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Daedalus R8 - Coming Sooner Than Expected? [Update]

Posted Aug 17, 2006 at 10:12AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: Homebrew Development, Homebrew Emulators, Emulators Tags: Daedalus, N64, ps2dev, psp homebrews, ROM, StrmnNrmn, Zelda

[UPDATE]

Well, it seems that some brilliant member of our comments section (Visigotico) took it upon himself to re-compile the emulator with this one-line fix. He has also taken the liberty as to compile a separate version with frame skip set at 1. StrmnNrmn has stated that adding frame skip will not show a drastic increase, but Visigotico compiled it anyways (maybe to hush those complainers of frame skip). According to StrmnNrmn, frame skipping will only add about 0.5 fps to the overall rate - nothing noticeable.

You can view the original article below the line to find out what you can expect from StrmnNrmn in a few days; the speed increases for a few games due to this fix can be found below as well. The download is not of StrmnNrmn's next version but rather a small user update to R7 with the speed fix.

Download: [Daedauls Pre-R8 Release - Compiled by Visigotico]

StrmnNrmn never ceases to amaze us with his optimizations and constant updates to his Daedalus N64 emulator. StrmnNrmn originally ported the Daedalus N64 emulator over the PSP earlier on this year, and since then has been improving the emulator's speed and compatibility non-stop. We've seen several new builds come before us, each one better than the previous with mainly speed increases - something of which everyone loves to hear.

It seems that the man behind the fastest N64 emulator on the PSP has done it again - he has improved the overall speed of Daedalus. After reading a single post by Soatome over at PS2Dev, he realized a crucial part in his code that could be easily improved/modified. This single line was change from sceCtrlReadBufferPositive to sceCtrlPeekBufferPositive. Strmn states that this single adjustment has improved the speed of many games by a few frames due to the stalling for a frame every time the ROM read the status of the pad (controller/buttons). StrmnNrmn has listed a few of the speed increases (very impressive from R7) -

Mario now runs at at steady 15fps in most places, and around 20fps indoors etc (it reaches over 35fps in the main menu, and close to 30 in some scenes.) Zelda now runs at around 8fps in game, and up to 20fps in certain places. The 'nintendo' logo at the start runs at over 90fps :D The MarioKart Nintendo logo now runs at 30fps, and the main menu (with the flag) runs at a solid 15fps. In game it's a comfortable 12fps. Starfox runs at around 15fps - the intro runs at 25-30fps. Quest64 runs at 20fps.

Due to this unexpected speed increase, StrmnNrmn has stated that we may see a release of R8 sooner than later! Although no specific time table was given, we should definetly see a release by the end of the week or early next week.

Via StrmnNrmn

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NOTE - Please download R7 first and then copy this folder over to your PSP's directory, it only contains the updated eboot (not the other required files)

Thanks Branin for sending in the tip, but us bloggers didn\'t get notified about it until I had already started the article after I saw StrmnNrmn\'s blog when I woke up.

1st post hopefully ;)

# Alright — Guest 2006-08-17 06:05

But when are we going to see frame skip introduced? This all means nothing to me if it's still taking twice as long to do everything.

# No need — Guest 2006-08-17 06:10

StrmnNrmn said a while ago that frame skip speed up performance less than 1%

# Hell yea — Guest 2006-08-17 06:13

Now this is the shyt i like to hear! Wow StrmnNrmn its freeking great news man! AWSOMEEEEEEEEE! !!!!!!!!!!

# Awesome — Guest 2006-08-17 06:14

Crazy how one word in a line of code could make that big of an increase in speed. 15fps constant in Mario? Daaayim, we're(he's) gettin close, I'm startin to get excited.

When this does hit playable speeds I'm going to be eternally grateful of you, StrmnNrmn.

# @#3 — Guest 2006-08-17 06:16

It's not about performence. It's about being able to play it without it feeling slugish, and taking twice as long to do everything.

# Great work — Guest 2006-08-17 06:17

I really have hope for a full speed emu. Keep it up man.

# Guest 2006-08-17 06:18

With these improvements we'll soon get a full running emulator with sound and with High compatibily for Christmas.. Cant' wait =^_^="

# cool — Guest 2006-08-17 06:19

cool more speed increase!!! thx for ur work!

# Amazing! — Nicolas B. 2006-08-17 06:20

That is amazing news. 15 fps is GREAT, and 20 fps is perfectly playable. If he could get it to run at 20 fps for most games, I'd be set.

I never would have imagined that so much progress could have been made on something like this!

