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Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof

Posted May 28, 2011 at 10:15PM EST by Mabie A.

Listed in: News Tags: Kazuo Hirai, Sony

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A month after the now historic PSN breach, Sony's PlayStation Network service is now wheeling itself back to normalcy. But is the threat really over?

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Despite adding in new and tougher security systems, Sony says they still can't guarantee that it won't happen again. This was confessed by Kazuo Hirai, saying, "No security system is absolutely foolproof, and changing conditions in the future can make a currently secure environment less secure."

"These gaps in what we know are not for lack of trying by experts, but rather an unfortunate testament to the skill of those who perpetrated the attacks. Some aspects of the intrusion may never be known."

While the restoration underway, the PlayStation Store remains to be decommissioned, despite rumors that it will be going live earlier this week. Asia, for its part, has also just begun on its restoration phase of the PSN. It has been estimated that the whole rehabilitation of the PS3's online service will cost up to US$ 17 million.

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Is the dumbest article I've seen in a while. Talk about trying to get some extra hits with a controversial headline.

No computer system is hack proof.

Technically speaking Microsoft's XBL servers, the servers in place for Nintendo and every other server on the planet has the potential to be hacked. It just takes the right motivation and a loophole to push through.

-10 # RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — NakedFaerie 2011-05-29 00:12

Serves them right to cost so much.
Think about it. They removed OtherOS and it's cost them heaps. If they didn't remove it they would've saved so much money.
If they put it back in it will also save them a lot of money and a lot of hackers trying to hack in again.

The hacks against $ony arn't finished. Now every hacker is going to give it a try and see what they can do.
We all know $ony is now the biggest target and we will get back in eventually. They cant stop it unless they give us what we want and thats the feature they removed back.

# RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — meh 2011-05-29 00:33

Whos is to say that it was some butthurt person that hacked it because they removed the OtherOS, its not like it was anything that important to begin with.

+3 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — dsdsfdsg 2011-05-29 00:36

lol youre an idiot

+2 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — dsdsfdsg 2011-05-29 00:38

wtf why are you reporting on this. Nothing can honestly promise its hack proof because nothing actually is. stop milking the sony articles for more visitors

+2 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — MikeMike 2011-05-29 00:41

Fuck off

+2 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — Baka 2011-05-29 00:43

Must you put a dollar sign every time you spell Sony? Are you a M$ fan boy?

Or perhaps Nintendo$... yeah that last one doesn't work. On a serious note I wish they never had the option for OtherOS so people could stop talking about it, it's gone, let's move on.

+2 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — Keith__ 2011-05-29 00:46

really?
you really think that people who hacked the PSN to get credit card info did it because OtherOS was taken away?

yeah, i'm SURE that's the reason...

+1 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — lordrand11 2011-05-29 01:39

Quoting NakedFaerie:

Serves them right to cost so much.
Think about it. They removed OtherOS and it's cost them heaps. If they didn't remove it they would've saved so much money.
If they put it back in it will also save them a lot of money and a lot of hackers trying to hack in again.

The hacks against $ony arn't finished. Now every hacker is going to give it a try and see what they can do.
We all know $ony is now the biggest target and we will get back in eventually. They cant stop it unless they give us what we want and thats the feature they removed back.

Dude, I understand opinion and all, but seriously this shit was bound to happen regardless of Sony's actions towards otheros and geohot. The console security and stability was disrupted by the soft-mods and they were able to penetrate psn. Now did they bring it on themselves, oh hell yeah, couldn't agree with you more. But stop trying to give this situation some kind of self-righteous justifiable meaning. It happened and would have happened regardless of the measures they took. In short don't be a bonehead and look past your short-sightedness.

# RE: RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — firedragon_jing 2011-05-29 10:14

Quoting lordrand11:

Dude, I understand opinion and all, but seriously this shit was bound to happen regardless of Sony's actions towards otheros and geohot. The console security and stability was disrupted by the soft-mods and they were able to penetrate psn.

Not quite so, the only reason Fail0verflow hacked the thing was to get Linux back, and without them hackers wouldn't have had the low level access they needed for the PSN breech. Sure Geohot was already hacking the thing but he said he wasn't going to release any code, just the method, and no one really payed attention to it. Then you had the boot-USB-sticks that were released but couldn't do a whole lot, most used it for pirating. It was based after an official Sony one that was leaked after OtherOS was shut down. All the PS3 hacking came from the OtherOS, which fail0verflow mentioned in their slide show. Then again Sony is also to blame for having old servers with un-updated Apache software on it, they were just asking for this, and taking away OtherOS was just that.

