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Nvidia's VP of content Roy Taylor recently granted an interview with the folks from Next-Gen, and when asked about what he thought of the notion that "graphics donÂ’t matter" in games, he replies that it's all "nonsense." (Hmm... we could have sworn that he was quoted for having said "bollocks" instead, but perhaps Next-Gen has toned it down?)According to Taylor, it is "ridiculous to say that graphics don't matter," and that it may be the equivalent of somebody saying that "the quality of my TV screen doesn't matter." He went on to say that if graphics truly were unimportant, then you should "watch '24' in black-and-white on a seven-inch screen."
Of course, this doesn't mean that Taylor is a detractor of quality gameplay. He said that "sometimes graphics have been applied, not at the expense of gameplay, but without equal consideration to [gameplay]." Instead, what he tried to point out is that both are important.
He stressed that having quality graphics is the best way for a game to elicit emotions from the player. According to him, these emotions are the basis for emotional attachment towards a game, and these emotions can reach the player more effectively if you have detailed facial expressions and character animations.
Lastly, he expressed his sentiments regarding the necessary balance between graphics and gameplay. "I think we can do a lot better, but I think we'd like to see graphics encompassing the gameplay."
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He's just a knob anyway. I'll take great gameplay over awesome gfx anyday.
Graphicks aren the key to good gameplay! Its all about that how good the game is. M*ther*****ing Nvidia! Doesn't know nothing about good gameplaying.
I agree 100% with the dude above. Pretty graphics are cool and all, but gameplay and replayability are what sells a game.
I agree with him completely.
What's this? The VP of a video card company saying graphics are the most important thing in a game? no wai!
Seriously tho, graphics don't mean *****. My favorite games are from generations long forgotten, like X-Com, Total Annihilation, and even NetHack. Maybe if all the pixel-pushing morons would quit worrying about how much jiggle boobs on their appeals-to-our-target-audience heroine I'd like some of the newer games, but all of the development time is sucked into the black hole of "OMAHGAWD WE NEED PHOTOREALISTIC (BUT STILL LOOKS LIKE ASS) GRAPHIXX!!1"
I do believe graphics are the key. Games for most people are a way to do things and enjoy things in life that you normally can't do in real life. It's an outlet for experimentation . It DOES make a difference if the game looks like real life. I don't want to 'pretend' that it's real by looking at polygon faced guys. i want to FEEL it being real...
Of nVidia will say that... THEY MAKE THE PRODUCT. Anyways taht totally not true. I choose old rts over the new shiny ones anyday but some of those new fps look nice. The psp has nice graphics but lacks gameplay, the games are.... just plain annoying to play.
As can be seen on the Wii with Miis: Limits in graphics leads to creativity.
I'll dare to assert that better graphics leads to less creativity.
i think you're right, but that's only a fault of developers, publishers and consumers - what would we rather have
a game with crummy gfx and good gameplay
or
a game with good gfx and good gameplay
i think the answer is a no-brainer. unfortunately games are simply trading on great gfx and not good enough gameplay right now... the wii is highlighting this issue by only offering chunder graphics and forcing the devs to make good gameplay.
so, for now it's one or the other, but let's not forget there are series out there which do both
my own list:
zelda, burnout, mgs, final fantasy (ff12 had good gameplay mechanic), god of war, half life 2, devil may cry 3 ... that's off the top of my head, there are others.
If the Wii had hardware that was even weaker then the Gamecube, but still had the Wii-mote would you pay to play N64 graphics with the new innovative gameplay
i think graphics are important, but you need a good balance, no point having AMAZING graphics and crap gameplay and vice versa
Wait, graphics card company saying graphics are important?! Oh my gosh they are truly unbiased!
I know that graphics are important almost as much as gameplay, but damn man. Let's get someone else to say it. Next we'll be hearing the head of Kellogs telling us to eat cereal everyday.
i say that if the game has awesome gfx but terrible gameplay then i wont play it but if it has bad gfx and awesome gameplay then i will
and i agree with him in that both are important
go ahead and play your 8-bit NES and tell me the graphics dont matter. gameplay is important too but graphics are what bring the game to life
stupid nvidia, beacuse of things like this we are lack of really great games.
