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Homebrew community to get some Sony love

Posted Jul 24, 2007 at 4:13PM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: Homebrew Development, News, Opinions & Analysis Tags: Hackers, Jack Tretton, Patrick Seybold, psp homebrews, Sony

IGN's Greg Miller, venerable reviewer, editor, PlayStation team member and all-around awesome guy - perhaps the guy of sorts you'd want to review your own PSP homebrew game - offered to send a few questions straight to the big three of Sony Computer Entertainment, getting the official and unflinching lowdown from the likes of CEO Jack Tretton, senior manager Patrick Seybold and senior director Dave Karraker on your deepest (and apparently heated) questions on anything and everything Sony-related.

And guess what? A question regarding official homebrew game support by a lucky lad named caterman was apparently selected by Miller and sent to Sony. Though many would have thought Sony would have worn its Gauntlets of Oppression +10 for this segment of the email Q&A, the games division of arguably the world's largest consumer electronics brand wasn't exactly the homebrew antagonist we possibly all felt they were.

In fact, they've expressed a lot of interest in homebrew, especially after witnessing a lot of output over the PSP scene. "We certainly see some of the stuff that has been done via homebrew, and it's incredibly creative. And I think we'd like to try and tap into that a little bit more," said Jack Tretton.

But with all things great, this does come with a condition. Dave Karraker said that in order for Sony to support homebrew software, they've got one main hurdle to cross: how to open the PSP so that enough freedom is given to the homebrew developers, without compromising the handheld's security to third-party intrusion.

How so? Imagine a handheld device, open without restrictions and accessible over wireless connection - an invitation to aspiring hackers. Miller himself states, "You know some hacker wants to brick your baby for fun," and we can't shake the feeling that while not evident, it's completely plausible. And then there's the malicious software option - or installing compromising code into your PSP - which for quite a while has been plaguing the Windows platform for generations on end.

And heck, just for kicks, you'd want to find out how vulnerable you are from potential hackers, too. You'd probably be so curious, in fact, that you'll attempt to hack your own PSP through someone else's. So the concern over security is probably mutual and thus understandable. Sony doesn't crackdown on homebrew as the belief would popularly go; they crackdown on hacks and hackers.

But then it all boils down to how much work would Sony need to make it all happen, after all is said and done. We'd estimate a lot of time is needed, but with support from the best of the best in the homebrew scene, it would slice the time frame favorably.

Such a collaboration would also help Sony become familiar enough with the innards of homebrew development and even open up avenues to some more interested freeware developers (the PC kind, myself included) to try their hand at handheld game development.

We know that this probably raised more than a couple of eyebrows among the most loyal of the PlayStation Portable homebrew movement, but hearing this from the top three guys who'd chew anything that stood in their way (Redmond armies included), this must be especially promising. If it's anything sincere, we'd hear more on this as time rolls on.

Many thanks goes to Mr. Snorlax for the big tip off!

Via IGN - PSP

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I agree on both counts.

First of all, do not bother replying to these "ZOMG! FIRST!" idiots, that only encourages them. Just ignore them and if they get no reaction they go away.

I am a bit skeptical about this article due to SONY's past actions, but I suppose that if they communicate with people who create custom firmwares they can create a firmware that provides better homebrew support while blocking ISOs and attempts to use software to rip UMDs. If that ever happens then the only people who suffer would be those who desire to pirate games, and we can stop using firmware versions that allow piracy or in some cases ISO loaders simply to enjoy both homebrew and commercial games/software. I suppose that this will take a bit of effort on the part of all parties and plenty of thinking outside the box but it can be done.

# Nevermind — Guest 2007-07-24 18:20

I dont trust Sonys word, they will deffinitly do something to prevent us... from continuing using our Homebrew...

# So few options — Philbert 2007-07-24 18:30

I'm no programmer, but the only option I really see for Sony to do this would be for them to keep an eye on the HB community and see what's out there or accept submissions, then look it over to make sure it's safe, edit the file to make it work on official systems, then make it available on an official site. All of that costs a lot of money.

# ok — Guest 2007-07-24 18:31

I think the fun of getting homebrew to run, is hacking it, if i wanted an open device id get another gp2x, i just love tinkering with something i shouldnt... But if they need a way to allow brew and protect it from security, is just release liek 2 firmwares, one that is the norm, and a homebrew one, not available on the network update so when you DL it you have to agree to the dangers of anything possible..... idk it could go somewhere.....

