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Sony thinking of removing features from PSP firmware?

Posted Nov 9, 2006 at 10:40AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: Firmware, News Tags: psp firmware, Sony

Features

Well, with all the new features that Sony had been adding with their firmware updates (not all of them very useful though), it was only a matter of time before the miniscule 32MB of onboard flash started to be a limitation. And yes, there is a genuine concern of space on the NAND flash. For example, firmware 2.82 uses around 25-28 MB of the flash, leaving hardly any space. And custom firmwares like SE-B use up almost the whole of the flash.

With all of the new bells and whistles promised with firmware 3.0, it seems that there might be a shortage of space on the flash to actually deploy all the features. I wouldn't take any guesses, but I'm sure the so-hyped PS1 emulator uses a lot of space. Similarly, the PS3-PSP interconnectivity won't be easy either.

And well, it seems that while 3.0 might bring in a lot of good stuff, a few people might see some of the older features missing. And no, this isn't any rumor either; Sony's latest survey going out with the Rachet and Clank betas suggests that they want to know the features which are used the least. In the accompanying picture, thanks to PSP Fanboy, we have a small list:

Watching video content
Listen to music
View photos
RSS feeds subscription
Internet browsing
Use as a storage device

Now here's the problem - I'm not ready to give up any of those features, period! Didn't Sony advertise the PSP as an all-out media device? It ain't no multimedia device if it can't do all of those things. My opinion is that they could take out the Location-Free capability, something which is used by hardly anyone. If they forced me to choose one from the list, it would probably be the ability to subscribe to RSS feeds. But I'd probably be very bitter about it.

An alternate route would be to allow people to install some part of the firmware files onto the Memory Stick. That way, we would have a choice of the features that we want. Or they could even package things like the Web browser or the Location Free player as separate eboots so that they can be put in the GAME folder on the memory stick and loaded from there. The way I see it, this would probably be the best use of the GAME folder by Sony. What do you guys think? Ready to give up any features?

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I don't want them to remove any of the features listed! I use the web browser all the time when I go to places away from home since I don't own a laptop I use my PSP for the web whenever I'm in a hotspot. If there going to remove something they can remove the useless feature for me the location freething, but from that list I'd say RSS feeds to remove but I dont want them to remove anything since I use most of them and if they do they dang well better do something where you can use them from you're memorystick.

# somit — Guest 2006-11-09 12:02

I agree, u should be able to use part of ur memory stick, plus wher can u fill out this survey thingie.

# remove Rss feeds — Guest 2006-11-09 12:03

the RSS feeds... i don't use it...

# lol — Guest 2006-11-09 12:04

i saw this on pspfanboy yesterday, anyways, what the hell, theres not enough features as is and their removing *****. *****, dont remove features ADD THEM, but honestly storage? who the hell uses psps for storage? that would be one *****en expensive flash drive, and id use rss if i knew how. But anyways, Sony, quit taking ***** out, the psps come with 30mb of memory, each update sofar has been under 20mb, thats about 10mb of potential features, USE THEM!!!!

# . — FLai 2006-11-09 12:05

This is because of the fact that they've filled up so much of the flash with useless features that they don't have room for much more. Ridiculous. And people will need to eventually upgrade to this. How are they still getting away with this crap?

# RSS... — Guest 2006-11-09 12:07

deff. rss feeds THEY = USELESS to me

# . — Guest 2006-11-09 12:08

definately rss feeds, because nobody cares about them. the other features are so necisary. Also, this "package things like the Web browser or the Location Free player as separate eboots so that they can be put in the GAME folder on the memory stick and loaded from there. " is a great idea Sony.

# All of them — Guest 2006-11-09 12:11

Who cares. i only use my psp for gaming. period. i have an ipod for music. fudge the net. it's horrible going online with the psp. that's what a pc is for.

movies is probably the only good thing to keep and i've used it about 3 times in a year.

Free up some space for the ps1 emulator!!!

or just allow us to keep these features on our memory sticks.

# lol(didnt read qj's post the first time) — Guest 2006-11-09 12:15

iv got a cool idea, you probly all have seen the make-your-own SmashGPSP thing, well(are you listening sony) a make-your-own-firmware option, each person chooses which crap they want in their firmware, so if you dont have a location free piece of crap, dont choose the feature, but then again there would be problem cuz you cant have everything in there cuz theres little space but thats life, honestly they realy should make that locatoin free crap optional, cuz personaly, im never gonna get or want that crap or use the rss crap, even if i knew how to use it, and i guess there could be a use for the storage thing after all, i mean your paying for the memory on your stick, why not use it. And eventhough the browser is crap its still useable, and the photo, video and music are self explanatory, their staying.

# ... — Guest 2006-11-09 12:18

I had thought about this quite a while back about the limited Nand flash (32mb wot did they expect)

I think the Emulator should be in he form of an eboot if Sony have any sense.

# Firmware on memory stick — Guest 2006-11-09 12:18

"An alternate route would be to allow people to install some part of the firmware files onto the Memory Stick"

This would be great, but we all know that it would be too easy to be able to run custom firmwares like that and Sony aren't going to give up the fight just yet.

# rss! — Guest 2006-11-09 12:19

Never use that *****

# Here's an idea — Guest 2006-11-09 12:19

Why doesn't Sony just admit that they messed up an offer a hardware upgrade? For everyone that hasn't voided the warranty on thier PSP gets it for free, those who have pay a little bit for it, and all new PSPs have it from the get go. I'm thinking 64MB should be plenty for new features without losing the ones we have.

# Umm... Duh — Guest 2006-11-09 12:22

Ever think that the file you're downloading has been compressed, numbnuts? That the PSP expands and installes the update all at once?

# no...don't — Guest 2006-11-09 12:22

i like that idea of the web browser and other stuff as am Eboot file, then we can just run it like a game...

i think they should do that

# eh. — Guest 2006-11-09 12:24

I doubt they can remove location free as they're probably be going to use those library's for PSP-PS3 connectivity.. but I don't see how they'd get rid of using it as a flash drive, how tf would you put files on it without using a seperate memory stick reader/writer? Kinda defeats the object of it being a portable media device.