Final Fantasy VII - poor graphic but the only game that make me cry and I finished it 29 times.
i say that if the game has awesome gfx but terrible gameplay then i wont play it but if it has bad gfx and awesome gameplay then i will
and i agree with him in that both are important
dude at the time they kicked arse! don't you remember the fmv's? the backdrops were awesome, the summons were a whole order of magnitude more impressive than previous ff's... you can't say it looked crud back in the day.
also, you're referring to story mostly, not gameplay... that's another thing.
Guess what I just spent 3 hours playing. Starfox 64. If what he says is true, I couldn't possibly have enjoyed it. But guess what... it was fun... *gasp* I couldn't care less what the graphics look like. The N64 is still the greatest system ever created because the games were amazing. All game makers care about now is how realistic the game looks and its causing the gaming industry to go down the toilet imo.
Its not the limits in GFX... that tiger's creativity, its the control method... IF a WiiMote would be a PS3 or X360 controller YOU would see the same creativity, only with better GFX
just becuase there was only 1 game that was fun without GFX go and suk some diks go and get a life dam of course u might say oh gameplay is better than gfx welll its is to a limit ..... wii vs PS3
PS3+ great graphics and traditional use of controls that everyone is used t 2 + sixAxis
Wii+ subpar GFX (xbox last gen) , fun gimmik that only last a short amount of time....
ok u say u can lst with the wii graphics but if u havent noticed tech nolgy advanses see xbox and ps3 are barely usin up ther power and the wii is alredy beein used up
lets put it this way people say the wiimote is fun but look at it this way the reason GTA was so fun was becuase of its features and things u can do which is madeby processing and graphics ofcourse the wii may have k gafics now but thas only cuz people are used to the subpar grafix of PS2 GC and xbox of last gen and people dont mind that the grafics looks the same but PC and other thing get nbetter grafix and performance and then the wii will look like comperin PS2 grafix versus PS1 and N64
MGS video game i everplayed and the reason is becuase the grafix and gameplay and the gfx were so important it tottaly imerssed u into the carecters and made it beterr some may say oh wtf is rong with those eyes ?? but still it was one of the best things uve seen at the time am i right or not
wait... 29 times... i think its time for some therapy
You know FFVII its a great game and i love it... but damn.... 29 times... get your self a new GAME.. LOL!!!
"He stressed that having quality graphics is the best way for a game to elicit emotions from the player."
Spoken like someone who has never played Cannon Fodder on the Amiga...
What a tool... Of course he's going to say this, he has to sucker folk into buying newer and fancier graphics cards doesn't he.
Mohaas: The fact that the Wii's virtual console is so popular kinda shows that people already are.
Graphics is a large part of immersion, which IMO is as important as gameplay.
VP of Graphics Card maker says Graphics are important?! No frickin' way. If he said the negation, I could see this being interesting, but as of now, it's just publicity.
VP of Graphics Card maker says Graphics are important?! No frickin' way. If he said the negation, I could see this being interesting, but as of now, it's just publicity.
I think gameplay is more important than graphics. For example, look at all the puzzle games we play. They get you addicted to them but dont have the best graphics in the world.
But good graphics are necesary in all games. You just can't say you loved Final Fantasy VII just because of the story. When it first came out the graphics were awesome and it attracted the attention of many people who weren't fans of the series beforehand. This rule applies to many games we consider the best of the best (like Zelda OoT). You can't make a game that everyone loves without some good graphics.
What I think nintendo did was make people think that gameplay far surpasses the graphics as an escuse to why the graphics in their games can't match that of the PS3 at launch. Talk about which was more important was never even discussed as much as it is now until Nintendo started making us thing gameplay is the only factor in games. If the Wii had the better graphics in this generation then people wouldn't even care about which is better.
I do think that gameplay is better (I own a Wii), but graphics is important.
but yeah, gameplay should always come first, and graphics second. That's why Doom is still popular (Zdaemon, anybody?), cause the gameplay is solid. That and it can run on virtually anything, including my psp lol.
Graphics are important to an extent, yes no doubt about that.
