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To be quite frank about it, video game piracy is very rampant on the Internet. This includes simple things such as hacks and mods to the blatant downloading of full retail copies over peer-to-peer websites.However, it seems that this will stop soon as the latest move from Codemasters indicate that it is not only targetting the operators of such websites but its costumers as well.
Accordingly, the company has acquired the services of law firm Davenport Lyons to do the legal battle for them. The reports added that the first casualties of this move are going to be BT and PlusNet subscribers.
It was also mentioned that Codemasters' lawyers have already obtained a court order under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act for ISPs to hand over an unknown number of customer details.
On the other hand, there have been some complaints about this recent development. Several Internet users are now complaining that they have received an email from Codemasters even though they didn't download anything. Here's part of a consumer's complaint:
I have received a letter saying I have downloaded a file called Colin McRae Dirt for the Xbox 360 and they want me to pay 511 GBP (US$ 1,036.76) to them. Having checked my computer to my knowledge, I have not downloaded any such file and do not have it on my computer.
They sent me five letters all about the same game but with different IP addresses and different times. I'm not sure what to do they want a response in 14 days and they want me to sign saying I did it and won't do it again.
Both Codemasters and the lawyers of Davenport Lyons were unable to comment on the matter.
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What about us poor kids who cant get jobs, spend all our money on the console and get two games each year (birthday and christmas). We miss out on so many games without piracy. Once i get a job i'll stop but we need games.
Piracy is always going to exist.....
Not even codemasters can stop it....
but now something else peerguardian can hopefully help protect us from......
"However, it seems that this will stop soon"
HAHAHHAHAHA, Oh you wacky QJ writers. Crack me up every time.
The RIAA cant stop music piracy, The MPAA cant stop Movie piracy. Many have tried whilst making bold claims such as this. The end result is nothing, A lot of muscle flexing and big words with no result.
I appreciate the scare tactics but anybody with a brain knows this is all wishful thinking.
Yeah, CodeMasters made a big wrong move here. Now, PG2 will be updated with every company IP they use.. Which will hurt their business in the long run. It sucks for people who didn't really download things but get stuck with the bill because of the dynamic IP addresses their ISP hands out. Well, if it comes down to it, we can all start using a $10-15/mo VPN for our illegals. =D
hahahahaha
yeah, you're right, because you don't have money it's okay for you to download games
since I don't have money, it's okay for me to hack my bank account and add money that's not really there
If you can do that hacking without getting caught, why not ?
God knows I would
This is great news. If I was a developer I would of done the same thing a long time ago. There is no way to justify piracy and I don't feel bad for the guys that get busted in the least bit.
I recieved a letter about the same crap but has been a while over dub edition for xbox some racing game i think
lol either case
never did download it told them to kiss my butt nothing ever became of it
had my ip blah blah blah some file name linked to a BT site that I never downloaded from but they said I did
shrugs
I'm afraid if you can't afford something you simply can't have it. And you don't NEED games. Piracy is the same as stealing, if you like a game, show the developers some respect and do the decent thing PAY FOR IT
I'll be really pleased if you get sued and imprisoned you worthless piece of *****!
We make Crappy games and no one wants to buy them.
Codemaster's Finacial Guru: I know we can still make a profit, we just have to spend alot of tax refundable capital on piracy (LOL) then claim that as a business expense!!
Make good games and people will Pay for them, and not just dload and say THIS SUCKS! Good thing I saved money by not beta testing this crap
"Codemasters genius at play" my ass codemasters suck they make no good games besides worms which btw is startin to get borin, they r just pulling this stunt to get free publicty they cannot take it that thier company sucks so they blame it on piracy and if what they r doing is true checkin peoples IP adresses aint dat illegal??? bah hope they send the letter 2 someone and the person sues this *****ty company and wins the case that will show them!
