The analogy of the gun was far from being well-thought. So basically its morally okay to produce or sell guns?



I'd say a kitchen knife would've been a better analogy. You can use it to prepare food, or murder your husband. The knife was made with food preparation in mind.

What about if you download Roms from other platforms? N64 for example. Thats basically just abandonware right? Ooh and first. Lol I just ordered Lumines but I doubt I'll ever download a PSP game

» Um...



The gun is in the same play. Guns were created to hunt big game for food. Not to kill people, but apparently the government and army think that's a wonderful idea.



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Today's society is quite aware of the purposes of obtaining a gun. If you produce and/or sell guns, you know that a big chunk of them is going to be bought for either self defense or intentional offensive use, which ends up killing people regardless.

I definitely agree with their arguement as to how it is the users responsibility on how they would use their software. But we do have to admit that custom firmwares are a double edged sword for the psp community. On one hand we get more features and play old games we used like and the other opens to piracy. I dont wanna blame them for anything, in fact i am so grateful for what they have done regardless of the negative effects it has wrought. Let us never forget the freedom of choice and the responsibility imposed on using that freeedom. Custom firmwares grant us a sort of freedom on our psp away from Sony's clutches. They have given us a universal key and its up to us what kind of door we should open it with. Just my two cents.

The analogy with the Guns is complete bull*****. Take away guns and there will be less murders. When the option is there, people are more likely to do it. If you've downgraded your PSP, you're more likely be swayed to pirating a game. If it wasn't possible, then you would pirate any games would you? If no guns were available, you can't kill anyone can you? It's not exactly easy to kill someone with a knife. Most people wouldn't try, but guns make it easy.



/rant over.

I agree



/agree over

Except, you know, that wasn't the point.



Of course downgrading makes it easier to pirate games. The point he was making is that he isn't to blame for what people do after downgrading.



Your own point is valid, but not in the context where he was talking about responsibility.

you can use guns to defend yourself or your family or to kill, you choose.

demand and offer rules this world (apart of sex )

well...i must say i'm not against piracy, running iso's downloaded from other sites is good, becouse sometimes they ask to much money for it that isnt worth it.

BUT: i think you should buy a game sometimes to support the gameworld and creators of the games, becouse we don't want it to happen that no one is developing games anymore becouse there is no money in it.

I use 3.30 OE and I've never used pirate software, whats the point all the games are $hit any way !



The only reason I bought the PSP was because of homebrew, watching movies and listening to music...



So all the f4gs that keep harping on about downgraders... 'p155 off' !!!!!

its our psp.. we used our own hard earned cash to pay for it... there is no reason why we cant do anything with it.. to be honest i use my psp mainly for streaming the tv and movies from my pc.. also using vnc... i love you all devs.. its you guys that make the psp as it is now... its not all about downgrading to play games dudes... its about downgrading with the freedom of choice to extract the max out of our psp since SCE is always holding back the full potential from us... God knows why.. its a multi-media machine... let us do what we like with our toy...



so complainers and ranters... get a life... its what you do on your psp is ones own choice.. bloody retards...



Long Live HomeBrew..

or what about the high speed of cars nowdays? inmany countries is the max allowed speed in europe bout 120-130 km/h. but there are many cars that go much harder than 120km/h. it is your own responsibility to use the car in a way as u wish (harder or slower than 120 km/h)



thus i agree with fanjita......

It is NOT abandonware. Very little games are abandonware, most of them for the PC. How could it be abandonware if Nintendo is still selling them on the VC?

you're funny, you know that 99% of your downgraded PSPs are used for pirated games... get you mouth clean...

What's the POINT of your argument? The makers of a product that has morally legitimate uses are not responsible for how the consumer uses it.

"Everything should be open source anyway....why should technology be controlled by greedy corporations?"



BECAUSE THEY F*CKING MADE IT AND THEY DESERVE TO BE PAID FOR THEIR WORK! You ignorant prick!

Don't lie to us, man.

"a game valued at $30 on Wal-mart.com"

"they don't have to pay duty or tax of any sort on these imported games"

"while I'd love to support the system I love, I'm not going to buy into a broken profit scheme to do so."