You can not just rely on game play alone, example: zelda TP, was stunning and the game was very good. What nintendo offer is a bundle of game play and graphics. Graphics make you go "WOW!" Game Play makes you go addicted to saying "WOW!". Seeing superb stuff but repeating events over and over and over again gets boring and the "WOW!" turns in to "i've seen this already.........".
I'm not sure I agree with this guy. I'd rather play, for example, Legend of Mana, Secret of Mana, or even Zelda 1 rather than the recent Superman Returns game or Eragon. I'll pick up Eternal Darkness with its barely-above-n64 raphics much faster than some of the PS2's Resident Evil games, and Guilty Gear XX#R over most of the 3D fighting games. It's not because of graphics or anything of that matter; it's simply because the games are a lot more fun to play.
That's not to say graphics are valueless: a game with an unacceptably low framerate, or graphics that don't clearly demonstrate what is what, can become unplayable. But there can be decent games built in two dimensions, or with simple graphics.
Today, though, graphics aren't the best way to apply emotion. Humans react well to other human faces, but we've reached the uncanny valley for human-like graphics and thus often produce creepy things that only put people off. Music, well applied, is *much* more significant.
dirge of cerberus looked nice, but the controls were crap, i didn't bother finishing that because of the controls
graphics are a nice bonus but not entirely necessary, just look at all the people playing cs.....
you think some guy from nvidia will say graphics aren't essential to games??? oh yeah aside from that buy our latest graphics card at 800 bucks, its worth it
Graphics ARE important, but good gameplay can make up for bad graphics. If the game is FUN to play, you won't care about the graphics. That's why we'll still dust off our old NES's and hook it up to our 62" HDTVs and enjoy Super Mario Brothers in glorious 240x160 through 480i. Or those of us who emulate older game systems with the filtering turned OFF. Or how Katamari Damacy was using blocky, simplistic graphics, yet WE STILL ENJOYED IT. Or look at the success of Capcom and SNK's 2D fighters. They usually just run around 320x240, but they're still fun!
Really this dude is completely right, i mean comeon graphics are *****ing important these days, were all used to seeing those highly detailed terrains and all, and gameplay without the proper mood given by the graphics is worth *****....
Honestly stfu and just accept it, graphics are equal to gameplay today.
Play doom 3 in 2d and play it on its own awesome engine which has perfect shadow playing and high-res textures and all, now - which will give you the feeling of being surrounded by monsters and fear going down your ass, the 2d or 3d HQ graphics version... well yeah the 3d HQ graphics one...
I do. Super Mario Bros kills Halo anyday! Graphics don't matter. What brings the games to life is the hook in the game that keeps you coming back. When the next Barbie game comes out for PS3 (because you have made it clear that you would choose that over the classics, just because it looks better) have fun with it. I'll stick to SMB.
You are right on the money. The next time I am killing a 40 foot mech robot with my Magic Gloves of Thunder Bashing, after being shot 30 times while running through the barren streets of devistated New York looking for the Key to Backwards World, it better look real or it just isn't going to feel like something I would do on a daily basis.
I think for him to argue otherwise would be career suicide. His very purpose in life is to sell expensive graphic hardware. I think it would only be news if he said otherwise.
A great game is a great game, graphics or no. This is why people to this day play Chrono Trigger. This is why I can play away the entire duration of my DS battery life on a lazy Saturday playing Age of Empires. A great game with great graphics is just icing on the cake.
In short, great gameplay can COMPLETELY make up for a lack of good graphics (how many thousands of people still MUD to this very day?). The best graphics on the planet on the other hand, can do nothing for a game that is complete ass.
yeah I passed it 29 times, and well, I'm waiting for it's remake
yeah I know about FMV's then but character were created rather bulky, noone truely disliked that much
anyway there's still much more great games not just that one.
Transport Tycoon Deluxe is one of the best games to ... playing in 256 colors
I know about 1 kid who like great graphics but when I showed him TTD he didn't want to play anything else ... power of gameplay man
warioware for wii has not got good graphics and the gameplay is gr8t so hes talking out his ass
No ***** this guy's gonna say graphics matters, the *****ers from Nvidia. Buy the next-gen $800 graphics card so you can truly play how it's meant to be played!
