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i was waiting for this...

ir shell

I think iR shell should have got 1st, but thats just me.

#2

It's not just you, I think IRshell should get 1st too...

@2 and 3

I think iRShell should have gotten 1st, too.

@2,3 and 4

Yup, IR Shell should have gotten first. Not to take away from deniska but to me IR Shell is much more useful for everyday life. I don't get lost much. Anyhow, congrats to all of the winners and thanks for your time and energy. .A.J.

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What a bust. I don't agree with the placing at all.

Totally bull***** results

These judges are pretty retarded. I mean look at this - Dr.Neo Sand Box Doesn't start on my PSP ... How can you not get Sandbox to work ? Plus they didnt do anything about the guy who cheated (who ultimately got 7th place!) Total Bull*****!

$n!pR the judges are retarded LOL

It was a public vote so are you saying that everyone that has voted and had a different opinion to you is a retard?

Congrats to all the winners, it was all well deserved!

@8

The public vote was just one factor to the final results. The judges made the final decision. I too think the results are rather off, not really aiming at coding skill/coding effort, but more on the likelyness of the judges to the one or other program (yes I'm unhappy with my 8th place, though I still believe my demo wasn't that great at all... but hell... it was at least way more sweat&blood put into it than that screen repair set, but I'm not complaining here). Also the case of the obvious cheater is a big drawback for neoflash I think. They should have been more strict there. I honor though that they decided to accept multiple same places and extend the prizes accordingly. I'm still looking forward to the next compo after all.

congrats to all

nice guys, and gongrats to all winners and loosers. awsome aps and programs :D

cool

MapThis! won! yess!! hahaha :D nice job.. congrats to all! :) myopinion: iR shell is awesome, but damn complicated :D make it more user-friendly! :)

71M Shoulda Won!

Trig Wars was definitely the best game..the judging sucked balls..oh well better luck next time 71M!

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Who cheated?

@isti

IRshell 2.0 (the entered version) features an easy to use menu by pressing start. Use that. The game called 'Escape' cheated and got 30 extra votes, all by similar e-mail addresses. He wouldn't have even got a prize if he hadn't cheated.

After seeing the results doc

After seeing the results doc, i'm pretty pist. The judges were horible. Really I still think ThrottleX deserved 1st or 2nd. Second someone spam their votes ( going from 5 - 35 in one night, Thats pure cheating yet they still gave him 9 points for the poll ). ***** my prize, I dont want it.

correction

My bad. Select is the menu button for iRShell

Results

Just noticed that taichi didn't even get one single point from the judges, so if the votes weren't manipulated he wouldn't have been in the top10 and flower2 would instead have gotten the 10th place. Really bad for him, it's a shame :(

Look, honestly IRShell has been around way before the competition started. As a judge, I would dock a lot of points because of that solely. Yet,somehow, he still managed to get 2nd place. Good for him. MapThis! is a great achievement, deniska has managed to implement something that few could do. It ranks up pretty high on the complexity scale in terms of programming. Here's hoping he tackles a keyboard mod next! The top 4 PSP games are all excellent (and they're all winners), so why is everyone complaining?

I agree with PSmonkey after reading comments

Dr. Neo: TrigWars > Awfull game play, too dark, unplayable in my opinion - come on, awfull game play? True it's a little bit dark, but there's still that screen brightness adjustment button on your psp... Sand Box > Doesn't start on my PSP ... - du'h, actually, ThrottleX didn't start out of the box. Also, where is the judging on that from Dr. neo? Am I blind or is it really missing? 5) EI0 Map editor + OSlib map loading source code >> No useful, every coder can do such code thing and there is a lot of better map editor (GBA Graphics by Oslib creator...) since using a PSP based map editor isn't easy or fast... - then why place it 5th?? 7) Screen Repair Set >> There is already a lot of videos to correct stuck pixels, and they work with any firmware...It is hard to say something else on this app since I don't avec any stuck pixel. - again, why place 7th then? corey1492: > Sandbox Not really a game but a tech demo… needs UMD? - uhhhh....? 6) You might be a game developer LOL (originality 9) - LOL?.... I mean... yeah... wtf? Also the third judge for PSP didn't give any comments at all (probably better?).

correction

I've told you it's complicated :D

ThrottleX

Note that I didn't get ANY points from Dr.Neo, because he completely missed my game. It doesn't even have a comment such as "Don't work, lmao!", it's just not mentioned. That's a possible 10 points docked v_v.