So it's rss feeds then, obviously. But I'm kinda concerned about that too.. that feature uses hardly any flash space compared to the browser / music and video decoding. (I mean, it really should only be a few hundred lines of code).

I mean, is it so hard to link to a JPG on the MS instead of copying it to flash when using it as a background? Saves a whole lot of space and requires a minimal amount of code.. just requires maybe a slightly longer boot.

What about getting rid of the stupid 2 second PSP video whenever you load a game, and do something in real time like just fading the screen to white or a bitmap?

I don't know... don't these ideas occur to the firmware engineers? I mean, if they change the look / style, you're likely to get far more upgrades than if it's just "oh we patched this security hole which isn't a treat to anyone who doesn't know about homebrew".

# I have the modchip so i dont give a ***** — Guest 2006-11-09 12:25

i can always have the latest fw on the original flash and 2.71 SE on the chip!

# Keep RSS — Guest 2006-11-09 12:25

I use the RSS. It saves a hell of a lot of space on my memory stick so I can stream music over the internet. Its convinient so I can download the songs/movies I want on the go without a computer. Get rid of Location free, network update. Or just make an official sony Devhook so we can emulate over 32MB on a memory stick.

# i use modchip too — Guest 2006-11-09 12:30

so they can remove ALL of them (they all are included on 2.71 SE)

# i use modchip too — Guest 2006-11-09 12:36

so they can remove ALL of them (they all are included on 2.71 SE)

# How about NOTHING! — Illegal Machine 2006-11-09 12:38

$ony can Eat my nuts

# Everyone will always make a big deal about everything — Guest 2006-11-09 12:45

I like the idea stated in the atrical that suggests Sony to use the GAME folder for additional features.

# RSS and Location Free — Mentality 2006-11-09 12:48

RSS Feed and location free player - I could less about either tbh

Kinda reckless on their behalf not to think this far ahead - no doubt there is already enough space for the 3.0 update already - they just thinking about security updates for when it's cracked if you ask me - I don't think they thought to much about the security of the PSP when they originally made it.

Kinda silly when you think about it.

# Most of these things CAN'T be removed — Guest 2006-11-09 12:51

Watching video content- Needed by some UMDs... If they get rid of video content, some UMDs stop working

Listen to music- Same as above

View photos- Same as above

RSS feeds subscription- It's possible, but doubtful... They still have more plans for RSS (look at that firmware timetable from a while back)

Internet browsing- Games such as Killzone, etc require this for the updates... I doubt Sony would kill off this

Use as a storage device- Only way this is possible is if they disable Memory Stick support... but then you couldn't save anything to it.... 100% sure this won't be removed

Nothing will be removed... Sony most likely wants to know what sucks, so they can work on it...

# One more thing..... — Mentality 2006-11-09 12:51

The rate their updates have been coming out, they must have thought they had all the space in the world lmao - this day and age they shudda been thinking at least 512 NAND, 1GB Max

# Easy solution — Guest 2006-11-09 12:51

lol sony could take out their photo viewer, music player and video player and just create a signed psp app that does all that, maybe even have the xmb access the file when you select music or video etc. besides its not like you can listen to music or watch vids without a mem card. We also know its possible because of all the homebrew apps that do it already and it would be like 5 megs tops

# RSS — Guest 2006-11-09 12:54

I agree with most of you. RSS and the Location Free Player. I have plenty of friends with their own PSP's and none of them use either one of those.

# uhhhhhhhhhh — Guest 2006-11-09 12:55

did you even read the article it says why right there

# Most of these things CAN'T be removed — Guest 2006-11-09 13:00

# Re: PotFarmer — Viper_Bravo 2006-11-09 13:01

Great Idea man, that would be the best thing for the system, open up a lot of space on the Flash!

# Take out the browser — Guest 2006-11-09 13:19

Just take out the browser and put it in an eboot format so it can be run from the mem stick, that way they save space and solve the browser's mem problem. we all now that the browser was the biggest thing for 2.XX so if you solve that probleme you should be set.

note: I don't have a reply for the above comment I just wanted to be at the top of the page ;)hehe

# Uh — Guest 2006-11-09 13:22

Why don't they just allow a custom firmware install? Before you download it on the PSP it asks you to check the features you want (Say, no photo, no music, but PS1, video, location free, RSS, whatever). Take a goddamn hint from the scene, people like customization.

# Keep RSS! — Guest 2006-11-09 13:23

I listen to RSS feeds. Heck, I have my own!

the location free player is what's garbage.

That and the photo viewer.

I only every go there to change my bg, which I can just use X-Flash for.

# I also use a Modchip — Guest 2006-11-09 13:25

I am only interested in using my Psp for gaming, perhaps if Sony concentrated more on this in the first place, we would have more decent games. I have never used any of the extra features of the firmware and to me it is simply a waste of flash.

# Good Idea! — Guest 2006-11-09 13:45

It would be the best thing for Sony to make it so features can go on a memorystick, but i would not want to free up memory stick space if i only have a 32mb stick. So maybe they can do the memory stick option but at the same time maybe Sony should start also including a free 32mb stick just to use for features.

But if i had to choose 1 from the list it would be RSS feeds but i still dont want to give none up.

# dasd — Guest 2006-11-09 13:54

Wtf does that have to do with it.

And sony would never encourage the modchip.

# Security Updates — Guest 2006-11-09 13:54

Get rid of those...;) Though they probably don't take up much space anyway.

# Keep the RSS!!! — RommelTJ 2006-11-09 13:55

Just because the rest of you don't use it, doesn't mean that it's useless. I too use it to stream music.

More importantly, I can listen to clips from my favorite FM radio stations, and I can also keep up to date with the latest news.

# nooo — amorbis 2006-11-09 14:00

rss is great, if u people knew how to use it ud be pissed off too. location base players is sky high so id say that.

