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Q&A: In-Stat on Handheld Wars -- PSP and DS

Posted Sep 13, 2006 at 4:52AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: Interviews, Opinions & Analysis Tags: Atari, interviews, Japan, N-Gage, Sony

In the battlefield of handheld consoles, it seems that only two have remained standing and unscathed: the DS and PSP.

Gamasutra talks with Brian O'Rourke, Senior Analyst for the Converging Markets and Technologies Group at market analyst group In-Stat, about the duopoly of the aforementioned consoles in the handheld market and what has allowed them to stay on top. Attempts of the Nokia N-Gage, Tapwave Zodiac, and Gizmondo has proved to be futile and O'Rourke predicts that the DS and PSP will continue to sell well into 2010.

According to O'Rourke, the DS will continue to outship the PSP because of the former's success in the Japanese market. But he believes that Sony will try to win not only Japan but also all major regions by the fourth quarter of this year by cutting down the price of the PSP. Whether the PSP entertainment bundle will be effective in "keeping up" with DS sales remains unclear.

O'Rourke's report/forecast on handheld shipments and revenues up to 2010 was based on in-depth interviews with manufacturers and software publishers. In the interview, O'Rourke shares with Gamasutra his findings and what it would mean for the PSP and DS in the years to come. Let us run by the topics discussed:

Why the DS has outsold the PSP: O'Rourke says that the DS's shipment advantage has been overstated, because by the end of 2005, the PSP outshipped the DS on a worldwide basis. However in 2006, the DS outshipped the PSP for two reasons: 1) DS is selling better than the PSP in Japan and 2) Nintendo has been more successful with game software for their handheld than Sony has been with theirs. Case in point: the Nintendogs and Brain Games franchises. O'Rourke says that the success of these franchises helped sell more DS units.

On other companies' failure in the handheld market: O'Rourke says that the reason why most companies fail to stay on the handheld market is that they focus too much on graphics and see it as the most important aspect of their consoles. He gives the Atari and NEC as examples of Nintendo's competitors that had superior graphic performance but did not succeed. According to him, what's more important is strong software support and recognizable characters that appeal to the pre-teen and early teen market. O'Rourke further adds that this is where Nintendo has been successful in tapping into.

Where Sony went wrong: O'Rourke sees two particular reasons why the DS seems to be more successful than the PSP: 1) the PSP costs more than the DS, with a 70-dollar price difference. 2) Nintendo has created more breakout titles for the DS than Sony has with their PSP. However, he makes it clear that he is not bringing down the PSP in any way and that we should keep in mind that the PSP has been a successful product and will continue to be. He also says that publishers will continue to stand by the PSP in the years to come.

Now that's what he thinks. How about you, which do you prefer - a DS or a PSP? Us? We have both!

Via Gamasutra

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it seems that systems that have means of allowing a user to gain access to it's firmware through common media (usb,wifi,hardr ive, memorystick etc...) always do poorer then the systems that do cartridge based (Nintendo)...

hmmmmmm ... geee... i wonder if nintendo's sales are up only because people have no choice to buy their merchandise opose to downloading it...

I think piracy is where companys go wrong, and nintendo always seems to find better ways of blocking people out then it's competitors.

# Guest 2006-09-13 06:03

i have two psp's and am very satisfied with them. i won't say which system is better because that is for each individual to decide for himself/herself. they are both good systems and enjoyment can be had from either.

# Guest 2006-09-13 06:06

I own both a DS and a PSP, and like them both for different reasons. If I was a pure gamer, I -might- like the DS a bit more, but even then there are games on PSP that I like more than any game on DS (like Colin Mcrae Rally 05). The fact that I can do more non-gaming stuff on the PSP is a big deal to me, though, so over-all I'm a fan of the PSP.

# Cum — Guest 2006-09-13 06:25

"O'Rourke's report cum forecast " Someone's mind's in the gutter.

# Moron — Guest 2006-09-13 06:27

"hmmmmmm ... geee... i wonder if nintendo's sales are up only because people have no choice to buy their merchandise opose to downloading it..." - lead2gold

The DS is actually easier to pirate for. You can buy a DS Passcard and flash cart and games will work from then on out.

The PSP's problem is it donesn't offer much aside from the millions of PS2 ports of long games. Portable systems need great pick up and sit em' down games like Exit and Loco Roco, but just having two games like those doesn't make your sysetm sucessful.