*Waves finger at the naysayers of the past*

# hahahaha — Guest 2006-08-17 06:41

hahahahahahahah ahahahahahahaha DS can suk my balls

PSP forever!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

# It wasn't ps2dev.org — Guest 2006-08-17 06:57

When you read the comments on strmnnrmn's blog, PSdonkey was the one who gave strmnnrmn the code first to optimize his emulator not ps2dev.org. Qj.net needs to get their info correct.

# wow — Guest 2006-08-17 06:58

this is great news

cant wait

# . — Mystic8277 2006-08-17 07:07

Ah ***** now the staff are trying to get first post :'''''''''''''''''''''''''''(

# suweee.. — nar180 2006-08-17 07:11

Can't wait!

# woot — Guest 2006-08-17 07:17

i love this guy

# Comments - — Guest 2006-08-17 07:18

I just had to get first post so no one else claims they did, I hate those kinds of posts

# FIRST POST!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! — Guest 2006-08-17 07:31

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTT

# Daedalus!!! — Guest 2006-08-17 07:40

I could not imagine that so much prograss could have been done in such a short time. This has been truly the summer of PSP homebrew. Too bed about $ony and Devhook not getting along. The patch was not evan oficial devhook fix.

# @10 — Guest 2006-08-17 07:47

20 fps being playable is only in emulators where frame skipping is used and helps the speed. since this emulator doesnt use frame skipping, wouldnt full speed have to be 60 fps?

# What happened to PSPmonkey? — Guest 2006-08-17 07:50

And his emulator?

# 19# — Guest 2006-08-17 07:52

O ive got a feeling devhook will be appearing again very soon :wink:

# sound — capone363 2006-08-17 08:05

cant wait till they get full sound emulation on this!

# daedalus EBOOT — visigotico 2006-08-17 08:21

eboot of daedalus recompiled with sceCtrlPeekBuff erPositive.

OBS.: no zip support, no png support since zlib and lib png is missing in my environment.

frameskip = 1

http://rapidshare.de/files/29775959/daedalus_fs.zip.html

no frameskip

http://rapidshare.de/files/29776529/daedalus_nofs.zip.html

# think about it — Tooplex 2006-08-17 08:34

Think how popular StrmnNrmn will be once this becomes full speed i want to donate but im only 15 god dam you!

# 24# — Guest 2006-08-17 08:50

Will someone test this just incase hes messing around and made a bricking tool.

Probelydidn't buti'm never to careful.

# visigotico 2006-08-17 09:07

it isn't, but I do not see much difference in the speed...

# Not R8 — Guest 2006-08-17 09:14

The R* version is not relased yet !

# yeah — Guest 2006-08-17 09:19

visigotico made a little change but not to much maybe R8 would improve more

# visigotico 2006-08-17 09:21

it's only a unoficial version... daedalus is opensource.. U can change and recompile...

# sooooooo fasssssttt!!!!! — Guest 2006-08-17 09:46

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# do u remember — Guest 2006-08-17 09:49

i love how they keep working on this but this may be off topic

remember when pspupdates released an email from zombii about a full speed n64 emu? did that ever release or was it a hoax

# to #32 — Guest 2006-08-17 10:06

It was a hoax.

# Guest 2006-08-17 10:07

it was a hoax

# HE DID TELL HOW SOON! — DuRoLuRo 2006-08-17 10:12

He actually did say that, it is comming,

THIS WEEKEND, OR EARLY NEXT WEEK!

# Emulators — Guest 2006-08-17 10:32

If a ps1 emulator can work at full speed with sound why not n64? maybe even dreamcast =)

# thx — Guest 2006-08-17 10:35

thank you so mutch StrmnNrmn ^^

# sound — Guest 2006-08-17 10:43

everyone needs to realize that sound is way far off probly on the bottim of his list of things to worry about maybe a solid 40 fps ingame then we'll talk sound

# This is Sweet Increase in speed.........................YES.....!!! — Guest 2006-08-17 10:45

nocomment

# to clarify — Guest 2006-08-17 10:54

to ne1 thinking of y no frameskip is included, reason: frame skip is used to skip graphical renders of the game, this is useless in this case because the graphical rendering is have no problem being displayed, except for minor little polygons. the real bottleneck is the code itself. you cant skip processes, workin on the psp's code from a ported emu is like workin to make a curved road straight, and which makes it harder since there is only 1 person workin on that road. frameskip will only be useful if the code is perfectly able to process faster than the graphics being rendering. which will take quiet a while, to be able to fully acheive the speed he needs, he will have to continue working mainly on the what the processor is processing.

to people that cant appreciate what this guy is doing for the community i would suggest that u hold ur tongue, or else you might just loose it in your stupidity

...............hows that StrmnNrmn.................nice work and good luck in future indevores............