# what the — Guest 2006-11-09 14:06

***** man they should remove the location free...player. LMFAO

# dsadsadsakldj — Guest 2006-11-09 14:06

Use the game folder to load PS1 and PS3 conectivity

period

# HOMEBREW — Guest 2006-11-09 14:10

Homebrew users have voided the warranty so that wolnt work. How about we just say F*** you to sony and tell them they as dumb as

# y0 $ony — Guest 2006-11-09 14:11

make a proper internet browser which uses ms0: as cache and release it as eboot.

# well i sent a letter to sony expressing a couple of my ideas — Guest 2006-11-09 14:16

well i sent a letter to sony expressing a couple of my ideas

well i dont use the rss feed but im sure some do. the internet exlorer i only use to check my yahoo mail and play some flash. the video i absolutely need unless they decide to downsize it to make it just play umds and release blank umd,s to the public. aint gonna happen cause of piiirracy, well that aint stopping people from doing so now with the mem sticks .And ud bee getting a ton of sales as the blanks would almost completely wipe out mem stick sales. the photo viewer aint nothing to spacial but could be agruable as one of the most used features in the psp. and without music great disinterest in the psp will quickly arise unless like previously stated u allow blank umd,s but put a restrictor like the custom tracks for gta lcs that only copiyrighted material could be allowed, but ud halfa sell em cheap to almost nuthing cause fumbling with umd's will be a great hassle. like the old saying goes u half to give to recieve. if they established a second stick reader on the psp and republished 32mb mem sticks with customizable firmware on each. and made the second drive a firmware reader then it would greatly eliminate this problem for now and always. sigh well i told sony i cant wait to see the potential of there hardware, but i didnt mean like this.

a good working psx emulator could take about 200mbts of space. hint no way in hell its gonna fit on the psp. maybe if they took all the patches and restrictions off it might help clear up the ram. i sent sony a couple of good bad and straight out wacky idaes i thought of but evin if they take my letter seriously it would still take alot of time and patients witch no one has these days

# hmm it was inevitable — Guest 2006-11-09 14:18

# Yeah i use it too — Guest 2006-11-09 14:18

I used the RSS feeds all the time, every night. I listen to podcasts when i'm studying or cramming for a test.

It saves alot of space on my memory stick, I wish i could stream video files from the rss.

# hmm it was inevitable — Guest 2006-11-09 14:19

# THEY NEVER SAID THEY WERE REMOVING *****!!! — RaiderX 2006-11-09 14:21

WTF! You just shove words in their mouth! Its just a poll retards! They wanna see what people dislike so they can waste less time on similar features and more time on better stuff. end of story.

# wow sorry qj.net — Guest 2006-11-09 14:22

my computers acting wierd so i guess it resent the letter a couple times my bad

# - — Guest 2006-11-09 14:23

"An alternate route would be to allow people to install some part of the firmware files onto the Memory Stick. That way, we would have a choice of the features that we want. Or they could even package things like the Web browser or the Location Free player as separate eboots so that they can be put in the GAME folder on the memory stick and loaded from there. The way I see it, this would probably be the best use of the GAME folder by Sony. What do you guys think? Ready to give up any features?"

simply an amazing idea.

# RSS!!! — Guest 2006-11-09 14:28

id say dump the rss i never use that feature

# WHAT??! — Guest 2006-11-09 14:28

those are hte things i use the most, if they take those out all there will be left is homebrew and psp games those are why i like the psp

# touch them and i'll go WRYYYYYYYYY! — Guest 2006-11-09 14:32

If they take any feature away, i'm not going to upgrade anymore.

***** up the location free crap, instead. I mainly watch video on the psp, surf the web, stream music with the rss and a local server (it's called Podcast, used that way, Sony idiots!), watch images, listen to music on the stick.

Oh, right, it has those pretty games, too.

Take out wma support, useless to say the least.

Anyway, as already pointed out, taking away is stupid. Keep in mind that Bleem! could be used on a floppy disc. An optimized thing might use even less space. The idea to put stuff on the stck is simply wonderful, a nice way to avoid the issue of the lack of space, and sell more sitcks.

# sony always srew's up some were down the line — Guest 2006-11-09 14:41

sony always srew's up some were down the line i mean seriously guy's look they have like 3 ps1's and 2 ps2's and that's why im holding out on buying a ps3 cuz sony all way's has to do somthing stupid they should take out the rss and the location free player cuz who the hell use's the loction free player i dont and the rss feed's are ok but they could put it in the memory stick and that should leave us with like 15 mb of space and the dum asss who said that the flash drive feature suck's go ***** ur self u assss wipe i use my psp for the flash drive i see this 2 way's ether sony does what i said or let people pick there feature's like custimize ur own update so custimize ur psp that would be sweet then people could take out att the crap they dont want that would be easy

# Dumbass — Guest 2006-11-09 14:45

Sony doesn't have to know you're a brew user. What kind of moron sends thier MSD with the PSP when they send it for repair anway?

# lol — Guest 2006-11-09 14:51

well they can probably get rid of the video player.. cuz obviously its completely crap and you can't even play different formats of media.. YOu FAILD SONY!!

and the RSS Feed... that feature I don't ever use...

With the Camera, PS1 EMU, and god knows how many more features they're gonna try to cram in there, I bet they're gonna have to remove a lot more features... or they can actually allow pple to have fun and get rid of the "Security" crap since quite a few firmwares been unlockd...

My guess.. rest of features they'll just stuff in the Next-gen PSP.. and leave us hangin with bogus stuff...

# lol — Guest 2006-11-09 14:52

# lol — Guest 2006-11-09 14:55

# Custom Features Please!!! — CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS 2006-11-09 15:00

I would love the idea of custom features for the future firmware upgrades where you can download the firmware after choosing the options you want and having only those. I would not want to get rid of the location free player option do to the fact that Sony said that the PS3 may act as one. RSS I hardly use. Also I don't know why Sony can't just make a PS1 emulator you can download instead of having it be a part of the firmware that way you can have it stored on the memory stick and not take up all the flash.

