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Anonymous developer claims devs are abandoning Sony products

Posted Feb 15, 2007 at 2:20PM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: News, Opinions & Analysis Tags: Japan, MrTummy, Sony, Team Ico, UK

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In the comments section of a February 13 post on the Gamesblog section of UK news portal Guardian Unlimited entitled "PS3: difficult stories emerge in run up to Euro launch", an anonymous UK developer writes:

I work as a games developer, and have revealed all sorts of info on this blog. I think its all been ignored though. Readers here prefer to discuss press-releases and marketing figures. Anyway, if anyone is interested to know how serious Sony's problems are, consider this. There are virtually no PSP or PS3 games being developed in the UK.

Of course, in defense of the PSP, a quick look at upcoming PSP release dates in the UK show that there's a lot of activity leading up to mid-March. Moreover, a look at Metacritic's compiled review scores for NDS games reveal that only a handful of the top games are developed outside of Japan Â– something that is in stark contrast with the PSP. At least 12 of the PSP top 20 are western releases.

Kieth Stuart of Gamesblog notes that it could also be argued that when it comes to handhelds, Britain has never really been a major force.

Here's the rest of the anonymous (oddly the handle he used is "MrTummy") developer's comment:

...Nintendo had sent Wiimotes that plug into Gamecube devkits to all registered developers. Instead of forking out thousands of quid to Sony for devkits that they still weren't releasing, studios were coming up with innovative Wii ideas. Instead of training coders to program the world's most complicated Cell processor, the Gamecube team just switched to the Wii.

People can believe what they want. You can trawl the web for lists of PSP or PS3 games to get excited about. The truth is that the development community is already abandoning Sony's products, just as happened in the past to the Saturn, N64, Dreamcast, GC... All that'll be propping-up the PS3 and PSP a year from now will be some sad sports and movie fodder.

Given that Team Ico of Shadow of the Colossus fame has just announced that they're working on a PS3 project, we're pretty sure that you folks have a lot to say to MrTummy.

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he forgets the fact that the PSP has been coming out with some amazing games recently, and still has a great list of games coming out in the months to come. The PS3, ya, hasn't done much yet, but I can't say much for the Wii at the moment either, or X360...as none of them really impress me. Ya, beautiful graphics, but so what. Wii has Zelda, PS3 has Resistance, X360 has Gears of War...but I don't see many others games that are completely over the top, and Gears of War doesn't really impress me all of the much anyways. Lets not forget that the Wii had one of the (if not the) worst rated release of games in history...so I guess that Wii remote doesn't make horrible Gamecube games anymore fun... I've given up on the "Next Gen," and I am staying with PC gaming and the PSP...for these are the only two worth playing games on anymore ;)

# wuss — Guest 2007-02-15 15:42

"Instead of training coders to program the world's most complicated Cell processor," pussies, always taking the easy way out

# *****e — Guest 2007-02-15 15:42

i hope u die

# sfrean your a douche — Guest 2007-02-15 15:42

Give the ps3 some time people! It will be a great console! Even if its not first this generation IT''S GOING TO HAVE LOT's OF GREAT GAMES!

# a bunch of bull — Guest 2007-02-15 15:52

this is a bunch of bull

Bull i tel you.... Bull !

# this isn't tottally false — Guest 2007-02-15 16:01

havent u guys heard of all these demands sony is giving to it's 3rd party developers? we know sony are *****s to us and why wouldnt they be to their 3rd party devs? plus havent u guys noticed that no new games have really even been for the psp recently? the ps3 has some but none for the psp in the last month or two. it looks like the tide has turned against sony, nintendo is comin back. who doesnt love the innovation of the wii? i myself own a psp and like it a lot, but i'm tottally seeing a decrease in sony's gaming department.

# ... — Guest 2007-02-15 16:02

My sentiments exactly

# the dev viewpoint — Guest 2007-02-15 16:03

what MrTummy said is true, any one can see that. Look, pretend for just one second that you arent a fan of any specific console, for some this will be impossible, but bare with me...

Now, I want you to look at the ps3 through the eyes of a non-biased person. The ps3 is expensive, in fact, the most expensive. If you were in the mind frame that Ive laid out you would say to yourself that its too expensive. Too expensive means less adopters of said console, less adopters means less money for making the games if you are a dev since less people will be in the market for the consoles products. Less money, and most expensive to own...

Two wrongs dont make a right.

Now, if less people are there to buy your product then that means less money you will make if you do create something for the system, especially if you create it exclusively for that said system. Now, mix those two problems with a highly complex processor with limited tools to help create games with. The outlook on making a game for this console is starting to look bad, right? This is the reason the ps3 will fail, plain and simple. The fans will not admit it, but if they were honest with themselves they would see it is inevitable.

That is the reason why devs are abandoning the ps3, and why the ps3 will sink into the category that houses other failed (but brilliant) consoles such as the N64, the Sega Saturn, and a handful of others. You have to look at the big picture, not just what you favor and what you want to happen. Sony has fans, but so did the Dreamcast and Saturn.

And this is also the reason why ps3 is beginning to see only ports coming its way, because the idea to make a game from the ground up is too risky for most developers. Oblivion, Fight Night, Fear, all just one of many examples of this taking place right now. Will Sony have any exclusives at all? Sure. But those developers are paid by Sony to make the games, Sony is basically their boss, and they fit the bill so there is no worry from the devs if it fails or not.

But what you are going to start to see happening are more ports and less exclusives for sony, and thats a fact wether you like it or not. Its too much of a risk for devs, and without them the ps3 will eventually fail. It happened to Atari, it happened to Nintendo, it happened to Sega, and now its slowly happening to Sony.

# Coming to get you — Guest 2007-02-15 16:03

ZOMG everyones abandoning XP because its finally bug free.

# WTF does he mean? — Guest 2007-02-15 16:06

"virtually"... his writing is completely untrue, he has no clue what he is talking about.

Sony's major support comes from the uk fan base... ps2 just owned. So if he thinks no games are being developed in the UK, and you belive him, think again.

Ps3 has yet to launch in the UK and in the up coming months, sony will be happy to say that they are already making profit.

Sony's stocks has already risen 3.8%... isn't much but an amazing start.