# nintendo the f#u#c#k#e#r#s — Guest 2006-09-13 06:28

i dont buy a ds because there are too much games for kids and probably only 3 games that are ineresting for me.

the psp is a lot of better because there i can play nice games before the games are at a shop without paying and i can watch movies what i want of my pc or look tv with wifi

there are a lot of more reasons for psp,

dont know why so much japanese by the ds *****

# I have 2 of each — Guest 2006-09-13 06:41

I have 2 psp's 1 with 2.7 firmware and one with 1.5. I also have a white and black ds lite. Both are great systems but I play my ds lite a lot more. Castelvania DoS is one of the best games for any system and its the main reason I prefer my ds. Nintendo just has a stronger lineup of games. If Sony would stop releasing ports and make some original stuff it would be very close.

# oh horray — Guest 2006-09-13 06:45

ignorant fanboy comments go

# hahahaha — Guest 2006-09-13 06:52

O'Rourke is a fook!

# Guest 2006-09-13 06:56

A decent report. The DS is basically a N64ish palm hybrid used for more experimental games than traditional. It went for a new innovative approach that hit it off with the locals big and everyone else well. The psp on the other hand offered the same playstation experience you already know for the go. The psp wasnt trying to do anything that would make a major change in the gaming experience, it just offered a few more features for the go (movies, music, etc). Its been over a year and the library is getting pretty good, the PS2 at its launch took a year or two to build some gaming steam. I dont forsee the psp ever knocking the DS out in japan it seems to fill a real niche there. But I do see it doing quite well as the library grows and the price eases down taking that barrier away from those who felt the price was out of their budget.

In short, neither one is going away any time soon. The psp will never beat ds in japan and not any time soon if that does ever happen. But I believe something has been accomplished that was necessary, an established rival in portable market. At its best this will achieve a Nin Vs. Sega situation where some of the greatest games ever were made which benifits both systems and all of us who enjoy them.

# Sigh... — Guest 2006-09-13 07:07

Its always the same, PSP ROXXX, PSP SUXXX....

Sometimes I wonder... Who is the ignorant fanboy?

From a general perspective, I would say that the DS has been a much greater success than the PSP for many reasons, Fun Original games, Innovative features, such as the Mic, and Touchscreen, You guys have heard all this before.

The PSP on the otherhand, is a media powerhouse, capable of generating jawdropping graphics and show them flawlessly at an amazingly high resolution. The PSP however has not had its fair share of fun innovative games, most of which are nowhere near original. Its an unfair weakpoint thats only further crippled by loading times. The PSP has amazing potential, but the developers have to get off their lazy ass, and start making the software right, and show that the PSP can also be worthwhile as a true Portable Gaming Device, as well as a general multimedia handheld.

Ultill then my heart remains with Nintendo, who has never let me down since the beggining.

And before flame wars begin, let me say that this is my opinion, and I respect the PSP, and I hope the developers pick up the pace, and replenish the faded glory of the PSP.

# There are some more serious factors... — Guest 2006-09-13 07:07

I used to own a PSP, the fact that people who paid for PSP warranties were being told to live with defects and often beingff told to buy a new PSP when their PSP breaks down along with the fact that I felt alienated by all these forced firmware updates (which in many cases were unnecessary for running the game) caused me to trade in my PSP and buy a Nintendo DS.

Seriously, if a company does not respect its customers then why put up with them?

# p*wned — Guest 2006-09-13 07:10

I'm sick & tired of this DS>PSP thing. I'm gonna get a DS & see for myself what the hype is all about. I have a PSP and a ton of games, so far im not using it as much as I did before and I'm pretty much bored with it right now, so I've been thinking about the DS lately.

# DS if ur a kid. — Guest 2006-09-13 07:17

If your like 10 years old you probably will llike DS.

PSP is so much better hands down.

# HAHAH — Guest 2006-09-13 07:28

HAHAHA i perfore a psp with 1.50 cuz i can use nintendo game's like snes and n64 and like a couple off ds game's take that nintendo lol hahah if sony let us upgrade and downgrade any time we want i bet u that sony would have out sold the ds a long long @$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ time ago but no sony and there *****ing bull ***** and another reason cuz sony is fighting Nintendo and the Hombrew community so sony has more on there hand's than Nintendo they have a ps3 and a ps2 to take care off and a psp so it's kind off hard to do that what does Nintendo have to do ***** ept think up idea's for there ds which me i have a PSP and a DS lite i perfer my PSP A PSP IS FOR MORE MATURE PEOPLE AND A DS TAKE'S CARE OFF LITTLE KID'S AND THERE IS A ***** LOAD OFF KID'S IN THIS WORLD LOL BUT MY POINT IS IF SONY PUT THERE BASIC PSP PACK THAT COST 200 TO $150 AND THERE VALUE PACK TO $200 AND THERE ONE GIG PACK TO $250 THEN THEY PROBLEY MAKE MORE MONEY DUHH GOSH GOSH GOSH THEY DONT THINK

