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OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail

Posted Jun 19, 2011 at 4:31PM EST by Karl B.

Listed in: News Tags: graf_chokolo, Linux, news, otheros, Sony

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After working on a way to return OtherOS functionality to the PlayStation 3, hacker / developer graf_chokolo was slapped with a lawsuit by Sony. That didn't stop him from continuing to work on OtherOS, but now it seems things are looking rather grim for the hacker.

Graf_chokolo recently posted the following message on his blog:

Hi guys, no money left anymore. Going to jail soon probably because i cannot pay court costs. But i’m ready to stand up for everything i said and go to jail for that too. It’s not important to win, more important is to show them that we are ready to fight, that they cannot scare me off easily. Yeah, i’m ready to go to jail for my believes and my principles.

Most of people probably think that all computer and kernel hackers are weak kids, hiding in a cellar, eating pizza whole day, writing software and looking for attention Maybe, but that’s NOT me. And i will get out eventually and continue my work. My work means very much to me.

Those who wish to donate can find details on graf_chokolo's blog.

The removal of OtherOS has been a sore spot for a number of PS3 owners. One consumer advisory board in Finland even recommended that Sony should pay those affeceted.

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For one thing, you can't alter software that doesn't belong to you, it's illegal. Secondly, you can't distribute said altered software. Thirdly, he went against court orders and continued distributing the software and directly told the judge to f*** off (Yea, he's that stupid). And lastly, as you said, he broke the ToS which in a contractual agreement. Now tell me, how did he not break a law?

# RE: Wow, lack of education HangMan? — White 2011-06-20 10:15

Okay, he did not distribute altered software. He distributed a program "to" alter software which is not illegal thus your third point does not apply.

# RE: Wow, lack of education HangMan? — kitsios 2011-06-20 12:31

Sony also broke laws, and the fact that they have money and lawyers makes them assholes twice.

# RE: RE: Wow, lack of education HangMan? — truk 2011-06-22 20:41

what laws?

# RE: Wow, lack of education HangMan? — Aces In 2011-06-22 09:22

The ToS is something you agree to AFTER you buy. therefore not legally binding.
If it spews EULA or ToS BEFORE you hand over money for a service or hardware so you know what your paying for before you hand out your cash, then yes it is legally binding.
If i sell you a car or house and the transaction is complete, i cant spew terms and conditions after sale, thats crap, it must come before to be legally binding

# RE: Wow, lack of education HangMan? — Aces In The Palm 2011-06-22 09:30

ToS is not legal contractual agreement.
it wasnt agreed to before sale, only after.
you cant sell a car then after transaction tell someone how they have to drive it.

-1 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — slash_th 2011-06-19 19:55

Sony gives us a few free games, but still treat everyone who wants to explore the true potential of PS3 like shit.

not EVERY hacker is out to pirate, the reason there is so much retaliation from these "activists" is cause they are punishing or jailing people who LOVE the PS3 enough to spend hours/days/weeks/months into finding out how to make it even better.

Fuck you sony, your shitty free games are just an attempt to show false care for your customers!

# RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — truk 2011-06-19 23:15

i doubt it has anything to do with love..

# RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Tigerblood 2011-06-19 20:17

Woot, another worthless scumbag off the street. send him to a federal prison for like 10 years and never let him own a computer again, just like a felon cannot own or carry a firearm!

# RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — PS360 Owner1 2011-06-19 21:14

LulzSec and the those other hackers need to be arrested too.

But anyway, his speech was very convicing and nice to read.

-1 # RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — White 2011-06-20 10:16

Your an asshole who ass no recollection of what he has done, none of which is illegal.

# RE: RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Tigerblood 2011-06-20 23:50

you cant type, so your opinion is nullified.

-1 # RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Sab0tage 2011-06-20 13:39

your a fucking moron

# RE: RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Tigerblood 2011-06-20 23:51

You seem to be on the hackers side, so therefore your opinion is nullified.