# F U C K — Guest 2006-11-09 15:00

I HAV THA MODCHIP SO I DONT GIVE A F U C K

# sucks — Guest 2006-11-09 15:08

i like and use them all except maybe photo but with the camera ill need that

# THEY NEVER SAID THEY WERE REMOVING *****!!! — RaiderX 2006-11-09 15:13

WTF! You just shove words in their mouth! Its just a poll retards! They wanna see what people dislike so they can waste less time on similar features and more time on better stuff. end of story.

# typical music fans.. — Guest 2006-11-09 15:19

i'll bet most of them dont even know that the songs they get are illegally obtained. gtfo the psp scene, and go fork up cash for the ipod youve always dreamed of.

in other words: ***** RSS!

location free player? i prefer the pink hat.

Sony: listen to us.

# what is it — Guest 2006-11-09 15:36

# Hmmm — Guest 2006-11-09 15:39

I still think they should have put a hard drive in it instead of a stupid UMD slot :P. But, yah, I'd have to say the RSS and location free player B.S. would be the first I'd chuck out . And the eboot idea would be a smart move for SONY. It would certainly up the sales on their pro duos :P.

Whatever they do, I just hope they stop adding firmware updates to their games, because I'd like to support the gaming AND homebrew scenes at the same time

# Suggestion — Guest 2006-11-09 15:49

Remove all of the security features, and get rid of the Locationfree Player function - I don't know anyone that uses that.

# YES YES YES — Guest 2006-11-09 15:52

The last paragraph is exactly what Sony needs to do if they are running out of flash memory. Certain things cannot be put into an eboot, such as the photo viewer, music player, or video player, though. They can still be on the memstick if needed, but they should function as they do now. But it;s a great idea if space is that much of an issue, and I wouldnt be surprised as it is, with emulator eboots being fairly large, and I can only imagine what kind of space the ps3 connectivity will take up

# re — Guest 2006-11-09 15:58

October NPD Hardware

DS 360k

PS2 235k

360 218k

GBA 169k

PSP 130k

Not a single PSP game sold over 50k. Jesus.

But here's some PSP stuff in the > 25k (the best the software for PSP did this month).

> 25k

360 CALL OF DUTY 2

NDS OVER THE HEDGE

NDS SHREK SUPERSLAM

360 DEAD RISING

PS2 OKAMI

360 JUST CAUSE

GCN LEGO STAR WARS

PS2 LEGO STAR WARS

360 NBA LIVE 07

360 THE GODFATHER: THE GAME

GCN MADDEN NFL 07

PS2 BLACK

PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 07

PS2 NEED SPEED: MOST WANTED

PS2 NHL 07

PSP MADDEN NFL 07

XBX FIFA SOCCER 07

XBX NBA LIVE 07

XBX TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 07

360 LEGO STAR WARS II: THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY

NDS LEGO STAR WARS II: THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY

PS2 STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT II

XBX LEGO STAR WARS II: THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY

XBX HALO 2

PS2 TALES OF THE ABYSS

GBA POKEMON EMERALD

GBA POKEMON LEAFGRN W/ADP

GBA SUPER MARIO ADVANCE

GBA SUPER MARIO WORLD: SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 2

NDS ANIMAL CROSSING: WILD WORLD

NDS BIG BRAIN ACADEMY

NDS BRAIN AGE: TRAIN YOUR BRAIN IN MINUTES A

NDS CLUBHOUSE GAMES

NDS MARIO KART

NDS NINTENDOGS: DACHSHUND & FRIENDS

NDS STAR FOX COMMAND

360 PHANTASY STAR UNIVERSE

PS2 GOD OF WAR

PS2 SHADOW OF COLOSSUS

PS2 VALKYRIE PROFILE 2: SILMERIA

PS2 FAMILY GUY

PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO: LIBERTY CITY STORIES

PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO: SAN ANDREAS

GCN AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER

PS2 AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER

XBX DESTROY ALL HUMANS! 2

PS2 OPEN SEASON

PSP SCARFACE: MONEY. POWER. RESPECT.

Yes, two.

We may have a problem people.

# tiff — Guest 2006-11-09 15:58

I guarentee if they will remove something it is going to be tiff veiwing support

# Piracy does hurt! — Guest 2006-11-09 16:03

I just saw some statistics that I am afraid of.

I was curious to see how many copies of VCS were being downloaded, so I did a search of my favorite torrent site, and checked the seeding/leeching stats.

Vice City Stories has over 30,000 people downloading it. No, I did not mistype that:

thirty-thousand!!!

And thats just AT THIS MOMENT! Who knows how many people have downloaded it since release!

thats the sales that rockstar is losing out on. Can you honestly say piracy does not hurt the games industry, specifically PSP?! I'm trying to figure out why any dev in his right mind would waste his time making a game for PSP, when NO ONE will buy it.

# Piracy does hurt! — Guest 2006-11-09 16:07

# New firmwares — Guest 2006-11-09 16:08

The browser in an eboot would be the best idea

# Different Firmwares — Guest 2006-11-09 16:12

They should have a firmware where you choose what features you want to use when you install it so if you dont use somthing then you can just choose not to install it

# Here's what Sony SHOULD DO... — The Chaos Chief 2006-11-09 16:15

First of all, no features should be removed in an upgrade. So, I'll add on to the great idea by the editor...

(I'm on the 2.60 GTA Eloader so I'm a little lost on the recent features, but...)

If I worked for Sony... Here's my plan for an update...

The system checks for about 20MB free space on Memory Stick before the update is launched from the XMB.

EXAMPLE: Firmware 3.00 (START)

A New Menu [FEATURE] Added.

[VIDEO] Upgrade: Up to 3mbps video playback at 480x272 resolution.

Whatever other features Sony installes such as the PS1 Emulator...

SOME BACKGROUND PROCESSES: [NETWORK] will be changed to [FEATURE]. The Internet Browser EBOOT will be stored in a folder named /FEATURE in the root of /PSP.

The Location Free Player and RSS Player EBOOTS will be stored under ]FEATURE]. Multiple subfolders will be recognized under [VIDEO]. Sony could provide Features available for download on their site, such as a Calculator; small EBOOTs that will be stored in the FEATURE folder.

