Can we not leave religion out of ANYthing?! What a ridiculous bit of jibberish.



Of course, I am biased and feel that religion has no place whatsoever in todays society. Especially video games.



If you're having spiritual conflicts about whether or not what you're doing in video games is wrong, have your head examined.



People take this religious thing way to seriously. It's about time to take it with a grain of salt or, even better, not acknowledge it at all.

it must be true then.



Who cares how some guy interprets an omnipotent omniscient beings "will"?



Who gives a *****, really?

I'm not much of a religious guy, but what are you talking about?



Religion has always been a part of video games, and in some ways makes games even better.



Don't you remember going to a chapel in order to heal your characters? Also, most games revolve around some sort of religion. Be it a fictional religion or not.



A few people do take religion too seriously. However, society would crumble without some form of religion, so those crazy bastards are necessary.

Its the cause of WWII and many other wars out their. They use fear to manipulate humanity onto believing that they have to do something in order to be rewarded. We as human are very retarded to fear beings that we don't know for facts exists. Nowadays money is power.



Everyone has the desire to kill but we fear death instead because we are unsure of what comes afterwards and video games show what we are capable of doing without the fear. No matter what we do everything is a sin now.

Video games need religion as a theme and not have any type of real life beliefs.



Im more of an Idealist which people should be. At least this way no one commits suicide when or if they find out that their is no God

rofl...



I can't belive this question was held up against God's will.... Video Games are a lifestyle choice so what poeple choose to do with them, in them or how much time they spend on them is completly up to that person and surely not a question of God....



You could put the same question to many different types of religion, like muslim terrorist's who bomb people.... would they get the 72 virgins they'd been promised if they nuked a tower block in Mercs 2...? No, simple as that... so if your a muslim extremist and looking for an easy way out, Mercs 2 won't cut it I'm afraid... Looks like you'll have to do it for real...

{In no way am I trying to influence a person to do this}



The bottom line is, if your a religous person & think V/G's cause friction upon your beliefs don't play them, or atleast the ones that are against them.

I come to this site for updates on the PSP, not someone's religious opinion.



This article does not belong here.

I think its arrogant and pretentious to say that YOUR religion is the correct one and everyone elses religion is wrong. Believing in religion in the first place encourages you to look down on everyone that doesn't believe the same as you.



I offer you this, we're all atheists, some of us just believe in one less religion than some of you do.

"I'm glad you're so open minded to the notion that some people believe in a higher being as defined by their religion(s)."



All notions of higher beings are psychological projections meant for the sole purpose of creating purpose for oneself. It's effectively a rationalizing away from the emptiness most people are mortally afraid of.



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Dude, whatever religion you are from. YOu are like an ambassador of that religion when your posting here and I'm 100% sure wether your Christian/Jew/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist, etc. It doesn't teach violence. I mean seriously! Btw, I'm sure, that respect for other religions is also in your religion so please stop this nonsens'ical' bullcrap!



I'm Muslim if I'll say something bad, I'll be judged extra JUST BECAUSE I'm Muslim. WHat I don't understand, is why people have such a big thing against Muslims, I haven't killed your brother. I haven't killed your sister. I haven't commited suicide trying to kill other people. I'm Muslim. I'm the only one saying you guys shouldn't fight over religions, in return I'm sure I'll get like 5/6 racist replies. All because, I'm saying something I know 100%.



What was thought in Christianity, Jewdaism was also thought in Islam. What that preist said. According to Islam, is totally correct, wasting time is also a GREAT sin stresses my teacher(normall y). Because it is being wasted, you can achieve something out of it. Your not suppose to be tooooooooo distracted by Worldly Affairs as well. Which I agree with. Killing someone even in game could be a sin, because of the intention. I was really suprised that this priest says something sooooooo familiar to me unbelievable...



BUT, There is one difference. Whether it is a sin or NOT, God decides whether it one or he forgives you. That is upto God. In Islam. But, still I agree with this guy alott.... cool man...



Yeh, Hinduism, has even prophecised Prophet Muhammad(s), just so you know it

So has Jewdaism and Christianity....

"religion has no place whatsoever in todays society"



That does even make sense. So religion only belongs to uncivilized people?



People are society and people give life to religion. There is no way to separate the two.

I'm amazed by the lack of knowledge and wisdom concerning religion and God shown by most people that have commented here. So amazed that me thinks I will not come to QJ.net anymore. After all, I come to a VIDEO GAME website to read about VIDEO GAMES.

To be honest...addiction to video games is a sin of some sort.

But who to thank that i am a bit addicted, but still keep my head on the real world. I play video games most of the day yes, but i have Art School where i have friends, simple schools where we have a lot of fun rather load of homework.

And of course chickas!!! If a dude/girl rather spends time on watching gameplay video rather than chat with friend or go out or try to make a contact with girls(that might slowly evolve in G/B friend thing) then...well...you should go to a doctor. Oh well screw the church we still gonna be 6 feet under the ground in a couple of years.

I fail to see why QJ would be interested in the opinion of the church. Their views on this matter bear no meaning for the vast majority of non-religious gamers (including myself).

well "personally" ( notice i quoted which means my opinion)

I think it doesn't matter whether your a christian or whatever its up to you to decide what is right form wrong and what ways u should fallow, I do whatever is in my best interest ignorant you might say....sticking to one's religious ways is your personal business..if u tried listening to different religions you will see alot of things don't add up i guess that's just because alot of us see the world differently and if am not wrong i guess we can all agreed that we're not identical clones of one person..





oh i nearly forgot to comment on the actual post..hmmm well i don't think its wrong playing games with killing in it, without religion and just human nature i think if you do play a game just because you think its the guy down the road that stole your girlfriend that your killing then i think u need some serious mental or medical help or you just shouldn't be playing games like that..try sticking with pong

It burns when I pee. Is that because of sin or a flame war?

I find the ones who typically denounce religion are the ones who choose to live outside its teachings. They would have a difficult time playing 24 hours straight of WoW if they knew it was against their beliefs. So they choose to just not believe in it.



Some people find that their lifestyle already falls in line with teachings from one religion or the other, and they appreciate the brotherhood of being part of something good. With the exception of a few extreme examples, the generally "accepted" religions ALL have the basic core goals..... Love your neighbor, be kind to all, help others when you can, treat people as you want to be treated and so on.



It is no surprise to me that a bunch of kids on a gaming forum are announcing how cool they are by challenging God. Your parents were too busy working to care about you, and the day cares you grew up were not allowed to teach you about the nature of God. The school you were taught in was so scared to mention religion that they opposed its presence all together. This attitude has been ingrained in you from the start.



When you stepped out of line your parents could not give you the wooping you deserved because the child services would come take you away. So instead of them parenting you, you told them what to do. Somehow this makes you feel entitled to your own opinion, and that ALL your thoughts are correct according to you. So in the end. you can acknowledge this or not, but you ALL live some sort of religion on some level. Your God may not be the same as my God, but you do have one. Be it money, video games, cars, girls, beer, drugs........... Some of us only worship our God on sunday, then go home and worship the video games the rest of the week. That is what he is saying about time wasted. If you TRUELY believe that there is a higher power you also believe that spending time on a video game is NOT going get you any brownie points in heaven. You can still be a good person, but you will never aspire to be the person that the REAL God wants you to be.



For those who choose money, drugs, games, girls..... as their God. Well, I guess as long as you serve him well then maybe you will get a reward. That does not give you any more right to tell others that their God is useless though. And its offensive to those that are accepting of your position to sit there and challenge them or their beliefs. You have no right, even if your video game god does not punish you. Worship your god the way you want, and I will worship my God the way I want.



Bottom line, this guy in the article is right. Those that believe in the one TRUE GOD need to know that he does NOT appreciate you idling your day away. Those that worship other gods, wont find value in a religions teachings, and this article was certainly NOT for you. Go see what Sony or Nintendo are tell you to do instead.