Like SONY with the "OFW that is going to be UN Hackable" lol
Yeah Piracy is allways giong to exist I mean MG and RS, The can't just delete those files because that Person is paying for that space and its legal , so Piracy is always been there so is just that they were going to stop a little some webs, thats all, some peer to peer ones, theres like thousands and thousands of Piracy Websites so WTF! Codemaster is going to Be the Maximum empire and hack all Websites and delete all of its contents! lol Well don't worry keep doing what u do guys!!
see, i do, but just for a little bit, to get a feel for the game, see if i want to buy it, cause afterwards i just delete it, even all the sites say delete in 24 hour period!anyways, my analog stick is broke and its not like i could play the video games if i want to.....btw...what sites and people are getting shut down and sued!?
Please, proof read what you type. The above sentence made no sense. (Yes, it's pretty much one sentence.) Also, they never said they would start "hacking and delete those files", just they they would sue the people who did it. Am I the only one who can't understand 3/4 of that?
I totaly agree with you. No doubt. Here is the thing though I prate but for good I like a game I go buy it if I don't I delet it. Simple. Don't pay for what you don't want. For example i downloaded bioshock hated it deleted it. Downloaded Graw 2 a while ago loved it and bought it.
just about everyone has the internet today. there are about 7 billion people in the world and a good portion of them will download something illegally at some point or another. they cant stop everyone because they have to provide the prosecution attorney to try every person. the legal fees would bankrupt them and not equal out to the return. this is only hurting them and is mostly a scare tactic. download what you want, unless you've stolen terabytes or material then you aren't in too much danger. also, who the hell are they?
"The reports added that the first casualties of this move are going to be BT and PlusNet subscribers."
Newsflash, Codemasters. Rapidshare is the new bittorrent network, and it's fast as *****. Heh.
- U
i would never buy a psp game! lol! they suck too bad to pay for them, sept loco roco, bravestory and logans shadow, and all the movies.
seriously one-click hosting sites like Rapidshare and Megaupload are used for piracy just like P2P and even more. And they can't do **** about it.
Just like with the big Napster suit, and a bunch of greedy corporations (yes greedy, video games and movies are *BOOMING* in sales, higher than any year before) wanting the US gov to make criminals out of 5 million otherwise law abiding citizens. Luckily, the Supreme Court told them to get over themselves.
There're so many idi+ts like you who don’t even know the following knowledge; read the following to fill up your brain with facts.
Unlike console specific games, PC games always run badly (poorly, performance-wise) because PC games have to be compatible with hundreds of different PC specifications; but consoles games are optimized for one platform (because the developers are only making the game for one hardware, they can get the most out of the said console).
- PC with Windows operating systems: 60% of all system power (CPU, vid card, RAM, etc) are always used for the operating system and vital key components.
- Console: Almost all power is only used to run the game (so many mor+ns like you think a PC has better vid card (GPU power) than a console (PS3 or X360); no you d+mbf+ck, PC gaming is already dead; PS3’s vid card (RSX) is one year old, but still more powerful than currently the best PC vid card – nVidia GeForce 8K ultra (other versions are cheaper, ultra version is most expensive, and it’s $1,060 – tax inclusive), why? because GeForce 8K’s 60% of all power is always used for your OS (Windows); if you want to know exactly how powerful RSX is, it’s mentioned below.
Software! Software! Software!!!
When all those best, blockbuster, groundbreaking games are only made for consoles, there’s zero reason to waste away even $1 for PC in any regards. The best PC exclusive game is Garbagesis (Crysis).
I read a statistics months ago and it said about 99.5% of all PCs in the entire world are not suitable for 'power gaming' (only 0.002% of all PCs are considered as ‘cutting-edge gaming PCs’ which can run the newest PC games (for instance, Crysis) while maintaining both smooth frame rate and good graphics quality).
You must waste away several thousands of dollars if you want to build up (it means you buy parts separately) a ‘gaming PC’. Then you must waste thousands more bucks to upgrade parts annually!!! If you buy a console, let's say a PS3, this PS3 can last for 5+ years. Your PS3 even in 5 years can run all the newest and most demanding blockbuster games because of the reasons mentioned in this article.
In addition to that, a PS3 is only a few hundred dollars, but it includes groundbreaking technologies like Blu-ray player (the future!!!), Cell processor, RSX vid card (this vid card is more powerful then two nVidia GeForce 6K cards combined; one GeForce 6K card was $500 when it was first released!!!).