Regardless if it was really that useful or important to the majority of PS3 users, it was so for a very vocal and skilled group, and this was the result. They should have just left it alone, and I doubt it would have gotten this bad.

+5 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — ColorblindMonk 2011-05-29 01:41

You know what I want? Games. What use did OtherOS have? The PS3 itself is now a full blown entertainment system. You can watch or stream movies, music. Only difference is that it can run Linux, but why? Who really needs it now, since many people have PCs/Macs, cheap netbooks and smart devices that have the same functions?

At that point, it was just there to be there with limited uses, and if it posed a threat to security, well it had to go. But if you really have to have Linux, put it on your PC.

+1 # RE: RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — ChaosZero112 2011-05-29 02:42

Personally I liked using OtherOS for emulators and a better media station.

# Apart from that it wasn't that good at either — 68K 2011-05-31 06:17

Sure you could play emulators and run different media software on it, but with the limited amount of RAM and no decent graphics access, it ran like a dog. I tried it myself.

It was neat that you could run Linux on it, but you have to admit that the PS3 wasn't very good at it and it *really* wasn't very useful.

# That's not the point — ThatOtherGuy 2011-05-29 08:31

When you bought your PS3 you bought a system with the knowledge that it could run OtherOS like Linux. Sony took that away. They took it away for a reason but they still withdrew a feature you paid to have. Some people actually bought their PS3 as a blu-ray player, PS3 console and a home computer. To them, the act of removing said feature resulted in what for us would be the removal of say... blu-ray playback? :-/

# RE: That's not the point — joshbarty1 2011-05-29 10:06

But does hacking PSN justified?

I'm not saying I agree with sony, heck I'll be piss off if I run Linux on my PS3. :|

# Even after... — KSN 2011-05-29 02:27

if they give back that feature, hackers will just want something else from Sony. The desires are limitless.

# RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — joshbarty1 2011-05-29 09:26

Quoting NakedFaerie:

The hacks against $ony arn't finished. Now every hacker is going to give it a try and see what they can do.
We all know $ony is now the biggest target and we will get back in eventually. They cant stop it unless they give us what we want and thats the feature they removed back.

Let's say if a your parents promise to buy you a car and circumstances changed, are you going to break your parents legs and arms?

Hmmmmmm...

# RE: RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — firedragon_jing 2011-05-29 10:05

This is more like your parents already bought you a car and they take it away three years down the road because some nerdy kid that no one was really paying attention to was modding it to be potentially unsafe.

Still that analogy is not very good at all....

# RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — joshbarty1 2011-05-29 21:07

in retrospect its a diabolical analogy xD

+2 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — soppyhankins 2011-05-29 10:58

NakedFaerie...I love how you think you know it all.

Did it ever occur to you that IBM networked stacks use the SAME cell processor that the PS3 uses? Did you also know that IBM MADE that cell processor? Also, didn't you know that PS3's are about $2,000 cheaper than one of those Networked stacks? IBM has the option to STOP selling Sony their processors if their own products are at risk. When people started clustering PS3s together to make a server, both IBM and Sony started losing money. For one, Sony was losing profits for every PS3 sold. Second, IBM's processor was being used as a network. So, to protect their investments, OtherOS was removed. THEREFORE, yes, it was security. But not security for the you, for IBM and them. If you really want Linux, put it on a computer where it belongs. Your PS3 is made to play games and Blu-Rays, not use Linux. Why not build a computer? It's a great project, you learn A LOT, and you get a great station for pennies on the dollar. Plus, you can hook it up to your TV. Problem solved. Now shut up.

+1 # RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — um 2011-05-29 00:13

nothing is hack proof, that's why its called "hacking"

# This SUCKS — SuperSaiyan 2011-05-29 00:14

Put PSN online already.

# RE: This SUCKS — PS360 Owner1 2011-05-29 15:54

PSN is up, what's down is PSS (PlayStation Store).

# RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — Bil 2011-05-29 00:39

Your an fool Faerie a complete and total fool. The OtherOS feature was a threat to the system's security and one of the reasons it was removed.It cost Sony NOTHING to remove the OtherOS

The hackers don't need a reason to attack sony the fact its there is enough. Some people just like to watch the world burn applies equally well to hackers.

Putting back the OtherOS feature just opens the door to further hacking of the firmware.

# RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — firedragon_jing 2011-05-29 10:18

I want to know how putting back OtherOS allows more hacking? The ones doing the hacking have already put it back on their PS3s, there is no more damage that can be done. Most systems are hacked first to put Linux on it. The PS3 had Linux and wasn't hacked for 3 years, that is until Linux was taken away. Coincidence, not really.

-1 # RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — PS360 Owner1 2011-05-29 15:57

Opens the door further? LOOL, the PS3 is completely unlocked now, OtherOS would be used for:

1. Actual UPDATED BROWSER (PS3's browser sucks balls)

2. Play media files (PS3 only plays a few)

3. Use Linux

4. Use as a 2nd PC

I never got the chance to use OtherOS, but it's pretty much like a PC, only it's on a PS3.

# RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — asdaf 2011-05-29 01:59

why everytime that someone talks about sony security i read otherOS in the comments?
it was the fault of geohot that sony pulled out lynux
like everybody says want linux? want to play some emulators? use your pc
I predict that there will be replys of "Sony charged us the other US function when we purchased the console"blablabla
want to blame someone about you getting less for what you payed? blame hackers and geohot

# I love OtherOS — OtherOS ftw. 2011-05-29 02:29

Don't knock it till you love it.

# Other OS. — TanKwonShinobi 2011-05-29 02:36

when sony removed the other OS they really pissed me off to the max. I was using it as as a computer to take breaks from games, and to play roms and emulators at perfect speeds. I had no need for a "real computer." Thats what I paid for. This all came to an abrupt ending when Sony took it away from me. They deserve whatever they got. Although I do miss the PS Store. Oh yeah because they pissed me off, i said screw you and got an Xbox.

# RE: Other OS. — Musev 2011-05-29 13:10

Quoting TanKwonShinobi:

when sony removed the other OS they really pissed me off to the max. I was using it as as a computer to take breaks from games, and to play roms and emulators at perfect speeds. I had no need for a "real computer." Thats what I paid for. This all came to an abrupt ending when Sony took it away from me.

So you were pissed off because you wanted to play games illegally (roms/emulators) and the ps3 browser wasn't good enough for you so when they took out Linux you bought an Xbox because you wanted a console/PC even though afaik the 360 doesn't even have a browser unless you 'hack' it but then you could hack the ps3 and get your otheros back...

I think you're either a complete nobend or your making it all up. you wouldn't benefit by buying a 360 and the money you have to pay a year for live, you could have just bought a few cheap bits to build a PC that runs Linux as fast as the ps3 did within 2 years.

but yeah I believe you probably did do it like some idiot who thinks her making a 'stand' means anything to anything other than herself

# RE: RE: Other OS. — PS360 Owner1 2011-05-29 15:58

You don't need to hack Xbox 360 to have a browser on it, Google it, numbskull.

+5 # Really? — Thinker 2011-05-29 03:29

"Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof"

How is this any sort of news? No system is ever hack-proof.

# What — Souls 2011-05-29 04:05

What i find funny is thats what they claimed about the ps3 before all of this fiasco O_O ironic isn't it?

+1 # RE: Really? — joshbarty1 2011-05-29 09:18

Quoting Thinker:

"Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof"

How is this any sort of news? No system is ever hack-proof.

Very true, as long as its connected to the world wide web a system is considered vulnerable. Even Lockheed-Martin got hacked

I appreciate the news this website gives but the bad journalism frustrate me.

# RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — PS360 Owner1 2011-05-29 06:53

I. WANT. MY. FREE. SHIT.

+2 # RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — chessboxer 2011-05-29 09:28

How come no one in the media is asking what Square Enix is doing for their customers after they got hacked a few weeks ago?

+1 # Wow.... — Tanner 2011-05-29 09:54

*sigh* If you want something hack proof, don't use anything that uses the internet. The Wii may be up your alley since it doesn't have as many (or at least doesn't focus on) online options. Xbox Live isn't hack proof, yet hackers would benefit a lot more from hacking that place if they were doing Identity Theft as there are more people with Xbox Live accounts than PSN. Sometimes I just think people are too blunt and stupid to think before acting.