And definitely not get upset over it. This guy is from nVidia, obviously he's going to tell you graphics are the most important.
I agree with him to an extent (no matter how good a new game is, if it looks like an NES game I won't play it), but he's just speaking for the company because obviously he wants to sell units. Don't take too much out of this
Then you are fools....for games like mario and such, graphics aren't a big deal.....but moving towards more cinematic experiences, like GoW or MGS or the new RE....graphics will matter ALOT for drawing the player into the world and obscuring the fact they are playing a video game....
I wonder if Resident Evil would have been as effective at scaring people if it was filled with stick men and stick zombies.
Also, wtf is saying that you can only have one or the other ? Imagine a game with amazing graphics and amazing gameplay ??? Why does it have to be one or the other......I just know for games that are trying to convice the player they are participating in real events, then good graphics are HUGE....
gameplay is more important then graphics, but the guy is right, graphics also set the mood and draw emotions, which is part of gameplay.
How many times do the DS sales and now the Wii sales have to prove gameplay rule games. Xbox should've won last gen based off that arguement. Last but not least the, PS3 should be flying off the shelf, but it's not. Instead the Wii is runinng laps around PS3 and already catching up to Xbox360.
But Hey Nividia says graphics matter. Kinda funny/ironic coming from a graphix chip company...maybe they just want keep thier jobs secure.
Nice:) Yeah, enjoy your Barbie or Disney licensed crap while we play Mario:)
I won't beat around the bush. Mohass is a retard. And probably a teenager.
mayb it's jst coz u guys can't afford an Nvidia video card, ur all so pissed, Super Mario Bros. over Halo? r u joking, do i sense a Nintendo Fanboy? how about Half-Life 2? they didn't take 8 years to make a sequel with the same graphics, they took 8 years becuase they wanted to perfect the graphics not the gameplay
at the point of half life 2, graphics in video games were good enoguh to fully display the emotion range of human beings. more than that is nice, but game play remains key.
Nethack would probably make that nVidia guys head explode. "But... But... IT'S TEXT!!!" *BOOM*
My favourite games are all pre-2000. Myth 2, Total Annihilation etc... Hell, I still play Transport Tycoon... That was *shock horror* A DOS GAME!!!
The only current games I enjoy are Winning Eleven and Fire Pro R on the PS2... And the irony is Fire Pro... The graphics are 16-bit style!!! HAHA!
nVidia Man knows not of what he speaks. He's just using semantics to make it look like he's not saying "Please buy our cards, I need a Porsche!"
I mean he says "sometimes graphics have been applied, not at the expense of gameplay, but without equal consideration to [gameplay]"... He's saying the same thing twice, just wording it differently. If equal consideration is not given, that means gameplay was a secondary consideration... He's just trying to baffle the not so bright... So the exact market he's aiming at, the suckers who buy the latest pointless graphics card, and keep this guy in hookers and gin.
Makes me ashamed to be
I was saying it makes me ashamed to be an nVidia customer, when the company is run by such obvious hucksters.
Both are equally important to me.
ya both are important u wouldnt want to play a virtual stick game
There's some 'old' games that still kick the crap out of the 'eye candy' games as far as being fun.
Hell, look at the Wii, you moron. Nintendo focused on Gameplay over GFX and the Wii's are flying off the shelf.
I like seeing GFX improvements, but a dud with photo-realism is still a dud. Seriously, does 'Africa' look fun to you?
u need both. thats the answer.
it takes 2 hands to clap. but generally his pt of view is certainly shortsighted maybe because he is where he is. he is not a game developer but a spokes person. a vp..
wii has its plus pts. ... take the new sims for wii for example. do you think it is gameplay? or the graphics? even though it is not out yet. it has a cuter side and a new game play. that will certainly interest gamers like us to pick it up.
what abt wii sports. why so many people stick to it... and still cant get bored? this game is takes interactivity to a whole new level.
now that ps3 is out... it still has its' shortcoming maybe due to developers who are not willing to port to the new devkit due to the complexity.. it will not be for long.. but in terms of game play wise... it has no much differece from ps2.. - the rumble + the motion.... so it is just more like eyecandy to me... and why would i go for eyecandy when there are so many games out there on pc and also ps2.... ps3 will only come king when games start to shine... and until then wii/pc/ps2/psp/ds and xbox is still king.. nothing beats good games to console.