Actually, gaming is an activity or pastime. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice! Hope I didn't fan the flames with that one! :)

Think for yourself.

you guys aren't reading this right. It's not about killing people or zombies or anything, it's about how you go about it. if you are pissed and go play gta4 to let some steam of and start destroying the place, THATS a sin.



And this isn't a radical question I think, it's pretty logical to me. hell every other religion would probably say video games period are a sin so quit being so technical.



And last of all, don't act like you know everything compared to a person who has probably spent most their life studying Christianity. You can have your own believes, but this is for an answer from a person in this field.

Really? Is this what QJ (PSPUPDATES) has come to these days? Posting stories about religion in video games because they lack something called "journalistic integrity".

Hey whats next QJ staff, national inquirer news snippets too?

I don't mean any disrespect to anyone with or with out religious beliefs/views/upbringing, I understand that's a personal thing.

Which is why I cant understand why a website that prides it self so much on being on the cutting edge of the home brew scene would knowingly want to piss off the people that support it, us, the sites visitors.

Hold the religion, stick to the gaming, period.

and here in lies the problem. For some reason people think that every religions god is different!!



God is God. you can call him Ala, Master, Jehova, Jesus, Budha, God, Heavenly Father...... whatever. He is still the same person. Just the same as I am "daddy" to my kids, and "Stinky" to you guys. I am still the same person. I am just called different names.



So, if you go to St peters catholic church they worship God, if you go to baptist church they also worship god, if you are a jehova witness you worship God, you just call him Jehova. Even the budhist monks worship God, they just call him Budha.



If you want to go join a satanic cult, and worship him, then we are talking about someone different. But that gets back into worshiping things OTHER THAN God.



Truth or not truth, if you worship a higher power your going to live a more fulfilled life than the guy worshiping beer. Because as happy as you think you are during happy hour, your followed up with great sorrow while your hung over.



And my horse is not so high, its that you live a life that aspires you to be nothing more than existing. With no hopes or dreams of eternal nature. you live for today. Your jealous because I can have faith that one day there is something more out there for all of us. And it is easier for you to attack me, lash out at me or just try to cut me down to YOUR level, than it is to accept that I believe in something greater. Because if you accepted that, you would have to admit that you could (MUST) do better, try harder and just BE better. Since man is lazy by nature, it is easy to take the lazy way out. If there is no God, then there is no purpose. And that justifies you to NOT achieve anything. If you are happy doing that, then be happy. I am happy doing what I am doing. So, please spare your comments about my standard of living, and my goals, and dreams. its not your place to judge my standards, just as its not my place to knock the path you choice.



We are brought together by our love of video games. We are obviously divided by our different beliefs.



And before anyone suggests it....... I spend maybe 4 hours a week playing video games. And when I do it is usually with my children. which is why I bought the wii in the first place.

Look at these threads:



http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=15531



http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=15501



http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=14785



Yes they changed my username FearEvil19 to Fearful Fool (they do that to people who don't agree with everything they say)

sin is sin. People who accept Gods laws understand that his laws are for everyone. People who choose not to acknowledge god in their life are not living sinless, they are just ignorant to what is expected.



Because of this reason, people who do NOT understand Gods laws, and break them from not knowing can not be judged by the same level of strictness as those who do comprehend them, and choose to live by them. In the end, the man that lives his life as an atheist will NOT be punished for the sins he committed while not knowing them. But he will be eternally hindered for his lack of diligence to seek out God in this life.



The man who understands God, and his laws and tries his best to live by them, although he may not acheive 100% perfect faith will be that much farther ahead in the life to come.



you may not believe in life after death. And if thats your story, then stick to it. Sounds awfully lonely and pointless to me. I am not sure how you could continue to exist with that thought in your head. Since your too lazy to aspire to anything, why not kill yourself now and spare yourself the labor?? I mean, why work for anything? If its all for nothing in the end anyway?

"Remember what I said about how its easier for you to try to cut me down to your level then for you to rise up to mine?"



Your level is inherently below mine because yours is contrary to rationality.



"If you think you think God is not the same God that others call Alah, then fine."



Your comprehension of the tens of thousands of religions on this planet is shockingly limited if you think even the *CONCEPT* of God is universal.



"Just because you fail to acknowledge him does not mean he doesnt exist."



Just because you acknowledge him does not mean he DOES exist.



"It just means he has one less child to worry about."



If I have to abandon my rational mind to believe what you do, good riddance.

"sin is sin. People who accept Gods laws understand that his laws are for everyone. People who choose not to acknowledge god in their life are not living sinless, they are just ignorant to what is expected."



"Sin is sin" is delightfully ignorant of the fact that, as I said, sin is not a universal concept. Nor is there universal agreement over what is and is not sin. Nor is there even agreement about what sin is, exactly.





"Because of this reason, people who do NOT understand Gods laws, and break them from not knowing can not be judged by the same level of strictness as those who do comprehend them, and choose to live by them. In the end, the man that lives his life as an atheist will NOT be punished for the sins he committed while not knowing them. But he will be eternally hindered for his lack of diligence to seek out God in this life.



The man who understands God, and his laws and tries his best to live by them, although he may not acheive 100% perfect faith will be that much farther ahead in the life to come."



No rational reason to believe anything you just said. It's all gibberish unless you're predisposed to your particular belief system.



"you may not believe in life after death. And if thats your story, then stick to it. Sounds awfully lonely and pointless to me. I am not sure how you could continue to exist with that thought in your head. Since your too lazy to aspire to anything, why not kill yourself now and spare yourself the labor?? I mean, why work for anything? If its all for nothing in the end anyway?"



I live to enjoy my life and to make the lives of others enjoyable. There's nothing lonely or pointless about it. I'm perfectly satisfied with the thought of my existence ending at my death. I'm not so arrogant and self-important as to believe that I absolutely HAVE to keep existing after I die.



Your statement about me being too lazy to aspire to anything is laughable :) So many believers aspire to nothing more than to follow in the same time-worn tracks as those who came before them. I make my own path.

"CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION"



Yes, it is.



"IT IS A RELATIONSHIP AND IT IS THE ONLY BELIEF THAT DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF."



The core concept of Christianity is inherently self-contradicting.



God made us with free will but also knew our future. Therefore, God knew mankind would choose to disobey Him.



So God sent Himself to earth as a sacrifice to Himself to forgive mankind for doing what He knew we'd do based on the way He made us and the choices He gave us.



Sounds like an insane God to me.



"If you clearly read the Bible, it has no contradictions. If you think it does, ask! Don't always assume. Get your facts straight."



The Bible is FILLED with contradictions, and the only way to resolve them is by REFUSING to accept it as literally true. Repeatedly saying it does not contradict itself does not change the fact that it does.



"And look at the facts, Christianity and the Bible are true."



The Bible says pi equals 3. It is not true. It is not infallible. It is not God's word. It is the work of mankind. It has been edited, added to, removed from, mistranslated, chopped up, and voted on.

They're dead serious

He wanted to know what the church thought. He didn't say he wanted the church to think for him.

Hum... The only way that all these "Gods" are alike is the fact that each of them depict a being that is above of all.



Otherwise, not all Gods are the same. Belief structures are completly different.



That's like saying every human being is the same. That's just false. We're all human beings yes, but we all look different, act different and have different beliefs.



One God says to love, another God says to kill. How the hell are they the same?



Some believe in MULTIPLE Gods, so where are you matching those up?

OHHHH!!!! DUDE I totally got messed up!!! Sorry FreePlay and Stinky MY BAD! :) I got you guys mixed up! LOL

"Freeplay, one day you may know truth. Until then ignorance is bliss. Your comments are actually laughable."



I was raised in a Christian home. I was a born-again Christian. Then I started THINKING and learning about the history of Christianity and the Bible.



I take it you have nothing to say in response to the points I made?

Ok who is the Christian? Stinky or FreePlay?



Red

Go through the list and prove them wrong, WITHOUT interpreting the Bible.



If you interpret it, that means it cannot be LITERALLY true, because it only BECOMES true when you apply your UNDERSTANDING of it. It becomes SUBJECTIVELY true, and therefore not OBJECTIVELY true and NOT the word of God.