# true? — Guest 2007-02-15 16:07

you know i really hate to admit it but i see alot of truth behind what youre saying bliz

# Blizzard — Guest 2007-02-15 16:07

YOU ARE OFFICIALLY A RETARDED MONGOOSE....Sony is the biggest name in console making and its still the gods of consoles...it has been doing better then any past console even the PS2 which beats your precious 360+xbox sales combined and you havnt said anything about xbox but i just know that, no one wants to hear your lying bull***** and guess what? it doesnt work? people have been trying it forever, Sony is as strong as ever and just recently beat preordering records and has more exclusives in develeopment then there will be for 360 along with a bunch of the top 25 franchises of all time where 360 has NONE, all the consoles are here to say, go *****ing suck a *****

# PREPARE TO BE FLAMMED! — Guest 2007-02-15 16:10

people are going to SPAM halo in your face lol.

# Another lame-o developer who can't see the future — damonous 2007-02-15 16:10

That is, if this is a developer that wasn't paid to say that by Nintendo or Microsoft. These are the absolute most aggravating of 'news' anymore: "Oh, well Nintendo made it easy because we could just use the Gamecube devkit with the new controllers" ---well, I'm sure back in the days of the Atari 2600 it would have been 'easier' to develop for the 7800 since it used the same controllers & variations and probably just an extension to the familiar hardware design. But, luckily for everyone else, Nintendo & Sega came along with totally NEW hardware that escalated an otherwise stagnant gaming console market. But now, Nintendo's doing a reversal, with a minor upgrade to their hardware, slapping a couple of laughable fad controllers into it, and proclaiming it 'revolutionary' ---oh, no: wait... That's right, they changed the name in the 11th hour from "Revolution" to "Wii".... probably for the good reason that the console is NOT revolutionary. Such stupidity to say that because a new console version from a manufacturer is almost EXACTLY THE SAME, it's somehow something we should admire. And people are trying to imply Sony is the 'status quo'? --I think not.

# you're totally false — Guest 2007-02-15 16:11

you can say the samet hing about releasals for every console. its called the holiday lull... and devs are just now (mid feb) releasing their new games. so what goes true for the psp and ps3, also goes true for the wii and 360... very few releases

# hahaaaa, youre a fool — Guest 2007-02-15 16:13

i guess you are one of the ones he mentioned who cant see past a corporate name right? also, sony isnt the biggest name in consoles, Nintendo is, and has been for decades now. just because Nintendo isnt on top anymore doesnt make them any less of a name. go ask your grandmother what a Nintendo is and she can tell you, but ask her what a playstation is and she will probably say a jungle gym. And for someone who likes sony so much you sure do talk an awful lot about the 360, sounds like jealousy to me.

# pretty much true — Guest 2007-02-15 16:13

they won last time bceause it was always the cheapest and thats the way it will always be! cheaper + more sales. cept for bose which has always confused me seeing as their product isnt even worth $100 let alone the thousands that they ask for. their "bass module" doesnt even get down to 40HZ which is an absolute must for bass guitar. most DVD movies have bass at or below 30HZ.

# who knows really — ContrAss 2007-02-15 16:17

Unfortunatlly, i can name like two British developer houses. Edios and criterion. Actually, I'm guessing they're british.

Anyways, I'll need some proof of these devs jumping ship. As of right now, Edios is doing a PS3 game, criterion is doing a PS3 game.

"Nintendo had sent Wiimotes that plug into Gamecube devkits to all registered developers. Instead of forking out thousands of quid to Sony..."

That to me is important. So this pretty much confirms that the Wii is nothing more than an upgraded gamecube. And we're all paying 250 for an upgraded 70 dollar console. fantastic, now more reason to love nintendo. They're passing the savings to the consumer! wait, what?

"studios were coming up with innovative Wii ideas"

where? I want to see these innovative wii ideas. Last i checked, red steel sucked and the PSP version of Prince of Persia is coming. elebits was nothing more than a tech demo and...(out of titles). I guess wario ware and wii sports are innovative but again, they're made by nintendo. I guess people really hate sony enough to ignore what i've just written.

# Bose — Guest 2007-02-15 16:17

Yea, I dont quite understand the whole Bose thing either. It looks like a radio clock you can get at Walmart for under $10, but they charge an arm and a leg for it.

I also noticed you mentioned bass guitar, are you a player? Ive been playing for over a decade, and own everything from fretless, to vintage, five and six strings, hollow bodies, acoustics. Im a bass fanatic!

# isn't Criterion in uk? — hush404 2007-02-15 16:19

If not then w/e but I thought they was based in the UK.

# PS3 — Guest 2007-02-15 16:21

PS3, its a game console and a BD player BUT you need a 1080P tv for BD and no one has that kind of money but regardless 360 failed in europe and japan so its all "bad" for everyone cept only neagative PS3 news is spread and there is NEVER any neagative 360 news because its stopped by someone who hates PS3. wtf is wrong with you guys its called a free market! MS already owns all of your computers so whats the point of them owning your living room as well!

# Ouch — Guest 2007-02-15 16:26

MS execs claimed that HMDI isnt need for HD DVD! where the hell have they been! its a little something called audio.. and its come a long way but you need either HDMI or multi-chanel analog neither of which the 360 has. So have fun without HD audio on your crippled HD DVD player. PS3 may not have multi-channel out but at least it has HDMI which may not be supported by many recievers but IS however digital audio therefore less artifacts when compared to analog audio. In conclusion I claim 360 as being rushed and PS3 as being underdeveloped.

# If this were Nintendo or Microsoft... — Amish.Gramish 2007-02-15 16:27

If this were Nintendo or Microsoft, this wouldn't have even gotten onto this website.

The reason a lot of people are going up against the PS3 is because THEY ARE AFRAID NINTENDO WILL NEVER BE #1 AGAIN AND THAT MICROSOFT WILL NEVER BE #1!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at Microsoft, they are #1, and they are ridiculed for everything they do, the same goes with politics, the Democrats and the Republicans, both are bad, (The Rs are worse though) but because the Republicans were the rulers, they have been getting picked on for a long time.

The thing is there's a lot of people who want #1 to fail.

If Nintendo were doing the same things it's doing now, but they were the ruler for the past 1 or 2 generations, they would be the most ridiculed.

Why doesn't anyone complain about Nintendo's online for the Wii, when the PS3 has online out of the box, FOR FREE, and a lot of people are complaining about that??????