# yeahhhh!!!!!!!! !! — Guest 2006-08-17 11:39

1st post!!!!!!!!!!

I cant believe it!!!!!!!!!

# a lil more — Guest 2006-08-17 11:44

15fps constant is damn good for this early emulator. Once it hits 24fps constant I'll be happy. If a 64 emu can run this fast on the PSP, a psx emu should run at full speed then.

# Nice One — turkeyowens 2006-08-17 12:15

thanks...but i hope he can get it to about 25 fps because then that will be really playable

# People... — Guest 2006-08-17 12:27

People asking for 30+ fps and so on. The native n64 system would not even get over those fps on most games. Turn it on and play GoldenEye for like 10 mins. The game is choppy. As long as the fps could stay above 25fps the emu would be just about perfect.

# Complainer - read me — Guest 2006-08-17 12:29

Please do not complain because it is free and they are doing their jobs to improve it. Please do not complain at all, ok ?

# full speed mario — Guest 2006-08-17 12:42

if you guys go to [WEBSITE REMOVED, DO NOT LINK TO ROM SITES] and download mario 64 there, one of the roms in the set has a hacked version that runs at double speed, and it flys on the psp! one problem, there is no save setting for in the daedalus.ini, but if one of you guys fix that, you\'l have a full speed mario 64 rom, and as a sidenote, maybe someone could create an app that doubles the roms internal speed

# Recompiled versions — Guest 2006-08-17 13:08

Am I the only one that can't get the recompiled versions to work? I've tried both, and each crashes on startup. It shows some text then crashes.

# Guest 2006-08-17 13:13

Which one is it theres like 20

# recompiled doesnt work — Guest 2006-08-17 13:17

I Cant get it to work neither

# Gee — Guest 2006-08-17 13:17

Maybe the ones shown in TFA?

# Guest 2006-08-17 13:22

do you just replace the eboot with the new recompiled one, thats how Ive benn trying it but it just tells me that it cant find any roms. maybe it was just a bad update eboot or something?

# Dont Read This!! — Guest 2006-08-17 15:16

Dont you listen to instructions? O.K If this goes to full speed Ima shave my head. Promise.

# Better than VBA — Guest 2006-08-17 16:04

In visigotico version, StarCraft and Harvest Moon dosen´t work !

But a have like a 11 or 15 fs in Mario ! Great improvement...

this emulator is going better than PSPVBA !

PSPVBA sound is sux yet...

The best emulator in this mouth is so far NJ´s CPS2 !!!

Hi´s the best coder ! Maybe they can help with other emulators...

# JUST A QUICK Q — Guest 2006-08-17 16:35

nocomment

# JUST A QUICK Q — Guest 2006-08-17 16:38

IS THERE A WAY TO GO BACK TO THE PSP MAIN MENU WITHOUT HAVING TO TURN OFF THE PSP? THE HOME BOTTON JUST FREEZES MY PSP THANKS

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK StrmnNrmn

# just a thought — Guest 2006-08-17 16:49

these graphics look pretty good...

for most games its possible to increase the speed by degrading the graphics quality

if this is possible here then it should definitely be done because speed is definitely the most important thing here

# Hombrew is going down — Guest 2006-08-17 17:07

We at Sony are going to rid PSP's of hombrew. We will release firmare updates that will make you update to play future games and those updates will include a way to stop Devhook from lauching on the next firmare updates.

# sucka!!!! — Guest 2006-08-17 17:24

@57

yeah you have a 2.8 and youre angry

# haha poster 57 = moron pole smoker — Guest 2006-08-17 17:30

Okay Mr. Sony Rep. We may as well just all update to 2.80 now that you've straightened that out for us. Damn..... Sony employees sure work late. 09:07PM damn they are really dedicated!

# o Rly? — Guest 2006-08-17 17:31

Do you idiots actually belive that anybody would think you were sony or booster in the earlier posts. Go outside and stop being trolls u little ds fanboys.

# Does this guy have a place I can donate money? — Guest 2006-08-17 17:36

Man this is worth 5 or 10 bucks fior a donation

# lol — Guest 2006-08-17 17:39

you can donate me ^^

# Hombrew is going down — Guest 2006-08-17 17:41

We at Sony encourage you to update. Homebrew is useless and is giving Sony a bad name.