I'm still really pist about this

How come no site is making a big deal about this. It's obvious the results are *****ed up and they leave it be. Yet this site tries to give more time and every site out there gets pist off and that they are rigging the compo.

Nice...

they probably winning some neoflash yunk. Congratulation. Btw, if someone beats the irSHELL it has to be super great, something that people cant be without, something that everyone can use and also use everyday. Funny, have never tried that map GPS thing.

... BS.

This seems to be the poorest competition judging I have ever heard of. I myself am a huge fan of IRShell. I would go to say that deniske's comment in the poll did actually sway the judges. Maybe they needed Chuck Norris. *Thumbs... UP*

My top 3

Here´s my personal top 3: 1. R-Gear 2.TrigWars 3.Sandbox That´s my view

OMG

Horrible results.... ThrottleX is better than 3rd!!! And I have no clue how the screen repair set got anywhere on there... Even I could make that... anyone could actually.

AWFUL JUDGING

Should've been like ThrottleX TrigWars R-Gear Sandbox Droplets Luminex and Escape shouldn't have even been in the top 10...the guy cheated on the polls, everyone saw it, why wasn't he disqualified and maybe even banned from future competitions. Frankly, his game couldv'e been coded in 5 minutes. I think apps results weren't bad, but RemaPSP and MMSPlus should've been switched. Booooo to the judges.

ok?

Ir shell second? you must be stupid to not like/know how to use IR .... omg ahman even use the start button as help screen... I FRIGGIN LOVE IR SHELL! useful too! but on the other hand, mapthis ROCKS, i just wouldn't vote it number 1 tho, if it was a tie id say awesome, but ir shell certainly deserve more. Also... trig war? getting too challenging.. they should have a "select your difficulty" which in easy mode, the green ones aren't as dodgy as they are and you fire way faster, like the very first version of the game, and then normal mode, you fire slightly faster and enemy get little smarter, and so on, i had to keep both the buggy old version and the newest version of trig war on my opsp -.-

couple comments

if you didnt know, iRshell has been entered in previous compos. There is not much different since before. There were only 10 entries for PSP apps, so all of them got a place. As to the cheaters: we have (had) no way of tracking what user logged what vote. I do know in the past month we have been getting a wave of 'autospam' type posts, where an automated account sign up and following that spam posts are found in the forum. If I had been able to proove cheating (wrather than the possibility of getting a bunch of people to vote where others didnt ask others to vote), the entry would have been entirely disqualified. As it is, Im not happy either, but have no proof one way or the other. #20 - I found _no_ gaming aspect to sandbox. Ooh, look, I can move stuff around on the screen. Gets boring really fast. And yes, I was laughing my ass off at the lua script, I felt it deserved some points for origionality if nothing else. sandbox: the attachment didnt work. It is a stipulation of the contest that the entry be attached to the post (mainly so we can tell if it was altered after contest close), its essentially the poster's fault for leaving a faulty attachment and not arranging it with us to have the extremely large actual files hosted on our site elsewhere. TO THE REST OF YOU: PSMonkey: your crappy entry didnt deserve any better. (how does it feel to have your time spit on like you are on ours?) You dont like free stuff? New programs to use? Tell Dr.neo to stop holding compos, Im sure we can arrange that much more easily wrather than putting in 30-60 manhours dealing with all the crud around a compo... 28: boo to the people who aren't judges and didnt have to wade through 80 programs (took me close to 8 hours, with comments and all) in assorted and sometimes broken english funky hard to read instructioned installation packages, but simply had to pick one and vote.

cory1492

I agree with your comments regarding you did not find enough gaming aspects in sandbox but this also is a coding compo and there was far more technical things in it then other entries that scored higher. Second I noted in my post I tried uploading freaking 2-3 times. Every single time the forum times out. I was TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO ISSUE UPLOADING A LARGE FILE. Yet me and many others had issues with uploading large entries (even another user had to upload to an off site). So dont give me that bull*****. I also dont want your crap. *****ing even pull me from the results page. Its better that way. Alot of coders are commenting on how *****ed up your results were.

cory1492

There, I made a post on the forums requesting my entry and result be removed. Atleast hopefuly now the guy in 11th who was robbed of a place will get something now. Me personaly your compo are a waste and I will aways advise coders against them. I still personaly dont think bad of Dr.Neo but god you guys need to learn how to run a psp compo.