FreePlay can I just get your e-mail and do it that way? It's gonna take forever, have you seen the website...and by the way i'm not trying ease my way out of disproving this guy wrong.

freeplay, I didnt see anything that needed a response. I thought redx06 was doing good enough now.



we could go back and forth all day. But when it comes down to it you can NOT prove that God does not exist. And although you have signs in your life every single day that he does, you chose to ignore them. So anything I can say will be tossed aside. Which in the end will not solve anything.



ISO, you must have skimmed over the part where I said if you worship Satan and call him god that we would be talking about 2 different things. There are people who claim to do certain things because of religion, but when you get to the core of it you would find they were an extremist group that has long since turned their backs on the true nature of their religion and got cought up in something else. Be it money, power, or women.....



The statement by freeplay about the bible is actually pretty accurate. The original bible was true in its day, the ones we have now have been adulterated to the point that there is certainly truth in there, but not all of it can be taken as such.



If a person really wants to know what is truth and what is fiction they only need to be humble and ask god himself. Some of us here may find that difficult since we would have to accept that he IS in fact there first. Until you get over that hurdle, you wont get far. Suffice to say, there are contradictions in the bible as we have it now. Not because it is NOT true! simply because man thinks they can write a better bible than the one who authored it.



Some people do beleive in many Gods, some people beleive that God, Jesus, and the holy ghost are the same people. Some people also believe that THEY themselves are a god of some sort. Others make Money their god. Many people can have many different levels of god. But in the end, There is but ONE god, and if you worship him and live your life to be with him, at the day of your judgement you will be welcomed in.



There will be MANY who choose to NOT follow god here, and will also opt to NOT choose God in the afterlife either. you will NOT suddenly become some exalted being just because you are dead. Your progression extends FAR beyond what we can comprehend here.



Now, on to my ignorance of religion. I am very well versed in Christian beliefs, but also spent a few years studying in Japan the religions of Buddhism and Shintoism. If you were as well educated in ANY religions as you try to pretend you are, you would know that there are plenty of parallels between the life of Jesus, and the life of Buddha. And also the law of moses in the bible and the traditions of Japanese people based solely on what was passed on through their ancestors.



If you want to talk about Arabic religions I will confess I know little.



Bottom line is, you feel like you have been "enlightened" now that you can "think for yourself". That does not mean your new sources of education are any more credible than the sunday school you claim to have grown up in. The ways of man are always going to be more enticing than the ways of god, simply because it takes effort to walk a religious path.



If you are happy in your sin then be happy in it. Do not try to justify yourself to me. It doesnt matter to me. I know who I am, and where I am going

Even if you're a girl?

"we could go back and forth all day. But when it comes down to it you can NOT prove that God does not exist."



Once you prove he exists, I'll get right on that.



"And although you have signs in your life every single day that he does, you chose to ignore them."



You only see them as signs of God because that's the way you've taught yourself to think. I don't see God anywhere in nature. I just see nature.

"If you were as well educated in ANY religions as you try to pretend you are, you would know that there are plenty of parallels between the life of Jesus, and the life of Buddha."



I'd LOVE to see you list some.



Ignoring, of course, the fact that their belief structures are entirely different.



Buddhism: Suffering is caused by excess in our wants. We achieve enlightenment by disconnecting from both the good and the bad of the world. It isn't our job to help anyone else. The existence of God is irrelevant. We are reborn over and over again until we achieve enlightenment.



Christianity: Suffering is caused because we disobey God. People can't achieve enlightenment. Our only hope is to submit ourselves to the will of God, whose existence is central. We must make it our job to help others. We live and die just once and don't get any second chances.

seriously I'm doing this on

My I touch so I really don't care but here is my e-mail. It's Christservant06 @yahoo.com. If u want me to keep going send me an e-mail

WELS was stating that if you kill someone in a game and take pleasure in it (excluding loot, exp, kill/death ratio, etc) like a psychopath might take pleasure from reading a gory lemon or something, then killing in a game could be considered a sin. It is my personal belief that if you can avoid an actual sin (premarital sex, eating beef, etc) with a false substitute (lol masturbation, tofu, etc) then it's all good. I suppose the debate of intent vs action will always rage on in the laws of man and god alike.



Good Christians like Stinky_1, please stop acting like a Mormon and telling people the wonders of God while only briefly mentioning the topic at hand.



FreePlay, your just being a troll, there's no way around it, so just stop.



People who groan about A.) religion starting every war (excluding politics, ambition, money, etc.) or B.) how religions claim their beliefs to be the one and only truth despite being one of many, consider that A.) communism is an atheist establishment that managed to whip up a death toll of 60-100 million lives in less than a century and B.) atheist claim to know the one and only truth as well.



Galduke, stop being a hypocrite by preaching a bunch of crap to people after only briefly mentioning the topic at hand... Damn it.

Dont get me wrong. I dont profess to be a "good" christian. I try hard to do what I beleive is right. I fall short a lot.



I already summarized the point of the story. The rest was purely for our friend Freeplays pure enjoyment.

Yep, it is a parody site. I disagree with their methods, but they only represent a small portion of people

I highly disapprove of QJ's methods to get more comments and traffic. It's apparent why they wrote this article...

the best work of fiction ever. it makes people believe there is a beast with a '666' on its forhead, that two towns were burned because they're homosexuals, that the WHOLE earth was flooded and only a handful of people survived, that a man can break off pillars, that the son of 'god' can return Lazarus back to life, and that the Red Sea can be split into two.



pure bull*****. no matter how you look at it, there isn't a point in time where only the Hebrews and the Canaanites or whoever they are can perform miracles. the bible is an anthology of different short stories connected by who-knows-who people that had not gone outside Egypt and Israel, and so they only used that area on their story.



i don't mind if anyone calls me stupid. if all people prayed to this 'god' and wished that poverty will end the next day, even if 6.1 billion prayed nothing will happen. if all those people donated, even just a dollar, then there will be change. that's all there is to it. don't wait for a 'god' to save the world because no one is coming to save our unfortunate brothers and sisters through prayers. we need to DO something to save them.

I was reading in to more of your blog or what have you....Okay my belief not religion, Christianity, is the true belief because I can back up everything that I say to the word of God. That man you gave me to look up the contradictions of the Bible is nonsense.

Listen I can't lead you to Christ, its you making a choice. My words or phrases can't do anything. Its by the Holy Spirit that you get saved.

There IS such a thing as sin. Where ever you came up with that one-liner came from the pits of Hell because Satan has you believing a lie. I'm not gonna pull any punches, I'm gonna tell you how it is, and your just gonna have to deal with that. Sin is sin, you know in your heart when you did a bad thing or sinned. If you go out and shoot someone you sinned you don't need me to tell you that, so that kinda really does prove sin exists.

Ok the whole Jesus thing that you said him not really declaring he is God is false. Jesus is God and he is the son of God.This really goes in to the whole trinity. Let me break it down easy for you....



Ok for an example...Water can have three forms right...A solid...A Liquid...and A gas. But no matter what it is still water. Same with God. Jesus the Holy Spirit and God are all one being (Water) They are three different parts that make up one whole.



Overall again You should believe in Jesus Christ, but I can't make you thats the Holy Spirit's job. But I challenge you, try Christianity and really submit your life to Christ. And read the Bible for yourself! Don't let some other guy tell you there are mistakes you read it and find out for yourself.

Where the hell is the contradiction?



If someone is trying to prove to me that the Bible is God's word, THEN they have to show me that the Bible can stand on its own.



I already know that it DOESN'T, and thus ISN'T the word of God.



Your reading comprehension fails.

So, you are trying to say that you believe that our current math, physics, chemistry, and all that are 100% accurate??!!!



if you wanna talk math then tell me how to divide by zero, or multiply by 0. I mean, we created the value of zero, so we must be able to use it.