# Guest 2006-08-17 17:46

We @ $ony r n00bs lolooolol we only makin firmwarz cus then big companees wont complaine and we wont git negativ presss so da ps3 cud pwn!!!! we no we suck but we donts care lolololooolllol

# ok......... — Guest 2006-08-17 17:47

to sony

ok if you know a lot of sony:

1st what is a .prx?

2nd what does the eboot have?

3rd what is a reboot.bin

if you answer that i would stop flaming you

# A message to pspupdates — Guest 2006-08-17 17:52

Hello QJ.net community

We at Sony are trying to rid PSP's of hombrew by encouraging to update your firmware. The 3.00 firmware will include a Playstation emulator that will allow you to play all your favorite games of the Playstation era. We will reveal the prices of the Playstation roms later this year. We consider hombrew activity illegal and we do not encourage to use hombrew. We at Sony are trying to make the PSP community a friendly enviroment.

From A Sony GAP Representitive

# do you think youre smart — Guest 2006-08-17 17:54

@ 66

answer my questions and i update to 2.8 ^^

# lol — Guest 2006-08-17 18:03

what i was thinking he's just an angry dude that update to 2.8, go and cry with mama!!!!

# 1st post — Guest 2006-08-17 18:21

OMG FIRST POST I CAN'T BELIEVE IT

I AM AMAZING WITH MAD INTERNET SKILLZ

# sony — Guest 2006-08-17 18:51

dude...you guys realize the person "Sony" is just a joke. Sheesh. Sarcasm really doesn't translate well over the internet. It's a JOKE PEOPLE!! So quit asking what a .prx is and crap like that.

...Because...you know how those Sony employees like to comment on homebrew sites on behalf of their entire company and lawyers. yaaa. that's it.

And no, most likely he doesn't have a 2.8 or else he wouldn't be making a smart alec remark about how "bad" homebrew is.

i'm surrounded by a.ssholes!

# lol @ sony idiots — Guest 2006-08-17 18:51

The only reason I got a psp was for an actual portable snes / megadrive... Real UMD PSP games need to improve in order for me to actually consider upgrading and removing all my homebrew.

Oh, and I can have the best of both worlds at the moment with devhook....

# Farewell homebrew — Guest 2006-08-17 19:12

We at Sony are glad to see such fire among the homebrew community. So much, that we can easily find the troublemakers. Thanks to everyone on this forum as well as the homebrew community.

Regards,

Sony

# N64 rocks — the_darkside_986 2006-08-17 19:15

And so does this emulator. N64 games are generally more entertaining than the PS2 to PSP ports of cheesy games. I do like the Katamari game for the PSP. GTA:LCS was sort of a disappointment except when it let me downgrade after I foolishly updated to 2.5 and then 2.6.

PSP games just don't have a certain quality that the N64 games had... there's a name for it, I just can't remember... oh yeah, it's called FUN.

# Sony? — Guest 2006-08-17 20:44

Why would a person working at Sony be here? wait a minute.....no it couldnt be. You wouldnt happen to be some kid with a updated PSP would you? lol. Besides, even if we couldnt use devhook to emulate a higher firmware version, im sure we could make something like it. U see, its like u can run a N64 game with a rom, and if u cant do that, then make ur own version of the game that is compatible. Im sure we could make a copy of a new firmware, with modifications to security, because on a 1.50, well....u can do just about anything.

# Illegal Activity — Guest 2006-08-17 21:31

We at Sony are only concerned with money, which is why we will, and always will, consider your cash more important than your entertainment value. In addition, I smell of cheese.

# Sony — Guest 2006-08-17 22:38

We at Sony are all males, but do not like vaginas. We only are liked because of our quality electronic goods, and get made fun of at work. Please do not make fun of us on an internet forum because we will make you enjoy vaginas, if you do not already. Vaginas are course and make you feel a strange feeling. Also, Homebrew is bad...don't do it..unless your male and like vaginas.

# N64 Emu. — CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS 2006-08-17 22:57

Good job. This is getting better and better. Keep it up and thanks for all the hard work.

# visigotico 2006-08-18 01:30

"Well, it seems that some brilliant member of our comments section (Visigotico) took it upon himself to re-compile the emulator..."

Ok... I'm only a hasty noob....

God saves brilliant StrmnNrmn!!!!!