SORRY 4 THE SPELLING

# Huh! who's the kid! — Guest 2006-09-13 07:29

Hey I'm not 10 if I was I wouldn't be able to afford both portable systems. The PSP hasn't been able to bring new experience to the table that's why i'm considering a DS. As I said I have a bunch of games and so far most are not fun and just plain lame they just put steroids in the graphics that's all. I'm looking for innovation not what I was expecting when I bought it, everything seems to be poor ports of games I have already played. But the new games that aren't ports I do enjoy, until I finish it but after that most have no replay value.

# got 'em both — Guest 2006-09-13 07:30

I like both systems and they both have advantages. I like the PSP mainly because of all the homebrew available without buying flashcarts and increased processing power allows much better emulators. The DS lite is smaller, lighter, is backward compatible, and has cheaper games. Not many games make good use of 2 screens, but the touch screen is a great interface and better than PSP's crappy analog stick.

# "How about you, which do you prefer - a DS or a PSP?" — Guest 2006-09-13 07:31

Isn't it rather dangerous to ask that question? It's just begging for lots of insecure PSP fanboys to post about how the DS "is teh kiddeh" etc. These of course would be the same PSP owners who keep singing the praises of "kiddie" Loco Roco and wetting themselves whenever the SNES or N64 emulators are updated...

Both the DS and PSP have sold millions, neither machine is going anywhere for at least 5 years. So why do PSP owners keep having to belittle the DS? I'm guessing it's to compensate for some sort of insecurity over the size of their manhoods...

# ContrAss 2006-09-13 07:42

In the news today, Square just came out and said they're releasing a FFXII spin off for the DS and a original title also for the DS. Honestly, sony needs to pull its head out of it's ass and make square build some friggin games for it. I'm starting to hate all the press the DS and wii are getting.

# You guys are idiots — Guest 2006-09-13 07:52

The PSP has tons of good games out:

Syphon Filter Dark Mirror,

Monster Hunter Freedom,

GTA LCS,

Wipe out pure,

Lego Star Wars 2!,

Loco Roco,

EXIT,

Burn Out,

Socom Fire team Bravo,

and many more.

Their are also many coming out:

Socom FTB 2,

GTA VCS,

Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops,

Monster Hunter Freedom 2!!!!!,

Gran Turismo (maybe lol),

Metal Slug Anthology!!!!,

Metal of Honor!!!,

Call of Duty!!!,

Silent Hill!,

and many many more.

You guys who say the PSP has no good games are idiots.

# . — Guest 2006-09-13 08:34

If there was no such thing as a 1.5 psp than i would have got a DS. Without homebrew (and socom) the psp would suck but since i got homebrew i enjoy my psp alot more.

# ??? — Guest 2006-09-13 08:39

Where Sony went wrong: O'Rourke sees two particular reasons why the DS seems to be more successful than the PSP: 1) the PSP costs more than the DS, with a 70-dollar price difference. 2) Nintendo has created more breakout titles for the DS than Sony has with their PSP

oh really? DS only have 3 years old games and crappy graphics while psp have better games like socom, teken, aces high, metalgear portable ops(comming Soon) and better graphics

DSL SUCKS ASS

there is no need to compare

# #24 — Guest 2006-09-13 08:41

you forgot tekken, def jam, twizted metal, worms, and star wars.

And who the f*ck is this guy, why does his opinion mean more than something id pass through my a$$ cheeks. It doesnt, and why are you posting this on a PSP site, do you like watching flame wars you dumb pr*cks. THINK!

DS has sold more for one reason, its cheaper. Games, graphics, universallness, has nothing to do with it. The system is cheaper, the accessories are cheaper, the games are cheaper. If a parent goes out and sees 2 handhelds, that both play video games, and one is 130, and the other is 200. what do you think theyre going to buy?

Stop over analyzing it, and stop posting this same sh*t, every month you guys post almost the same thing. And it always gets the same responce. A bunch of morons trying to defend the system they purchased. PSP fans, go take a look at the DS page, look at the patheric exuse for posts they have

"women in california makes mario cake!" is theyre most exiting post. while we get "full speed GBA emulator realeased."