Let me offer you this. We know that nothing is an absolute value, yet we do not know how to process it. Which is why when you divide by zero on a calculator it gives you an error. We have no idea what the answer is. If I have 20 apples, and I divide it by zero should I still have 20 apples? I mean, I didnt take any away. And I didnt share any. Or did I share some? Maybe I shared them with Zero people. So, do I still have 20 apples? According to our math if I have 20 apples and I increase the number of apples I have by a factor of 0, I am left with zero apples. How did that happen? Somewhere I LOST 20 apples by adding nothing to the pile!!!



My point you ask? Well, if we are so smart why cant we use the value zero in our math????



and if we cant use zero with math, how many other things has man come up with that just does not fit? The world was flat once. It wasnt until some idiot on a boat tried to commit suicide by floating off the end that he realized it wasnt flat after all.



Man believes what they want today, and there are some teachings that religion professes that science and math can NOT explain. Yet science and math are ALWAYS changing. And gods laws, and word has not. Man has changed Gods laws and words to fit what they thought made sense at the time. And now you are exploiting that fact to sound as though god cant exist because the bible says pi is equal to 3. At the time that the bible was condensed you dont think they changed that because they figured God made a mistake and so they put 3 in there instead???? How do you know for sure what pi is today? We think we know what it is. but thats only because we created the answer. And thats the anomoly in our system. Its the part that does not fit. Every other number eventually repeats itself. So, maybe we STILL dont have it right!



By your same token you can not put your trust in science either. Since what they said only a few years ago is NOT true today.



How many revisions has the big bang theory gone through anyway??? It seems every time they dig up new carbon dating, or new samples of something else they have to go back and change their whole "how the world was made" story.



Anyway, there is one thing missing from this whole conversation and with it not here you will never see anything I am saying as anything more than text. So, I must cut it off there.

As usual you have nothing but douche bag comments to make. Why is you can never give your opinion without trashing major groups of people? Seriously, did your dad rape you as a child or something? Does your ass still hurt today from it? What exactly is your problem?



So, to sum up your post:



1. Only uncivilized people believe in religion. Since you claimed by question was correct.



2. Only stupid people believe in religion.



I'd also like to point out that your ignorant comment about people not thinking for themselves is...well...ignorant. People ARE thinking for themselves when they choose what to believe in. Keyword there was choose. Think about it for a while, you'll eventually "get it".

you crazy diamonds.

The amount of energy spent on this post is amazing... the walls of text poured forth on here were simply not worth the effort.

"I told you if you want me to disprove him then e-mail me. Im willing to do it. But I'm also telling you that you should read it for yourself. "



It's not my job to disprove something nobody has ever proven.



It's not my job to disprove unicorns. It's not my job to disprove dragons. It's not my job to disprove fairies. It's not my job to disprove aliens. It's not my job to disprove ANYTHING.



Nobody has EVER proven God, so it's NOBODY'S job to disprove him.



Prove him first.

"Man believes what they want today, and there are some teachings that religion professes that science and math can NOT explain."



Such as? Anything that can be backed up by rational thinking and empirical evidence?



"Yet science and math are ALWAYS changing."



Yes. When something is shown to be WRONG, the RIGHT ANSWER fills in its place. That's called IMPROVEMENT.



"And gods laws, and word has not."



Do your research, kiddo. Morality and the Bible have constantly been in flux.



"Man has changed Gods laws and words to fit what they thought made sense at the time. And now you are exploiting that fact to sound as though god cant exist because the bible says pi is equal to 3."



So you're telling me that the Bible has ALWAYS been wrong about pi?



"At the time that the bible was condensed you dont think they changed that because they figured God made a mistake and so they put 3 in there instead????"



It's like this in the original Greek and Hebrew. They didn't change it.



"How do you know for sure what pi is today? We think we know what it is. but thats only because we created the answer."



We didn't create the answer, moron! Pi is the ratio of the diameter of a circle to its circumference. It's a basic LAW OF NATURE. It's not a human invention any more than any other number. Numbers just EXIST. We didn't MAKE them.



"And thats the anomoly in our system. Its the part that does not fit. Every other number eventually repeats itself. So, maybe we STILL dont have it right!"



Are you *****ING with me?! You're talking gibberish.

we created the way that we process numbers. They may have always existed, but the method used to make use of the numbers was entirely mans....



Now, on to the science point which you are failing to acknowledge.



Science today tells me that everything it knows is fact. 100% truth. Yet, in 5 years from know current "truths" will be changed to meet the new knowledge that they learn then. Since I can NOT see into the future to tell you what principles of science are wrong now, I will use the past instead.



the world is flat. in the third century everyone KNEW that the world was flat. And that if one were to go far enough they would in fact go to the end of the earth. Some time in the 4th century people started to challenge that idea. At the time it was still fact. there were people such as freeplays grandfather there who professed that the day the earth was round was the day he would die! He clung onto his facts because it was generally accepted as correct. Eventually Chris columbus came along, he sailed away into the sunset and proved that the earth was in fact round. At that point freeplay sr was eating his words, and the new truth that the earth was in fact round was destributed across the land.



now, you ready for the kicker.... is the earth really round?? Well, not really. its a bit more oval than a complete sphere. So, generally it is rounder than a flat earth, but it is not actually round either.



For this reason I am unable to accept that ANY scientist actually knows anything to be truth 100%. how can you blindly accept something as truth only based on thier observations? Yes, you can have a pretty good idea that it works a certain way, but you can NOT be for sure for sure that its the truth for now until the end of time. Its only true for NOW. because it can and probably will change in the future.



This is where God and religion differ from science. The true CORE of religion has NOT changed, and Gods laws have not changed.



So, back to my point about pi. And I am sure I said this already. You PROVE to me right now how it is that the value for pi is actually correct 100% Show me how it is that it is equal for certain to 3.14159....



The problem is that we acheive pi by using the circumfrence of a circle and take that ratio to its diameter. But again, now we are obtaining that number by using math that we created. 99.9999% of the time so far our math has held true, so scientists and mathematicians generally accept that its close enough to get most things done. But anomalies in the system only prove that we do in fact have errors in our processing means. in fact the very existance of pi shows that we do NOT know everything. People have dedicated their entire lives to pi, trying to unlock the mystery. Why would they do that if we already accepted that we know for sure what it is?



So for you to say the bible is wrong because it says pi is equal to 3, and you say it is 3.14....... who is right? And how can YOU prove that you are right?? You cant, you can only say that its generally accepted that it is 3.14. But the world was generally accepted to be flat back in the day too.



Bottom line, you fail to acknowledge this because if you do your whole arguments fails. So, to summarize



freeplay equals teh fail!!

Probably beating a dead horse here, but what the hell...



Stinky_1, I am certainly older than you and have the benefit(?) of both a high level of religious exposure and better than average educational level of the sciences.



Where I see that your arguments follow a linear thought pattern, juxtaposing the "rules and regulations" of a deity against something that is a bit more tangible isn't helping your issue.



Biblically speaking, there have been many times that the bible described situations where 'god' cast a miracle to get his followers to listen up.



Times were certainly different then, but not nearly on the global scale that we have today. Keeping that in mind, wouldn't a miracle today be of REALLY great importance?



Why in a world's 'true' sense of need would you not 'see' one of his epic miracles today. If there were ever a time to get everybody back on the strait and narrow, "now" would be a great time.



In the realm of science, there are still tangible things that are used to quantify what is going on. You spoke of apples a little earlier... You had 20 of them... Is not the "pure" existence of the apples somehow hidden?



Your logic is dead on about division by zero. But the fact that the apples are still there still proves that any computations either side of zero still manage to work.



The only true hard fact to this whole thing is that man (by yours and FreePlay's loose definition) invented science. Very true, no more to debate. But, the bible is also the work of man. Like science, not just one man either.



Yet, when 2 men of science debate over a theory (and they start off by calling it just that) they use every 'tangible' sources that they can to prove their point (including replicating the circumstances in which the theory tested out). But when theologians (you may want to take notice of the word) come to a heated debate, both still rely on basically a word of mouth publication that hasn't been updated for several hundred years.



Was it you that also said that it has been re-worded and re-interpreted several times? Science will simply not put up with that.