# what firmware is daedalus available for — Guest 2006-08-18 01:33

nocomment

# what about save — Guest 2006-08-18 02:46

ive seen how fast the emu can this is awsome but now i want to save on games and the only game i can do that for sure is mario need save please

# mario save — zodionic 2006-08-18 04:36

can someone tell me the full name of a mario rom that will definatly save? i havent found one that does yet and ive been through loads

# do you know how to save? — Guest 2006-08-18 04:59

after you get a star and it asks you to save you pres yes and continue then after that you press select on psp and its saved

# gay — Guest 2006-08-18 05:20

its still going to be gay dumb queer

# Full speed mario — Guest 2006-08-18 05:23

wow 46 good call man it really does run full speed with what looks like a lil frameskip even when using the no frameskip version. i found the site that had it using google with the search terms mario64 and romhustler!!

# Full speed mario — Guest 2006-08-18 05:30

oh yeah make sure you use the speed version in the dl pack

# tried it — lansingone 2006-08-18 06:47

i found that i can't get FPS over 10 outside the castle in mario 64 and in some of the small rooms i can't get FPS over 13, all using the frame skip virsion. so it must be only in the real R8 that you can get up to 15 FPS, not in this patch. also i used the speed mario rom everyone is talking about, and from what i gather it is faster even though FPS are still the same cuase it has some fast forward feture set on, it would help if somone could :A make more roms have that on, and :B make it go much faster so it would be to fast to even play at upwards of 20 FPS. as only somthing to play around with and to shut up people saying its not fast enough yet, of course

# blah — Guest 2006-08-18 06:55

you guys have to remember that it is not emulating sound. imagine if sound was there, it would run even slower. plus there are tons of graphical issues so its still not at full speed. good job to the creator though, amazing work.

# hey lansing — Guest 2006-08-18 07:02

you should try disabling large tris, with that i get pritty much constant 15 fps or more

# Hombrew will soon be over — Guest 2006-08-18 09:21

You people are using your PSP to run illegal programs that are trash. Sony is going to rid hombrew someday with a firmware. The PSP is ment to play UMD games not this thrash from years ago. I support Sony all the way and if your not down with that i've got two words for you SUCK IT!

# Guest 2006-08-18 09:44

#89 you are so damn stupid ... :°D

# Awesome speed increase! — DarkLink5607 2006-08-18 11:10

i didn't think i'd be getting this just a few days after getting R7 :)

one little problem with qj.net's download. The daedalus_fs and no_fs zip files are switched around. Daedalus_nofs actually does have the frameskip. Just thought i'd point that out

# Mario 64 'Playable Speed' — Guest 2006-08-18 12:56

If you follow what 84 said, and then use the 'Speed' rom(comes in a pack with like 15), the game i must admit plays very well, it does have its slow downs, but it could easily be improved to play full quality from the looks. I had about 16 - 22 FPS while fighitng Bomb-Omb which was reallly enjoyable.

# 1.0 - 2.xx? — Guest 2006-08-18 12:58

where's the folder for these firmwares? if there is none, what do i do with the two folders?

# Guest 2006-08-18 13:39

you are just to good man keep up the great work

# 1st — Guest 2006-08-18 14:06

1st post yeah beat that

# try it — Guest 2006-08-18 14:44

rampage runs at 45 fts most of the time with the framesskip version

# Super Mario 64 (U) [t2] (Speed).z64 — Guest 2006-08-18 16:10

works pretty well... put sound in and bring it up by 5-10 fps and the game is fully playable. i only tried it on the frame skip one

# meay — Guest 2006-08-18 17:12

i wish y lazt bastarvcs woyld speef this ***** p a little

# R8 is available for download — Guest 2006-08-18 17:54

Check PS2nFO.COM

# interesting... — Guest 2006-08-18 20:24

Things get better and better... Good luck with getting sound to run at 30fps on Zelda, I'd have an orgasim

# Hell Yeah! — Guest 2006-08-18 21:55

StrmnNrmn keep up the awsome work, this shows the power of the PSP. You just gave me another reason not to upgrade. StrmnNrmn you the man!!

# Guest 2006-08-19 03:20

plx where can i dowload other games appart from mario 64?

# We Give Up — Guest 2006-08-19 03:35

Over the past few days, I have posted numerous times displaying my hatred of homebrew. However, after examining the site closer, all of us here at Sony have decided to replace the motherboards in our current PSPs and buy Undiluted Platinum chips. Thank you homebrew community for your continued support of the PSP.

*This has been a message from your local service station*

-------------

So yeah... For real, good work Captain StrmnNrmn Man. I salute you.

# save — Guest 2006-08-21 08:44

please put save sopport on alot of games please thanks and its so fast thanks

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