# green grass!!! — Guest 2006-09-13 08:52

So is the grass greener on the other side? It's just a matter of opinion. I've had playstayion since I,II, and now psp and every single game imaginable and it's getting quite old maybe they should innovate and stop focusing on the power of the system.

# psp is king — Guest 2006-09-13 08:53

psp is the best portable machine ever made,ds sucks big time

# Have both — jaydogg691 2006-09-13 08:58

I own both the PSP and DS. They are both great handheld systems with each having thier own unique features. I acutally prefer PSP than the DS. Even though the PSP doesn't have that a lot of orignal title, it atracts me more because it has games that attract me. The PSP is suppose to attract more mature audience than the DS. That doesn't mean I don't like the DS games, the Mario games are my favorite. The DS has some great games, but I just don't get the same experince as my PSP.

# Gee, I dont Know — Guest 2006-09-13 09:05

My average PSP day may include watching a streaming video via pmpstreamer, listening to RSS podcasts, homebrew sudoku, smg, links browser, sometimes PSP Radio at night (again files streamed from my pc), controling my PC with VNC, play a few ISO games, or launch my UMD disk.

go Nintendo dogs!

# @24 — Guest 2006-09-13 09:08

Yeah, those are all good games, and so are the PS2 versions too...and that's the point, about 3 of the games in that list were made from scrach, the rest are halfass ports. Yeah they are fun, but if you don't like playing games that are 90% copies of the previous console version then they arn't very fun. I've had a PSP and I love it, BUT, if I had owned a PS2 (which I did not) I would not have enjoyed it half as much. IMO you should change a game, it should evolved (like Castlevania for the DS), unlike games for the PSP (GTA, wooo, they added motorcycles! New map plz?)

# HELLER?! — Guest 2006-09-13 09:12

Why choose? A person is entitled to get both. I have both and I enjoy them very much. Many people also own both.

PSP has great potential despite the UMD crippling it. The DS is just fun on the go. For me, they are both doing their job. I paid for them to entertain me on my train ride to work and they do just that. If you like one over the other, fine. Buy what you want. Trying to make the other look bad because you don't have it (even if you don't really want it) is just uneccessary.

Happy gaming folks!

P.S.

A gamer is a gamer.

# Guest 2006-09-13 09:19

Stupid fanboys.

-DSUCKS!!! HAAHA PSPOWNORZZZZ!!! HAHA-

You're petty. Why are you calling Nintendo childish, while you're the one's who are acting as little children?

# Jay Knows! — Guest 2006-09-13 09:20

Jay Leno knows what he is talking about (#24)! The PSP has MANY amazing games, and people who say that the games are lacking are either: 1. No longer enjoying video games in general, and therefore you should sell all of your games on ebay so that I can buy them. 2. Have no money to buy any recent games that have come out to realize how good the games are.

And another things: Most of the ports that I've played have been fantastic! You people need to learn how to enjoy games, and quit being fanboys to Nintendo's hold on you, reigning back from when you were a wii lil boy

# PSP for adults — Guest 2006-09-13 09:33

PSP is just a superior system. It's more than the PS2 and Gamecube combined. DS tends to be a children's system. Nintendo for the most part makes children's games. And the DS's graphics are not quite N64 either. Get with the times, people!

# h0mi 2006-09-13 09:41

The mistakes sony made? The PSP is trying to be a multimedia device while using 2 different proprietary formats (UMD and Pro Duo) with limited or no compatibility with other products. I can't use that UMD on anything else, and (most) other Sony products can't write or read pro duo sticks without adapters. If I already have a bunch of memory sticks for my camera, I _cant_ use it in the PSP AFAIK. (If sony were smart, they'd probably stick with Pro Duo for their new devices.) Then there's those hoops you have to jump through to play video on this thing (from the memory stick; UMD is obviously easy). On my treo with TCPMP, all I need is to copy a file to the SD card and as long as tcpmp supports it (tcpmp supports AVI, Matroska, MP4, Ogg Media and ASF), it will play on my treo without having to resize anything. With the PSP, it has to rename, resize and convert it, and then copy it to the right place on the card. There's software that does this for you but it costs extra (unless you use PSP9) and even with PSP Video 9, it's still not as easy as just copying files to h:\ or wherever, and takes time.

# uhh — Guest 2006-09-13 09:43

uhh i think i prefer the psp..

# Guest 2006-09-13 09:46

im a gamer so i own them both the more games better

# Got an Idea — Guest 2006-09-13 10:28

Let's make a request for MTV to make a celebrity deathmatch PSP VS. DS lets see whoo wins.