And as a parting gift... I went to church all the time. Name the religion I have been to it (except Hindu Buddhism) and for what is supposed to be acceptance and understanding turns out to be a pit of angst with people looking at you like you're dirt because you don't drive a Cadillac. That's not religion to me.



From a historical stance, since the 1st recorded instance of man's ability to dictate his existence there has always ( and I do mean ALWAYS) been some ***** (a dictator or king) that gets too power hungry and declares himself to be god.



If you think I am wrong that's fine, but think of your history lessons of the last man to openly announce that he was god. Give up? It was Napoleon Bonaparte... Honest truth not made up.



Lastly, I turned away from my faith, but find myself plagued with the gnawing thought of "what if I'm wrong". Not to mention that i followed the 'faith' for a while because of fear. That's just not a good reason for someone to adopt a religion.



I just offer this as food for thought. If religion works for any of you out there, then go after it and stick to your guns (sorry about the pun). Don't le5t anyone talk you out of it. But equally keep in mind that everything that we do and say ends up being interpretation.



What I have typed here may be interpreted as pro or con toward religion, or it may be a blissful foretelling of the rapture. It's all up to you individually to figure it out.



Peace

I would like to take the time to educate you in humility if you're able to except wisdom, as your disposition on the matter assumes that you are.



1. Napolean Bonepart the last man to declare himself a God?



Although it may not be as publicly known, I can imagine a certain current president standing on his desk in the oval office making that same declaration, at least until he gets some pretzels in his mouth.



Anyway on to the topic..



I must first admit that you don't sound as well read bibically speaking as you come off with the generalities of the bibles histories.

And I think to first set things straight, one must realize what all true scientist already know, and that it is not nor has it ever been the job of science to prove or to disprove the existence of God. Science will uncover his finger prints as it has many times over, but only a person seeking him out with all of his heart, will find see Him.

God cares not about a mans intelligence, intellect, I.Q. or anything else really, he cares only for the heart. You cannot, will not earn your way to finding Him, forgiveness or salvation, these things are given not earned.

Science debates itself, Theology wastes time doing the same but you would be a fool to leave your souls fate in the hands of either.

While we could spend the small amount of time it takes to discuss a very simple yet provocative point of intelligent design vs. order from chaos why don't we reflect in wards, towards the heart of man, the center of his being.

We say God is dead, he doesn't exist but the truth is He hasn't died or forgotten about anyone, and how do we know this? We know this because His laws are still in place, still at work everyday all the time, it takes a child to realize that, and if your well read then you'll realize I haven't meant that as an insult to anyone. Lets reflect. When men lie, it affects them, emotionally, sometimes physically, but the most interesting thing that happens in the conscious is the activation of guilt. Where did this come from? Is it learned environmental, social, etc? No. The Bible says that your conscious bares witness to your sins, commit sin, your conscious lets you know, commit enough sins with an unrepentant heart and you have seared your conscious, adios conscious. This is something that the Bible recognizes and it is obviously something that any honest man can attest to, that with repeated searing of the conscious we grow numb inside, immune if you will to any type of interior accountability, we have sent the conscious its eviction notice and it is packing its bags.

God knows this, the bible says this and we can acknowledge this and now we have a real practical piece of evidence that establishes His existence in a real personal way. And not only can you or I attest to this, the world can, every culture, race and color and this is just one small minuscule way to establish His existence. So if evolution or order from chaos is true, how is it we all have or had this inside of us, without regard to race, creed or color? Interesting.

God says in His word "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:13, don't believe it? Then prove God wrong, seek God out with all of your heart and find out if He is of His word or not.



I'd like to end this in a talk about religion.

It sucks. It has to be the most horribly conceived notion of all time and it turns out that God's not a fan as well. He's all about relationship, that's it plain and simple. I think a lot of us here especially you and I LordRussell can attest to having felt the sting of religion and as soon as you realize religions purpose and place you want out quicker than you got it. It really is a very ugly vile thing religion.

But surprise surprise, God was never in it, never, nor was He in the building. If you want to see Him then ask Him where to start and He will show you and then you must seek Him with all your heart and when you do that I have no doubt that you will find Him. I'm not talking about giving it the ole college try either, with ALL yo

Picture a colour that youu haven't seen...

should be...

Picture a coulour you will never see..



Dude, just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

For example, Pluto(the planet). Have you ever seen it? Nope. Will you ever see it? Nope. Does it exist? Yes.



So, there's the answer. Btw, many people ask Muslims "If you can't see or hear (your) God. Then who is he?"



Answer: He is like light. You can't see light. Does it exist? Yep.



So, that answers questions, that oppose that If you can't see something or hear it either, it doesn't exist.



Dude, people believe that atoms exist, but they've never seen it and when it comes to God. We can't see or hear him, he can't exist!!



That's just pure hypocracy.

You've got a great mind...

I gotta admit...



But, answer this...



Have you ever seen light?

Does it exist?



Whatever you say to oppose these two questions, you can't say light doesn't exist, but you can't see it. Can you?



It is your choice, but dude. I can proove that the religion Islam, is correct.



SpeedofLight.info

Jus watch the video on the front page.



It shows that the Quran says that the speed of light is 299792.49 km/s NOT 299792.582 km/s as US says. The Quran was a book revealed 1400 years ago. If you choose not to believe a sign this great then what will proove to you God does exist....



Yes, you are right, EVERY religion says it's the right one. BUT, NEARLY EVERY religon HAS prophicised Muhammad(s).... Yes, Christianity, Jewdaism, Hinduism, Ibinshawa...



Btw, FreePlay. Don't answer what they said, answer MY QUESTION.



People believe in Islam, because, they have better mind (Mashallah)...



People have been sooo damn bbrainwashed with all this "terrorism", that they believe that Islam means "terrorism"...



It doesn't it means "Submission"... In Islamic terminology, "Subimission towards Allah"...



Why Do Muslims call God Allah?....

Allah in Arabic means God.



So basically if you believe in Allah you believe in God.



And, yes THERE IS AN AYAH which says If you see a Kafir(Non-believer) kill him. YES THERE IS!



But the REST of the Ayah, is NOT given. It was saying that when you are doing Jihad (Fighting in self-defense) then you kill a Kafir. BUT THERE ARE RUEES EVEN IN FIGHTING!



YES RULES! You can't a Kaffir while doing Jihad, in a painful way. Did you know that? We're suppose to kiill them in a way they don't feel pain? So, please before bashing Islam, read the EXPLANATION, NOT TRANSALATION...



People, don't get the translation. Seriously, they foolishly just make up their own ideas.

Why are we talking about this *****!? this is a gaming site, not 'jesus time with QJ'. does anyone really care if you go to hell or not for playing a bloodly computer game. look it doesn't matter if you beleve in god or not (i don't). if you think about it all religons are very much the same, you all beleve in a higher place and you all have faith. isn't that enough. why is it everytime someone posts a story about how the church has said anything it turns into a bibal bashing contest.



I personnaly think religon is outdated and was a way for are ancestors to try and understand the world, if people still want to beleve in that stuff then fine, but people have to understand why people like me don't like this *****. religon is the main cause of 'All' wars and it's used to manipulate people. anyway, god has no place in regards to computer games. god didn't invent it, people did, so it should be up to the person if they should play these sorts of games. now can we please shut up about god.

"Science today tells me that everything it knows is fact. 100% truth."



No, it doesn't, and your entire argument falls apart right there.



The only people who claim to know absolute truth are RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.



I'll continue calling you kiddo as long as your thinking is so childish.

So you're saying that it's okay to have people belive in a little invisible man flying in the sky....?

You can see light! it's reflected off of everything! So you're saying that when you switch on a LIGHT you can't see it?