# I R FIRST OSHT — dragoonadept@gmail.com 2007-07-24 18:33

No, really, that's interesting. I could honestly see this working. Sony could make a stand-alone program that runs "homebrew" from inside itself. This would allow us to make stuff and use it. I would love to see hundreds of free puzzle games, adventure, fighting, or even RPG games.

*cheers* Here's for speculation!

# still.... — Guest 2007-07-24 18:44

i think DAX had alil bit to do wit this sudden welcoming of homebrew by sony. So basically if they do collab wit the homebrew scene they all ready have one of the best ;]

# bleh — Guest 2007-07-24 19:00

if they don't want ppl to pirate games they should make them cheaper. £10 a game is more than enough. i'd buy loads then. haveing to copy the game you want to play to the ms everytime is a pain in the ass. i'd much rather insert a umd.

but theres no way i'm chanceing £30 squids on a game that might be *****e. about half the games ive tried seem like betas! and half of those seem like alphas!!

the psp should have had video out from the begining if the umd movie was to be a success. i don't want to have to buy 2 copies of the same movie for full price!

# credits — Guest 2007-07-24 19:08

check out the italicized sentence at the bottom of the article. :) thanks, again!

# good idea — Guest 2007-07-24 19:36

if sony would use a launcher, then there would be pretty much no change in it being hacked (not many people would try) and they could block out access to things they dont like. Or they could make your program need to be sent to them for their approval (just the src) and they would make it runnable if they thought it would be ok.

# A SIMPLE ANSWER — Logic 2007-07-24 20:34

Hardware protection. Make it so there is a hardware check of some sort. Much like the PS2 did. That way only a modchip will allow piracy. The problem is that means no legit homebrew of this handheld. Maybe next time.

# FIRST!!!!!! — Guest 2007-07-24 20:43

HA HA HA HA HA IN YOUR FACE!!! FIRST!!!!!!!!!! !

# Thanks — Guest 2007-07-24 21:15

Wow you guys actually read comments. Thanks.

# how to do it — Guest 2007-07-24 21:17

can sum one tell me how 2 down grade firmware 3.51 thank you u can post it here http://www.freewebs.com/the-jfc/forums.htm?forumID=861517&page=1&topicID=419034

# uhh... — Guest 2007-07-24 21:27

the best place for sony 2 collab with homebrew would be over the upcoming sony online store. theres supposed 2 be an online psp store in the near future n sony could release homebrew like microsoft n the live arcade

# YAY — Guest 2007-07-24 21:42

Sony are smart. I allway have sensed sony liked homebrew in some way. They just didn't like the illegal parts.

# .. — Guest 2007-07-24 22:42

Who cares, we already have homebrew.

# sandbox homebrew — aNILEator 2007-07-24 22:50

a sandbox style loader for homebrew would be the best way of preventing hardware crunching with a block on anything accessing the UMD drive (old style iso loaders) possibly a restriction on file size also eg no files over 400MB will be allowed to run (most compressed iso's) just some ideas

# Not interested — Guest 2007-07-25 00:55

The complete flexibility we have with our Psps now is nothing compared to what Sony could ever officially offer without shooting themselves in teh foot.

Further more, many Devs would lose interest if the Psp was more open. I once contacted Fanjita and asked him if he was interested in coding for the new GP2X and he said part of the challenge on the Psp is the fact that you need to work around the protection so the fact that the GP2X was open made it uninteresting.

# $oNY — Guest 2007-07-25 01:00

i think its impossible for Sony to allow this to happen... based from what they said... i think they're just amazed in how these homebrew developers made their product w/c is the PSP far more functional than before... thats why theyre keeping an eye in the Homebrew scene is to gain more idea on how to make the PSP... far more better and gain a lot of money... maybe they never thought that the PSP can do far beyond what they were expecting it to be... the only problem they have is the vulnerability of the PSP... because of these "hacks"... not only Sony but the game developers are loosing a lot of money... the sad scene is if the game developers loose a lot of money... they'd probably stop making games for the PSP... if only they would sell their games... more cheaper... at least they earn money...

just my thoughts... \m/(///-)\m/

# ... — Guest 2007-07-25 01:39

its impossible at the moment, sorry

only firmwares up to 3.50 can be downgraded using the lumines exploit, although buying a modchip (not recomended) can hack any firmware

# First!! — Guest 2007-07-25 01:48

First!!!

# ... — Guest 2007-07-25 01:49

the problem is UMDs are encoded in the same format as DVDs making it easy to crack. If sony format it in some other way it might be more difficult for piracy

# Easy to say that — Guest 2007-07-25 01:50

My Opinion:

If I had a company like Sony and someone asked me about the homebrew community, of course I'd say something like that, they need to be closer to the homebrew users and not make them their enemies, that's why the CEO answered that.

