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Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it

Posted Sep 5, 2011 at 6:52PM EST by Karl B.

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A little over a week ago, Microsoft Europe's vice president of Interactive Entertainment Business, Chris Lewis, told Eurogamer that there are certain guidelines that developers and publishers have to follow in order to get their games on Xbox 360.

That's not surprising, but apparently those policies also say that Microsoft has the right not to publish a game that either arrives on a competing platform first or has more content on another platform compared to the Xbox 360 release.

Lewis explained that Microsoft is just protecting their own space, but Sony Computer Entertainment America's SVP of publisher relations, Rob Dyer, believes that these policies are very damaging not only to Microsoft but for the entire gaming industry.

"I think what Chris and the other representatives at Microsoft are doing is protecting an inferior technology," he told Industry Gamers. "I think they want to dumb it down and keep it as pedestrian as possible so that if you want to do anything for Blu-ray or you have extra content above 9 gigs or you want to do anything of that nature, you’d better sure as heck remember that Microsoft can't handle that."

Dyer further stated that while smaller devs are going to be the hardest hit by Microsoft's publishing policies, the problem has already spread to bigger studios.

"Potentially any time we’ve gone out and negotiated exclusive content of things that we’ve announced at things like DPS or E3," said Dyer, "publishers are getting the living crap kicked out of them by Microsoft because they are doing something for the consumer that is better on our platform than it might be perceived on theirs."

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Lolwut? The PS3's RAM is not lacking compared to the 360's. They both have 512MB of RAM, the diff is that Sony dedicates 256MB of that to graphics (and uses superior RAM which clocks 3.2GHz) with the remaining 256 clocked in at 800MHz, whereas all 512MB of the 360's RAM is clocked in at 800MHz (but can be applied much more flexibly thanks to having more pipelines).

I won't get drawn into the whole debate about which's a better setup, although MS's is undeniably simpler for developers to use, but in terms of raw numbers? That's one of the biggest PS3 myths floating around... that it has less than the 360.

-1 # RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — Well_is_not_me 2011-09-05 22:41

I believe micro$oft has a fair point of view it wants their clients to get on the xbox the same as it would get on any other consoles is really cool that and every company should do the same, sony is just mad cuz developers will really be afraid of prioritize their plataform and be cuted down from m$ plataform. This in my point of view is good to make a uniform market, this way doens't matter with plataform u have u have most of the games in both only differing from the exclusives in each plataform.

Makes a lot of sense in fact, if they had the same policy they wouldn't get shit ports from 360 but games with the same quality, u see that lots of ports from 360 have a down side on them like bayonetta or CoD games... I wished my beloved sony aplied the same policy and tried to protect its clients, and not just apologize with shitty gifts...

+3 # RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — Keith_ 2011-09-06 19:54

"sony is just mad cuz developers will really be afraid of prioritize their plataform and be cuted down from m$ plataform."

yeah, because when you can put 5-6 DVDs worth of content on one BluRay disc, you are "cuting down" the MS product.

Final Fantasy 13 was one BD for PS3, and 6 DVDs for Xbox. GTA4 was missing an entire island of content/missions because the Xbox couldn't handle the extra content.

yep, definitely "cuting it down" for PS3.

# RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — TPot 2011-09-05 23:09

Sounds very obviously anti-competitive. Surprised they can legally include those restrictions.

+1 # RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — thepariah4231 2011-09-06 03:40

It's Microsoft. Legitimately competing isn't in their nature.

-1 # RE: RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — umadbro 2011-09-06 15:36

+1 # RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — damn MS 2011-09-05 23:49

So this is why games like Catherine never get dual audio releases for the PS3. Why does Microsoft always gotta screw shit up.

# RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — luckymouse 2011-09-06 20:06

I wish that the article would mention more examples of the things being said in the article maybe then people wouldn't misunderstand its meaning and see the things said for what they really are.

This post up above about Catherine is a mighty fine example !!!

# RE: RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — thepariah4231 2011-09-08 21:22

No, Catherine is not a good example. Atlus care more for Sony products than MS, especially in Japan. They didn't include a dual-audio release because they simply didn't feel like it.

Games such as FF13, however, are a great example of how content gets cut.

# Its simple — dorkgeniuz21 2011-09-06 03:50

Honestly just do with every game what they did for soul caliber.Release one or two exclusive characters for 360,Ps3,WIi etc.That way no one gets left out and for people who dont have one of the 3 systems, it may be something that sparks slight interest to buy said system.Gamers want to feel important and like they have something another gamer doesnt have.

# RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — Azariel_z 2011-09-06 05:47

Pretty sure that Sony has its own policies, "inferior technology" what? they're practically the same, Move is inferior technology if compared to Kinect..
Antialiasing is a bitch on PS3 also, storage on HDD less Xbox is another, ... so on so forward.
Both companies have their rules, and playgrounds, just trying to push one side is not fair.