1. I don't know of any religion that believes in an invisible fly man. Care to explain what religion that is?



2. Yes, at least in some countries, people have the right to their own beliefs.

religion has always been a business

think they actually need that collection plate?

do you know how rich the vatican is?

seems funny that not even the pope can live humbly

no sharing going on there

well at least freeplay has now dropped all his "science proves everything" story, and is now onto just trying to convince people that the church does not really need my money so i should stop going. excellent new strategy.



and for the new poster. What method of measurement should I use? The one that has the kings thumb for an inch, and his foot for a foot, and whatever else numbers they wanted in between???



And then once I have that measurement, whos mathematical methods should I use? The one man created?? The one that dictates what number goes into what by what made the most sense but not totally sure about it? Keep in mind this is also the same mathematical method that your buddy freeplay says is only correct for now, and will be altered to be more correct in the future when we actually understand better what we are doing!

The plus sign is really an equals sign. QJ translates it, for some reason.

'well at least freeplay has now dropped all his "science proves everything" story'



That's YOUR straw man. Science does not prove. Science explains things. Proof is the realm of cold hard facts, primarily those of MATH. Math is accurate independent of human intervention. One plus one will always be two.



Meanwhile, you refuse to prove there is a god. Until you do, you have nothing. Once you've proven there's a god, feel free to prove that he is the sort of being you think he is.



"and for the new poster. What method of measurement should I use? The one that has the kings thumb for an inch, and his foot for a foot, and whatever else numbers they wanted in between???"



It does not matter. A ratio is constant no matter what units you use. You're being willfully stupid again.



"And then once I have that measurement, whos mathematical methods should I use? The one man created??"



Man didn't INVENT MATH. Numbers EXIST. You're being willfully stupid again.



"Keep in mind this is also the same mathematical method that your buddy freeplay says is only correct for now, and will be altered to be more correct in the future when we actually understand better what we are doing!"



Find me an improvement over "30/10 equals 3" and I'll shut up. Until then, you have no argument. Your book is fiction.

So do you have *anything* to say that isn't based on asking stupid questions or just saying I'm wrong?

In 1 Kings 7:23 there is an intriguing statement: 'And he [Hiram on behalf of King Solomon] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.' A similar account is given in the parallel passage in 2 Chronicles 4:2.



From time to time sceptics have used these verses to ridicule the accuracy of the Bible by claiming that, if one uses the figures stated, the circumference of the vessel divided by its diameter gives 3.0, instead of the value pi (3.14159...).1



Closer examination shows there are at least two possible explanations.



1. The first concerns the meaning of the word cubit, and how it would have been used in measuring the vessel. A cubit was the length of a man's forearm from the elbow to the extended fingertips. The Hebrew cubit was about 45 centimetres (18 inches). It is obvious that a man's forearm does not readily lend itself to the measurement of fractions of a forearm. In the Bible half a cubit is mentioned several times, but there is no mention of a third part of a cubit or a fourth part of a cubit, even though these fractions of 'a third part' and 'a fourth part' were used in volume and weight measurements. 2It therefore seems highly probable that any measurement of more than half a cubit would have been counted as a full cubit, and any measurement of less than half a cubit would have been rounded down to the nearest full cubit.



From 1 Kings 7:23 ('a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about'), it appears that the circumference was measured with 'a line', i.e. a piece of string or cord on which the distance was marked, and this length would then have been measured off in cubits by the measurer, using his own or someone else's forearm, or possibly a cubit-long rod. Similarly the diameter would have been marked on a line and 'cubitized' in the same way.



If the actual diameter was 9.65 cubits, for example, this would have been reckoned as 10 cubits. The actual circumference would then have been 30.32 cubits. This would have been reckoned as 30 cubits (9.6 cubits diameter gives 30.14 circumference, and so on). The ratio of true circumference to true diameter would then have been 30.32 ÷ 9.65 + 3.14, the true value for pi, even though the measured value (i.e. to the nearest cubit) was 30 ÷ 10 + 3.



While the above seems reasonable, we have no way of knowing for certain whether the measurements were approximated in this way. However, even if it is assumed that the measurements given were precisely 10 and 30 cubits, the following appears to provide a definitive answer.



2. Verse 26 of 1 Kings 7 says that the vessel in question had a brim which 'was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies' (KJV), or a rim 'like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom' (NIV), i.e. the brim or rim turned outward, suggesting the curvature of a lily.3 It is believed by Bible scholars to have looked like the drawing below.4



Let us consider the details given in 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2. These are:



1. The diameter of 10 cubits was measured 'from brim to brim' (v. 23), i.e. from the topmost point of the brim on one side to the topmost point of the brim on the other side (points A and B in the diagram).



2. The circumference of 30 cubits was measured with a line, 'round about' (v. 23), i.e. the most natural meaning of these words is that they refer to the circumference of the outside of the main body of the tank, measured by a string pulled tightly around the vessel below the brim. It is very obvious that the diameter of the main body of the tank was less than the diameter of the top of the brim. And it is also obvious that the circumference of 30 cubits could have been measured at any point down the vertical sides of the vessel, below the brim. For a measured circumference of 30 cubits, we can calculate what the external diameter of the vessel would have been at that point from the formula:

diameter +

circumference ÷ pi

+

30 cubits ÷ 3.14

+

9.55 cubits.



Thus

I knew it.



You can't answer the Pi contradiction without saying, essentially, that they got it wrong.



You're second-guessing your book... not to mention that approximating Pi to only two decimals is ridiculous.



We both KNOW we came from our parents. You just refuse to believe the objective, empirical evidence that shows you came from APES.



In fact, you ARE an ape. All humans are apes.



"Skeptics who allege an inaccuracy are wrong, because they fail to take into account all the data. The Bible is reliable, and seeming discrepancies vanish on closer examination."



You can't answer without adding spin and interpretation. Like I said:



"Go through the list and prove them wrong, WITHOUT interpreting the Bible.



If you interpret it, that means it cannot be LITERALLY true, because it only BECOMES true when you apply your UNDERSTANDING of it. It becomes SUBJECTIVELY true, and therefore not OBJECTIVELY true and NOT the word of God."



You've just proven my point. It IS NOT POSSIBLE to answer the contradictions in the Bible without essentially admitting that you have to add or distort information to make it correct.

so, I guess this means that you are dropping your whole Pi debate? it seems that this is a popular one by people such as yourself to prove that its false. Yet I just was able to show you how it is not. First tell me if your giving up that angle so I can move on to the next one.



I dont pretend to know all of Gods thoughts or judgements, or methods. Just the same as I have no idea what your thoughts are.



There are only 2 ways of thinking in this world, ways that lead to light, and ways that lead to darkness. Obviously ways that lead to light are methods and thoughts that point to God, and the other are ways that lead to the devil. There are MANY cases where the devil will actually give you small bits of hope, or even help you out for now. Once you have trusted in him he will slowly drag you down the path to darkness. Science and math are constantly changing, and if someone is using the guidance of the holy spirit in their studies they can discern between a true thought, and a definition of man. It is apparent that you blindly follow the scientific community because they are able to produce evidence of everything they do. You do not question the data collection method, or the way it is processed. TRUE science aims to DISPROVE their theory. They make a hypothesis, then set out to prove themselves wrong. That does not happen much anymore. They make their hypothesis and then start to collect data to prove they are right. Doing it this way take all objectiveness out of the equation. They can ignore data that may skew the results and push the stuff that supports them to the top. We all know that people only get paid for results, not lack of results. And proving yourself wrong all the time will only make you look like a fool.



Since you are bound by the laws of science why dont you try doing the TRUE science instead of the convenient one. Take everything you have said in here and prove yourself wrong. If you are unable to do that then it will prove that you are right.



Problem is, I just proved you wrong with pi, so everything else you have just spouted off you MUST now back up. Your integrity is in question here. And your "truths" are being called out. Now prove it right or wrong, but prove it!!

Keep in mind that scientists and math geeks will always try to win a religious battle with proof, and hard facts, And religion does not work that way. It never has. One day science and math and the ideas of man MUST conform to the thoughts and teachings of God to ever be taken as truth by the religious community. There are many smart and intelligent and enlightened scientists. And you do not have to look far to find people who started out as athiests and then because of their studies found god, and came to the conclusion that he must exist based on the observations around them. Since you dont dedicate your life to science and only read what is going on in it, you are removing yourself from the chance to be inspired during the process. So you have no idea if the persons intentions were for glory, fame, riches and so on. Or if it was to actually teach the world a new truth.