# Guest 2006-09-13 10:32

***** yall ds sucks balls

# Blaming piracy again?! — Guest 2006-09-13 10:40

HAHA, that's rich... As if Sony needs any help *****ing up their future...

Look, the reason the DS does better is because it has better games. People are willing to pay for them. It's so goddamn simple.

The reason the PSP still sells *at all* is because of homebrew, and the fact that it's a multimedia machine.

# what happened to enjoying games.... — ffaldkja 2006-09-13 11:10

i mean, i could sit down right now and play mario, or what ever. No new expereince or anything. It use to be you got a system for the games, not because it promises some new experience. If you want to be wowed by new ways to play a game then go for it, when all the bases are coverd then youll just have to look forward the games you like again. Innovative games are fun and fine and bring in something new to the table, but always asking for something new and innovative spoils you, you dont immerse yourself into games as well anymore, you dont enjoy them as much. Why?

Oh and the psp doesnt sell because of homebrew, it takes 1% of the community if that, how many million psp have been sold so far? how long did qj take to get its millionth unique hit. It sells for games, functions, and name. Homebrew is unknown still to many consumers out there.

After looking back on All of sony's '***** ups', yeah its worded weird and possibly scares or sounds stupid to most, but alot of parts are crypitc and political. The functions of the ps3 were fully announced during 2005's e3 including tilt, hints go a long way. The revisions they had from the unessicary to the needed were announced. Alot of it ignored and overlooked. The price, understandable, id rather get the full package up front than a lil here and there. Its functions, if they did anything less than the psp youd ***** anyways. Bluray, its for devs to expand their playground, plain and simple. Sonys mistake, thinking people were smarter than what they are.

# This guy is a mega ultra retard!! — Guest 2006-09-13 11:34

Who cares about what he thinks, hes just another idiot to me.

The psp cost 70 dolars more becouse its better, better performance, better graphics, better screen, better sound, the only reason why people prefer the DS is becouse since nintendo has been in the marked of handhelds for so long, they think its better. The Ds is good but i just cant stand some idiot trying to make another DS vs PSP argument.

So stick your stylus up your ass.

# enjoying games — Guest 2006-09-13 11:37

hey if you enjoy your mario so much why did you buy your psp isn't it for the new experience.

# PSP SuperFan — Guest 2006-09-13 11:57

The PSP is the BEST!!! I have one with 2.81 firmware. The only problem with it is that many people don't know how to put songs, pictures, and videos on it. Many of the people I know that have PSP don't. I had to help my friend with his. The DS sucks! I still can't understand why many people buy it. My 3 cousins have a DS so I know what I'm talking about. It doesn't have many features. The PSP has music, videos, pictures, an internet browser, RSS, memory sticks, homebrew, flash, javascript, a camera(coming soon), GPS(coming soon), a Mic(coming soon), PS1 backward copatibility(co ming soon), and firmware updates that give the PSP more features. All the DS has is the Mic, touchscreen, cheaper price, better games and backward compatibility with GBA games. The PSP can even get all those features. A microphone is coming out Nov. 17 for it, a touchscreen can be attached to the USB port (theoreticly), Sony can drop the price of the PSP, DS games can be emulated with hombrew or recreated using its flash capabilities, GBA games can be emulated with homebrew or recreated using its flash capabilities, and the PSP will also get backward compatibility with PS1 games. My motto is: "The PSP is a must, the DS is a bust". I think the DS is worthless. PSP RULES!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

# AGREE — Guest 2006-09-13 12:28

i agree with you

# Oh brother — Guest 2006-09-13 12:30

Sony can be an ***** and mean company ever that refused reduce the price but I will get both because of some games I liked that are not for NDS. Yeah, I will get both!

Thanks a lot, Sony. You ***** bastard, Sony! See what you have done to me. I have to buy it, damn it! YOU *****! :)

# Idiots!!! — Guest 2006-09-13 13:06

You people are Idiots one moment your'e bashing SONY whenever there's a FW update and making fun of them whenever it gets hacked and NOW you are F*ckin defending it like you love the machine so much. You guys need to get a life!!!

# *****gots — Guest 2006-09-13 13:16

The DS is for kiddies and paedophiles... so which are you?