# You're uninformed — Dragonblood 2011-06-22 12:18

You're uninformed, therefore your opinion is worse than nullified; it's wrong.

# Kudos to him but... — Clixt 2011-06-19 20:42

I salute him for his bravery and he stand on his belief, but if you break the law and must go to jail.

-2 # Rot in jail you pos! — RavenSPe 2011-06-19 20:43

You'll get all the attention you want in jail. That'll teach you to go against court orders you idiot. If your work was so important to you maybe you should have thought about your actions first!

-2 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — luckymouse 2011-06-19 21:14

Poor fellow, atleast he was actually trying to get Linux back on the PS3, one of the few hackers who were actually justified in hiding behind the excuse: Sony stole our linux so we iz hacking your consolez.

Too bad he had to go and reverse engineer the hyper visor, document it and spread it around, which is apparently illegal.

+1 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — EzioAuditoreDaFirenz 2011-06-19 21:38

Even after being continually warned by Sony and the authorities, he refused to listen. As sad as the news is, my sympathy for him is lacking. He knew the consequences.

Don't drop the soap graf

# RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Elmo is a freak 2011-06-19 21:55

He made public his hypervosor Bible after the first breach on his home, yeah he was stupid for doing it after that, but Sony do the same thing to us, break an agreement, other os is part of the system when we buy it, and they take it out, not every people use for hack, if it was security problem, Sony is expert making updates, he was trying to bring back what belong to us, and he did it, but the giant crab is much more powerful, anyway after he gets out of jail (if happen) will have a great future, he is freaking nerd.

+4 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Shimmer 2011-06-19 21:57

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sony announce a little while ago that it isn't against people hacking their system, but by exploiting it for piracy? If that's true then why would they charge someone for fixing what they screwed up in the first place that in no way, shape, or form condones piracy?

# It´s a scam — Busenjohann 2011-06-20 06:23

They don´t. This Guy pretends to be another Sonyvictim to make money out of something he can´t get paid for. He saw Geohot asking for donations and decided he could do the same. Geohot announced to donate the rest he wouldn´t need and published legal documents.
This Phony doesn´t.

# RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — jjcobra 2011-06-20 09:29

Shimmer it's simple, they didnt screw anything up. Sony took out Other OS because it was an unused feature with 90% of the user base.

# RE: RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Shimmer 2011-06-20 15:34

I actually used Other OS. I had an emulator database so i could play thousands of retro titles, I vividly remember the day i decided to update and lose that feature so i could play MW2

# RE: RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Psylink 2011-06-20 18:05

lie, they took it out because of a security flaw. if they had patched the flaw and left otheros, there wouldnt have been a need for people to work on cracking the system open.
people want homebrew/emulators, linux gave them more use of the system to do those types of things.
Just because you don't use it doesnt mean it is an unused feature, if you're quoting sony, they obviously didnt want to say it was a security reason. If you want proof look at how long it took them to tell people their info was potentially compromised and their systems were hacked.
Sony doesn't care about their customers, just the money flowing in.

# RE: RE: RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — truk 2011-06-22 20:45

yes this is what business is. name one business that wants to make money that doesn't do if for the money. i mean, what are you stupid?

-1 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Uplink 2011-06-19 22:27

Welp use the psn while you can im sure its gonna get attacked again soon. Thanks sony for shaking the bee hive again.

-1 # RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — slash_th 2011-06-20 02:12

This ^^^^

yea, thanks sony =/

-1 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Robert 2011-06-20 00:38

Eeesh just install Linux on your damn computer you don't need it on every device that you own.

# RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — yeye 2011-06-20 00:57

^ This.

-1 # RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — slash_th 2011-06-20 02:14

you are a moron aren't you?

reason people wanted linux on their PS3s was to be able to have an extra PC, a lot of people would find it very useful to be able to game on their actual PCs while they can do everyday websurfing and messenger chats.