Let the 32MB be for the main process, while a FEATURE folder be for 'programs'. Music and Video should be built in always though. Sony needs to get the power out of their system. Come on, with 4GB Memory Sticks out now, 3mbps videos won't take up much space. I know the PSP can handle a high video stream (The PMP codec), so there's no excuse for Sony being so cheap.

DON'T TAKE AWAY FEATURES SONY, JUST STORE THEM ON THE MEMORY STICK IN AN ORGANIZED MANNER.

# Bullpoo — Sr_Moska 2006-11-09 16:18

RSS feeds and Location free player are useless for me

the PS1 emulator should be external, somthing to run from the game folder!

# take RSS and LocationFree out — Guest 2006-11-09 16:19

if you cant use it as storage, you cant copy homebrew, videos, music, updates, demos, or anything. a PSP is more or less useless without transfer from a PC

# no — Guest 2006-11-09 16:29

what if you have more than one Memory Stick? then what? what if you forget to copy the files onto both MS's? plus, $ony wouldnt let you put firmware (basically a dump) on a MS because you can easily access this with a PC. and that brings back not being able to use USB mode if they remove it

# I think we might jumping the gun here. — Guest 2006-11-09 16:31

I reason I saw this is because of the choice of "Use as a storage device". They can not take this feature away simply because it would take all of the other features away also. What I am trying to say is that you cannot view videos, pics, and music without storing filed on the MS. Therefore this feature would be automatically included. Then why did Sony bother listing it as a option? I think that the PS1 emulator could be the feature made into an eboot. That sounds like it would be larger than anything else.

# yeah exactly — Guest 2006-11-09 16:32

thats what i was thinking, choose what features you want and don't want.

# shut — Guest 2006-11-09 16:36

shut the ***** up *****

# lol — Guest 2006-11-09 16:37

how in the hell would they ever use 1 GB of space for a firmware, versions of windows use less space than that, and they're bloated to hell

# what?!? — Guest 2006-11-09 16:40

Are you kidding, 200 mb?

ePSXe for the computer is only 14 mb

# screw sony — Guest 2006-11-09 16:43

those *****ers can go to hell and remove thier security system....even if it doesnt take up alot of space on the flash....

its probably gonna be the rss feeds anyway...it juz the most unuseful thing they posted....

# ... — Guest 2006-11-09 16:51

Why didn't they ask to

Remove all security

Remove all security

Remove all security

Remove all security

Remove all security

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# ???? — Guest 2006-11-09 16:55

If sony didn't want us to run Eboots (exept the updates) then why did they put in a GAME folder?....unless they do start making the web broswer and things like that a Eboot file, why did they put it in there?

# Just — Guest 2006-11-09 17:00

get rid of the ability to listen to music. the whole point of the psp is for games not to listen to music. u want to listen to music? get an ipod. the ipod holds more than the psp. now if you get or have a 60 gig video ipod then u wouldn't need the video or music on the psp.

the web browser is fine. all we need is to have mozilla on the psp with javascript on it and have the ability to watch videos off of websites right on the web browser instead of having to save them and find out they aren't compatible in the psp video folder.

the photo thing is pretty gay but if u want to save the photo as a background then we need this ability.

the RSS ability is the worse. who the hell would use this on the psp? gay and pointless.

don't got much to say about the mass storage device because the memory cards are for this function. i use homebrew and play my backed up games on my 2 gig memory card and with my 1 gig memory card i put all my programs that i download on my computer on my psp for backups. and when i take my psp to my friend's house i can put the program i have on my 1 gig memory card on my friend's computer and he doesn't have to download it.that's what i do with my limewire pro because the normal limewire u download has a virus in it.

# HAHAHAHAHAHA — Guest 2006-11-09 17:20

We made sony waste all that space beacuse of homebrew and all those stupid security updates thats going to hurt them very very bad i hope HAHAHAHA once again i hope sony would just realize they will never win. As long as there is 1 person working on some type of homebrew sony is going to lose

# ... — Guest 2006-11-09 17:39

you know what the most useless part of the firmware is? the security coding that prevents the use of homebrew

yeah they should take that out.

# xJOSx (Unregistered) is correct — Guest 2006-11-09 18:13

Enough said.

# maybee..... — Guest 2006-11-09 18:21

this can just be a survey to see what they should concentrate most on updating...they wont remove a feature because that may make people not update their firmware, and updating firmware is what sony wants. and they wouldn get rid of the location free because for people that do use location free and already paid for the location free device would have just wasted their money, becayse next time they want to buy a newer psp game, they cant because they have the location free device. and for rss feeds, they would be the most uneccessary because you can use the webbrowser to go to your rss feeds. i use google/ig for my rss feeds, and it works from my psp.

# Missed the point — Guest 2006-11-09 18:42

I think everyone here missed the point. I don't think they're saying, "Hey people, we failed to plan ahead and now we've gotta remove stuff" I think it's more along the lines of, What aren't people using? and then they figure out WHY people aren't using it, so they can improve upon the feature. Just my Opinion, I couldn't see a company working to REMOVE core code from a firmware.

# RSS is awesome — Guest 2006-11-09 19:19

RSS is awesome, long with the rest of the features listed. if anything, id have to agree the removal of the LocationFree Player instead.

# Exactly why $ony should embrace homebrew — aliasneo 2006-11-09 19:30

If Sony accepted homebrew, this wouldn't be a problem at all. Everything in that list can be achieved through homebrew and in way better quality too with the exception of the web browser. I certainly don't want to see anything go but if I had to choose one thing, it would be RSS and location free player. I'm certainly not willing to give up it's MP3, Photo, and Video capabilities even though they can be achieved through homebrew because you have to think about the people who don't use homebrew.

An alternative could be that Sony releases a UMD full of applications, but that's a problem by itself since you have to carry an extra UMD. The best option for Sony is to release their own application that can be loaded from the memorystick but I'm guessing they're too afraid people will hack those applications and find a way to load homebrew onto 3.0.