# Guest 2006-09-13 13:44

Im A PSP LOVER HMMMMMMMMM SEXXY

# Smart Dumb Guy — Guest 2006-09-13 14:07

Anyone with a Sally Struthers diploma can be an analyst. The fact that Mr. O'Rourke fails to point out is that 3rd parties eventually will give up on the PSP. I own both systems and truthfully the DS is more entertaining. I only use the PSP for the good homebrew stuff and emulators...the games I can care less about-forget about movies and music. Sure Tekken is cool but guess what? I played the same game on PS2. I started to see UMDs for 9.99 now at BestBuy and Target and it has taken too long for Sony to release Platinum hits on a machine that supposedly is successful. Sony needs to take some steps back and make the PSP a good game machine, the hardware is impressive but the lack of games hurts. GTA,MGS,Tekken, DMC,Ratchet are boring...Loco Roco,Lumines was a step in the right direction, easy to pick up and play and enjoy. All of these convoluted ports of rpgs,actions are extremely disapointing.....back to the drawing board on this one. No expensive analyst needed to state the obvious....

# erm... — Guest 2006-09-13 14:25

geez is somebody trying to stir the F*UCKING POT??????

# I choose PSP — Guest 2006-09-13 14:29

I have both a DS and a PSP. I choose the PSP because it has the games I want to play like for example Silent Hill and Metal Gear Solid. PSP is better in my opinion.

# sdfgdg — Guest 2006-09-13 14:49

"Nintendo has created more breakout titles for the DS than Sony has with their PSP"

name 5

# psp is cool — Guest 2006-09-13 14:50

PSP IS COOLER THANDS!!! DS SUCKS IN EVERY WAY.!!!GO SONY!!!!!!!!!~! !

# heh — Guest 2006-09-13 16:19

I own both,but I prefer the PSP. The DS is a fun system,but the PSP offers so much more.

PSP = Ultimate portable entertainment.

# LOL — Guest 2006-09-13 16:57

I have a question though., why is it that i only see PSP owners and "fanatics" posting with foul language and bashing the DS, while there's "barely" any DS owner doing what the other party is doing?

Is this insecurity i sense?

Or is it due to the fact that the majority of PSP owners are just sore fanboys?

You tell me. =\

RandomGuy:"Wow your 400 dollar handheld can do a lot of stuff!"

PSPFanboy:"Mhm, neat eh?"

RandomGuy:"But you know what, my 2000 dollar laptop can do better!"

Jeez people, do better than that. a number of you sound like complete imbeciles in your feat to defend the PSP.

Don't get me wrong.. the PSP is decent, but you guys make it look bad. Like seriously.

# Ports from PS2 are good from my viewpoint — Guest 2006-09-13 17:30

Having never owned any PS products, having ports from the PS2 console is great news for me.

I like the fact that I don't have to also go out and buy a PS2 just for the sake of more game selection to play. If the game companies keep putting out ports of the PS2 versions, I won't miss anything. On the other hand, for everyone else who has a PS2, well I can see their frustration, who WOULD like to play the same game over and over again?

As for the DS, well I owned one for a week, tried it, kinda liked it. I only ever had one game in the time that I owned it. I admit the game was poor (Need for Speed Underground) and it was my driving force to sell my DS. Sure it showed many innovative features but I wanted games that would keep me occupied for more that a few hours (Finished the game in two days for god's sake). Having said that I'm sure there are many good games for the DS out now. My experience was not so good.

All aside, I have spent quite a bit of money on buying a PSP, I feel a bit too much really, AU $300 for a portable game system? Too much I say. Then the games also cost like AU $60+ new. Once again too much. I'm so glad that I can at least play some homebrew (downgraded to 1.50) in the meantime whilst I save up for a few games.

As for the DS vs. PSP war, let your own gaming fingers do the deciding (as well as your wallet).

# truth laid out in bare — Guest 2006-09-13 18:21

I guess everybody agrees that the Sony fanboys are pretty much creating all the ruckus here.

Because there hasn't really been a logical argument to dispute this finding, and anybody who prefers the PSP to the DS has already seperated themselves from the Sony fanboys.

# PIRACY HELPED PSP"s DOWNFALL — Guest 2006-09-13 19:13

BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO HACK PSP THAN DS, THIEVES NOW DO NOT HAVE TO BUY GAMES, INSTEAD, THEY JUST READ PSPUPDATES WEBSITES AND STEAL PSP ISOS ONLINE. NOW, WE'RE BROKE LIKE A MUTHAPHUCKA.

STOP THE PIRACY, PHUCKERS.

# Whatever... — Guest 2006-09-13 22:20

QJ, I never complained to you before but unfortunatly, you just posted that and you knew it would bring a flame war / drama.

Anyway.