Yeah right, it seems to be a good idea to make the further psp Homebrew Enabled with Iso Blockers. Good idea for those who live outside Brazil and wants to tag along with Original FW, if I was living in a country like USA for example, my PSP would be the same (CFW), however I'd buy some games as the price isn't too high.

Here in Brazil, a PSP game costs around $90,00. That's why I really support ISO LOADERS. I see this as a music cd, first I download it from the internet, then, if I like and have enough money, I'll buy it.

Music Cd's doesn't cost that high, that's why 90% of the psp users in Brazil don't have even 1 Original PSP Game.

We live in a capitalist World, companies aren't worried directly with their client's satisfaction, they are worried about selling their products and earning more money

Sony is a company and hates the ISO LOADERS obviously, not the Homebrews or the Homebrew Community who have gave their little Toy a lot of Fame.

# hb artists beware — Guest 2007-07-25 02:02

trying to get you to come out in the open so

they can have you arrested and take your ideas

# woudnt work — Guest 2007-07-25 02:03

Hardware protection woud probally be hacked also if that got hacked then there woud beno way to patch woud there besides theyve already tried this twice and it didnt work remember the dam 82 and 86 the only way i coud think woud to be hvae like the battery hooked to soemthing so it can detect wethter the flash is being accesed without a sony key and it just shuts the psp of but of course it woud still be hackable just harder

# all — Guest 2007-07-25 02:10

LOOLLLLLLLLLLLL L IM FIRWSST ROFL FIRST FIRST!!!!!!!!!! !!!! I OWN ALL

# i dont think so — Guest 2007-07-25 02:17

err...maybe not you sad nob

# sony — Guest 2007-07-25 02:29

sony could just have a contest to submit homebrew games and the top 20 (or more) could get there game on a umd homebrew collection.

# Malicous software — Guest 2007-07-25 02:47

I think that if they totaly support the homebrew commuinty jest leave it alone with security updates. It would make more sense to actuly let them use homebrew, if thease so called hacker making malcious software then in the future the homebrew community will counter act it by creating an antivirus software program such as PSPNorton or somthing of the type.

# I agree — Guest 2007-07-25 02:56

I agree with 720 sony should have a screening process that all hombrew go thru before it comes on sony's "White List" of allowed applications. Those programs would run like a demo would.

# I'm pessimistic... — Guest 2007-07-25 03:00

Why would Sony bother letting us make homebrew to solve problems when they would rather release their own software and products after seeing our creative ideas? They are a business, they want that money.

# DA leaves and now this? — Guest 2007-07-25 03:05

Anyone else wonder if the rumor of Dark_alex working for Sony might be true. They say in the article that working with the "best of the best" would cut down the time...

Maybe an official Sony OE release in the upcoming years?

# Shame but... — Guest 2007-07-25 04:18

They would only cut out themes cause of the potential risk and I like themes.

# hombrew — Guest 2007-07-25 04:19

we might just start thinking of making the psp hombrew approved

# morons — soopergooman 2007-07-25 04:24

there is already a homebrew iso/cso blocker. if sony wanted they could be letting homebrew run right now. have that blocker hard coded into the psp and voila homebrew without iso's. problem solved Sony!

# imposter — soopergooman 2007-07-25 04:31

you are a faker FVCK OFF!

# dsggfg — Guest 2007-07-25 04:39

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# im just fat — Guest 2007-07-25 04:55

I am a gigantic fatass who looks at the computer 24/7.

# What!!! — Guest 2007-07-25 05:34

OMG, that guy is stealing my food and my underwear! HELP POLICE HELP! I'm to lazy to fat to run!!! HELP!!! OMG, omg, omg, my hemoglobin is hiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiigh. Better go to mcdonals to get out of hunger and menopause depression (although I am a man). OMFG I'm such a gay ***** whore!!!! Gotta go find cheap male prostitutes in India and get them in my creep in Soth Africa. OMFG do I just see what I see? Only 1 line of written appreaciation for my 24/7 work? OMFG I expected like 350 lines of appreciation and like a free PS3 but not a 360 or wii cause one is too fun and the other is for playing with my friends!!! I wanted at least 50k dollars or something, or at least a Transformers collector's edition dool from the 76 or at least some serf to do things for me cause I'm too lazy and sit in my comp for like 125 hours a week and I need someone to wipe off the Dorito crumps and *****. OMFG I gotta go, my level 99 Paladin is getting it's ass kicked in World of Warcraft!!!!!!! !!!!