The answer is what I've told you, in that whomever is number one, they will always get targeted out.

# wait I just thought — hush404 2007-02-15 16:29

The PS3 is, count them, 3 months old, yep 3. Infact it hasn't even been released in Europe yet! How can you sit there and complain there are no games?

Look to the Wii, it's no better, it's game line up is nill as well (I'm playing Zelda on my Cube, I don't consider it a "OMG Wii FTW" game). The 360's got some titles worth looking at but the 360's been out for around 15 months and thus it's going to have more games.

Plain and simple, it's way too early too be b!tchin about which system has what and what devs are working on what.

# I haven't seen a single innovative thing... — Amish.Gramish 2007-02-15 16:32

I haven't seen a single innovative thing in any game on the DS, that's NOT made by Nintendo, in the past year.

Quite frankly, the only company that will be making innovative things for the Wii and DS in a year from now is Nintendo.

Innovation is in the hands of the developers, but most are just using the Wii and DS as ways to get a lot of profit to pay for real, in depth games like Assassin's Creed or Army of Two. (Which both are very innovative, as we DO NOT need a new controller to be innovative, the game just has to be innovative in the industry)

# there are soo many devs in the uk — comedy 2007-02-15 16:32

yeah, criterion and all sorts of others... rockstar and blizzard even at least started in the uk.. lots have created new studios in canade too.

mr . blizzard your argument, although a weighty tome, was comprised of about 2 main points.

ps3 is expensive... yeah, we get it, but then there are people out there paying for it. and although you don't get the choice when you soup up a x360 to match ps3's bits they come out roughly even on price.

cell isn't the world's hardest processor to code for, it's based on power pc (very very well known architecture), and unless you've been living under a rock you should know that any coder worth his salt should be totally psyched to get in on the whole multi-core multi-thread scene.

yeah, wii is a glorified gamecube... hooray? gc has been out a while, did it really take nintendo almost 6 years to come up with an infrared sensor?!

mind you there is a place for wii, the whole pick up and play thing is good.

any dev who writes off systems is clearly on the take, most of them are quite happy to work on new exciting hardware, and what better place to showcase your skillz?

# Really? — Guest 2007-02-15 16:35

Well this is kinda funny you know b/c MotorStorm was developed in the U.K. what a joke people this is prevently fake come on seriously...

# Kind of agree — Saigon 2007-02-15 16:37

I'm still getting a ps3 thought, because all my favorite franchises will come to it. 360 is cool but I can't forgive Microsoft for releasing vista when they haven't fixed xp yet. Wii is going to do good because it's cheap, it doesn't even matter if get crap games like gamecube, because the the alternatives are still too expensive for alot of people. Sure, ps3 and psp are hard to code games for, but I've seen plenty of talented developers say after learning it's easy to do. Maybe these European devs just suck donkey ass.

# More disinformation from a sock puppet... — Guest 2007-02-15 16:40

Maybe trying to distract people from the 360 failures that are still occurring all over the world? Of course if you can get yourself on the BBC you will be lucky enough to have the repairs paid for you..

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=22725

but the other 99.9% of you are out of luck ... you can pony up over and over and over since it fails over and over again. Of course the timing of this anonymous blog and the PS3 launch in Europe are unrelated..of course they are..Geez didn't we see this same nonsense before..they are really really pathetic...and scared.

Expect this kind of rubbish to increase as Sony sweeps Europe and Blu-ray finishes wiping HD-DVD off the map - as it's now outselling it at about 3:1 and the gap keeps getting wider.

Now for a Reality check...

"..according to head of games Gian Luzio, who told GamesIndustry.biz that PS3 is "the most pre-ordered console yet" for Play. Pre-sold at 6x the number of Xbox 360 and 15x the pre-orders of the Wii. Similar story with Woolworths, HMV and Amazon UK.

Oh yeah game companies are going to abandon a current market of over 100 million consoles and another 100 million to come because some anonymous "insider" has the real scoop. Uh huh. Ha Ha. A console that had a better launch than the PS2. Ha Ha Ha. Oh they're pathetic in their desperation.

Btw the Guardian Unlimited is a well known Sony basher.

Jack Schofield is one their cheerleaders - if you want to read just how stupid people can sound.

# MS-Nintendo vs Sony? — masr1979 2007-02-15 16:44

Is it me or are they teaming up on Sony? they rarely if at all attack each other. As you said #1 is the one that always gets the most heat. I think people are being really naive when they dismiss sony after only 3 months of releasing the ps3. We can all try to analyze-predict what will happen, but you gotta be really arrogant to think that you know what's going to happen.

As far as devs not working on any sony titles I don't think so. I think these people base their decisions on numbers not sympathy/preferences, and the numbers I think support releasing games for sony consoles, at least until proven wrong. As soon as 1 game that I like comes out I'll get a ps3, and I don't think it would be far fetched to expect 50 or 60 that I like to come out during the next 10 years. I figure the ps2 is going on 8 years almost and it's still strong, and the ps1 lasted for about 6-7 years too, so 10 years for the ps3 is pretty believable. If I had an xbox I would be pissed about now, how long was the console supported for??? 4 years?

# this is so funny that no one points out — Guest 2007-02-15 16:49

Rember all the bad press that microsoft got with the shortages of systems the fact that you had to pay extra to get wirless stuff that you automaticly get with the ps3 to the systems catching on fire hdmi and 1080p and everything else etc i just dont see any of this past stuff 360 had being bought up

# lajfalfj — Guest 2007-02-15 16:53

lol i love how you dumb sony fans think its all a conspiracy. get your head out of your ass and see that sony is failing. even in japan!!

# Matt — GrayWolf323 2007-02-15 16:53

cheapest? wtf are you talking about the gamecube was always cheaper than the PS2 and still is

the PS2 won because it had the best selection of games

# Way to much money has been invested — Guest 2007-02-15 16:55

Way to much money has been invested in these nex-gen systems for them to fall in the next couple years. The game companies will take all our money for a few years and then thats it, and move on to something new like it has been in the history of game systems. So enjoy it now because something new is in development as I type this. Enjoy and spend that money!!