I think it's time Sony realizes the fight against homebrew/piracy is futile and should simply accept it instead of playing this silly cat and mouse game. I would like to see Sony be the first major company to take a risk and accept homebrew.

# ***** YA SONY!!! — Guest 2006-11-09 19:38

***** YA SONY!!!

# ... — Guest 2006-11-09 19:50

They could free-up some space if they stopped with all the lame security upgrades. But, if I lost RSS in favor of a PS1 emu that would be fine. Or do that whole eboot web-browser idea.

# ... — jrfhoutx 2006-11-09 20:07

I think choosing what you want to install is the best idea, so you can leave out the things you don't want. I agree with getting rid of the Location Free (they're most likely not using that for the PS3 connectivity they're most likely going to be using the DLNA backbone which uses DRM, something Sony seems to be really big on right now; which Location Free is not included in, DLNA would list it as a Sony product if it was) and the network update.

As for removing video, photo, and music, what they should do is make an all in one media player that's a signed EBOOT, along with making the PS1 emulator a signed EBOOT.

And as for removal of 'mass storage' that doesn't mean you wouldn't be able to still put stuff on your memory stick, they could restrict access by making their 'Media Manager' app the only non-PS3 program that can access the PSP and make that the only non-PS3 app that the PSP recognizes for file transfer, therefore limiting your options to 'Sony approved' content and media formats.

Think about it, Sony may not always have ideas that make sense to us but, they're not stupid and they are pushing the forefront of technology... they are thinking of the future and using the present to test the waters... Do you really think that the PSP as we know it is the be all end all for Sony's handheld division? Hell no, it's a first release platform, like the PS1 was, or the original Gameboy (for a handheld comparison). Do you really think that after all the money they spent in R&D that the only product they'll put the cell processor in is the PS3? (think PSP2 and pray) The PSP is a market test platform, why do you think they keep putting out all these 'If you could change the PSP' surveys? It's called product market research.

Look for the bigger picture and just think about it...

# dont think so — Guest 2006-11-09 20:12

browsing the web on the psp is great. i hate waiting for my pc to boot just to check my gmail. and on the bus, ive actually used my PSP to help me with research on wikipedia, just before a class presentation. loaded up the page before i left, and read it all on the bus. got an A ;) dont use my psp for music either. but everyone has a decent porn on their psp. i really wish we didnt have to convert everything though. isnt the media processor powerful enough to convert most conventional bitrates... grrr. stupid licensing. no im not a noob, im just whining

# idiot — Guest 2006-11-09 20:15

"the thinker"..... they listed "as a storage device" simply to see if you care about how much memory is in your mem stick. they wont "disable" that. dont whine about something so obvious

# Simple — Dave 2006-11-09 20:17

Make them use some of the memory stick space.

# Right!? — jrfhoutx 2006-11-09 20:20

It's about time some one said it. You idiot's would still be playing on a DS if Sony hadn't made this 'failed' platform, if it sucks so bad sell it go buy a DS and quit complaining! If Sony screws everything up so bad then why'd all you idiots buy a PSP in the first place?

# clarification — jrfhoutx 2006-11-09 20:25

I'm with you RaiderX, I'm glad someone finally pointed out that they never actually said they were removing anything.

# yep — jrfhoutx 2006-11-09 20:31

greg's right tiff is the thorn in Sony's side right now. Piracy is why Sony heavily backs DRM and is looking into digital distribution (like the download kiosks in japan), they have more control and cut out the middle man, namely distributors and retail stores (means higher profits for Sony too)...

# re — Guest 2006-11-09 20:35

Try the fact that GBA has been out for six and a half years. PSP has been out for a year and a half. PSP has more mainstream games. GBA is a dead system in terms of software. And all the games can be played on DS anyway!

A year and a HALF after PSP being released, you think it's okay that GBA is still selling better?

# R+C — Guest 2006-11-09 20:35

How do you sign up for R+C beta testing?

# Use as a storage device... — Guest 2006-11-09 21:12

No, most people here are getting it wrong, if you plug your PSP into the computer it is Plug 'n' Play, meaning that the folder comes up and you can put ANYTHING onto it in ANY directory, if they took that out it would mean the computer would not recognize it as Plug 'n' Play and you would need a program on your computer which would automatically put the photos, mp3's and whatever else into the directory's for you.

# hi — Guest 2006-11-09 21:20

RSS deffentally cause it sucks

# They better not remove RSS — Guest 2006-11-09 21:34

When I'm not playing games on my PSP, I'm using it almost exclusively to listen to audio podcasts and watch video podcasts. The PSP is the only portable device I've used with seamlessly integrated podcasting ability. I can download new episodes any time I'm near a hotspot.

They better not mess with my system. I'm ready for a class-action if they do.

# mass storage — Guest 2006-11-09 22:51

if they got rid of the mass storage they would probably allow for file transfer via wifi or thinking ahead they should hand out free memory stick duo readers.

i wont be updating anyway unless they start to make a half decent 3.0

# mass storage — Guest 2006-11-09 22:54

if they got rid of the mass storage they would probably allow for file transfer via wifi , if not then sony shoul hand out free ms duo readers/writers to all psp owners, personally im not updating till they make a decent 3.0 and the eboots on flash for a media centre type app and internet is a great idea.

# Chill! — Guest 2006-11-09 23:16

I very much doubt they are planning to remove any of these features since they are all key features. More likely they just want to get an idea of what people are using their PSPs for, either so that they can improve the bits people aren't using, or push the bits that people are using.

And the 32Mb limit is in no way a concern. If they run out of space they just need to make their code more efficient. You'd be amazed at how much you can cram into a small amount of memory.

For example here's a clone of Theme Park - on the Spectrum - that will load on the 16k model. There's also a downloadable 4k version written for a mini-game competition, although that one has less features.

http://members.fortunecity.com/jonathan6/egghead/id7.html

Naturally software for the PSP will take up more space than software for the Spectrum, but 32mb ought to be plenty of space.

