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Capcom Defends On-Disc DLC, Says it's Just a Difference of Delivery Mechanism |
Listed in: News Tags: Capcom, on-disc dlc, street fighter x tekken
Capcom's been catching a lot of flack for having a bunch of DLC on-disc for Street Fighter x Tekken. Now they're firing back.
Unlike BioWare, a lot of gaming companies don't respond publicly to fans' criticism. However, when your fans take their fight to the Better Business Bureau you pretty much have no choice. As such, Capcom has responded to the furor of having all that content on the disc, albeit in an unlocked state.
"At Capcom, we value our customers and make every effort to resolve customer complaints," reads their statement. "SFxT has an enormous amount of content, fully developed and available for play and enjoyment immediately on-disc. Given the 38 characters available for full play, as well as multiple play modes, SFxT provides great value for all players from day one.
"While Capcom is sorry that some of its fans are not happy about the chosen method for delivery for the DLC," it goes on, "we believe that this method will provide more flexible and efficient gameplay throughout the game's lifecycle."
The statement then wraps up with a good one: "There is effectively no distinction between the DLC being 'locked' behind the disc and available for unlocking at a later date, or being available through a full download at a later date, other than delivery mechanism."
Those 12 characters "behind the disc" cost $15. Hadouken!
Maybe we should just start calling it "unlockable content" rather than "downloadable content?"
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Aside from that, I agree with capcom. It shouldn't really matter whether you download actual data or just a small update patch, you will end up paying for it one way or another anyway... and if having the all on disc from the start helps out the developer ( lower bandwidth costs, better streaming of data ) then so be it.
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All these kids these days crying about what people owe them. Pathetic.
What they don't realize if is they sold the discs with all content unlocked then the game would cost THAT MUCH MORE.
But it's easy to compare one game to another and judge it content wise as to how much you get so they simply feel since the game in question is equal content then they deserve all of it for the same price. You know, because every car on the road costs exactly the same.
Ugh.
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Actually offering a complete game experience would be a good business decision. They would sell more games because gamers would anticipate a good (FULL) game release. What a terrible direction gaming is headed into...
I don't think the strategy of requiring an extra purchase to play all the content already on a disc will work out though. Capcom used to have better management... They're running their own name into the gutter.
Imagine buying a car where the transmission only shifts into 2 gears, then a paid software upgrade is needed to use the other 2 gears. Wouldn't be tolerated at all in any other industry, why should it be in videogames?
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These games are coming with a normal amount of content. 4-5 gears. You have to pay extra if you want EVEN MORE gears.
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2. That is precisely why people say 99% instead of 100%. Just because you found a small handful of games that have less content means they are the exception, not the norm. The vast majority of games have less content than they did before.
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See, I can talk out my ass just like you.
"The vast majority of games have less content than they did before."
More ass talk. I hope you realize how foolish you sound. Now go play Pac-Man and think about what you think you know for a few months.
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How about you debate on actual facts instead of slinging childish insults and personal attacks?
You are showing every sign of someone who does not know how to debate whatsoever.
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Gee, lets not over look the idea that fighter games simply suck today.
OMFG!!! Street Fighter XII has 2 less characters then Street Fighter X.
Games today cost $60 versus $40 from the past. What now? You slip into a coma? Milk also used to cost a dime a gallon. OMFG, the milk content of today sucks!!!!
Do you know WTF the term economy means? I hope you realize your entire argue here shows us hands down you don't know shit about it.
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And you claim *I* am the one who is using opinions in their debates.
"Games today cost $60 versus $40 from the past"
I don't even know where to BEGIN with whats wrong with that.
That statement alone pretty much proves that you have very little experience on this subject.
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Good luck in life. You'll need it.
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You have no right to any code. Period. You WILL pay for whatever they want you to pay for. The alternative is to NOT play their game. Guess what? You have every right NOT to buy their games. You should man up and exercise that right.
My guess is you're also one of those whiny bitches that complains about there being separate iPhone and iPad versions of a game out but you have to pay for both instead of getting the SAME GAME for one price. What's next? A game comes out for all platforms therefore they OWN YOU all 4+ games? Ridiculous!