# this guy speaks the truth! — Guest 2007-02-15 16:59

wow as soon as I was reminded of this I lost all faith in this article! All I can say is the ps3's pre-orders in the uk are breaking records! if this is even partially true, there will be more people with the console and more demand. give this some time people! i havnt lost faith in Sony and Nintendo, but Microsoft is going down hill. They have to release a whole new console to compete with the rest. "Zephyr" the next gen xbox 360. Oh wait I thought the xbox 360 was next gen???? WRONG!!

# Reason: — Amish.Gramish 2007-02-15 17:08

That's why they are using the Wii and DS as their scapegoats.

Nintendo fans will buy any game for the DS or Wii they think might be fun when they see the box for the game. (One of my friends who's a self proclaimed Nintendo fanboy bought a really horrible fishing game for the Wii, and thought it sucked ass).

I think these game systems are getting too expensive to develop for and that the consoles themselves are getting too expensive.

$600 +tax is the most I would ever pay for the PS3.

$400 +tax is the most I would ever pay for the 360, because it doesn't have free online or an HD movie player built in.

$100 is the most I would pay for the Wii, because I just don't see any games that I would want that aren't made by Nintendo, unless if a Harvest Moon pops up soon...

# ... — Guest 2007-02-15 17:10

Gaming console Matt. Games. Not movies. Go find a Blu-Ray thread.

# your totally *****ing right — Guest 2007-02-15 17:13

None of these next gen systems have anything completely spectacular yet. Give it till about Christmas time to really say who's the best. By then all 3 systems should have out some really outstanding games. HALO 3, MGS4(maybe), and I'm sure Nintendo will have something sweet by then to.

Right now the pickins for games is pretty slim on any of these new consoles. Personally i think the PS3 has the most room for improvement but I may be wrong, it could be a total flop, but given Sony's track record on consoles thus far I don't think the PS3 is the next Dreamcast.

# hmmm — Guest 2007-02-15 17:14

I bet this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the PAL launch is right around the corner and looking great.

MS you little devils ;)

# your totally right... — Guest 2007-02-15 17:16

your argument seems logical to me i believe people will still be willing to buy a PS3 though, simply for the fact that it is a blue ray disk player...imagine being at best buy or something and you see a standalone BR player for $1000 but then you notice tht PS3 next to it for $600, what r u going to buy? Blue ray may save Sony, other than that i agree with Blizzard. and one more thing...Wii Rulez!

# yep — Guest 2007-02-15 17:18

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref+sv_vg_h__3/026-4952782-7724427

yep... I bet Sony is just about to kick the bucket. I mean look at these UK sellers on amazon.

1. PS3 (60GB)

2. Resistence (PS3)

3. Motorstorm (PS3)

4.HDMI Cable

5. FFXII

6. F1 Championship Edition (PS3)

7. Wii Play

8. Call of Duty 3 (PS3)

9. RR7 (PS3)

10. GT5 (PS3)

15. Sonic (PS3)

22. VT3 (PS3)

23. VF5 (PS3)

Pretty horrible...

# This guy can't be for real — Guest 2007-02-15 17:18

That line alone makes this guy lose all credibility.

1) The PS3 is easier to code for them the PS2

2) You should know how to program. Sony shouldn't have to teach you...with free dev kits.

3)I know there are other Cell processor types but I really doubt this is what he was referring to. I'm pretty sure he just meant that an 8 core proc is hard to program for. If he can't be bothered to proof read how can he expect me to believe him?

# ... — Guest 2007-02-15 17:19

I don't really pay much attention to "Anonymous' sources, so I will give this article no credit. however there is a few things I have to say related to this matter.

The Wii is going to out sell the PS3 for at least the next 2 years. The PS3 might outsell the Wii during the Europe launch but the Wii will quickly take over after that. The 360 will also outsell the PS3 this year but probably only by 2 to 4 million units. I think the developers expected a lot more from Sony for the price tags and it's becoming quite obvious that the PS3 is definitely not a sure shot winner. Developers are going to have second thoughts about creating multiple million dollar games for a system that is running a distant 3rd. But most people here say they bought the PS3 for it's first party titles and limited third party exclusives. So those people should be happy, I'm sure sony will at least give them that. Just don't expect developers to flock to the PS3 when it's performing as badly as it is now.

# EuroNoobs. — Guest 2007-02-15 17:26

The Anonymous Dev is obviously a noob, the N64 was the greatest console ever. And if he's says the GC was a flop, why is it a good thing that you need one to program for the Wii?

Case in point, he's a noob, I recommend that he /kill

# Great... — Johnny_V 2007-02-15 17:26

Oh great! Another nintendo lover! F-u-c-k you MrTummy, i'm sure you r a guy that loves to carry your ds to gay partys to show your little doggies to your boyfriends!

# ALL 3.10 OE-A PEOPLE, PLS HELP!!! — Guest 2007-02-15 17:28

I own a 3.10 OE-A psp. Yesterday, i used this homebrew " VSH Rebooter PRX " on my psp, it actually deleted my " topmenu_plugin.rco " file from my psp flash0, and MY PSP GOT BRICKED AFTER THAT. Therefore, i need help from all you 3.10 OE-A psp owners - i need a your copy of flash0!!!

For those kind souls who really wants to help me but donno how to get a copy of your flash0, here are the instructions,

1. Shut down your psp, and hold R and switch on the power. This will lead you to recovery mode.

2. Select "Advanced" and then go to " Toggle USB (Flash0) "

3. Connect your psp to the PC and make a ZIP or RAR COPY of everything from the psp flash0. THEN EXIT RECOVERY MODE. NEVER DELETE ANYTHING FROM YOUR FLASH0!!!

PLS SEND YOUR COPY OF YOUR ZIPPED OR RARED COPY OF THE flash0 TO:

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I HEREBY SINCERELY THANK YOU PEOPLE FOR READING MY POST.

# i concur — comedy 2007-02-15 17:40

i think this guy has hit the nail on the head for this round of the flame wars...

# You know what — Guest 2007-02-15 17:45

you are flying off the deep end. Gas in the 90's was 90 cents a gallon, today people buy it for 2 bucks a gallon. So the PS2, that was 299.99 is now 499.99. Everyone screams 600 bucks, you have an option. What more do you guys want!

# ha ha — Guest 2007-02-15 17:45

Actually it's had a more successful launch than the best selling console of all time - the ps2. And the European pre-orders are smashing everything that's gone before - um 6x the Xbox pre-orders btw.