So you can buy it from a web site, pay no special duties or taxes, and spend $30. But you won't pay to support the system you love.

ARRRR! ME MATIES......ARRRR!!!!!!!!!! !

/end of comment

does this one apply?



girls are like rocks, if they're flat skip um





happy 4th

but you head the nail on the head with Lumines. If i was DAX (i wish!), i would be pretty pissed to see all my efforts, for free, in my spare time, going into "downgrader CD's on ebay). YES, you can buy them. Disgusting

I didn't like that analogy cause the world would be better if there were no guns manufacturers and they know it but they keep producing it for money. Next time use a kitchen knife, it is for cutting food but people sometimes play with it and accidentally kill someone.

metalspector, have you seen this world without guns? I'm pretty sure they've found other resourceful ways to kill each other. Guns are a symptom of natural human violence.

fanjita is gay he sucks big pe pe

Fanjita, people who pirate have a moral backbone. I know I do, and I am pro-piracy. We just don't agree with paying extortionate prices for simple entertainment.

We are not belittling developers, artists, and movie-makers. But an extremely small percentage of the profit from these titles actually goes to the people who deserve it.

And I think you should also re-assess your views on UMD backups. Who wants to wait five minutes for their game to load when you can cut the time in half by using a backup, and not having to hear the UMD drive buzzing merrily away every time you move the analog stick?

The elitism point is also one I find to be very peculiar. If I have noticed anything about the way you act towards your adoring fans is that it has, strangely enough, a certain tone of elitism. And of course, the way you bash pirates is not what I would call elitist, more high-and-mighty.

Perhaps you should assess facets of your own personality and opinions before you bash us.

I'M SUPER POOR SO I PIRATE GAMES.

In all fairness, it's about property rights. You purchased the hardware you should be able to use it any way you see fit.



Wither it's to play your own personal backups, older ps1 games, or use it as an expensive tea cozy.



Piracy is a different issue, stealing is wrong. Backing up your games and using them on a different platform is not.

I knew this day would come one day, thanks for all your hard work and good luck in the future!!!!

one more thing. good luck getting custom firmwares now. Dark alex is gone. Thanks to some people ( who will remain nameless )



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The analogy wasn't good.

Besides, its like Sarah Connor said in T2:

"Men like you created the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think your so creative" (sorry but just love that movie!)



So you see, the choice is ours on whether to use homebrew for illegal purposes or not (which is the only way to learn responsibility, true) but if fanjita hadn't given us that ability, there wouldnt be ANY pirating at all! He made it accessible for illegal activities (even if he didnt do it intend for it to happen)



But anyway all said and done, I dnt choose a side, because I love having homebrew anyway!

to the guy who thinks fanjitas name sounds paki, you're no less. It's like saying you're a *****ing jew to a white brit such as yourself. Which I assume you are.



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i hate pirating i only did it once but never again by making a copy of a game and then giving away the umd off the game. i now hate pitating and have deleted the backup and now i buy my games.

Ok, people have to be very very stupid not to know that it is their resposability what they do or not do with their PSPs. If you downgrade and its succesfull, its your dammmmn choice and you had good luck, if it didnt went well and you ended up with a brick, well your choice also use it to build a house.



Dammit sony should just be *****ing happy at this. Cant you see that every damm time someone comes out with a DG or something like it, a Dammmn UMD is needed? I mean helloooooooooo thats why the sales chart go up and the Homebrew community is just helping those bastards. You think this leads to piracy? HELLL NO, this leads to sony selling millions of Lumines UMDs and making more money than what they already have.



So DG, use well the readmes and use whatever games you like, after all, they are already rich more or less is nothing to them!

Wow what a retard. STFU

Libraries are full of copyrighted materials and yet they also have several copy machines....hhhmmmm



GO FIGURE !!!!

listen people, you get some of you saying if i was DAX id be pissed about all my work making other people profit, but just think how much money he makes he gets alot of people donating to him and i mean thousands of people use this and some people from give 5 bux here and there he still makes one huge profit off it..... it looks like he quit cause either ( he failed his exams and his parrents are pissed) sony thretoned him or he just wants a real life and not listen to all you people diss him and put him down. (same as fanjita and the noobz team)

Or he failed at making 3.51 OE, and isn't man enough to admit it.