-1 # RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — firedragon_jing 2011-05-29 10:40

If Sony gave back OtherOS with support for the GPU, along with cross media chat and background music in every game, I guarantee the hacking will greatly reduce. Won't be as low as if they never removed OtherOS in the first place, that demon is already free from it's cage, but you can settle it down from it's rampage against Sony.

Honestly back before OtherOS was taken away, I was hoping for some PS3 mods to bring us some of these features that were asked for and Sony never brought over, like custom music in every game. But now I wish it was never hacked seeing how bad Sony reacted and the backlash it's created. I knew pirating would come of it, that was a given, but I was really hoping to see the PS3 expand like the PSP did when it came out. In fact Sony even looked at the PSP mods to create some of the features in their later firmwares. I just wanted to see that creativity in a better system.

# RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — Exkalibure 2011-05-29 12:47

I could be wrong but if the Xbox is the 1st system to introduce the cross media chat then it would probably cost Sony a lot of money to have that in their system since they have to buy the license from Microsoft to be able to apply it to the PS3 (just like cellphones were not allowed to have Push-To-Talk technology beside Nextel).

As to the background music, I am assuming that you want to be able to play your own choice of music while playing a game? If that is the case then I highly doubt that will ever happen. What developer wants their music to be switched out by a music of your own choice. They spent a lot of money for songwriters, musicians, equipment, etc. and you decide not to listen to it at all? GTA must paid a lot for all those songs in the radio. Granted if you muted the TV and just listen to the stereo or IPOD they can't do much about it. But if Sony gives you the option to do that, I don't know what company is willing to do develop for the PS3 then. Mine as well just give you a game with no sound at all since you won't listen to it. That will save them a lot of money.

# RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — firedragon_jing 2011-05-29 17:15

Actually Microsoft owns patents on both which is why they both aren't present. On the 360 you can listen to your own music on any game, but on the PS3 the option is their but it's up to the developers to implement it or not.

If it was part of the system though it could be a bit more interactive then just playing off an iPod, it could lower or fade out when dialog starts or when an important sound effect or game music starts, or could slow down along with the game in focus modes and such. I just feel it isn't being utilized as it could if it was allowed throughout all games.

And regardless if it would cost Sony some money, it would decrease the desire to hack the system to do so and would allow Sony to get more positive feedback, which allows them to sale more games.

# RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — Exkalibure 2011-05-29 22:54

Well if Microsoft owns both I can imagine Microsoft would charged Sony the price of manufacturing a console for each console just to use their applications. No way Sony would ever agree to that. All companies, including Sony, are greedy.

By giving the developers the option instead of the users makes it a different app so Sony doesn't have to pay Microsoft (maybe small one?) licensing fee.

If the hackers only care about these apps, shouldn't these apps be their first priorities? I still haven't seen any homebrew apps for these. Instead all I see is piracy, Other OS, and emulators. I'm sure there are other homebrew apps but I can't remember. So maybe not as important as you want it?

BTW, hacking from Linux is alot easier than most people think. So the security issue is real there.

# RE: RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — firedragon_jing 2011-05-30 22:03

I wish they would focus on them, I could care less about piracy, and I don't wantg to hack my PS3 just to get Linux, even if they add RSX support. I only used Linux when Sony added it. I see what was dowe with the PS3 and I just don't think the PS3 hacks are getting properly used though I think Sony scared off most legitimate hackers with the lawsuits so that's why you only see it for piracy and getting Linux back.

Also regardless if people can hack through Linux, the PS3 keys are already compromised, no hackers care about that vulnerability anymore.

# RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — firedragon_jing 2011-05-30 22:05

(Fixing grammar issues)

I wish they would focus on them, I could care less about piracy, and I don't want to hack my PS3 just to get Linux, even if they add RSX support. I only used Linux when Sony added it. I see what was down with the PSP and I just don't think the PS3 hacks are getting properly used though I think Sony scared off most legitimate hackers with the lawsuits so that's why you only see it for piracy and getting Linux back.

Also regardless if people can hack through Linux, the PS3 keys are already compromised, no hackers care about that vulnerability anymore.

# RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — kingjose 2011-05-29 11:15

Theis is no security absolutely Foolproof the irs,fbi,cia all banks are fool proof y can't the psn be like that. Oh I know why less money on security more money in their pockets that's y from now on im going to buy psn giftcard their not getting my cc number ever again

# Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — Exkalibure 2011-05-29 12:50

I don't know if the IRS, FBI, or CIA are fool proof or hack proof, but if they are that's probably because of their resources a.k.a the government. As for banks, no they are not fool proof or hack proof.

+1 # RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — crait 2011-05-29 11:55

No one can say that their security is hack-proof.
Not Sony, not Microsoft, not the FBI, not McDonalds.... Stop milking the story.

+2 # Cut some slack — Northstar 2011-05-29 12:27

OK.. We need to give Sony a break...This could have happened with any company. It's just that the hackers have decided to pick on Sony. If you have hackers doing nothing but dedicating thier time to breaking a companies security system.. guess what? Eventually they are gonna do it.. just like they would with any other company that they would target. So just cut some slack... and NO security seystem is fool proof.

+2 # Plaain & Simple — Northstar 2011-05-29 12:29

If anyone out there is concerned about Sony being hacked again and your information being comprimised?.. just buy PSN Cards and add those to your account.. dont put a Credit card number down anymore.. simple as that!!

# Plaain & Simple — Exkalibure 2011-05-29 13:00

Is not as simple as you say. First of all, if you are disabled or just unable to go to a store for whatever reason than you will have to buy it online from Amazon or something and wait till it is shipped to you before you can buy something from the store. And that is assuming nothing goes wrong with the shipping otherwise you will need to complain and blah blah blah before you can get your card, if you ever get them. Then again, you can always send someone to the store to buy it for you.

Second of all, not every countries have PSN cards. Like in Asia (except Japan I think), they don't exist. So for these customers, they have no choice but to use their credit cards to purchase from the PS store. So people should be concern about Sony being hacked again. Then again people should concern about all online system that holds any of your information if it can be hacked.

+1 # Too Many variables... — Northstar_69 2011-05-29 18:08

Ok, I get your point but you are just mentioning too many variables. WE could go on forever if we do that... "I ate a ham sandwhich today so I wont get a PSN card", "It's 2 degrees colder today so I won't get a PSN card today" etc, etc..
I was only reffering to North American accounts as there are no Asia Members looking into this site or commenting on this.
And yes.. it's very simple.. you either put down a CC and live with the fear of your information being stolen AGAIN. And like you mentioned very well this can happen from any website you submit your personal information too OR
you can do the alternative and not put a CC down and not participate in purchaseing online content or just buy a PSN card. one or the other... Black or white. I have learned from Sony's mistakes and quite honestly I do not believe that this is gonna be the first OR the last time Sony is going to get hacked.. so Im just gonna go with purchasing PSN cards and Im sure they will find a way to exploit that!

# RE: Too Many variables... — Exkalibure 2011-05-29 23:16

True, there are too many variables, but it all comes down to the same thing: that person is unable to go to a store.

As to being no Asia members looking into this site, well you are wrong. I reside in Indonesia

.

The fear of your identity being stolen is always going to be there, be it from Sony or from some other 3rd parties. Hell, your CC company or bank could be hacked, internally or externally, and you're screwed anyway. People just need to protect themselves. Which means: 1) keep all receipts that you purchase with your CC or Debit cards and check against your billing/bank statement when it comes, 2) report all fraudulent/strange purchases that appears on your statement, 3) minimize the amt of CC you own, 4) use cash if at all possible (just don't carry too much cause that's not safe either), and 5) be aware of the sites or the stores you are shopping from; if you don't trust the place then don't buy from the place.

I agree with you, use the PSN card if you don't trust Sony anymore. Or you can just use a CC especially for the PSN. Just keep the limit low (like $500 or less). Either way, shop safely.

# RE: Sony can't promise PSN is now hack-proof — Demi-Robb 2011-05-30 00:29

To be honest, when I first bought my PS3, I remembered seeing the other OS feature but ignored it because I didn't know what it did at the time. And to straight, it was REALLY stupid for Sony to put that on a game console i the first place. I can understand they only did this because this is something no one else ever did, installing an OS like Linux or Windows on a PS3, but that was stupid for the simple fact that you get a regular PC and do the same thing. And of this, all this mess and drama happened because Sony stretch their budget too far and made a dumb-ass choice which now currently puts them in a crisis after the PSN Outage.

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