Funny people like you were going on about how it was so expensive (despite the 360 costing more and offering less and constantly breaking down) and now Sony are shipping 60GB almost exclusively...and NO problems with the PS3 unlike the other house burning machine. LOL at all you suckers that can't get your head out of your ass.

Hey but maybe you can pay all over again when they release the 360 with HDMI and then pay again when they release another one with Blu-ray next year...LOL at how stupid you are to be suckered multiple times.

Now if you want to talk about failures you should really be talking about Vista - now there's a failure. Worldwide failure. DOA. People paid what 2,3,4 THOUSAND DOLLARS for their super duper PC gaming machines and the games don't even work on it. Oh but the PS3 and Sony is failing..ha ha ha. For those thousands of dollars you spent on your buggy crappy PC I'll buy 3 to 6 PS3's and have lan parties that work while your crashing or burning every 10 minutes..

And Office is right behind it for the silver medal.

Best Buy has a cage full of both products just sitting there - no one is BUYING or upgrading windows or Office. Their cash cows are about to dry up faster than a creek in the sahara.

# Dooohhh — Guest 2007-02-15 17:48

I meant PS2 was 299 and the PS3 is 499

# ok then... — Guest 2007-02-15 17:49

The 'r'r is worst comment stood out of this whole sony vs. the world crap to me because you must be on crack to believe this! Well, at least we 'R's do not kill babies, marry two *****s, and put our tail between our legs when someone raises their voice over in the middle east! And , oh yeah....Sony is still #1, until this changes...quit crying about it!

# blu-ray — Guest 2007-02-15 17:50

blu-rya is a disc storage format, not a movie format.

Discs are made to store data, movies just happen to be a big part of the word " data"

blu-ray is good for games and movies, your just a 360 fanboy.

# ... — highps3 2007-02-15 18:01

MGS4 comes out next year. Nice try.

# viral marketing at its best.... — Guest 2007-02-15 18:03

My bet this "anonymous dev" is from Nintendo...any takers?

# re — Guest 2007-02-15 18:22

I've had my PSP since launch....but I want a portable GAMING device. Yes, I understand the PSP has lots of multimedia options, but I wanna play games. Every topic on this forum seems to be about hacking and other things, but nothing gaming related.

I'm trying to decide whether or not to sell my psp and my games and get a ds.

I currently have:

Lumines (bored of it)

Burnout Revenge (Don't care for racing games, not sure why i have it)

Darkstalkers (One reason I'd keep my psp)

SOCOM: Fire Team Bravo (Haven't played enough...but didn't enjoy what I played)

Virtua Tennis (Boring)

GTA: Liberty City Stories (Tired of the GTA series in general)

X-Men Legends II (why didn't I get the console version?)

So yeah, as you can see...I'm not enjoying it.

So what I'm asking is, are there any games that will make me want to play my PSP? Are there any games coming out that I should wait for?

I really want some RPGs.

# April 22, 2007 The end of the PSP? — Guest 2007-02-15 18:25

Maybe I'm making the situation sound a lot worse than it really is but... On April 22, 2007 Pokemon Diamond/Pearl comes out. I personally am a diehard fan of the PSP (Any handheld that can play Final Fantasy 7 is a friend of mine) and with its versitility to play hombrew. (Not to mention the impressive next-gen graphics you see in games like Tekken: Dark Resurection or Monster Hunter PSP) The PSP has been neck-n-neck with the DS for awhile now, but this time...

I'll say it again, On April 22, 2007 Pokemon Diamond/Pearl comes out. The release of the game can be summurized in few short words.

I bought a DS solely for this game, and if you have the money and are interested in Pokemon in the slightest, you should too. by Platinum Sonic 10

If anyone else is like the pokemon fan above the DS's sales will skyrocket!

The question is will this be the end of the PSP? Or will Sony try even harder to compete with Nintendo? We can only speculate until the day the game is released in the US but for now let us hope a video game that is able to compete with Pokemon Diamond/Pearl comes out on the PSP.

And if so...what's that game gonna be? 0_0

# help — Guest 2007-02-15 18:28

i know this doesnt belong in this section but is there a downgrader for 3.03 without using gta lcs

# MY GAMING HISTORY: Atari2600->NES/C64->SNES/AMIGA->PS/N64->PS2/PC->PSP/DS/PS3/WII/PC — Guest 2007-02-15 19:24

anonymous nor any "xboxfanboy" will not put me off from ps3 when we get it next month..

Why i want a PS3

i want metal gear 4

i want Final fantasy XIII

i want Singstar ps3 (devoloped in england)

and i want my wipeout ps3 (devoloped in england)

and i hope that no one else who is looking forward to these great games would even consider what some **anonymous** wank thinks.

i dont want a xbox360 (im not a big fps fan/i have a pc/and plan to get a ps3 which i will play those multiplatformer s)

i already have a wii (ill buy SSB and metroid, though im getting disjointed by the game releases of late warioware my arse.. )

i will buy a ps3 because of the awesome games, (i loved so much on my ps1/2)

back to rogue galaxy...

# im not concerned... — Guest 2007-02-15 19:32

we see a lot of articles like this. i don't know about the ps3 yet, but the PSP will be just fine for the time being. Even if the best games are from japan.

# Boy are you desperate... — Guest 2007-02-15 19:40

Pokemon won't kill the PSP. If Pokemon on N64/GC didn't kill Sony/MS/Sega consoles....please. This is just a matter of waiting. I mean, a single game hasn't/can't and won't kill a console/handheld. Nintendo needs more than that. We never know what things both sides are cooking anyways.

# Bunch of BS — Guest 2007-02-15 19:55

Let's call it the WiiCube

# to Blizzard: — Guest 2007-02-15 19:55

You are as short-sighted as that 'anonymous' developer (he claims to be a 'developer' anyways, we never know who's behind the curtains). You have to see the PS3 will not stay expensive forever. You and those...developers...are acting like the PS3 will never rise because they had a slow start. Heck every console had a slow start (except the Wii because it's an enhanced GameCube and so they shipped more units). Once Sony starts pumping out more games and cut the price they will be fine. Rest assured that price won't last for long. Sony knows they have to lower the price of the 60GB unit, they are not stupid.