# The real moron — Slash_slash_th 2011-06-20 03:32

You are the real moron slash_th.

If you buy a PS3 is because your first priority is gaming or playing Blu-ray, not installing to surf the web and use a PC to play game. Most people, if they want a Linux, they think about PC first, not PS3. And why can't you play game on a PC and surf the web at the same time?

# RE: RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — truk 2011-06-22 20:48

Quoting slash_th:

you are a moron aren't you?

reason people wanted linux on their PS3s was to be able to have an extra PC, a lot of people would find it very useful to be able to game on their actual PCs while they can do everyday websurfing and messenger chats.

you mean "pc", because we all know that a pc makes a better pc.

# It's pointless... — Demi-Robb 2011-06-20 02:10

Sigh, honestly now, it's pointless to bring Other OS back on the PS3. To be honest though, what the hell was the point of even having Other OS on the PS3 in the first place? If you want an OS, get a regular computer! I see this Other OS thing as a big ass stain Sony's dumbass made just show everyone that they were the first to put a computer thing in a console which lead to SO MUCH SHIT! What's the point in Other OS, it's dead, gone, erased from existence and also I feature that I don't want to see ever again. If Sony makes another terrible mistake like the Other OS, then they'll die...

+1 # RE: It's pointless... — Psylink 2011-06-20 18:22

so just because you don't use it, it is useless and pointless for every other person who purchased the same thing for the same price and are now being told "choose other os or psn but you can not have both, even you have purchased this for both"

what if you bought a car that had a/c, but the dealer took it out of all of those cars on the next service, because they just didnt feel like fixing something. you paid for that luxury, shouldnt you keep it if you want? then the dealer says, we can fix the a/c but you can't have headlights, so choose one or the other. would you accept that or take measures into your own hands to get both back and working via yourself or someone else that knew how.
granted you may not use the a/c, but other people who purchased the same cars do, so just because you don't use it screw everyone else?

# RE: RE: It's pointless... — truk 2011-06-22 20:50

news flash, ps3 sold better without otheros.

-1 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Sutorcen 2011-06-20 06:04

F U Sony...

First the PS3 was supposed to be more powerful. You took that away.

Then it was supposed to have BC. You took that away.

It was supposed to allow us to run other OSs. You took that away.

So yeah, hackers are the bad guys. Not you selling a totally different machine than you advertised.

-1 # RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — jjcobra 2011-06-20 09:31

Linux doesn't make anything more powerful.

+1 # You're wrong. — Zhipp 2011-06-20 21:46

Linux makes everything more powerful.

# RE: You're wrong. — Ryugen 2011-06-24 16:35

Linux doesn't make everything more power, it let's you use all the power that is available. It's like the force unleashed.

# RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — luckymouse 2011-06-20 09:36

Sony only took the OtherOS option away because a certain unnamed hacker couldn't keep his paws away from his PS3 and started fucking around in it.

Sony took backwards compatibility away because no one bothered to buy the consoles which had it in them, people wanted a cheaper console, which is what they got. And to be honest, you can buy maybe two second hand PS2's for the money you saved while buying the 40GB version instead of the 60GB.

Want to play PS2 games ? Buy a PS2, they do a better job than most PS3s, want to run Linux ? Install it on your computer, does a better job at running linux than your PS3 ever did with OtherOS

# RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Bully Bullistic 2011-06-20 08:32

Thats like saying dont clean your @ss everytime you go to the toilet, you do whatever you want with your life, beside, the ps3 does everything, or im wrong?

# Sw engineer — hacker supporter 2011-06-20 09:12

It is fun - the thief here is for sure Sony . I had, bought and used the "other OS" feature this was "stolen" by Sony.
Now a nice guy may have found it and is trying to get it back to me - and he is put in jail.