It's cause of you I'm able to play illegal iso!!! Thank you so much!!! Without you I'll never be able to do that!!!

Join the crew!!!

Why is everyone *****ing to Fanjita?



Wouldn't you want to make the most of your PSP? If the PSP can run Homebrew why not use it? You payed around $200 for it and your *****ing that Homebrew is a No-go?



What the ***** is wrong with everyone, Its like saying your Starving and theres a Packet of Chips right infront of you but you dont eat it cause you cant, Id *****in eat it.

First off, Fanjita has a point and I agree with what he is saying. Second, we have the will to choose what we want to do with our psp however there comes a responsibility to it. Piracy is a major concern in our world and that but continuing to do this, you people are only bringing the economy down and that it is morally unethical. For those of you that are blaming on these wonderful hackers that do it for free and only want to show the true potential of the psp, you guys are great greedy as*holes, ignorant, selfish, bast*rds. No offense but the more you guys blame and start flaming, the more I think that homebrew was a bad idea to start at first. At first, we people enjoy the idea of homebrew and how we can make our psp do different things but now, you guys are taking it for advantages. I say that it was a good thing for DAX to leave the PSP community because I believe that the PSP Homebrew community has gotten worst. As for piracy, no offense but I do it too however I actually download the ripped ones and the games that I find good, I actually buy it.



As for those who are bit*hing and all, you don't even deserve to have homebrew.



P.S Thank you all PSP Hackers and Supporters, you guys actually helped us to believe that we can do more with the PSP then we ever thought

I try many games when I finally find one I like I buy it. I've bought more games than I would of normally this way, I rule more games out on first glance these days because there is so much crap out there.



They expect us to buy on trust, that's why they put little effort into some games.

Too often have I bought games that were all marketing hype and why are all games the same price when they clearly aren't all the some quality.



I don't consider it piracy, that's a term of someone else and I choose not to accept piracy unless it's describing someone on a boat.



I think if you make a good game piracy isn't a issue.

Make a bad game and you'll need to try everything at your disposal to sell enough, even very underhanded things.

I really don't get how people can't understand the Gun thing. Its a freaking "analogy" a stataement thats meant to be 'LIKE' something else, not a direct comparison. A direct comparison would be:



"a homebrew enabler was made for psp, should we use it?"



"a homebrew enabler was made for PS3 as well, should we use it?"



I myself have been around a few copied games, sure, but this was years ago. The only thing i use my PSP's downgrade for is to play roms of old defunkt consoles i dont want my room to be cluttered with. That's still wrong, and i'm not justifying myself on any level here, BUT If i want a current PSP title, i'll buy the UMD.



You guys need to relax, understand that in the end, even the downgrade softwares aren't given to you. You download them yourselves, so if you dont even want to be tempted into piracy, just dont download the downgrade software. I garuntee everyone here has an illegal MP3 on thier computer, just to let you know, thats JUST as criminal, we're not bashing our heads out with that fact though, are we?



Peace out



Prime

Pirates Of The PSP gets it. No one else gets it, but Pirates Of The PSP does.

For the most part people that download the games dont have the money to buy the games in the first place. Also some games are impossible to get hold of in certain countries, fueling the problem (problem being people using isos) Also some countries get game releases before others, which is wholely unnecessary, they dnt do it with films as much partly for piracy reasons. so why continue to do it with games when they know a bunch of people in one country who dont get the game for another month will be tempted to just download it.

with that said In an ideal world where people had morals and ethics we wouldnt need people telling us what to do. However, not everyone does and will screw the games dev and intern themselves. so as with age ratings and drink restrictions people need to be guided.

So stop implementing iso loaders in the firmwares they are not necessary.

Put it this way a firmware without iso loader is a gun without a bullet. it still looks flashy etc but it cant harm a soul.

Why would people want to pirate, no...Why would people have the "need" to pirate? There are loads of free, fun homebrew out there, and none of them require pirating (as far as my knowledge goes).

sorry for having posted with your name Ken, I hope you understand my point as I think I have fully understanded yours.