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You know, if you want to get into an insult match slinging "child" and "stupid" and every opportunity, I can do that to. But no, I'm above that. I am trying to have a rational discussion here, YOU want to insult everyone who disagrees with you and sling insults every two seconds as if this somehow makes your points more valid, not less.
I have argued against every point you made, you ignored every point I made and just keep responding with the equivalent of "You are stupid and don't know anything" without using any facts to back it up.
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Jesus you fuck, open your eyes and look at it. That is NOT a debate. If you think it is then that proves right there how ignorant you can truly be.
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The product in question belongs to the company that made it. They can set whatever price they want.
There are plenty of $50 games out there on launch day. No one has to set a game at $60 as you claimed.
$40, $50, $60, they're all out there. What Tosh.0 was trying to explain to you yet you failed to understand is that the cost of businesses go up. Yet no one can get away with charging over $60 for a game. Thus they add on additional content. Just because one one company can make a game for $60 doesn't mean another company can make equal content for equal price. Why do you think he brought up econ? He's right, you really are clueless.
Don't like it? Don't buy it. Quit being a dick about it.
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$60 is pretty much the MSRP for nearly any modern console game. Yes, a company CAN release a game for $70 or more if they wanted to, but it would be facing very stern competition from every other game being $60.
"What Tosh.0 was trying to explain to you yet you failed to understand is that the cost of businesses go up. Yet no one can get away with charging over $60 for a game. "
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING!
As for cost of business, actually, it has gone DOWN for the games industry. You want high cost of business? Look at the NES and SNES era, the gaming industry is like a goldmine compared to back then. You are aware that the videogames industry is one of the very few industries which has profits during the recent recession while almost every other industry on the planet suffered losses right? Yet, they are the greediest industry on the planet. Constantly complaining about secondhand sales, online passes, on-disk DLC, selling us stuff that just last gen used to be free... and people DEFEND this.
The only one here being a "dick" is tosh.0, notice I actually debate, not just call everyone stupid and rant and rave like lunatic when others disagree with me.
Funny how the very people that used to call me clueless years ago when I argued against some of the stunts the ames industry tries to pull are on my side now, sadly, theres a whole new slew of people now calling THEM clueless because they are too blinded to see the truth. This always comes full-circle.
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He said GET AWAY WITH. You can't read for shit.
"As for cost of business, actually, it has gone DOWN for the games industry."
100% FLAT OUT WRONG!!!!
But thanks for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you don't know jack shit about econ.
You're also a pathetic liar, here's why:
"What Tosh.0 was trying to explain to you yet you failed to understand is that the cost of businesses go up."
Then you claim:
"THATS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING!"
Then you state:
"As for cost of business, actually, it has gone DOWN for the games industry
You can't even keep your own shit straight. Up, down, you have no clue.
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That was PRECISELY MY POINT, it was in my first damn response to you. And you claim that *I* am the one who has no reading comprehension.
"100% FLAT OUT WRONG!!!!"
Lets see.... Gaming used to be a niche market considered for children only. Computer programmers were rare and those that can code games even rarer. The medium (cartridges) were even more ocstly than modern mediums.
Now gaming comes on cheap to produce optical disks and is the top form of entertanment in the US, even surpasing movies and music, programmers who know hwo to code games are a dime a dozen and the average age of the gamer is 18-35.
I love how you just go "You are WRONG, now instead of me explaning myself, let me insult you some more, because that definately proves MY point."
You are the only clueless one my friend.
Care to throw some more insults now? Maybe a few more f-bombs will magically make your senseless babbling valid?
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No, it was not. In fact the point was not yours to have. He said get away with. You replied like a fucking idiot saying that they CAN if they wanted to. You even highlighted the word CAN.
Jesus you fuck, at least own up to your own shit.
"Gaming used to be a niche market considered for children only.
WRONG! Arcades were catered towards adults. Don't tell me you're one of those dumb fuck kids that think the NES was first machine to ever play video games? Even the fucking Atari was advertised for adults.
Once again, you are ignorant as all hell about what you are talking about.
Let' see, what else can you be wrong about? You've been wrong about at least 20 things so far.
This is fun. You have to be hands down the stupidest fuck I've ever come across.
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"Imagine buying a fine and decent car, but you get the ability to pimp it with a stereo system and cool looking windshield wipers".