# yeah — Sweeman 2006-11-10 00:26

rss feed would go if i got the choice, and they CANT take away the location free since all those rich spoiled kids out there prob got a set of these...and sony wouldnt like to piss them off..anywayz making seperate eboots out of some functions would be good.

# what the — Guest 2006-11-10 01:49

a couple of words for you

***** IPOD

SCREEEEEEEEEN SIZEEEEEE

get my point?

# MS Duo space — Vipre77 2006-11-10 01:49

As someone else mentioned, it's possible that they meant the question to imply whether or not you're willing to give up *some* memory stick space to copy eboots over for some of these features. Personally, I don't see why some of the programs were included in the firmware to begin with. IMHO, the firmware should simply be a set of I/O instructions and just generally tell the PSP how it should work. The actual *programs* like the emulator, photo viewer, music player, web browser, etc. shouldn't need to be resident in memory all the time, so put them on a disk somewhere where they can be accessed on an as-needed basis. Yes, that does make them a little more accessible to people that want to try to hack them, but those people are already gaining access to the files anyway, so what's the difference? The only downside I can see to going with that strategy is that it could put some limits on what the game devs can do. For example, it would make it harder to allow custom soundtracks if the music player module was located on a memory stick. Only way around it would be to make the memory stick eboots a requirement. Once they do that, the 32MB card that ships with some PSPs won't be very adequate for that purpose and still be able to hold some game saves. Probably need to jump up to a 128MB card as the new standard. That wouldnt't be so bad, I guess. The 128MB cards are damn near free, so cost shouldn't be a big deal.

# Cr@p... — Guest 2006-11-10 01:51

This might be the death of PSP, I mean think of it...

Simple timeline:

1. n00bs WILL upgrade

2. When they've upgraded they'll think "well, this sucks"

3. They will buy PSP G2 (Generation 2)

4. Then they'll have what Sony robbed them of...

5. [basic code] goto 1 [basic code]

5n00b. Go back to step 1

And there you go, an EVIL concept with a big E, all in a nice download with the tag "S0ny Rootkit Entertainment" on it!

Well, now you see just how pissed I can be when Sony actually removes stuff, like the ability to run homebrew.

Note:

If anyone from Sony happens to read this, take it with a grain of salt...

# I agree w/mr toasty — Vipre77 2006-11-10 01:52

1GB is waaaay too much, but something like 128MB or even 64MB shouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility.

# How about get rid of RSS and lessen the secruity? — Guest 2006-11-10 02:05

Yeah, that way, more and more Psps will be brought.

What's the freakin' point of having RSS anywayz?

# just put it back... — Guest 2006-11-10 02:10

why dont they just put everthing back to how it was first supplied and nothing more... that would be fine for me... Videos, Music, Photos, GAMES... and homebrew ;)

# ! — Guest 2006-11-10 02:13

cant sony just let the other features be downloadable to the memory stick if it wont fit on the nand thing?

# Don't remove anything - keep it on the MS — Guest 2006-11-10 03:06

The best thing would be to have an EBOOT-maker on the official site, with which you select what features you want and what one you don't want. If 30 Mb is the limit, and you can choose from 45, then simply check the boxes of the content you think is important!

With this program, after checking some boxes, an EBOOT (or similar) is created which you can dump onto the MS. Let's say I want Music, Photo and Webbrowser often, but seldom RSS, LocationFree (never) or Video. I check the first three boxes and the program will export it to an update EBOOT. Then I flash it onto the PSP, which then will have immediate access to these specific features. The ones I seldom use, however, will be required to be run from an external EBOOT which I have created in the program. The external EBOOT is located on my MS, which makes it more convenient.

Easy, huh? This way there won't be a NAND-memory problem. And it's official! No homebrew programmer would have to get Sony knocking their door with a lawsuit or battleaxe. It would be perfect! =D

# Point of RSS — Guest 2006-11-10 03:12

The point with RSS is to stream and/or download media from the Internet without sitting by a PC. If you're on vacation, just access a hotspot and download the latest news, screenshots, videos, pictures, whatever to you memstick for later use. Or, if you don't have any space left on the MS, just stream it while sitting by the hotspot. I think it's useful, but if they have to change stuff, they could follow my tips I stated earlier (below this comment)

# well it is possible — Guest 2006-11-10 03:17

that they would remove the files that tell how it should write to the mem stick and you would have to put files on the stick via a card reader or whta not- leaving the usb port up top stricktly for the chotto and gps- card readers soo cheap nowadays got mine for 10 bucks w/ shipping

# lol — Guest 2006-11-10 03:19

256's are free at circuit city now

# get rid of the LocationFree Player — Guest 2006-11-10 03:32

I'm pretty sure that the majority of the PSP owners dont use the LocationFree feature because they dont own one of them. So I say if you are looking for space on the flash memory, get rid of it. All I want is my precious PSOne Emulator.

# get rid of the LocationFree Player — Guest 2006-11-10 03:37

# get rid of the LocationFree Player — Guest 2006-11-10 03:39

# ?this sucks — Guest 2006-11-10 03:42

Well none of them but if it has to be one then rss feeds subscription. THIS NEWS FROM SONY SUCKS, its sony messing up again!!! THATS WHY I SUPPORT HOMEBREW!!!!!!

# lol — Guest 2006-11-10 04:25

yeah, rigggghhhhttttt t

sorry but don't throw the "this is how much there losing!" crap out there, some people might believe it, but i for one don't

i download iso's an i can tell you know, its not because i cant afford it. because i can....

i just like to play before i buy, if its good then it gets added to my collection using hard earned cash, other wise its deleted off my hard-drive

if i couldn't download and "try before i buy" i doubt i would of payed for any of the games

I'm a PC gamer, an what i like about a PC is. they produce DEMO's that wet your appetite

psp suffers with hardly any demos

and before you say "just because its a demo, doesn't reflect the whole or finished game"

I'm yet to see a game demo that's been different graphically or game play wise, that's completely different from the final product

also, you want to see how much a company can benefit from releasing a demo of there game, just check out ID software

they release 1/4 of the game doom, now look just how far they have come

# mmmm no. — Guest 2006-11-10 04:31

not gonna happen any idea how much that would cost sony? ps1 emu shud just run off the ms.