Cell chip! The best CPU for a PC is 'Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 Quad-Core' at $1,320 (tax inclusive, if you disagree and say we can buy a Quad-Core CPU for $800, then you illiterate (read the number, 6850) are talking about weaker versions which are below QX6850; and I’m talking about the most expensive version called QX6850). PC gaming industry is totally loser, why? because PS3's Cell processor is 9.8 times more powerful than this said Quad-Core garbage. PS3's CPU is as powerful as ten Intel's QX6850 Quad-Core CPUs combined.
You should get into PC gaming before you knock it. We can tell that you're a fanbot, and that's nice and all, but it's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about. For the same price you paid for your PS3 I could build a gaming PC that would kill a PS3. Blu-ray is the future? I thought HD-DVD was killing it - there are 5 standalone HD-DVD players in customer homes worldwide for every 1 standalone Blu-Ray player. Too bad Sony didn't handle the PS3 as well as MS handled the 360, huh? Nobody wants to code for the cell processor because Sony provided no dev tools at all. It's wildly different that coding for any other system. The PS3 could have God's brain as a processor - too bad it only gets ported games from other systems and 1 or 2 above-decent games a year...
I hope those lawyers get a nice kick in their v a g i n a s.... Seriously, they've got to just leave the pirates alone! They're not hurting anyone, so they should just leave them alone! Oh noes! They make the billionaires lose like $1,000,000 a year! The true villians are the capitalistic pigdogs.
Anyhow, I hope they don't attack megaupload or rapidshare...
Um, for reasons that are totally unrelated to piracy... Yeah...
I guess these guys need to flaunt there big egos thinking they can achieve the unattainable. I mean piracy will continue hell look at those bootleg movies thats the same thing yet that hasn't been stop yet, neither has the black market so there just talking out of their A$$.
Although, there's one system that never got pirated: the CDi. It was quite a popular system, and the games were really awesome, yet nobody found a way to pirate them.
Oh, wait... I got that mixed up... Piracy was freakin easy, it's just that the games were so horrible, no one bothered
Anyhow, what about the PSP? Have they found a way to run homebrew on that? If so, are there any websites that I can go to get info? I heard about a site called PSPUPDATES... Is that a good site to check out? If so, what's the exact address? I typed in pspudates.com, and nothing happened? Please help.
(joke)
What does that post have to do with the terrorism story? (i.e. the codemasters terrorist brigade)
I'm going to have to agree with Aox...etc. on this one. I've read those same specs on numerous sites. And if we take a step back Neuro we can remember that a year after launch Micro$oft was still trying to straighten out massive hardware issues with their Xbox 1.5 (360). I worked at gamestop and not a day went by in which i wouldn't get any less then 4 returns because of the infamous red ring or systems that scratch CDs. However, a year after the ps3's launch i can safely say that i receive very few returns of defective systems. (probably because of SONY's selfless warranty policies; you would think they're a charity cooperation). And yea, you do have a point Neuro, games are scarce for the PS3, but the system itself is relatively young. (and even at this early stage, the powerhouse that is PS3 blows away the competition). Developers are also getting alot more comfortable with the dev tools, meaning 2nd generation games are going to push the limits, not to mention the 4 years left of average life span for the system. And i can attest to the horrendous amount of money a gaming pc can consume, especially with games demanding more and more on every release. All-in-all it is way more economical to go with a console then a PC (PS3 in particular, and i'm pleased by the wii too).
And about the piracy thing, Can they just get off our 8++++>~
Oh and one other thing,
Blu-ray IS leading right now worldwide (MS suffers heavily outside the united states). Yea there's a 5-1 HD-DVD to Blu-Ray ratio of "STANDALONE" players. But you're missing one huge detail, THE PS3. Consumer's would rather buy a ps3 any day over a standalone which can cost over twice as much and do half the stuff a ps3 can do. And if you haven't noticed, reports of blockbuster and other stores are coming in saying that they are dropping the HD-DVD format for the Blu-ray because of higher sales of blu-ray. You would be surprised at how intelligently and clever SONY handled the ps3, you think its just coincidence that their own standalone blu-ray players are so much more expensive than the ps3. It's an obvious marketing gimmick, to get a larger install base ofcourse. And with their recent price drops (and more to come as analyst say) PS3 is quickly doing what it's former brethren did during their reign.