The thing is, the game has 38 characters with whom you can play if you buy the game in the store and don't buy anything online. 38 characters and you are complaining about it being like a car with only two gears? Let me put those 38 characters in perspective for you;
Comparing this roster with some of the big fighting games, how can you really complain that there are only 38 characters in this game.
Where does the sense of entitlement come from towards those extra 16 or so characters? Just because the company designed and created them, doesn't mean that they owe them to you because you bought the game.
( I myself don't like companies selling half games and then releasing the rest as DLC, but in this case, you are getting a pretty darn good deal with just the base game... so your 2-gear car thing... no, just no )
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Remember the golden rule "Dont screw your customers"
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By saying that the car had only two gears ( which is sub-standard for any car ) he was painting the picture of substandard product, bought at full price, with the only way of getting that car up to normal operational levels being paying more money.
It may not be about the numbers to you, but it certainly was implied and emphasized on a lot in that analogy and seeing as the game you get is not as gimped as a 2gear car would be, the analogy doesn't fit the situation at hand; the current situation and the analogy seem to focus on two different things.
There is no rule stating that a company can only create extra content after the game has already gone gold. For some reason, gamers feel that they have the right to every piece of code written from the start of a project up to the time that the discs are pressed. If you don't mind me asking, why is this so?
( don't bother answering with "they are only delivering half a product!!", because in this case, the base game is quite good and well filled with content for modern and past standards )
Customers need to chill out and stop being whiny bitches all the time. You don't go complaining when they release an extra version of a movie DVD with behind the scenes footage, do you?
I mean, they had that footage before they printed the regular dvd and started selling that to the masses, they might as well have given that to you with the normal edition of the dvd eh ?
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Having the DLC on the disc is a "good" thing, or would you rather have them releasing the data for these characters a week after the release of the game and then you would have to download a 500MB install file just so that you can play with people online, even though you can't use the characters because you haven't bought them.
I didn't hear people screaming foul when LBP forced people to download costume and mappack data because people online might just have some DLC item equiped. You had all the data on your PS3 but you couldn't access it.
Remember another golden rule "customers are idiots and in some cases, the less they know the better". Not calling you personally an idiot, just general people throwing a hissy fit about things like this.
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This is why I don't buy DLCs.
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Yes, yes there is a HUGE distinction. The content has been finished, is ready, and complete by the time the game disks are being pressed. The point of DLC was for addons and expansions developed AFTER the release of the game (or at the very least, after the pressing of the disks) in order to extend the life of the game. Not to fully develop the game, then sell half of it and slowly sell the other half in pieces in order to "extend" the game's life.
Games before the DLC era used to have far more costumes and characters than they have nowadays. Its pathetic.
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So you would rather pay $80 for the game? I think most people would disagree with you. That content costs money. Period. If you want it then you have to pay for it.
You should be thanking them for breaking it up and allowing you to purchase the base game for a normal price and allowing you to buy whatever addons you want to use/play.
They gave YOU choice. Yet here you are complaining about having choice. How anti-freedom of you.
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Faulty logic, incedibly faulty logic.
59.99 is the acepted MSRP of a modern HD console videogame. It dosen't matter if you or the publisher personally thinks the game has $100 or $10 worth of content, it will have a $60 pricetag. How often do you see a game that DOSEN'T launch for $60 for the 360 or PS3? Is it fair that a budget title that was clearly rushed out as fast as possible to make a quick buck on a kids movie title is $60 while a game that a dev team has spent years on also goes for $60?
The game does NOT have $80 or whatever worth of content, and if anything, it arguably has far less than $60, as games from as early as the PS2 had far more content for $50.
Darkstalkers 3 for the PS1 - EVERY character from every previous Darkstalkers game and even let you custom edit their pallets
Melty Blod Act Cadenza - PS2 - About 35 characters, THREE movesets for each, and 35 pallets for each
Blazblue PS3/360 - About 12 characters and a small handful of pallets for each, you have to BUY the other pallets.
Notice how we are moving backwards, and with each step get less content? Especially once DLC and on-disk DLC hit, they have been nickle and diming us for everything, thinks we got for free last gen.
So no, I am NOT going to "thank" them for purposely witholding content that came with the game as little as one generation ago and then charging us out the nose for it. Your entire retort was full of logical extremes and strawmen an d coulden't be any further from the truth.