# sdfaf — Guest 2007-07-25 05:46

Too late to ban homebrew now, anyone who wanted it can already get it with the downgraders (Anyone on 3.51 obviously doesn't want homebrew) and Sony can just go back to doing nothing for the PSP as usual.

# HELP! — Guest 2007-07-25 06:34

Okay, so my sons (13 & 16) just got a PSP a few weeks ago - and are asking for me to PLEASE buy them a lumines game so they can "hack" other games without buying them. I'm positive this is illegal. But it didn't stop me from going to best buy and getting the lumines game for them. Unfortunately, I got the lumines 2 game - which they said doesn't work. So now I'm bidding WAY TOO MUCH money on ebay to get this damn lumines game for them - in the hopes that they will love the lumines game so much they will not want to "hack" any other games (yea right). Is what they are saying possible? Or should I forget about buying this lumines game for them....

PS. please don't give Sony or the feds my email address...

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# Bull***** — Guest 2007-07-25 08:18

I think this is nothing but bull*****. Sony doesn't want the HB community pissed at them considering that HB users are the ones who buy two PSPs(one safe with OFW and one hacked with CFW) and they don't want to lose those hardware sales. Sony is just playing nice to get the community to buy more units. Sony would never allow homebrew because they could get in major trouble with the GBA and N64 emulators.

# Bull***** — Guest 2007-07-25 08:19

# ... — Guest 2007-07-25 08:46

They aren't hacking them, they are pirating them. Yes it's possible, and I think that you should let them sort of preview their games, cause there's a lot of crap out there.

# No thanks Sony. — Guest 2007-07-25 08:59

I'll stick with 3.52 m33

# While I agree that UMDs are too expensive... — Guest 2007-07-25 09:09

Playing from MS is way better, especially with the np9660 No UMD driver. Faster loading and better battery life. I keep Syphon filter in my UMD drive, and the rest of my games I ripped to my 4gb MS. I have most of the games I own with me at all times without having to carry around a bunch of bulky UMDS.

# huh? — Guest 2007-07-25 09:54

are you the one who sent the reply to my original post?

# PSP 3.52 M33 — Guest 2007-07-25 10:33

PSP 3.52 M33 is now out QJ.

# woohooo — Guest 2007-07-25 12:18

yes FIRST! TAKE THAT DANNY PHANTOM

# credit — Guest 2007-07-25 15:50

Why do you not give me credit?

# -- — Guest 2007-07-25 16:03

sweetness =)

they can make like a homebrew loader like how a snes rom has a game loader thing, but built into that would be that 1 app that checks a homebrew if it has access to flash so then ppl also wont brick ur psp thru homebrew.

# o.k. one thing. — Guest 2007-07-25 18:29

Dont' flame me or anything but I think SCE is just covering thier ass with freguent fw updates. Look at it this way...

If sony did nothing about the growing homebrew community , sony could be help liable for selling products that dont' have any security what so ever. In other word ppl wouldn't by a psp to play games, they'd buy it to do something illegal. So sony covers their ass in case someone brings up a class action suit against the company for selling " terrorist " equipment. as rediculous as is sounds, there are even more ridiculous ppl that will do just this. plus the even stupider ppl that will put this !@#$ on the news. ( fox ) and in todays world, everything is terroist!

then again, this senario implies that sony has a heart and cares. Which ins't the case because we all know that corporations are just heartless money machines. so, I digress.

sony just want's money....

# lol — Guest 2007-07-25 18:43

retard. buttsecks?

# lol — Guest 2007-07-25 18:46

retard

# lol — Guest 2007-07-25 20:08

let your kids get lumines and watch the feds pull up into your driveway.

and i gave them your email.

# Lols — Guest 2007-07-26 00:21

sony yoou have already prevented me from haveing homebrew to time's now when finally dax give me oe on 82 i free and i wannt to keep it that way

dont leet sony fool us!

the only thing that one make me want me to go back to ofical firm wud be skype eVean tho i cant sese theres no going back when you install oe on 82

# ... — Guest 2007-07-26 05:29

im still on 3.51 m33-7. im too lazy right now to update to 3.52 m33 and have to reinstall all my themes and stuff.

# Wow! — Guest 2007-07-26 07:07

Anti first post sucks unless they have something to say well here I go.

Great, sound awesome but I don't like the fact that this will never happen, due to hackers like they said. Or it WILL happen, but will have to go through Sony first, and power-hungry Sony will probobly make you have to buy the PS3 and use the marketplace or something before you can download it.