I got a PSP since the first release of it, and I am a real gamer (I got so many games there is some that I still haven't played yet). But honnestly... where are the good games on the PSP ? Depends on the tastes. Personally I think GTA is for retarded wannabe gansta that just creates problems in our society (its a video game... but we see too much of it). Also,GTA... how much is there ? I think it's about to drop that a little... Anyway. As for the other game, only a FEW are actually good...

My girlfriend got the DS, she has everything there is for the DS to play for a looong time. I gotten myself to play with the DS, and for my gamer taste, like it better. I guess I like nostaligia of my classics such as Mario and Metroid.

Really, my PSP is still here because I can run the emulators on it, but if homebrew wouldn't be possible, I would've sold it for sure. People who says that DS is for kids are mostly kids themselves, raised in an era of amazing graphics and poor storylines. Less you read, more you shoot, happier you are, aren't you ?

DS fans are not flaming PSP fans, but PSP fans are flaming the DS fans. The question is not, which console is the best, it's mostly, who are the kids... PSP fans or DS fans ? Read the comments, look who is flaming, come back and tell me.

Really, the whole "console war" whatsoever is only a stupid idea that you guys cannot get over. Different people, different taste. You don't like it ? Tell us why, I mean not like "zomg it's the suxxorz dood" I mean, go to your elementary school, learn basic spelling and sentence constructing and give us an actual opinion/argument so if there is debate to have, at least its a debate and not a flame war. If you like it ? Say it, loud and clear, but again opinions must be told properly. As easy as that. Everyone has an opinion, you have to learn how to respect it... you can't ? Leave QJ or stop commenting, we don't want to hear from ya.

Those are my two cents.

# #8 — lead2gold 2006-09-14 01:56

I won't knock that titles help sell a console, but by saying that you're only backing up my argument.

Lets see.... i'm claiming piracy is the problem.. your claiming its the titles that are made available... Have you considered that the titles being made available are sitting on your memory stick instead of your umd drive?

If game titles are what count then Sega wouldn't have went under with there console (dreamcast). It had big titles (a brutal controller though), but if i can jog your memory:

Company's take a huge profit loss with every console sold. They make up for it with the games they sell. PSP games arn't sold anymore (at least not with the generation reading these forums)... they're all torrent downloads on someones memory stick. Just as Sega's Dreamcast games (no security) were all downloadable isos without requiring a mod of any kind).

People don't kill company sales, Piracy does :)

Its funny how everyone has their own opinion, yet it's virtually impossible for them to consider anothers without making some derogatory comment about them.

# To end stupid flame war — Guest 2006-09-14 02:23

DS=good for games to pick up and put back down as fast as u picked em up. Great functionality in games, i mean, who wouldnt want to pick up a stick and control star fox or do something else in that manner. take for instance, metroid, i LOVED how you could control the camera with the "stick"

PsP=Here is a game system for the hardcore not 11 gamers, take for instance: Monster Hunter Freedom, not for the faint of heart 11 year olds, and, its really really hard to get the hang of, but once u do, u cant put it down, i got 152 hours on the game already, just bought it last month. psp has better graphics, and HOMEBREW, thank u jesus.(love the analog stick, makes up for the stick on the ds)

Ds/PsP= it just depends on prefs. if you want sorta childish games, but characters that everyone enjoys, then DS is the way to go, if you want stunning graphics with addictive games, PSP!(btw: i own a psp and a ds) preferences, preferences preferences, so just stop with the flames, its gettin hot.(cheeeeeezy)

# Guest 2006-09-14 04:44

Personally I like the psp better only because of emulators and homebrew. Without homebrew and emulators the psp sucks. Most games are just ports and they suck and cost too much money. I first bought a ds and loved it cuz it was cheap and had good games.

Then i saw psp can get emulators and crap and i bought one and never used my ds since. I just hate that ds has lots of good games but im not gonna spend 35 dollars for a game i beat in a couple days then never play anymore. Thats why i like my psp better beat one of my roms then i just play another. Basically i got over 70+ games on my psp all for free so i never get bored.

# Great posts, except some... — Guest 2006-09-14 05:35

It's idiotic to just post "DS SUCKS" without telling why you think so (Same with the PSP), but it's even MORE iditic to post, "OH WOW I KNOW SOMEONE IS GOING TO TYPE DS SUCKS WITHOUT ANY REASON." No kidding, it's inevitable for that to be said, but if so, say something about them, that's like me saying, "Oh dude I know someone is going to have conflicting views with another person." No *****. But anyway, if I didn't have a 1.5 PSP, I guarentee I would not use it 1/20 as much as I do now. Without ISOs, CSOs, emulators, it would be an inert handheld for me. I know the big thing is, DS is good 'cause of games. PSP is good for media. But I'd much rather have amazingly awesome graphics with a hi-def screen then a touch screen, 'cause when I'm traveling I just can't see myself using a mic or a stylist. Watching TV shows and movies is just awesome but like everyone else said, it's just my opinion. But great posts everyone, really.