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The price isn't based on per disc. It's based on the content.
You are doing the same small minded childish thing I described above in another post.
"purposely witholding content "
LOL!!!! Thanks, I needed the laugh. Super busy today with tons of crap. I know right? How dare those assholes that created mass effects break their game up into 3 parts. They should have just kept on coding and released it when it was fully done for $60. Get real.
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"The price isn't based on per disc. It's based on the content."
And as I already explained, we are actually getting less and less content each generation. Even IF you ignored everything to do with MSRPs and how much one would be willing to pay for a single disk.
"How dare those assholes that created mass effects break their game up into 3 parts."
No, see, this is the problem with debating with you. Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 are seperate games. They are NOT purposely witheld content. Mass Effect 2 was nowher near finished or barely evne started when Mass Effect 1 came out.
"DLC" that is on the disk when you buy it however, IS. Having sequels to a game is fine, having expansions and add-ons made after the game is relased like ME1/2 and Borderlands has done is fine. Putting characters, levels, custumes, and quests on the disk but NOT letting you access them unless you pay extra is NOT fine. THAT is withheld content, not sequels or expansions.
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No shit, that's why I said they should have waited until ALL coding was done.
You keep falling into the same trap. You are assuming that $60 = X amount of dev time. That is hands down the stupidest thing I've ever heard when discussing this issue.
But that's where YOU draw your price line. Good for you. You lose. Stop buying games.
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For crying out loud, you compared extra character/costume DLC to entire game sequels that can take 40-100 hours to finish.
And of COURSE Mass Effect 2 would not be finished when 1 is out. Typically you don't have a content-rich sequel ready to be shipped before the first game in the series is even out. Thats my whole point, you was acting as if I was saying all of Mass Effect should have been on one disk and acted as if my complaints about DLC was alike to complaining about Mass Effect 1-3 not being on a single disk.
You keep making logical extremes and strawmen in your arguments, and whenever I have a point, you completely ignore it.
Just LOOK at your argument, you have been reduced to arguing about the MSRP because I have countered every other argument you made. Your posts are full of anger and personal attacks, hardly the sign of a good debater.
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2. Go look up straw man, you have no clue what it means.
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You bring up arugments like insuiniating I believe Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 should be one game for $60, this had nothing to do with the arugment at hand since there is zero relation between this and on-disk DLC, and its clearly an extreme arugment that nobody in their right minds would disagree with, and then you claim you defeated my arguments with this. That is the very definition of a strawman.
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1. Of course it was an extreme. That tactic is used to make someone open their eyes as to how ignorant they're being about their weak argument in the other direction. So show them that they are drawing lines that have no business being drawn.
Proof you failed:
"Honestly, you compared a full-fledged sequel to on-disk DLC."
Why is that proof? Anything that can be followed with "no shit" proves the other party said something pretty damn stupid.
More proof you didn't understand at all:
"You bring up arugments like insuiniating I believe Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 should be one game for $60"
Why? Simple. No I did not insinuate that.
What else you got? This should be good.
Oh btw, I sure hope you fully intend to backup your beliefs by never buying another game again. If not then you're a hypocrite.
Look pal, everything you have said is pure crap. If a game that has normal content worthy of the $60 charge (lets say 10 chapters) is put out on shelves to have people pay for it and be happy with it only later to have a new version packaged with a bonus chapter 11 for a $5 unlock and again have people be happy with the EXTRA content then it DOES NOT MATTER if that chapter 11 was packaged later or earlier. Period.
Absolutely no form of logic can show otherwise.
You are simply nothing more then a crying child wanting something for nothing. Or crying socialist or crying liberal...take your pick.
Your entire argument is based on WHEN the content was created. Good luck with that! Maybe some business classes in college will do you good.
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Remember this? "So if a game company decides to put Mass Effects 1, 2 and 3 on one disc then you think you deserve to only pay $60?"
I don't think you know what the word hypocrite means either. Seems like you enjoy making up rules as you go along, then slinging personal attacks and claiming everyone who does not believe what you believe is wrong.
And yes, it DOEs matter if the content is packed on the disk or not, PERIOD. Why? BECAUSE THERE IS NO GODDAMN SCALE OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED $X OF CONTENT. You don't judge how complete a game is based on how many lines of code is written, the developers are charging $60 BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, purely due to people like you, not because the game supposedly has some imaginary value of "$60 worth of content.