why havent the companies gotten together with their software and hardware engineers to provide3 a real solution, now i know ANY system CAN and WILL be cracked, however the trick isa to make it financially adverse to the consumer, a small example is the ps3 right now, if/when it does get crakced the game images are massive, you need a blu ray burner and discs... thats a lot fo money folks, that will keep a lot of ppl off the piracy bandwagon for a time, however piracy in the capitolistic sense is a good thing not morally but economically, leave morals out of this whole debate no matter what side ur on, its money, no one is truly moral when sums of money come into play...anywaysin this way it drives the market to provide a better protection, which utilizes or develops other industries/fields, so while the game company doesnt make a dollar and spends a little more on it to protect it, the software engineer makes more money, so the pirate actually provides an indirect source of income??? Just a weird consideration....nothing is so black and white or for those econ heads so black and red....just think about these things without an opinion at first and analyze whats re4ally going on, and form your opinion from there i guess or reconsider it, either way it still comes down somewhat to this "if u want to make money protect your product, dont attack the consumer market, fear is a lousy motivator"
I love how you talk to everyone in a condescending way, like you're some kind of genius, when your idiocy is plain throughout your entire post.
Was it a joke by any chance? If it was, congratz, it was HILARIOUS. If it wasn't, I pity you.
To QJ, what is with all the spelling errors in this article? Threats? Costumers? Proof-read and use spell-check next time Ryan A.
if the said person did not really download colin mcrae and he proves it, i smell counter lawsuit versus codemaster and its lawyers for mail harassment.
and all the people that also receive such mails and come out clean can also demand codemasters for damage money etc.
Bungie'3 Halo 3 was available at numerous torrent sites long before the official release. However MS ability to see if people are running copies or using hacked consoles meant that the number of people that actually d'ld the files was very very low.
One Ahole stated that its only a crime if your caught??? all i can say is get a life.
or should i say I will come rob your appartment when your out for a beer, its cool , this is not a crime because i can get away with it?
whatever, the real unfortunate thing about the whole issue is that there are some very good torrent sites and many offer an avenue to Film music and opinion that is often banned by our local authorities. That these sites have people posting items that others feel is damaging their potential earnings is a problem but not one that can be stopped with lawsuits. The lawsuits force many sites to close down. This is for me offensive as many sites offer a freedom of voice opinion and material that others governments often try to negate.
When this happens all that is left is a governmental grey soup of BS and sites that are genuinely offensive and should be closed down.
When the future will be pay per play I can only assume that those that are trying to stop the inevitable are just damaging the future possibilites.
I feel that these companies should embrace the technology and work with it to find a suitable manner in which to protect their intellectual rights rather than just lash out and bash at the systems that if used well would be to their benefit.
I purchased Halflife a few years ago and once installed had to visit the website. I typed in my serial number and received via e-mail the code to activate my game. It worked perfectly and the system was secure. I had my game, developers got their money.
Codemasters, go get some internet savvy people in your employee ranks rather than just developers and shareholders that cry that their ROI is not as high as expected.
open utorrent start downing a file
goto the peer window
you can see all the IP addresses you are getting the file off
its there property and so they do have the right to enquire where the download is coming from and going to
and this is all they'de do
download their own file and see who's seeding
write down the IP's and start enquiries
I believe there's ONE way for the pig dogs to win the piracy war:
Make a game console that uses completely propriety optical media! And, allow no use of memory sticks, besides the internal ones, and they should only support at most 16 MB (with ZIP compression, 16 MB is more than enough). Or, if they'll be external, then they'd better be proprietry (i.e. a VMU or something like the PS1-2's weird propriety memory cards). Also, no USB ports... They're an open invitation to piracy!!! Note that the PSP would have been hack proof... IF it didn't have it's weak link: the universal memory stick pro duo...