# Inferior? — haragog1 2011-09-06 08:26

Of course Move is inferior technology compared to kinnect. And the WII also has 1:1 movement, and super HD graphics. Get real.
Keep repeating it and that might sound credible to you.

# Dude — pnkr0cker 2011-09-07 11:17

I think you are misunderstandin g what they are referring to by "Inferior technology." They are talking about obvious limitations that MS did on purpose to make more money, like having to buy an extra HDD, "special" cables that really could do anything a standard data cable could do, so on and so forth. They are dumbing their system down so if you want more space, you have to go out and buy addons, even for the HDDVD movies, which is stupid because the xbox reads DVD9 discs. Why should you have to buy another friggin drive that is identical to the integrated one?

And in my opinion, Move is better than Kinect. It isn't awkward, and especially not buggy.

-1 # rtard — rollypoly 2011-09-07 19:41

he gets it.

you don't get it.

a HDDVD drive is not identical to a DVD. it's actually closer to a bluray drive... as BOTH USE BLUE LASERS.

why would someone want to buy a separate one? so their console isn't $200 more expensive by default. duh.

your opinion isn't mine. kinect isn't awkward or buggy IMO. also, it's a fact that tracking two points in 3d space is inferior to tracking an entire body.

on the subject of cables, at least microsoft doesn't explicitly void your warranty for using third party video cables...

on the subject of dumbing down... that ps3 you hold in such high regard has about 25% of the features it was announced with... and 50% of the features it launched with. let's see... what did microsoft eliminate... OH! those PROPRIETARY memory card ports!

so microsoft takes away stupid things... sounds like smartening up to me.

sony has removed things like... dual output support, dual gigabit ethernet, memory card readers, ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEMS! who is dumbing down what now?

-1 # ... — pnkr0cker 2011-09-07 20:38

I'm perfectly aware that DVD's and HDDVD's are different. What I was saying is that the HDDVD's are what the Xbox uses, and they expect you to buy a whole new drive for no reason at all.

Also, I never said anything about Kinect being inferior; in fact, I find the subject pretty pointless because they are separate purchases. I would like you to elaborate in what way 2 points is "inferior" in comparison to an entire space. Is it older tech, or it doesn't work as well? Also, lack of a button is a bit awkward to me...

On to cables... I wouldn't blame Sony for doing that, because from a legal standpoint, 3rd party chords are not up to Sony's specs, so it kind of makes sense in that aspect. Microsoft is known for making tech that is designed to break, so they don't have a strong footing...

Things like OtherOS, memory card readers etc, were taken away for security reasons, and many people seem to be oblivious to that. The hardware would have been hacked years ago had they not acted. The Wii is an excellent example of that.

# bias — pnkrocker is bias 2011-09-10 16:32

Kinect is buggy and awkward = your opinion of inferiority of kinect vs move.
"Pointless because they are seperate purchases" = PS3 n Xbox 360 are seperate purchases too. Then why argue about them also.
"I wouldn't blame Sony" = of course YOU wouldn't blame Sony because you are bias
"kind of makes sense in that aspect" = to who? sounds like it makes sense to your need to win an argument.
"many people seem to be oblivious to that" = vague words "many" "seem"
"tech that is Designed to break" = why? because of RROD? where is your proof? because if you are talking about RROD then yeah there is a point, but is that all? i have had RROD once got a new xbox couple years back and have not had it show its ugly face again.
By the way, I own both consoles and think they are both great, it is just that pnkrocker had alot of opinion based info and Rolly came with facts.
SO
Conclusion
In the case of Rolly vs pnkrocker
Rolly is the winner!
Good job guys.
Remember, the more your argument sounds like opinion, and it's not backed up with facts, the less credible you become. Dont use vague words or "I", "Me" and "in my opinion" because you are writing it we know it is your opinion.

# RE: bias — UltimaXXI 2011-09-10 20:38

Tl;dr

# RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — SLITHER 2011-09-06 06:43

old or not,thx 4 repost'n iv been saying since day1 360 monopolize devs an gaming companies. they r like bratz. no if we cant they cant. wtmatrix that bs. u know how they got alot of them devs on bs long contracts. when it was bluray vs dvd, if y'all remember 360 said bluray will fail join us we make cheap parts an we want 2 hold^ devs full potential. jus say'n its time 4 360 to drop there new console so all the bs will stop.

guess what it mayb old but its still true

+1 # RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — DaAmazinStaplr 2011-09-06 09:56

English, learn it.

-1 # RE: RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — umadbro 2011-09-06 15:37

get over yourself.

# RE: RE: RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — Keith_ 2011-09-06 19:56

yeah, because god forbid you call someone out for posting gibberish.