You should know from sunday school that God does not promise power, money, kingdoms, or fame to anyone. There are many times that honest people will acquire those things as a fringe benefit. But it is NEVER promised to them as a condition of their faithfulness. At least, not in this world. Yet satan will ALWAYS go after the lusts of man, and offer those to you in exchange for your soul. And frankly, he has you. to what level I do not know. But your other posts on this forum only prove that your intention is to fight, bicker, complain and drag people down to your level or lower. You challenge everyone in an effort to create a disturbance. This kind of spirit is certainly NOT one that god would promote. And if its not from God then it must be from satan. Which would make sense, since he is at the front of most contentions that have ever taken place in this world.



Once you have cast out the devil that consumes you you may read my words with a new light and understanding and see that I do in fact speak rationally and that everything I said can be true. Until that day, we will go back and forth.



So, I guess I must finally leave with only a few thoughts.



The story in this article says its not a sin to kill in a game. I believe that to be true as well. And I also believe when it says that playing a game with killing will NOT bring you closer to God or his plans.

"so, I guess this means that you are dropping your whole Pi debate? it seems that this is a popular one by people such as yourself to prove that its false. Yet I just was able to show you how it is not. First tell me if your giving up that angle so I can move on to the next one."



Kiddo, I already won that. You proved my point. You can't say the Bible is correct without interpreting it.



We're done here. Your position is indefensible. You have things that are true FOR YOU. I have things that are true because reality supports them.

dont worry bout it freeplay

obviously arrogant

"the new guy"

so no one else can comment

you havent provided one shred of truth, you think you hve.

but you can prove what is true

you can prove squat

freeplay speaks more sense in one sentence than you have in your entire rant

you wanted to prove that pi was 3.14

i did

what measurement

your stupid

measurement type is irrelevant

im atheist

but have religious friends

we have agreed not to talk religion because religious people wont see reason

they never have proof

just words from a book

do you know who L Ron Hubbard is

enough said

"Whatever you say to oppose these two questions, you can't say light doesn't exist, but you can't see it. Can you?"



If I can't see light, I'm blind.

" his has flame war over beliefs written all over it. "

2 posts later

"the reason y people give Muslims a hard time is because they ran two freakin planes in our towers and now they have infiltrated our nation and are converting Americas people."



Your f*cked-up religion burned thousands of women at the stake. They murdered thousands of people in the crusades. Do I even need to MENTION the inquisition?



And you people RUN this country. Forget about infiltration.



You're sooooo good at criticizing other religions. Maybe sometime you should look at yours the same way.

"My thing with freeplay is more because I enjoy seeing how wound up he gets. The more name calling comes out from him the more I have won."



You aren't winning ANYTHING you stupid c*nt. You're just revealing how jaw-droppingly ignorant you are!

when that lizard gets up and walks on 2 legs you let me know!



I am not saying that a certain amount of adaptation within a species is impossible. And we observe it all the time. What this site you linked to proves is how it is that we can have 2 people placed on the earth and then as they spread out among different nations they adapt to their environment. Which only explains why there are different skin colors of humans, and different physical attributes. Ie: head size, body build, brain size, and so on.



So, thank you for at least prviding the scientific proof of that one for me.



And, I dont doubt that those lizards had changed. I can change my diet too. And if I do I will build muscles to support that diet. It would suck at first trying to eat sticks instead of leaves. but eventually you could do it too.

"when that lizard gets up and walks on 2 legs you let me know!"



This is called "moving the goalposts". Creationists do this all the time. First they claim you never see a morphological change. Then I provide evidence that you do. Then they make offhand stupid comments like the one you did, as if to dismiss the fact that I've already proven them wrong. Pure intellectual dishonesty.



The lizard evolved a new morphological component that did not exist in any of its ancestral species. It is a new species.



"What this site you linked to proves is how it is that we can have 2 people placed on the earth and then as they spread out among different nations they adapt to their environment. Which only explains why there are different skin colors of humans, and different physical attributes. Ie: head size, body build, brain size, and so on."



Find me a human being who has evolved a new organ. THIS is what I just proved to you.



"And, I dont doubt that those lizards had changed. I can change my diet too. And if I do I will build muscles to support that diet. It would suck at first trying to eat sticks instead of leaves. but eventually you could do it too."



It wasn't building muscles. Muscles are things you already have. The valve described in the link I posted was ENTIRELY NEW. It DID NOT EXIST BEFORE.



It is a NEW SPECIES.



Better yet, feel free to tell me how bacteria that is resistant to man-made antibiotics is NOT evidence of new species. Go ahead, I'll wait.

"And I think to first set things straight, one must realize what all true scientist already know, and that it is not nor has it ever been the job of science to prove or to disprove the existence of God."



Nope. That's religion's fault. And they have all failed miserably.



"I'd like to end this in a talk about religion.

It sucks. It has to be the most horribly conceived notion of all time and it turns out that God's not a fan as well. He's all about relationship, that's it plain and simple."



Oh, that's a relief. Guess you can stop reading the Bible, singing the songs, and going to church. After all, if it's a relationship and not a religion, you don't NEED any of that stuff.

"At least I'm not arrogant enough to say I'm best buddies with the creator of the universe and that makes me better than everyone else."



You and me both buddy. I feel sorry for anyone who would be bragging about a personal relationship with their creator. Its one thing to have it, and another to bragg about it.



If you point out who actually said that (literally and not implied) and I can take him out at the knee caps if you want.

so, which post was it? Either I was literally bragging, or you have to interpret it, which means your false, and hence you do not exist.



Either your statement stands on its own and can be backed up, or it can not! You cant have it both ways.



Funny how the way you judge other works doesn't apply to your own!

But I guess thats the way science is anyway. Always flip flopping on what it thinks or teaches. No wonder you fit in so well. Ill take my chances with the religious crowd thanks.

Dude its the truth you can either take it your leave it. Radical Muslims took advantage of our country and weather you like it or not that is the truth.



Look God is real, you know how I know that?

I asked him to. And you know what in my life he became so real to me.



Listen the people that took my belief, (again religion is mans attempt to get to Heaven) according to what you learned, that far, I don't associate with that and I don't condone that. If what you say is true, then those people were so confused, and I apologize. That is not what the Bible calls us to do. There is no sentence or anything, that tells men to do that to women.

"Dude its the truth you can either take it your leave it. Radical Muslims took advantage of our country and weather you like it or not that is the truth."



I'm much more worried about the fundamentalist Christians *RUNNING* our country than your supposed radical Muslims.

"I guess in the end I just had to realize that text written that must be interpreted to find the true meaning MUST not contain truth. And hence, the author of the text could not possibly exist."



Wait, wait. So are you basically saying that the Bible is exactly the same as every other piece of writing anywhere?



Because the only way you could even try to twist my argument to apply to my posts is if you're claiming that my posts are equally as valid as the Bible.



In other words, YOU are now saying there's no reason to believe the Bible more than anything else!



Thanks for arguing my points FOR me.

"I am saying that whatever judgment you judge by, you shall also BE judged by."



Idiot. YOU are the one claiming that YOUR BOOK is PERFECT, INFALLIBLE, and ABSOLUTELY TRUE.



Are you trying to say that I should be judged equally to that?



In the case of your book, ONE FALSE STATEMENT invalidates the entire premise of perfection and infallibility. It makes it impossible to accept ANY of it as true, since deciding which parts were true would be a matter of interpretation. You could pick and choose what you wanted to believe was true.



Your book can't change to adapt to new information, or it invalidates itself in just the same way.



MY worldview is based on an ever-evolving, ever improving compendium of human knowledge about a world in which God need not have a place, and in fact does nothing more than introduce further confusion.