Likewise, if all the directions above are followed, it'll be impossible to do piracy, or at least impossible for the average user. For example: the game cube was a prime candidate for being hack proof... BUT, they used a regular DVD drive... so pirates immediate took advantage of that fact and h4xxed it. Also, do not tell me "What about the nintendo DS? It uses nothing you mentioned above, but it still got hacked!"
Exactly... that's why I said that it should only use OPTICAL media. Good luck inserting an ISO filled memory stick onto the optical media...
As far as I know, the only way that you can beat such a system is by making a "freeloader" or "swapmagic" type system. Of course, even this is hard to do, since if they're using propriety optical media, good luck finding a suitable burner to make it....
So yeah, kind of like the blue ray post above mine... since people don't have bluray, they can't make pirated games (although, as time has showed us before, the first cracks will involve people releasing ripped copies that will fit on DVD-DL, which CAN be read on the PS3; just as the "uncrackable" DC was cracked because it was able to read CD-Rs...
Oh yeah, and in addition, there will have to be an un-universal connector to which you'll have to connect a propriety router... That way, none of that "streaming over wifi" crap that some people will try to pull.
So, provided that
a. the system uses unique optical media (like the sony "universal" media drive)
b. Does NOT allow for any outside connections (no USB/Firewire)
c. Does NOT use universal media for input (memory sticks, or in XBOX's case, USB flash drives)
d. Has some kind of anti swapping mechanism (such as forcing the console off... AND ERASING ANY SYSTEM RAM... upon the drive being opened)
e. If it shares any optical drive abilities (such as playing blu ray or DVD movies), then they must have a ROM chip that allows it to function only while the console is in a crippled "DVD only" state, where the graphics card is not enabled completely, thus removing any chances of people trying to use the DVD portion of the console to play pirated games. Basically, if Sony didn't do this, expect the first pirated games to be RIPPED ISOS that run off of DVD-DL media!
f. a strict online system, which will not allow any "weird" data to flow to the console. If it doesn't seem like signed (?encrypted?) data streaming from a legitimate online session, then the console will reject it. Thus, people can't use the Phantasy Star streaming method that they used on the Game Cube.
Thus, even with internal modchips installed, unless the modchip somehow miraculously allows games to run off of the internal harddrive (...how are you going to put games in that harddrive anyhow, considering how there's no interface for you to connect your PC or any custom media to it?), the system will be pretty much hack proof. Of course, there's only one way to do it: if the modchip has like 10 GB of onboard storage, then it can inject some code to force the console to run the game... but come on... who's gonna open/close their video game system each time they want to play a different game?....
Of course, if you can find a way to hack this system, please, do tell me. As far as I know, this procedure, while adding an extra $20 to each system, will make it very hack proof.
Let's just hope that none of the companies are reading this. If the
lol, qj cut me off...
..."If they are, then hey! You guys better pay me whatever you pay your antipiracy CEOs!!!"
Here's an example I came up with...
Imagine this scenario:
You are in a poor village. Your neighbor has a well, and at night he burns a nice warm fire in front of his house. No one else can afford fire, but only he has it, and he sells it for outrageous prices...
Anyhow, one day, you're really thirsty. You have a little bit of money, and consider buying a bottle of water from the local merchant. However, you realize that you can get the water for cheaper, if you just steal it from the neighbor. In addition to that, you go and get some more, and share it with your livestock and your friends. Is this theft? Heck ya! Because
a. you were going to spend money on it, but decided not to, just to save some money. (likewise, if you KNOW you needed some software, and you pirate just to save money, that's theft)
b. the neighbor has lost a portion of his water! he has incurred an actual loss!
Likewise, this is the same thing as going to a store, and stealing a CD or a DVD physically.
Now, later that night, it gets really, really cold. You have a blanket, and it's ok. You notice the neighbor is being a capitalistic pig dog, and is offering to sell rights to allowing you to sit by the fire. However, you aren't entitled to take any of the fire to your house (via lanterns, for example) because he says that's "piracy", since he made the fire, and he has all rights to it. You decide that this is stupid. He has unlimited fire, and he doesn't lose anything if you steal it, since it's not something you were going to buy anyway (like the water from earlier). So, you sneak out, sit by the fire when he's not looking, and grab a stick from your house, and light your own fireplace. You then share this fire with all your friends.