Sony always had complex processors and look at where they are, at the top. Lazy devs is another topic. You talk a lot about sony-risks because of sales and price figures....current figures so let's look beyond the current (and normal) situation. Yeah I say normal because even the 360 had a slow start (and im not even mentioning their technical problems...that even my brother's 360 recently suffered the Ring of Death and he brought that one as recently as November 29).

Just dont count Sony out just yet, it is too early to tell.

# eyetoy — lansingone 2007-02-15 20:01

isn't eyetoy being developed in UK?

# lol — Guest 2007-02-15 20:02

So true. I won't upgrade just yet. Too many programs which don't work there yet. I saw a demo of it and...I felt I was controlling just another tweaked Windows XP in my opinion. It's not that o_o

# Same here — Guest 2007-02-15 20:08

Topics like this are discussed everywhere it's so old and boring. Just wait until 2008 so we can start judging each console (especially the pick of the moment: PS3) people.

# Idiot — Guest 2007-02-15 20:41

What idiot wrote this.

"There are virtually no PSP or PS3 games being developed in the UK."

PS 3 Developers, from the top of my head

Motorstorm - UK

Heavenly Sword - UK, Cambridge

F1 - UK, Liverpool

3 huge games, sure there is many more.

# Correction — Guest 2007-02-15 20:43

"Given that Team Ico of Shadow of the Colossus fame has just announced that they're working on a PS3 project, we're pretty sure that you folks have a lot to say to MrTummy."

Uhm...Team ICO is owned by Sony. It's a subhouse of SCEI, just like Polyphony.

# JD — Guest 2007-02-15 20:51

JD, you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop confusing those that know less than you.

# blue ray + death — Guest 2007-02-15 20:53

blue ray will be like betacam, a dead format. porno industries already choose HD format, and porno is 40% of the market. Sony lost the competition. I'm sorry I like sony but mobile are expensive, MS stick is expensive, PSP is expensive, vaio is expensive. ok the quality is high but not so far from the others. I like my psp but too complex, too copyright, too money... I hope they drop the prices and give users more freedom, I would like to have only SD card, or being able to play mp3 in my walkman intesead of their format...

# Get the point? — Guest 2007-02-15 21:03

I am also an anonymous developer working in games studio in the UK midlands. We are actually kicking off a number of exciting projects. The only concern we have is the ease to piracy on the PSP however as far as potential goes, the PSP is generations ahead of the DS. This quite simply allows us to realise our ideas that much better.

# wait... — Guest 2007-02-15 21:04

You forget the DS. That thing is pretty bad-ass.

# re — Guest 2007-02-15 21:07

The DS has became a phenomenal. It is set to surpass the PS2 install base in Japan before the year is up, and is looking to become the best selling gaming system of all time, even surpassing Sony's PS2 "sold" totals of 100+ or whatever they are gloating about now.

# heh — Guest 2007-02-15 21:07

Reminds me of all those lamer Visual BASIC 6 'programmers' who were up in arms over the move the Visual BASIC.net. Some old dogs have such a feeble grasp on computing that they can't learn new tricks. I've been a C++/asm coder for 20 years and I can't wait to do some coding on the PS3 to learn about it's potential.

# Yeah right — Guest 2007-02-15 21:09

"PS3 still showing signs of another Sega Saturn."

And the Wii is showing signs of another GameCube... literally!

# fanboys... — Guest 2007-02-15 21:10

It's funny how fanboys just scream n00b when someone says something that they don't like...

Why would devs choose PS3 over some other console? Programing is difficult, it takes more time to do it, and time is money... And then again, if they do make game for PS3, how large is potential market? Since there aren't that many consoles out, not so big... It's more profitable to make game for PS2 then PS3... Sony should have waited to have more consoles before they began the sale, at least that way potential PS3 game market would have been bigger.

It's all about money, and not your "zOmG, PS3 rOxXxorzz!!1!11!!! attitude...

# Programming — Guest 2007-02-15 21:15

I remember back when PS2 started out and devs whinged that the EE was hard to program. Look at what that whinging turned into = Good games. This nobhead just wants to take a stab at PS3 because

A) its technically a better machine that the Wii and XB360

B) Sony will again hold its place as a gaming giant.

I find it amusing how people bash Sony and say that they suck. Well I would disagree with that as Sony seem to be more focused on innovation and pushing the industry forward as opposed to Microsoft and Nintendo. I dont see how the XB360 (which is basically a graphics charged PC) and the Wii (well honestly wtf is it anyway? If i wanted to play tennis, id much rather swing a real racked than a pissy little remote) push the industry forward. Microsoft's hardware is all out sourced, and mainly just PC parts, which means they really put fk all effort into it and just wanted to push a console out the door before everyone else, Nintendo.. well Wii was just a sign from them saying 'We cant compete so we will back out' and Sony took all their profits and efforts and created a revolutionaly processor along with Toshiba and IBM, created a new data medium (Blueray) and threw it all into a killer console.

To me thats worth my money.

# @g — Guest 2007-02-15 21:17

Sorry, but you are a muppet! Porn IS on blu-ray. Go and do some searches. I know for a fact that Japanese adult studios are bringing out titles now on blu-ray, go to dmm.co.jp for proof. Now consider the new distribution channel for porn: THE WEB. NOT disc! That wasn't around in the beta vs VHS world. Also, bluray is outsellin HD DVD significantly now. So stop being an automaton and face the facts that your HD DVD player hanging off the side of your 360 is about to become a useless paperweight. But never fear, after some psychotheraphy and counselling and you should be able to pull through.

# @Vietone's Boyfriend — Guest 2007-02-15 21:19

Pot, kettle, black: you realise that Nintendo is also a corporate name don't you?

# No — Guest 2007-02-15 21:44

Hi Josh. No, there's not. Don't you think if there was it would have been FRONT PAGE NEWS BY NOW?

I know you're stupid, but try, really TRY in the future to be less stupid. It's hard, but breath in and out lots, you'll get it.

# PS2 launch to PS3 launch — Guest 2007-02-15 21:55

Any one notice how the PS2 had a near identical launch? fairly average launch titles with one standing out and devs saying its hard to program for cause its all "new" now look at its position #1 out of all the consoles of the "next generation" and the last generation. Once 3rd part devs get more of a handel on things we will see a lot more games pop up.

Also hi to all black cats reading this post.