# RE: Sw engineer — truk 2011-06-22 20:56

gimmie gimmie never gets, don't you know your manners yet.

how about you stop being a brat and do something about it? how about you figure out how to bring it back? or if it really mattered to you, then you shouldn't have upgraded your ps3. oh yeah, you don't actually care about linux on your ps3 cause you'd rather play videogames and not fight for what you believe and have someone else do the fighting for you...yous a bitch

-1 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Busenjohann 2011-06-20 12:57

Sony is suing me too. Gimme money.

# RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — DeltaDAWG 2011-06-20 13:07

He is so full of crap!

There is nothing for him to pay unless he wants his own lawyer. All he has to do is show up to court. Although without proper legal council he'll have to default.

Don't give him any damn money.

# RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Busenjohann 2011-06-20 15:10

It´s Germany we´re talking about. not the USA. Here we don´t pay millions in court. He didn´t make money with it, he didn´t hurt anybody physicaly so the worst thing that could happen to him is to work in an animal shelter for a few weeks.

He wants to rip of some money. Do not donate!!! It´s a scam.

-1 # lols — hush404 2011-06-20 16:07

He gonna get butt hurt

honestly... the way hackers have been ****ing around gamers lately... they really shouldn't expect any sympathy now.

-1 # RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Demi-Robb 2011-06-20 18:01

Seriously now that I think about it, what more do people even want out of the PS3? All those extra features it had before were just rubbish and irrelevant to begin with. All I do on my PS3 is 2 things: Play games, and stream/watch movies and that's all I'll even do with it. If you want to use an OS, get a computer! Stop fucking around with software that you're not authorize to mess with because it's illegal! That's like some asshole shoving his dick into a kid's birthday because he can, even though that's completely fucked-up and you can get in serious trouble for it! Also Other OS was and will always be a mistake that Sony made and a failure in my book.

# RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Coolio 2011-06-20 20:23

Linux and PC is better than Linux and PS3

# RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — Norml 2011-06-21 21:09

Funny to see tards talk shit on the only people standing up for consumer rights. This guy has done nothing wrong and Sony is 100% at fault, they have no security and take away things the customer bought at the customers expense. This company really need's it's wallet hurt, more so then the lose they took when putting out the ps3. They think that PS3 you bought is a rental, soon you'll have to pay a fee just to play the paid for games you bought or worse, they take away the feature all together. Think they can't?...thank god my PSPs were all after market, Sony has gone down hill ever since the PSX came out, forgetting about the very people who pay their bills.

# RE: RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — truk 2011-06-22 20:59

too late, it's called subscription gaming. look it up, i hear world of war craft is about it and that just sold millions.

# mr — BrianeyG 2011-06-23 19:13

iv a jar of Vas for donation im sure it will come in handy for "sexy jail time"

I wont be loosing any sleep over this creep going down literally

# RE: OtherOS crusader graf_chokolo might be going to jail — ETR2k3 2011-06-25 16:05

Since most of you never leave your basements long enough to learn how the world works, let me see if I can explain.

As it says in the first line, Graf is looking at jail time because he can't pay court costs. Usually, "court costs" refers to the money that has to be paid to the court for the use of the courtroom, salaries for the judge, bailiffs, etc. If you're unable to pay your court costs by the time they're do, a bench warrant is issued, and you can be arrested regardless of the outcome of the case. I was in a similar situation over a minor misdemeanor that was dismissed. Even though I was not charged with any wrongdoing, I was still looking at jail time had I not paid the money by the date it was due.

As far as what Graf did development-wise, there is a clause in the DMCA that protects those who want to develop jailbreaks for their devices, and has been in place since the Apple V. Geohot case. If Graf manages to take the case all the way, unlike Hotz who settled out of court, chances are all he'll get stuck answering for is ignoring a court order to not continue work until the case is over.

Sony's tactic has been, and probably always will be, to sue in an attempt to bankrupt devs, not to win cases. It's a scare tactic. The precedent was set with the Apple case, jailbreaking is not a crime.

Hopefully the 5 of you who read all of that feel better informed for doing so.

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