Is this theft? The capitalistic pig dog neighbor would say "Yes, because you stole my fire. I made the fire, so you owe me money", while the pirates would say "Hey, wait a minute! You lost nothing! You've still got an unlimited amount of fire right there! I wasn't going to buy the stuff to begin with, so it's not like you're losing any money!"
I tend to side with the fire side of the story: the pig dogs lose no money when software is being pirated. However, if you were going to buy a game, BUY IT! Example: the only game I think is good is Brawl. Thus, I'll probably buy it. All the other games... I wasn't planning on buying them, so while my sporadic piracy allows me to get a "profit", at the same time, the companies aren't going to lose anything, since either way I wasn't going to buy it.
piracy is wrong and it can cause a slight loss in profit. but it isn't closing down companies. i usually don't pirate materials i can buy in my own country. movies games music. why would i want to screw over my own economy any further. the only American things i ever pirated where photoshop, because im definitely not going to pay $400 for a program no matter how cool it is and portal because the idea is so awesome and its pretty short anyway.
most of what i regularly pirate are Japanese games that importers usually double the price on. licensing laws from japan don't work here and i cant buy it for a fair price so internet is my option.
sure its wrong but if you take the well example:
-make the well a fresh water ocean
-and make the village a large fraction of the world.
you cant keep track of and punish all of them and it only hurts your already "suffering" profits. pirating is as old as time, you cant stop it.
Speaking of condescending...
I nominate the Payka's comment for comment of the week.
Well, what I was trying to say is that "intellectual rights" seems kinda stupid to me. If you steal a physical CD, I think that's wrong: they paid to make the CD, so if you steal one, that's one less CD available for them to sell... Just like the well that'll eventually get empty if enough theft occurs.
BUT, if you steal the actual code, of which they have an unlimited supply of, (like the fire), then screw it, it's not really theft or if it is, it's not immoral.
i've yet to see a major game company go down due to the use of pirated software. these companies just love money more than anything. codemasters will eventual stop what there doing and realize its for a lost cost.
I pirate because my UMD tray is knackered, and I don't fancy buying another PSP just for that reason. If Sony offered a download system for games, or games on mem sticks, then I'd gladly pay for the ones I like. I'd still pirate, but as a post above me said, just for testing reasons.
Get a proxy, simple.
Not to mention my IP doesn't point directly to me, it points to my ISP who would then have to release my information to them, which he won't due to the lack of a contract.
On another note, if you think piracy is bad, ITS NOT, because I wouldn't buy most of the games I download anyways. IF you think piracy accounts for the loss of funds for game companies, THINK AGAIN. Realize the fact that sale losses from piracy are sales that would most likely never happen. THINK: USED GAMES, THOSE are sales that would have been sales, but instead I wait a week for the price to drop 10$ instead of buying my own copy, then resell it for 10$ less is that NOT AS BAD as piracy? Please, change your flow of thinking.
SO TRUE LOLOLOL
Used games hurt more than piracy, but they can't do anything about that... Lol.
(Ex: 1 guy downloads game, would never buy the game in the first place.
Another guy downloads the game, then buy it because he likes it.
Another guy downloads the game illegally
Another guy downloads the game, but deletes it.)
Ex:2nd guy buys the game 60$
3rd guy buys the game for 50$ from the 2nd guy
4th guy buys the game for 40$ from the 3rd guy
ect.)
Clearly in this example they both loose sales in the same way, and have only provided 60$ back to the company.
people pirate games, because they cost too much. how much does a developer make??
i have read they make 9bucks an hour.
i have over 100 psp iso's and cso's... and allmost all of them suck. i support piracy, because MOST of the games duck donkeynutz, and they aren't worth 2 squirl farts. i cant wait to get a 360 mod chip. 60 bucks for a game? halo 3 SUCKED. i beat it in 1 day, and i didn't even play all night! games are overpriced, and untill they get reasonable, pirates (AND ME) will continue to rape them all day