If the Wii didn't care about graphics it would be sporting some of those pimp ass Atari Graphics, or some of those text dungeon masterpieces. Anyone who says that the Wii doesn't focus on graphics fails at life. And I agree with this dude, graphics truly do help a game. I mean, Grand Theft Auto sucks in 2D, let's be honest. And the argument that basically means that bad graphics are the reason people buy VC titles, no, it means people haven't played those games in 10-20 years and want to have a good piece of history.
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does it have to be a trade-off? Blame it on yourselves. Okami died because no one wanted to play as a wolf. Saints Row sells big because it plays like GTA. Honestly, your game will play differently depending on the peripheral being inputted. That's why Wii is so novel. But then again, my guitar Hero comes bundled with a peripheral and i don't have to pay 250 bucks for it. take it or leave it but gameplay isn't everything.
by the way, too lazy to construct my ideas.
Dance Dance Revolution.
It is just 4 arrows, and people still love playing that game.
Resident Evil isn't scary...it is tense. The game isn't meant to make you sleep with the lights on, but more to make you freak out over close quarters, quick thinking and reaction. It would work with stick men and zombies all the same as long as they use the same formula.
BTW...best Resident Evil is the first. It was also one of the worst looking.
I love how all the comments saying both are important and that this guy is right all have no stars, while all the ones saying "graphics don't mean sh*t" have 5 stars. You people are such idiots.
For one thing, this guy is talking about current-gen games, the fact that Mario and A Link to the Past are still your favorite games aren't relevant, obviously if a game came out TODAY looking like that it would not sell.
Another thing, if you truly believe graphics don't mean anything you are a complete fool. If current games still looked like the original Legend of Zelda I would be pissed, to say the least. The advancement of graphics AND gameplay in games are important, and if you can't see that you need help.
I do agree that gameplay is better (for instance, Twilight Princess sure isn't the prettiest recent game out there, but it is one of the best), but no sane person can argue that Gears of War's graphics sure do improve the experience combined with its great gameplay.
Graphics are important because they help immersing someone in the experience. Without game play though, graphics mean jack. Although game play are most important, I still think graphics should also look good.
Take Rainbow Six Vegas for example. The game looks freaking amazing. Everything from facial expressions, to animations, to lightning, and explosions look amazing. But without the brilliant game play innovations like the cover system for example, and the tactical based game play, the game would be frustrating and boring.
Or Metal Gear Solid 3. The amazing details on Snake's physical appearance or using the graphics possibilities to create camouflages where you can blend with the environment providing game play possibilities. When the game ended with Snake saluting his dead mentor by her grave, you get emotionally attached leaving with something you will remember for the rest of your life.
Graphics are important because they help with adding details to the game play, and game play is important because it takes the graphics and crafts an immersing world. So in the end, both are equally important, and we need both for the ultimate experience.
Nvidia can suck my balls. They would say that to promote their extortionate graphics cards.
yes, i agree a gameplay experience is better then graphics...but times have really changed since the time of the very first games.
at present, when people talk about graphics being important in games...its because sometimes they can be..they're not saying gameplay isnt important, just that there is almost a balance now with graphics and gameplay. gamers have become used to improved graphics in games as a consoles life extends...graphics have become an imporatant factor in games..and there isnt anything wrong with that, just aslong as the gameplay is excellent...which is the case in a large number of games today; developers have had decades to evolve gameplay...and its come a long way. now its the visual parts of games developers are starting to improve on, and it all adds to the gameplay experince.
look at crysis...one of the main reasons its so hyped is because of the very realistic graphics..also the gameplay has been shown to be very good, but without the level of graphics the game has...it helps seperate it from other games. realism is a growing expectation in games, and you need improved graphics for that to happen. with some games you need to be able to see alot of detail..that comes with great graphics...and this adds to the gameplay experience.
just imagine playing halo with NES style graphics...it wouldnt work...halo wouldnt be the most popular game in modern gaming.