# Feal sorry — Guest 2007-02-15 22:16

I feal sorry for hard working devs that get boned by piracy, im no inocant my self, but if i download a game that i like i generaly go out and buy it to support the company and hope for a sequle lol! Also theres just somthing about owneing the orignal that feals good lol. Also ya gotta rember in Euro land we dont get PSP and PS2 games till ages after there realiced to the rest of the world so that drives a lot of people to piracy

# BINGO — Guest 2007-02-15 23:51

Your right, Criterion is based in Uk and BURNOUT for ps2 and ps3 + 360 are all being developed here. So that puts an end to mrtummys lousy comments he pulled out of thin air.

# Nintendo — Guest 2007-02-16 00:27

I hope all nintendo fanboys get aids and die, so they stop giving money to that sh1tty company.

Nintendo is cheap...they keep releasing the SAME SH1T over and over again, and stupid people keep buying the SAME SH1T over and over again...

# What a jerk... — Guest 2007-02-16 01:42

MrTummy = *****-Wannabe-Developer-Needing-Instructions-On-How-To-Program

What a jerk. The fact that no PSP games are being developed in UK is a sign of devs abandoning Sony??

BWAHAHAHA!!!

Almost all good DS games are coming from Japan. So the DS is pretty much doomed then, is it?

# unbricking — Guest 2007-02-16 02:14

Why dont you just put the recovery folder in the game folder and do a full recovery, then when you have a 1.5 again just put 3.10 OE on again. any recovery from any DAX release works from any of the OE series.

# This makes me laugh... — Guest 2007-02-16 02:41

The PS3 hasn't reached the ROTW yet, and yes there have been problems. But little ***** like this guy claiming to have insider knowledge really make me laugh. The PS3 is expensive, but it has a Blu-Ray player (not an extra addon like *cough* the 360). It is far more powerful. There are huge numbers of great games being developed exclusively for the system. This so-called programmer is probably just annoyed that Sony thought he was too ***** to be allowed to program for the console.

Wait and see my friends, when the PS3 hits the shelves, the ***** will hit the fan and be spread all over this guys face.

# wtf noobs — Guest 2007-02-16 03:00

"ZOMG PS3 sold ***** all"

PS2 sold more units than the PS1 during launch.

PS3 sold more units than the PS2 during launch.

Idiots.

# About those pre-orders! — Guest 2007-02-16 03:40

"And the European pre-orders are smashing everything that's gone before - um 6x the Xbox pre-orders btw"

I'm in the UK, the major shops began taking pre-orders for the 360 in August 2006, THREE MONTHS before the 360 was due to release.

http://www.i4u.com/article4066.html

Except for a few places taking pre-orders for the PS3 early, most of the major shops have only now begun to take pre-orders for the PS3, ONE MONTH before the console is due for release.

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6165898.html?sid+6165898+sid+6165898+part+rss+subj+6165898

(Change the '+' characters to the equals character in that link to make it work).

So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why the pre-order rate for the PS3 is going to be much higher!

# yep about those pre-orders — Guest 2007-02-16 04:05

um who cares when it started .. that only makes your case even worse...in a shorter period of time the have taken 6x the number of pre-orders of the 360. Even after 3 months of pre-orders nobody wanted the 360.

Imagine if they had been taken the PS3 for 3 months it would have been 18x the 360. Pretty simple really.

# you — Guest 2007-02-16 04:47

You are a F/U/C/K/I/N/G Moron

# Bell-ends — Guest 2007-02-16 04:50

Point number 1.

Bob, you really are a Grade A wanker aren't you ?

Point number 2.

When I need a really good laugh I like to come here and read how any potential problems facing Sony are due to a massive, world-wide conspiracy against them orchestrated by Microsoft / Nintendo / Al-Qaeda et all.

Bell-ends.

# Don't be stupid please. — Guest 2007-02-16 04:56

"Imagine if they had been taken the PS3 for 3 months it would have been 18x the 360. Pretty simple really."

The PS3 is breaking pre-order records for the RATE that pre-orders are coming in (1 every 20 seconds in some places), not the TOTAL number of pre-orders for the PS3, which we don't know as yet and will keep growing between now and launch.

If gamers had 3 months to pre-order, then they wouldn't have to rush all at once. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

Because the PS3 is launching next month, EVERYONE who wants to pre-order the console are doing so NOW. Whereas if pre-orders started a few months ago, the pre-orders would have been spread out more.

It's common sense.

# come on liar, use your head — Guest 2007-02-16 05:19

i can't wait for the PS3. i've been waiting like many gamers in europe just to preorder it, and finally i've been able to preorder from amazon. i would have done this long ago if i could, so faulty towers is right, cause we've all rushed to get our orders in before the launch next month.

stop being a fanboy and try being a fan. ok?

# OMG mad, do some research — Guest 2007-02-16 05:28

First, its HDMI, and second. Neither the x360 hd-dvd or ps3 blueray output TrueHD Audio. X360 Digital optical out vs PS3 HDMI digital audio is basically the same. Both are DD5.1 (Well Ps3 does 7.1, but not TrueHD standard) both are Dts and THX certified. If you want trueHD sound, you need a player like the HD-A1, which has 7.1 analog outputs which are TrueHD standard. The only benifts HDMI has over component is. 1. You cant output 1080p via component (on the 360, only via VGA) and you cannot upconvert macrovision protected dvds to 1080i over component, only HDMI. For a gaming system, HDMI, HD-DVD, and blueray are not needed. And do some more research on Analog vs digital data before sounding completely uneducated with comments like this " digital audio therefore less artifacts when compared to analog audio" which is false. A TrueHD analog signal is night and day better than any DD5.,7.1 dts or THX. And fyi, both the ps3 and 360 have digital outs. (Said it before, but just making sure you understand)

# Actually... — Guest 2007-02-16 05:32

the ds IS pretty badass.

# " the N64 was the greatest console ever" — Guest 2007-02-16 08:49

Are you high?

# -added info/oppinion — Guest 2007-02-16 10:21

Just to add to Blizzard's point there, as well as one or two comments made with regard to his post.