# Just remove some of the security features blocking homebrew — Guest 2006-11-10 05:03

Yeah then we could use all sorts of homebrew on the next firmware! That would be cool!

# rss!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! — Guest 2006-11-10 05:42

how do you use rss i have been trying and i have 2.8

# Re — Guest 2006-11-10 06:17

i agree, neither of them are nessasary, all others in the choice MUST stay or i might have to rebel lol

an idea come to mind that they dont have enough room on the flash for a PS1 emulator, maybe this is the reason for getting rid of features eh?

# Good idea for booting from MS — Guest 2006-11-10 07:59

couple of reasons: the internet does suck on the psp at the moment, it is slow, its like dial up again :( A web browser run from a MS could be much faster, it would be much better for it to be like IE or firefox. This applies to the video and music players too, the codecs could be bigger and much more robust (some of the PSP compatible files which run fine on a PC have problems with the PSP). Since the files can be made bigger on the stick, hence containing more features. Also more processor power could be applied to the program itself, rather than storing it. Sony may want to increase the standard MS size to 128MB but its only £30 on ebay for a 2Gig anyway.

All the 'choices' mentioned should not be removed, but why isn't the location free mentioned? my guess is that it is a sony add-on, so they obviously dont want to get rid of it. Also for the people who did pay £200 for one, it would be a real kick in the balls.

Im hoping Sony do realise the potential for the MS storage, since i would happily sacrifice 100MB if i could have a perfect PSP firmware. Mix it in with an optional install for certain programs and everyone's happy.

# No RSS or LocationFree — Guest 2006-11-10 09:02

These should be bundled as separate eboots, along with the psone emulator, VoIP and other new features.

# RSS Channel. — WorldGenesis 2006-11-10 09:48

RSS Channel.

# useless to you, not to me — Guest 2006-11-10 09:56

i use locationfree player all the time, i love it. maybe being a 14 year old kid helps, like when i go on vacation and our hotel has wifi, i can watch tv all over and watch dvds from my dvd player at home. like that or if i have to go to bed on a school night i turn the tv off in the lving room and go to bed and watch it on my psp ;) so this may only be perfect to me but people find better uses for things than you might find for them

# Remove — Guest 2006-11-10 12:21

I actually like the RSS feature. I use it for podcasts like PSPHacking101 and I can get a bunch of other nice stuff with it. I think the LocationFree Player Should go. Who wants to buy a $200 device just so you can use it with your PSP. Plus when PS3 comes out it probably will be nearly obsolete. I liked the idea of storing stuff on the Memory STick. They should make the RSS reader and the Internet Browser applications that run on your PSP just like the game demos.

They should also allow homebrew (yeah right). Well im at 2.82 so I might as well update to 3.00 when it comes out.

# thats not ganna happen — Guest 2006-11-10 12:31

forgate guys abt this gay ***** nothing ganna happen

# where is the security update option? — Guest 2006-11-10 14:16

How about Sony removes the Security patch, Rss and location free player? that would make a lot of people happy =)

# RSS is cool — Guest 2006-11-10 15:07

The RSS functionality is pretty cool for playing media files from a server (PS3?) Works with PCs and Macs for playing back your itunes songs wirelessly over your PSP too.

# how about — Guest 2006-11-10 16:52

you take off all those f*ckin pathetic security features !!!

# How about... — Guest 2006-11-11 00:57

If they just create optional eboots of the:

browser

music player

photo viewer

video player

that way it saves a lot of space.

# . — Guest 2006-11-11 02:16

For the most part I agree with what you say, but surely if a game needs a certain feature it would come with it? Look at Wipeout pure with it's own cut-down internet browser.

I think that this has all been a bit pre-emptive and QJ could well be wrong, maybe Sony are just looking to improve one of the least used features. Or maybe it's just for statistical purposes so the devs can brag about "their feature" being the most useful...

# PUTOS TODOS — Guest 2006-11-11 12:29

PUTOS TODOS

# yo — Guest 2006-11-11 18:03

yo all i gotta say is sony's stupid

# Emulator as eboot + Bad — Guest 2006-11-13 08:45

Naturally they will give the eboot away and not charge for it

# RSS — Guest 2006-11-13 08:48

yep keep it

# send back — Guest 2006-11-16 11:27

i say sony takes everones psp back and upgrades the the system ram, or what ever so they have more space and can worry about this later on. It kinda reminds me of microsoft when ever they release an os, whats wrong with it??? well everthing thats why we are always updating the software to fix everthing they didnt when they released it. SONY TAKE MY psp back and upgrade it. If we all send it get new hardware there is a chance we wont be able to us hb..; for a little while cause everone will be at the same point like when the psp launched then we can start over with the hb scene....

# Wow $ony can kiss the fattest part of my ass. — Guest 2006-11-17 14:49

I think that about sums it up,

The PSP needs so much more, they don't need to

start takin' ***** off, that's bull.

# Can I Emu The 3.00 Update Now — Guest 2006-11-22 02:11

I think its sick program its only pics

Devain Flash

I push all buttons

nothing appears nothing Happend

please tell me can i Emu the 3.00 Update Now

I HAve 2.80

Tell Me Plsssssssssssss sssssssssssssss ssss

# yeah i agree — Guest 2006-11-22 13:48

yeah alot of people here are nuts!1 LOL

but i agree, make use of the game folder of

all features, and use the flash for the interpreter

Like the guy said above,

people will get the files from the firmware and try to hack them, so USE THE GAME FOLDER

# LOL!!! — Guest 2006-11-22 17:23

I knew this would come along but you know what? I'm happy about it. If you all would take a second to think about it, sony is trying to make your psp better not worse. Hey for all you know they can do what nintento would do in a time like this, make a new "Gameboy" and make you spend more money on the same thing just with better memory. So is Sony really against you?

# How about compression? — Guest 2006-11-23 10:47

Did Sony hear of that?

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