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PSmonkey: Which is why the entry was judged by those of us actually able to get it wrather than disqualified. If you had submitted it as an APP instead of a game, I personally wouldnt have looked at it like a game (ie: personal enjoyment, play-ability). Remeber, it was a GAME section and not a TECH demo section (albeit a wonderful, unique, tech demo with great potential to actually become a game - it still wasnt a game) On how _my_ results were, or on how the overall contest results were? If you want to make it personal, I would wrather have not spent 12-14 hours over the course of 4 days (of my already _very_ busy schedule) rounding up and taking the time to actually try all of these entries to later have my own judgment questioned (and later bicker about the cheaters and spend 4 hours trying to track who might have cheated, debating whether the people who used the splash screen as an eboot image instead should be disqualified... etc). You all make me feel it was indeed a mistake to share the scoresheets at all - they are not in question, and were deemed essentially final/acceptable by the judges. What it probably comes down to, and few people seem to realize this: the coders did their best, the judges did their best, the cheaters did their best... this is the end result (regardless of if anyone agrees with it or likes it, be it coders, observers, judges or hapless fools)

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"deemed essentially final/acceptable by the judges" and before you ask, I did bring up the cheating issue to the judges, it went largely uncommented on (and even I disagree with that) but I was told to release the results, so I did.

cory1492

I told you I have less issues with your personal scores. I have issues with the compo as a whole. Again it was not hard to see who cheated by jumping 30 votes overnight and constantly boosting 2-4 votes every time ThrottleX was tied with it. I would never submit sandbox as an app because that is cheating. Sandbox is not an app nor was it targeting it. It was targeting being a small collection of games. Sure it failed to fully achive that in time but that is due to me being too ambisious insted of just pulling a 2d game out of my ass like everybody else. I undstand the hours you put into making this compo work but so did us the coders. I was running on 4 hours of sleep the final day of the compo and I even regret that. I also was staying up till 4-6am every day the week before to push more in. There still was poor putting together of the compo imo. Hell still no explination why DrNeo skipped throttleX or why he coult not run mine (he is the first to actualy say they had an issue). Only keeping scores of the top 10 also skews the results.

@cory: He has his point

I'm really on PSmonkey's side there. I mean, I understand it's hard ass (and partially boring) work to run a compo. Nothing that many would do, or could do successfully (see other compos started). Yet, PSmonkey is right that it actually was a "coding compo", and although it had its topics "app" and "game", the coding effort put into one entry should be valued higher than you judges did (I expected that bias from the public poll, but even that was more objective in the end I believe). At least that's my understanding of what a "coding compo" should be. Also you announced the compo to be aimed at getting good new homebrew done, but I'd call that goal not achieved with a lot of entries which still got placed rather high. Also, I don't really see what that "you are an developer..." script was more original than my demo. Both were utterly unique in it's kind, so yes, it deserved it's point for originality, but it deserved no single point for coding effort or usefullness, nor for being specially on-topic. That leaves us with 1 point for it, still you placed it 6th in your rank? About your comment to my entry, I just can add, that I didn't know about the compo until ~4 weeks before the deadline. Apart from that I'm studying and have a girlfriend I can only see at weekends for the rest of the year, so my coding time I could put into that compo was really limited. I actually coded until the last minute to fix some things and therefore forgot to put in a eboot-title and icon. Stupid mistake, but it just shows the sweat&blood I put into the actual coding. Something that cannot be said about every entry. That shouldn't be an excuse, but considering that, I think it's really great what I could pull off inside that timeframe and to think I would have even got last place nearly if the public votes didn't save me, it's a shame. At the end I'd still like to give you kudos for your effort put into compo and it's not as if all your judges were off, there also were a lot correct decisions, which I fully respect. And I also respect that your decisions as jury are final and should not be questioned, but I believe the talk is neccessary to maybe let the judges think about how they really should judge and therefore enhance the future compos by being more objective (or even extending the compo with more topics?). As said, I'm still looking forward to the next compo. Regards, Raphael

this is the first time iR Shell ever joined a compo

#30, cory, if you ranked iR Shell based on your false information of it being entered in a previous compo, you're just plain wrong. This is the first time iR Shell has ever entered a compo, NeoFlash or not. I don't know why you said " iRshell has been entered in previous compos. There is not much different since before." Now, pls tell me which other compo iR Shell had joined before this one. If you judges think there is a need to take off points because the homebrew has been released to the public before, I won't have any problem with it. Just stay this clearing in your compo rules. But ranking it based on false information isn't professional at all.