Sony actualy loses money off of every sale of a PS3(so I've heard, thus everything following is in part, based on the previous statement), in other words, they're selling the console for less than it costs them to make it. Now, this is obviously to try and get people to realise the deal that the PS3 is, and don't get me wrong, paying somewhere around 500-600 bucks for a BLU-Ray player w/console is a good deal considering that a stand-alone BLU-Ray player can cost upwards to $1000. But the point is that the PS3 is still a lot of money, and there isn't that much demand for it, at least not yet. With low or no demand means little to no sales, which, when a company is already losing money on a product, makes it impossible to lower the price. In order for the PS3 to overtake in this "war", they need exclusives, and they need the developers to make them. But if Sony needs to shell out more money (as some have claimed) to get these exclusives, then they lose more money while the PS3's price stays the same, thus in order to break even, they'd have to increase the price of their console, which is never going to happen, that would be a useful as admitting defeat before the first punch is thrown, it's corporate suicide. The only exclusives that Sony can get at little cost to themselves are their in-house development teams like Team Ico.

Someone mentioned gasoline prices and how if people are able to pay for them now, they're obviously capable of shelling-out some cash for a PS3. I honestly have to say that this statement is false. The rise in gas prices are due to the lack of crude oil. Smaller amounts of an item in high demand cause smart business people to up the price. The more demand, the more people are willing to pay. Not only that, but gasoline is absolutely necessary. Most people need it to get to their jobs, let alone anywhere else, thus, whoever decides what price gas should be during x-amount of time, will up the price, because in this day and age, it's almost as necessary as food. If your family doesn't need to use the car to make a weekly grocery(or however often you go to buy food), then you're one of the lucky ones.

Bottom line is: Gas is a must. Everyone needs it to run their cars. What do people "need"(I use that term loosely of course, everyone has different levels of need) a PS3 for? Nothing realy. It's not a part of must-have living.

As far as HD-DVD vs BLU-ray, my take is that, until a universal format is decided, the little man who can't realy afford to pay 600+ for anything at one time, will wait. There's no point in investing in either format if there's a chance that your format of choice gets nocked-off a month down the line.

# gta — Guest 2007-02-16 11:02

well ther is a top game thats made in scotland(edinbu rgh by rockstar north) grand theft auto the thing is that rockstar leeds is making PSP games and rockstar north is concentrating on the accual series originated by ropckstarnorth ( allthought rockstar north is help rockstar leeds with the stories series)

# lol, Drugs — Guest 2007-02-16 13:52

Yea I'm high, got a problem with it?!

Also, N64 owned, It was seriously the only reason why consoles have become such big business.

# ... — Guest 2007-02-16 14:19

all i can say is that the evidence is clear that this is in fact belivable and all i can see is a mush between the saturn and the neo*geo remember that the system it's self was incredably powerful(ringin g any bells?) but the price tag was insane(hmm sounds familier) but was not that hard to program for since the console was just a smaller version of an arcade.......a console mame emu is a perfect example now i say that the saturn is in it to becuase it was a pain in the ass to program for and is also a pain in the ass to emulate if you look at it from a developers point of view or any view relly then if you start on a project and you think it will be easy but end up finding out that it is going to be way harder than you thought it was going to be how much longer are you going to work on that said project?? point proven

# About Nintendo — Guest 2007-02-16 18:27

Nintendo stands for no-friend-O. An for a long time they have been bothering customers with lousy systems, I seriously don't know how they are still making money. Probably from all the younger customers, and people who buy it for young ones.

And I dont know whats up with those controllers, are they triying to tire us out?

Silent_volume@h otmail.com

# They are all equal? — Guest 2007-02-16 18:34

It happened to Nintendo, remember when they had cartridges and Sony had CD's.

I think Sony is playing it's own "game".

Jeez just wait for a new system update, and you "devs" may just get happier.

Who knows maybe Sony will send out people to aid these slighty challenged (stupider) devs into making new games.

# you know what sony could be doing? — Guest 2007-02-16 18:40

I think Sony is trying to beat the Wii with its PSP alone, then when they do that they could harsh upgrade the PS3 firmware.

# Something dumb i thought of... — Guest 2007-02-16 18:43

Xbox buys out its own systems to show how many are being sold. They have XBox live to earn income to buy out more of their own systems.

This is all random thoughts I was thinking of... sorry if it sounds stupid, which it does.

# To Dybbuk — Guest 2007-02-16 18:51

Your sure are sarcastic for an idiot who types stuff on a video game site Dybbuk.

As a gamer I am mad, have some damn spirit.

Really why are you on this site?

Besides if they released the best system right away, other makers would copy and they wouldn't be able to beat the competitors because they just used there best weapon.

So I will waste my money, once the newer systems come out and the recent ones become cheaper... Peace.

# buying systems online — Guest 2007-02-16 18:54

Dont buy systems online. They could be bugged. I have heard of people installing useless parts that do nothing and only drain power of your console. Over time the console will break down and not work right.

# Sony says: — Guest 2007-02-16 19:00

To all game developers. Tell us and show us your games when they are completed. We will pay you extra money to not release them and keep adding extras to your titles. We plan to make a huge release and kick other console's asses.

# meh.. — Guest 2007-02-17 03:29

did he forget... KILL ZONE 2 (or 3) which is taken as secret weapon of sony in online communities which is developed by Gurella THE UK based company...

This guy is idiot and dun believe, unless he comes out and proves who the hell he is.

# ... — Guest 2007-02-18 18:04

Yes. The point was that TeamICO made great games for the PS2. Mr Tummy says that the developers are leaving the PS3 and that there won't be any "great" games for the console...

# How would anyone know? — Guest 2007-03-01 13:34

Explain to me unless this DEV watches over ALL THE OTHER DEVS, how he knows that people are abandoning it? This is some pretty retarded news, considering the amount of slander (There are virtually no PSP or PS3 games being developed in the UK. ) and a bland summary of this posts "Sony Products" when they only talk about the Ps3, this post can be considered alot of lies.

# FOR THE RECORD — Guest 2007-03-01 13:40

PSP: Photos Music Movies Games Web

DS: Games Web(Maybe movies in the future)

PSP doesn't really have 'awesome games', sorry, they're good though.

DS: Your RPG God Gaming System on the Go!

Seriously, the DS does have a great library, the good ones and """"majorities"""" in my mind are RPGs though.

But Sorry to say to get your use out of the PSP you have to know what you're doing(or can do in this case).

As for the DS, I await for FFXII-2~

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Anonymous developer claims devs are abandoning Sony products

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