Of course Nividia the maker of graphics chip WOULD say graphics or all that matters...hell I wouldn't want to lose my job either.
its all relative man, whatever it takes to provoke ones imagination to further immerse them in the game. Honestly tho, I had a bigger emotional attachment to the pathetic little sprites in Chrono Trigger then the 'realistic' characters in Oblivion and enjoyed it much more.
And I would totally watch 24 on a tiny black and white screen if thats all I had.
but you didnt keep playing the snes version did you? gameplay was the same, but gfx were better on the 64 version.
hes not trying to say gameplay is unimportant, but that "gfx" are going to make the gameplay in the near future. look at crysis. destructible everything, forests of trees, buildings, koreans, tanks. you could not do this game without good "gfx" but its about everything "gfx" makes up: physics gfx interactivity,n ot just more polygons.
photorealism is only as good as the physics and animations behind it, and thats what hes talking about, not just more polygons or better textures
look at all the people playing cs source. that was purely a "graphical" update (physics are more or less considered gfx nowadays in the computer world, or at least put in that category)
in any case, a good gfx card is less than a psp, and since the only thing most people lack for a gaming computer is a gfx card,thats less than most consoles. in fact, its less than a wii for ps3 graphics. not too bad is it.
the perfect example of this is shadows of the colossus. that game would have been bad without the gfx to go with it. but that does not mean gameplay suffered. in fact, the gfx were what made the gameplay so fun. seeing those massive monstrosities towering above you would not have had the same feel as an snes game. but it was stil fun, and thats the point the nvidia guy is trying to make. graphics are important, and can be expanded far more than gameplay, but the gameplay still needs to be there. he says nothing about gfx replacing gameplay. if someone marketed pong at sixty bucks, would you buy it? no, not as a game anyway. take star fox, which would you rather play, snes or 64? id take the 64, coz its prettier, nostalgia aside.
ok many people love to play old games .....with "better gameplay" .... but thing in an other way.... but i think better gfx is much more importent then gameplay.....becaus why do you want to play old games with extrem bad gfx when you also can have extremly good gfx in a game and also a good gameplay.... all these people who want to stay at their old games .... ok play these games ....but didn´t you become anoid by always the same game that you where you know everything.... ???? be open for new things and the future and dont stay in the past ..... with this stand the humanity would have anything like that what we have today ...so ... have a nice day
LOL he's comparing TV shows to video games. I'll return to my SNES.
Also graphics aren't the best way to give emotions to elicit emotions, the story is.
I agree, hes just some retard anyway, just ignore him
heh heh, yeah.
Old school games are still great. I like the graphics in the newest era of gaming but what matters to me is the gameplay. A game can have awesome graphics but with *****ty ass gameplay the game will suck major ass.
Gameplay over gfx but to a degree
Is great gfx and great gameplay better than
supreb gameplay and black and white gfx it cant happen gameplay and gfx depend on each other.
Why do have to chose which is better developers should incorpate both into the games(and they do in some games)
Lets compare
(wii sports)wii 8/10 gameplay and 4/10 gfx
(halo2)xbox 9.5/10 gameplay 10/10 gfx
which is better
or
(zelda)wii great gameplay 9/10 good gfx 8/10
(ffX)ps2 9.6/10 gameplay 9.5/10 gfx
(ff12)ps2 gameplay 9/10 gfx 10/10
Now umm yes you got halo3!! and ff13 on the next gen consoles i think where gonna need a new metre maybe out of 20 for gfx its only going to get better.
To be fair i compared last gen games because that is what the wii is a gamecube with the best control ever.
theres so many good games(with outstanding gameplay and outstanding gfx on the xbox 360 and ps3 wii isn't a option anymore.
went off topic there but i think i got my not important point across.
100% agree with you it depends what type of game youre playing
We need graphic in somes obviously not puzzle or mind games and anyway it depends it the spice of life we need great gfx good gameplay and vias versa some people would never go back to playing sega 2d games
example you can eith buy super mario or halo 3 which would you choose
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go wank off with all the nintendo-fanboys in the corner, gimme a break. the wiis virtual console is crap, who wants to pay money to play the same old ***** we played 15 years ago. id gladly play barbie if it was like barbies gone wild or something.