# Hmmm... — The Sage 2011-09-06 11:14

I say, that if Sony has better tech, let them show it. I do have to say that I haven't seen anything that can stand nose to nose with MGS4, Uncharted 3, or God of War 3 yet...

Instead of complaining, Sony should just try to point out the differences in Sony only, and let 3rd party developers be angry with Microsoft for the restrictions.

# RE: Hmmm... — umadbro 2011-09-06 15:41

they want to draw more attention to what microsoft's doing because they're sick of having to fight for their credibility. The only things that should limit a dev's product is their imagination and their abilities to code. If microsoft wants to keep 3rd party devs on board then they need to offer them hardware AND policies that don't limit the devs.

# RE: RE: Hmmm... — Andy Mitchell 2011-09-06 17:37

I agree. The whole MS live system is flawed. Granted, it works much better than the PSN, but the fact that developers aren't allowed to communicate cross-platform is just stupid. Yet another mistake MS have made.

The only thing holding developers back on the PS3 is limited RAM and the lack of shader support on the GPU. Why can't MS take the same approach? It's not like they're not already filthy rich...

# RE: RE: RE: Hmmm... — Snaku 2011-09-07 20:56

I'm certainly not supporting MS' position (I'm fine with windows and such but I'm not a fan of their game division), but the "already filthy rich" thing doesn't hold water. Sure the company is rich, but the xbox division lost a ton of money with its first system (I wanna' say they lost $4 billion but I don't feel like looking it up to be sure). Any other company would have gone under... probably even Sony. MS could afford to do it since, as you point out, they're already rich, and they did it to lay the groundwork for the xbox business. When they released the 360, they were still the underdogs in the game business so they needed to use every trick in the book to make it profitable--not uber-we're-ripping-everybody-off-profitable, just plain profitable. They're nowhere near the underdog they used to be, but they're not in a comfortable enough position to loosen their grip on any of the market share they've gotten--they're trailing Nintendo worldwide and they're still trailing Sony in Asia and Japan the last time I checked.

I agree it's a dirty trick and it's one more reason not to like MS, but if I were their CEO, I probably would stick with their policy of placing limitations on devs if it meant the potential to secure a bigger chunk of the market. It sucks and, as has been pointed out, it hurts the entire industry, but it's a fundamental flaw with the whole capitalist system that competition will sometimes retard progress (don't get me wrong--I think socialism and communism are more flawed and competition solves more problems than it creates, but it also has its flaws). The other thing to consider is customer goodwill, but if they released the devs from those restrictions now, it probably wouldn't do much to generate goodwill but could potentially undermine them by allowing games to be better on Playstation.

# RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — D 2011-09-06 17:58

Not surprising. M$ has never done anything right, and rather than correct the problems they drag everyone else down to their level. I'm proud not to own their BS. I may not like Sony's focus on updating and non-gaming features but it's still the better platform.

-1 # RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — DeltaDAWG 2011-09-06 18:18

Both companies have their own set of "inferior" tech.

Either way, this is on par with Coke saying NO PEPSI in Coke labeled machines. Are they protecting inferior soda? Sony can suck it.

# RE: RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — thepariah4231 2011-09-07 06:06

That made no sense. See, that comes down to Coke not wanting to have Pepsi in a machine bought from Coke. A perfectly ok thing. What Microsoft are saying is, "we're fine with you developing for whatever, but if you make us look bad in any way because we were impatient, you can forget the 360 version altogether; we don't want it because we're little kids."

# seriously people? — bobobobobo 2011-09-06 22:19

think about it if the devs "REALLY" wanted to add extra content they would and if the PS3 was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO much more advanced surely all the 3rd party devs would jump ship over to the ps3 and that would be tha end of storey but no consumers and devs alike like/prefer the xbox platform, ive seen plenty of stories about devs hating the experience of making content for the ps3, maybe thats where they are going wrong "inferior" dev based technology, yeah the ps3 is more powerful i wont be dumb and claim otherwise but power/tech isnt everything....look at the Wii and DS for proof of that, i havnt seen MS saying booowhooo devs make games for the wii and we are better, you gotta take what your given and be happy with it in this world, give up with all the couldda, wouldda shudda crap it doesnt help anyone

# also — bobobobobo 2011-09-06 22:22

dont forget this could easily work the other way, MS could turn back around and say sorry Sony your limiting devs with your console in general PC's are even better still for Technology than the ps3 so stop limiting devs SONNNYYYYY, lmao get a grip

# RE: also — hinnngus 2011-09-07 23:33

god, what an idiot...
The difference here is that Sony doesn't stop PS3 versions being produced if its not out on PS3 first, or if it has more content on other platforms.
Seriously, learn to read, then learn to spell, then you can start debating

# RE: Sony believes Microsoft is protecting "inferior technology" and the entire industry is suffering for it — 8675309 2011-09-07 13:41

that could be the answer as to why pc is missing alot of dlc for EA published games

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