The fact of the matter is, the content was ready long before the game was on shelves (takes time to press disks you know). It was purposely withheld in order to charge you more, when DLC is meant to give developers a way to continue adding onto a game after it is finished in order to extend it's life, not chop away pieces and sell them back to you.
You want to debate with me? Use facts and logic, FACTS AND LOGIC. Not silly personal attacks and insults. Those do nothing but prove who the real child in this argument is. This is the internet, your insults carry no weight, you can sling personal attacks and wears left and right and I will continue to ignore them, as they are nothing but a sign of you failing to be able to debate rationally and instead resorting to the internet equivalent of shouting at the top of your lungs. (Psst, this is the part where you claim *I* am the child and that I am not worth your time (despite you spending far more time arguing against me than the norm) and that you are using insults because my points are too stupid to argue with even though you know damn well its really because you have no counter argument and want oh so badly to sound like you are in the right.)
Yes, I have danced to this song before.
(Psst, now THIS is the part where you laugh and pretend I haven't gotten you figured all out, and then respond with an insulting "Psst" style reply of your own)
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Think of games as having features, like a car. A game is presented as is from point A to point B. Just like a car. If you want more features on a car then you have to pay more. Do you really think that GPS system costs $1,000? FUCK NO! They charge it because they can. What part of that are you not understanding?
If you want MORE then you pay MORE. EVERYONE on this big huge planet does the same exact thing. So, why should they be any different? Because you say so? HAHAHAHA!
Guess what child, if you do not want to pay more then you do NOT have to. Like I said above, you have every right to not buy it.
So I ask you, what the hell is your problem or issue with this?
If you want to use the code then you have to pay for it. Period.
They are 100% within their rights to set whatever price they want for their product. If you want to USE the code then you have to pay for it. See the word USE? Go look it up. It doesn't matter if it's on the disc because guess what? At least half of that GPS system is already in the car. In FACT most features that you can add on to cars are already there. They're just not hooked up.
Here's something else for you to blow your fucking mind on. You ever look at buying an amp and have three model to choose from. Maybe low to mid to high end power? All three model at 99.99999% the same. The difference is there are resistors installed to inhibit the additional power on the lower models. People used to publish books that explained what resistor or component to cut to turn lower models into higher models. It's simply cheaper to manufacture that way. The fact is, when it comes to business you are ignorant.
"You want to debate with me? Use facts and logic, FACTS AND LOGIC"
Says the kid crying about fighting games not having enough characters.
Wanna her something funny? Companies are going to keep on keeping on with this model and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Except of course, cry over it.
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If you REALLY want to use that horribly broken analogy though: On-disk DLC is the equivalent of buying a car but the radio and AC are in the car, but locked down unless you pay extra.
And actually, in-car GPS systems are nothing like those $150 or so GPS systems you get at your local Best Buy, they pretty much start out at $600 or so and only go up from there.
Getting extra features that the car dosen't come with is actually what DLC is supposed to be, extra content made after the game is out. Its not content thats on the disk but locked out, just like how an extra feature of a cat isn't a radio or AC that's built-in but locked from you using it.
For your amp analogy: Standard, Limited, and Collector's editions. There, theres your videogame equivalent. Its NOT DLC.
"Wanna her something funny? Companies are going to keep on keeping on with this model and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Except of course, cry over it."
Is that why Capcom is in trouble with the BBB over this very thing and has thousands of customer complaints?
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What part of car extras being in the car already yet you can't use them unless you pay for them did you NOT UNDERSTAND?
And you're right, built in GPS systems in a car are not like the ones you buy in a store. THEY ARE WORSE. A $600 retail GPS system has 10 times the amount of features then a $1,000 stock unit.
Once again, your ignorance shows.
"For your amp analogy: Standard, Limited, and Collector's editions. There, theres your videogame equivalent. Its NOT DLC."
WRONG! The three items you just mentioned come with different things. Actual physcial different items. Holy fucking crap, you completly FAILED to understand what I said. I bet you on't even kno WTF a percentage is???
I swear to God I'm talking to a 2 year old.