Regards



CEO PIRACY CORPORATION

Buying guns is waaaay easier than you think dude. i could walk outside right now and go up to one of the hundred illegals that live in Massachusettes and i could get my hands on a gun by tonight

The downgrader was made for legal uses only.

Reader: You're an idiot. Guns save more lives daily than they take yearly. How? Because a gun in the hand of an honest citizen is a tool of self-protection. Only in the hands of the insane, the completely ignorant, or the criminal does a gun become something bad.



As for homebrew: I personally couldn't care less about ISOs. I want homebrew for the old school emulators. The games I want to play are the ones I've purchased at LEAST once when they were new. Why should I have to buy them again? Just because Sony has a new medium, I should fork over another $30? No thanks. It's the same with UMD movies. Why should I pay more than a DVD when I can just rip the DVD down and place the movie on a memstick? I've already purchased the movie once, why should I be forced to purchase it again to watch it on Sony's viewer?

You're so poor you can afford a $200 handheld gaming system???

It would have never come to this if Sony actually supported Homebrew games and apps. If that were the case then they could also help safeguard their system from piracy. But no, Sony wants to be stubbon about it so people like FANJITA and A.D start a revolution in homebrew, but to honest peoples dismay, in there efforts is a way of piracy. But in all it is just like pulling the trigger of a gun. If you are against it, don't pull the trigger. But if your for it, then pull the trigger{ but make sure the gun is pointed to your forehead.} All kidding aside, Sony, you asked for this. Don't blame nobody but yourselves. But that is what greed does to these major corperations now and days.

i used to have a psp and used to pirate games all day, but then i sold it cause i needed douigh

If you own a car, your car has windows. Windows are made of glass. Glass breaks. This means it's easy for me to break into your car and steal either the contents of your car, or the car itself. Ergo, cars shouldn't have windows because they make it possible for me to steal your stuff.



Just because it's there, doesn't mean it's meant to be used. An 'illegal copy' is a copy made of software you don't own. As far as I knew, per Copyright Law section 117, you are entitled to making a backup of software you have actually paid for and own. So a copy by itself isn't necessarily 'illegal', and having the ability to play a copy that you own is the key here. If it's being used for illegal purposes, there's nothing they can do to stop it. So the fault here, is not of the coders, but the people who are using it for illegal purposes. It's not your fault you own a car, it's my fault for breaking into it. And that's the truth.

POST CLOSED: F^^^ IT PRIVATE ONLY IF UR POOR CUZ THEN U CANT HELP NEXT *****A TO SAY SOMETHING IS GAY

i support fan and agree with what he is saying.



another way he could have put the "guns" comments into a way that people could relate to even more is like this



if someone is hacking computers it isnt microsoft who gets in trouble. the said hacker is to blame.



i believe that 90% of people who put homebrew CFW onto their PSP did it directly for the ability to play roms. i would be telling a lie if i said i didnt, but the truth is even i did it for that reason. i can say why i did it(i will at the end) but guilty is guilty. i agree with fanjita and am actually kinda feeling bad to admit that he was talking about me.



my reason:



i've only put FCW onto my psp for 1 game only. a game that is quite old and has been impossable for me to find. seeings how the game companies cant re-manufacture old games at request, and wont even if the ability existed, this is the only way i have of getting the game. i do not intend on getting any other games or emulators. the end cant justify the means. guilty is guilty. but this is the only solution i can find.

ok. this Ken guy really sux ****

get a life dude.

u dont work for Sony.

Maybe Sowni.

but not SOny

L@@K YOU B!TCH A$$ SCOOBYDOO HEAD IGNORAMUS' and all those who complain to fanjita AND noobz about piracy. what the ***** do u know? WHAT THE F^ck Has DONKEYass entertainment (SONY) done for you lately? all they do is ***** up all day long. so, the UMD games on psp suck cause sony is ignorant to what the consumer needs. In conclusion, ***** SONY AND ***** YOU *****s who complain about piracy when you are the silly *****es pirating games. you hypocritical nuts. you should be thanking coders like fanjita and dark alex and the noobz that release files. if it were not for them their would be no psp community, and you would be blowing money on expensive games. if you didn't know the more UMD units sony sells the higher the retail price gets or it remains high, either or....