@37/s_l_fingers

Hey ******, the iR Shell does NOT suck, you're just way too stupid to see everything it does. You can't play music from the XMB behind your UMD games or homebrew, which you CAN do with iR Shell. Also, iR Shell can also do all of this: -Do basic shell functions (launch homebrew, launch UMD, usb mode, exit back to shell from homebrew/umd, file browser, date/time/battery info display) -Be an IR remote for over 2000 devices (and I think it's over 6000 devices if you download more than just the remote on the website) -Take screenshots of homebrew, UMD, XMB, pretty much everything -View images (.bmp, .jpg, .png) -MP3 player that can run in the background of your UMDs and homebrew that are launched from iR Shell, has basic functions like pause/play, stop, next, previous, volume +/-, can make playlists -Change CPU speed -Switching between launched homebrew or UMD and iR Shell (to change your MP3 playlist or something like that) -Transfer files to another PSP via Ad Hoc connection -Skinnable -Can run file manipulation functions (copy, paste, delete, rename) -Configurator which lets you customize things like default CPU speed, date/time display, skin and put a password on file manipulating or entering the configurator -Can lock the PSP so that a password is needed to continue -PSP headphone remote control support for MP3 player -Support for user plugins (EBOOTS to run a specific filetype). -Support for UMD browsing -Support for USB host file system browsing (remotely browse and run files on your PC via USB) -Support for Infrastructure WiFi host (net host) file system browsing (remotely browse and run files on your PC via Infrastructure WiFi) -Can redirect usbhost or nethost to the memory stick (allows proper homebrew streaming from the PC as well as MP4 streaming) -Can launch the XMB from iR Shell and exit back to it (can do most XMB functions from here except play UMDs and launch homebrew, this is how you stream MP4 movies from your PC when connected and redirected) -Alarm clock function -Low battery warning -Existing plugins (it can runs these files): PMP, AT3, PMF, ZIP, RAR, TXT, and some more on the official forums ( www.irshell.com/forum ) -Use an Ad Hoc internet connection for homebrew or for nethost And like AhMan said, iR Shell wasn't entered in any previous competitions, so if that's why he was marked down, then that's total BS.

Hey Neo ppl...

Why don't you just base the results off the actual voting? You guys are ***** at judging and it's better just to let what the public like win... I mean come on... R-Gear for first PSP game? ThrottleX was by far the best, and Trig Wars wasn't too bad either. This contest was a failure.

@39

pspfan, there is no need to get upset by some morons with zero intelligence, like s_l_fingers. I read his post above mine, but I don't wanna waste my time to respond. He put down a homebrew without even know what it does.

Two 3rds...

There are two games in third place! XD Trigonometry Wars and ThrottleX are tied?!

@41, 42

AhMan, you're right, I shouldn't have even wasted my time responding to that guy. GR, yes that's a tie.

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AhMan: it was my mistake... I had thought you entered during the last Neo compo, but I didnt check my facts before saying anything. Perhaps one of your releases coincided with the last compo and that is what fouled me up. Sorry :( (it didnt really effect my scoring of your app though, if that is what you are thinking - see my reply in the Neo forum if you wish any further info about it) I basically was going for more of a comparison for what I had in front of me, looking at games like I would games, and apps like I would apps. I think the other judges simply picked which ones they liked without really evaluating at all (including those voting in the public poll). Raphael: Without manditory/required release of all source code, it is very unlikely any compo will be judged well with regards to effort and quality of the actual coding, but more towards useability and (in a game section) playability. 25: manaox2: If we had used ONLY the poll, it would have been far too easy for the cheaters to win, and really, how many people who actually voted in the poll took the time to download EVERY entry and install it and use it?