Your entire worldview is indefensible. You live in a fantasy world. Unless, of course, you'd like to prove:



1. That God must exist

2. That God must be exactly what you think it is

3. That God created the universe

4. That God did everything the Bible says he did



et cetera.



It's much simpler and more RATIONAL to simply discard God and not have to deal with the inconsistencies involved in attempting to prove those points (and the myriad others you must accept to accept your worldview as valid).

its ok if you want to live your life by a double standard. I mean, it sure makes living a whole lot easier when you can be critical of everyone but yourself.



Anyone can go back and read through your posts and see the standard you hold the bible too. And then see that you fail yourself to meet that standard. simply by your accepting that the way you interpret my posts to be fact. When I am the author and know what I meant.



what exactly is your intention by continuing to post? You have to have the last word? Some sort of God complex yourself, where your world does not allow a God simply because you feel that you ARE him??



Let it go. There are MILLIONS of people that believe in God and see his power in their lives. And there are people such as yourself who explain it all away, and live the way you choose. I dont live your life for you, and I would HATE for you to try to rule mine.



The bible is the word of god so long as it is translated correctly. Unfortunately you can not find one that is 100% translated correctly. Perhaps if you read the hebrew one you could get close. But I cant understand hebrew. Perhaps you can, and you have? I dont know, but really I dont care either.



Bottom line, I dont play video games that often except with my children. And I am not worried about Gods judgement coming on me for playing GTA for 60 hours a week either. Because I dont.



If your trying to justify living your life in your parents basement playing DD or WoW every waking minute, then just get over it. I dont care what you do. you dont have to try to disprove God to try and sleep better knowing your wasting your days away......



How much money have you made selling your gold on ebay now anyway??

"There are MILLIONS of people that believe in God and see his power in their lives. And there are people such as yourself who explain it all away, and live the way you choose."



I believe in the invisible flying pink unicorn and see his power in my life.



Y'see, I don't NEED to explain God away, because I don't see a need to inject him into everything. Everything can be explained just fine without him.



"The bible is the word of god so long as it is translated correctly... Perhaps if you read the hebrew one you could get close."



Thanks for showing your ignorance about the history of the Bible.



Tip: It wasn't in Hebrew first.



"If your trying to justify living your life in your parents basement playing DD or WoW every waking minute, then just get over it."



LOL



I'm an adult with a job, kiddo. I enjoy my life. Stop projecting.

Unicode screwed it up.



"I'll pray for you"



Translation: "This conversation is over. My mind exploded." Or, "I refuse to believe you won this argument."



Acceptable Response: "Thanks, you're so kind."



Unacceptable Response: "Instead of praying, why don't you read a non-Christian book?" Or, "I'll think for you." Or especially, "Liar."

first of all. its a GAME. you can turn it on and off. relax.

sorry to all believers but i believe god(anyones "god" for that matter) was something made up many, many, many years ago to give people hope and guidance. its not a bad thing. giving people hope and a reason to do good things is never a bad thing. its just too bad people do bad things in the name of religion. just live for yourself and those around you. do what you think is right without consulting with some outdated literature. i'm done.

Believe what you want. My words cant do anything for you, and God loves you. You've heard me say that and i'll keep preaching that till i die. And I'm sure you are mature enough to use the acceptable response.

"Believe what you want. My words cant do anything for you, and God loves you. You've heard me say that and i'll keep preaching that till i die. And I'm sure you are mature enough to use the acceptable response. "



The ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE is the weenie's response.



I know you're lying. You aren't praying for me, and even if you did, it would only be to my detriment.

like you can really tell if im praying for you. And honestly dude with all my heart I've been praying for u and that God shows himself to you. Like I said God and I care for you, you believe whatever you want. I gave you the gospel and now you make the choice. The one thing that I don't get is that why do you always have to come back with a bad remark? Y is your heart so hard? Y are you afraid of opening up to God and y are you holding back instead of taking a leap of faith? Maybe you don't think I, or other Christians can be trusted because of some tragedy that happened in your life. I don't know what it is, but everytime you had to respond back your comments have always been negative.



Listen dude I don't care if your muslim or hindu or morman or what ever, I just want you to know that God cares for you, he died for you, and that I'm praying for you and that you someday open your heart and see the light.



Red

Hehe...

I was right... You need light to see everything, without light you can't see, but you can't see light itself...



Ohh the Quran says that it set's of in an "off-spring". VERY TRUE...



What's meant by Off-Spring? Ocean. That's why I said that read explanation. It's entirely upto you. I mean, You're like the first person who I have seen not following religion blindly without question. It's very true and from your point of argument, your very right.



Between, my argument was like your...



1+1 will always be 2.



It's the same with law of nature.

Which will always be the same.



In the Quran, there is also written ...



"SENT Iron"....



Know by sent people will obviously think that it's given from somewhere. Yeh actually it's very true, because our galaxy doesn't have that much Iron and it's believed that it was given by the metoer which fell on Earth millions of years ago...



Know, HOW THE HELL IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE FOR A MAN 1400 YEARS AGO TO TALK ABOUT SUCH HIGH LEVEL ASTRONOMY?



... not only that... please just check out this link... speed-light.info...Then goto.... wormholes...



It's a theory... Not proven. But, if ANYONE could understand the Quran 1400 years ago. We'd probably be having miniature wormholes on Earth right know. Why?



There was written that the Angels travel "long" distances by "kajeeb" I think.... Kajeeb meaning wormholes.... I just don't understand why Muslims never tried understanding it. Oh and just so you know it. Math/Algebra, Sciences was tremendously improved by the Muslims, because of the Quran.



Dude, I don't want you to believe in God, I just want you to read the explanation. The reason is that the Quran, whether I am a Sunni(a sect) or a Shia(another sect), the Quran remains UNCHANGED.



Know what's my point? It's that it was revealed 1400 years ago. It was revealed to Muhammad (s) and then he narrated it to the people. Know you don't need to believe that it was revealed and all. But if you will believe it was indeed written 1400 years ago.



You'll never argue again whether is a God or not.



Yes, it's very true(to the ass who was talking ***** about Muslims). That two planes into the WTC. But, until today there is no proof. A scientist prooved(America n) that if it was because of the planes the tower fell. It would have falled sideways. NOT downwards. Meaning that US THEMSELVES DID IT! 1 thing. US had been informed by MORE THAN 13 countries that this WILL HAPPEN ON 9/11. SO Shut the HELL UP!...



Look at urself. Christians in Guantanamo Bay are treating Humann Beings worse than ANIMALS! They literally strip them naked and beat them EVERYWHERE and they give you only 8 minutses to pray and put on EXTREMELY loud music on while they are praying. NOT ONLY That they lock people up and strip them naked and put chains on them so that they can bearly breathe and are in an extremelly uncomfortable position and lock them up in store where they put on soo loud music.... Dude seriously look at yourself before you talk about us. I have admitted some Muslims are indeed extreme. But, just so you know it Taliban was created by America. They're the source of their own problem.



Between all this crap about Osama Bin Laden, is just BULL *****ING *****! Seriously!!! They can find Saddaam Hussain UNDERGROUND, but can't find OSAMA BIN LADEN AFTER BOMBARDING ALLLL OF AFGHANISTAN??!!!



Between, America has NO *****ING RIGHT TO ATTACK AFGHANISTAN WITHOUT ANY *****ING PROOF THAT THEY DID IT! America them*****ing selves said that Taliban/Al-Qaeda did it. WHAT THE ***** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH AFGHANISTAN???!!! SERIOUSLY??!!



NOT ONLY THAT, Christian are killing waaaaaaaaayyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy more innocent people than the 5000 that died in WTC....



They've killed hundred of thousands and Muslims are raped in Al-Bahrein and Guantanamo Bay... SO JUST LOOK AT YOUR DAMNED SELF BEFORE CRITICIZING ME!



I'm NEVER going to say that Christian's are BAD EVER! Because Jesus Christ is also a Prophet of God and I believe that. If I don't then I'm not a Muslim. So what I'm saying is that Christia

i've seen the light

ive seen david copperfield, david blaine and criss angel do heaps of stuff!!!