# suckie-suckie — Guest 2006-09-14 05:52

the DS really does suck.

Its an inferior system in every way you look at it.

the only reason that it sells at all is that it taps into Nintendo's powerhouse of bestselling games....

its a simple ass system meant for those with limited technical skill (probably why you can't find many DS fans online anyway....)

Its not a BAD system, simply RIGID and INFERIOR

Touchscreen for example was a bad idea, and has seriously lame implementation.

The PSP on the other hand is FLEXIBLE. There's not much that you can't do on a PSP(except type out text, which is a *ucking pain in the ass).

movies, music, photos, online content, homebrew, GAMES (God bless analog)

Sony has really taken advantage of the processing power of the PSP (except for homebrew of course)

Sony's big boo-boos are

1)the UMD format.I have yet to find ONE person appreciative of UMDs

2)homebrew suppression. what sony should have done was to invite over homebrew apps, digitally sign them and release them to the masses.....like texas instruments for calculators....

# Piracy not as big as some believe — Guest 2006-09-14 06:25

When a company claims how much money they lost to piracy, they use a number (I'm not sure where they get the number from) that represents an approximate amount of times the program was distributed for free/or fraudulently.

Here's the problem with that. I doubt even 1% of the people that got the game for free/super cheap would have paid for the game if the only option was to buy it retail. So if they're claiming to have lost $10,000,000 to piracy they probably really lost $100,000(which still sucks for them, but isn't anywhere near what they claim)

So is it still stealing? Of course, but it's not nearly as big of a problem as the "stats" would lead you to believe.

And for the people that are saying that it's easier to pirate games for a PSP, you need to get out more.

There's not even such thing as a certan firmware needed to play GBA and NDS roms on an NDS, you just need a supercard+super key and away you go, and there are (S)NES, SMS/GG, and other emu's available for that as well. Heck if I was unable to use my 1.5 for homebrew I would have an NDS for sure.

As several other people here have said. If homebrew was not possible on the PSP, I would have sold it long ago.

# My opinion — Guest 2006-09-14 08:17

I own both a DS and a PSP. As a gaming device, the DS wins but as a media device, it's the PSP

# WHICH IS BETTAR — Guest 2006-09-14 12:38

PSP 1.5 > DS > PSP latest firmware

It's true and you know it.

# aaaaaahh...there is no point of discussion — Guest 2006-09-14 13:49

I have both......a ds and a psp....its very simple: the ds has games with less than 10 times the graphics that the psp games have, it doesnt even have music or pictures and all that stufff........cmon!!! The psp is a great version of what an ipod should be!!!....the ds its garbage!!!!so....shut up!!! there is no point of discussion between these systems....

# @ 71 — Guest 2006-09-14 19:48

Sure a powerful system is better than a non powerful one when it comes to specs, therefore the PSP is better than the DS. But when it comes to games, the PSP makes an excellent quality doorstop.

# PSP has good games — Guest 2006-09-14 20:13

I'm getting pretty sick and tired of people saying that the PSP has no good games;

Daxter

Syphon Filter Dark Mirror

Guilty Gear Judgement

Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories

Tokobot

Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max

Kingdom of Paradise

Ridge Racer

Metal Gear Solid Digital Graphic Novel

Loco Roco

Medievil Resurection

Exit

Valkyrie Profile Lenneth

Tekken Dark Resurrection

Me & My Katamari

Field Commander

Lumines

Metal Gear Acid 1 & 2

Blade Dancer Lineage of Light

Monster Hunter Freedom

Dragon Ball Z Shin Budokai

Some Upcoming Games;

Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories

Silent Hill Origins

Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops

Final Fantasy Crisis Core

Plus if you have a 1.5 PSP you get the added benefit of classic emulators and homebrew.

# wait wait wiat wait — anonymous stranger 2006-09-15 13:55

Wait wait i got one.... LETS ALL PLAY CRAPPY NINTENDOGS AND DO THINKING ACTIVITY WITH THAT DUMB DOCTOR!!! um no... psp games are getting better and better everyday... I used to hesitate... JUST A LITTLE... but now? hahaha ill keep my psp

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