# thats why theres a RECOVERY system for our BREW — Guest 2007-07-26 07:30

But with all things great, this does come with a condition. Dave Karraker said that in order for Sony to support homebrew software, they've got one main hurdle to cross: how to open the PSP so that enough freedom is given to the homebrew developers, without compromising the handheld's security to third-party intrusion

this statement is BS if we as a scene can do it so could sony there FINALLY seeing we are here to stay. WE DIDNT EVEN ALLOW A ISO LOADER TO BE POSTED FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME...as we begged and pleed for freedom and you PATCHED said freedom so YES he is absalutley right! IT IS WHAT IT IS and it IS your fault sony we tried till FW 2.6 ish but you denied everytime our homebrew and lost our support with that we are people not just CURRENCY :( BAD SERVICE DUDE!

# MORE LIKE YOUR FKING SIMPLE DUDE! LMAO where you been? — Guest 2007-07-26 07:42

dude where the hell have you been all this time

ive had my original 1.0 psp for lets say since it was possible to have a psp..as homebrew slowley emerged and was born onto a fully kernall enabled psp sony patched it as homebrew continued to grow WITHOUT ANY ISO LOADERS ON ANY OF OUR SITES MIND YOU they continued to make a statment by PATCHING our HOMEBREW NOT ISO LOADERS JUST HOMEBREW and this happened with every single TIME CONSUMING CONTRIBUTION and HACK! we in the scene created....This is STILL happening ...the difference is while we in the real HOMEBREW scene pleeded to sony they ignored us and DID NOT MAKE A HOMEBREW SDK for us to LEGALY DEVELOPE ON!...NOW DID THEY??? my point is ACTIONS speak louder than words and there ACTIONS say they WILL NEVER SUPPORT HOMEBREW i say..... SHOW ME MY PSP SDK THEN SONY AND THEN WE WILL SEE!

# YEAH AND IT COULD REALLY REALLY SUCK 2! :P — Guest 2007-07-26 07:53

yeah and then we 2 could play double dragon instead of any danm backup rom i OWN anyway because im an avid gammer i kept my nintendo cart of double dragon and can simply use a open source emulator on my HOMEBREW SDK thanks to ALL you guys here in the scene. NO THANKS TO SONY ALL YOU WANT IS TO GET MORE FOOKING MONEY DOOSHBAGS! $ONY WE ARENT AS DUMB AS YOU LOOK EVERYTIME YOU RELEASE A NON FEATURE RICH FW.........

# bluh — Guest 2007-07-26 08:57

You think your games are expensive? Try sweden! MGS : Portable ops has got a 50£ pricetag! Everybodys Golf + 30£.

Sweden sucks in game sales.

# doubtful — Guest 2007-07-26 09:18

I was kidding about the feds. I think they are a little more interested in terrorists than with my kids pirating some stupid games. I'm not some techy who even gives a ***** about "homebrews' and sony and all that crap - I just am trying to make my kids happy. Sorry I can't chime in on your postings - but I have no idea what you are talking about. May as well be speaking latin.....I'd understand that better. I'll just go pay some high school techy to rig my kids PSP and be done with it. THANKS ALOT PEOPLE.

# Homebrew yes piracy no — Guest 2007-07-26 10:31

Yes home brew is good and all and thats what makes the psp famous but I have to agree on sony on this one. Ive seen people hack other psps through their PSP. I believe sony should allow some home brew delvolpers but not piracy.

Why cant sony be more like Nintendo. ALLOWING Home brew.

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PS3 Homebrew: Super Pixel Jumper v1.2	05/18/2013
Bite v1.5.1: PS3 Minis and Emulator Support	05/18/2013
PSP Homebrew: Cosmos Lunar v1.01	05/17/2013
PSP Homebrew: Xonergy	05/16/2013
PSP Homebrew: Cube Runner Advanced v1.2	05/16/2013
IrisManager 2.41: New Payload, Updated Discless	05/15/2013
PSP Homebrew: Wagic 0.19.0	05/15/2013
PSP / PS3MInis Bite v1.5: Homebrew Support	05/14/2013
This Tool Makes Playing PSP Games on PS3 EZ!	05/12/2013
Iris Manager v2.40 Has Some Cool New Features	05/11/2013
PUAD GUI v1.5 PUP Unpacker/Decryptor makes PUP Files Easy to Handle	05/10/2013
Get Your NOR Dumps Validated by BWE v1.24!	05/10/2013
Estwald Updates Fan Control Utility to v1.6	05/10/2013

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