"Is that why Capcom is in trouble with the BBB over this very thing and has thousands of customer complaints?"
Oh gee, Capcom and no one else is in trouble. 1,000's you say? Oh no, what ever will they do with the loss of thousands out of MILLIONS?
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The only parts that would qualify are systems that require a monthly serice like OnStar.
"A $600 retail GPS system has 10 times the amount of features then a $1,000 stock unit."
Ummm no, those are the same systems.
"Once again, your ignorance shows."
They really need to put your name next to irony in the dictionary.
"WRONG! The three items you just mentioned come with different things. Actual physcial different items."
Just like the different amps come with different parts.
Do try to keep up.
"I swear to God I'm talking to a 2 year old."
The feeling is mutual.
"Oh gee, Capcom and no one else is in trouble."
Wow, and you call ME ignorant. You think Capcom is the only one they will go after? They are just the biggest offender.
Tons of class action lawsuits out there have had thousands of people take n and win against multibillion dollar companies. I cannot believe you are pulling the "They are big so they can do whatever they want, I win!" tactic. you REALLY must be out of arguments.
Then again, the fact that you started instantly launching personal attacks instead of actually debating with me from the start is proof that you never had an argument to begin with.
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FALSE! I already gave you examples above.
"Ummm no, those are the same systems."
WRONG! Want just one example? Most all stock systems do not have POI.
"I cannot believe you are pulling the "They are big so they can do whatever they want, I win!""
That's funny seeing as how I do not believe that. Now you're just making shit up.
Like I said in another post, you can't even keep your own shit straight.
You are clueless.
Enjoy buying DLC!
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Actually, you didn't The only thing you mentioned was GPS systems.
The vast majority of those car GPS systems run off of iGO, most likely it is skinned similar to the way carriers brand a cellphone with their own skins and software, but thats what its running under that branding, and its one of the most powerful GPS software out there.
"That's funny seeing as how I do not believe that."
Then why did you constantly mention about how big Capcom is and how companies will continue to do what they want and "there is nothing you can do about it", which has been proven wrong many times this gen alone?
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Yes I did. Go back and fucking read.
"Then why did you constantly mention about how big Capcom is"
I did not constantly mention how big they are. The only reason you think I did is because your dumbass mind injects bullshit into conversations as you read them which explains the majority of your ignorance. I mentioned how ALL OF THOSE companies will continue their pricing model because it's what ALL COMPANIES do, gaming and none gaming.
By all means, continue on and prove countless more times that you can't read for shit and what you do read you fail to understand anyway.
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Now who's the straw man huh? I gave you an EXACT feature yet you skip over it and go off and talk about iGO. Fuck iGO.
Most stock GPSs do not have POI. How about you address that? You refuse to because it proves you wrong.
Most stock GPSs are not up to date. How about you address that? You refuse to because it proves you wrong.
Most stock GPSs have smaller maps of the entire continent. How about you address that? You refuse to because it proves you wrong.
Most stock GPSs charge HUNDREDS of dollars for updates. How about you address that? You refuse to because it proves you wrong.
Most stocks GPSs do not have voice controls. How about you address that? You refuse to because it proves you wrong.
Most stock systems are gimped. They do not have the same level of data as personal units. In fact, countless people choose NOT to get the stock system and get aftermarket because they provide a much greater experience.
Seeing as how just one wasn't enough for your troll ass, I provided as assload more for you. Your EXCUSE this will be rather interesting. I'm guessing you'll come back with one or two models that have one of those missing features therdfore ignoring the other countless HUNDREDS of models on the current market. Because that's how you work. You only need one example of something then run with it and think that's how the whole world works. In FACT other users on this page have asked you specific questions YET YOU NEVER ANSWER THEM because you can NOT.
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By all means, keep running your mouth off. Talking about bullshit that doesn't even matter. Continue to ignore everything that anyone brings up to you. Continue to believe that everyone on this entire page is wrong but you. Yet the end result remains the same. YOU WILL PAY For DLC or you will NOT get the content. Unless of course you steal it which wouldn't suprise me. Based on everything you've written here if you wound up being a theiving asshole I wouldn't be suprised one bit.
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"In fact you turn around and backtrack claiming they shouldn't"
I said from the start that differnet games have different amounts of content, yet games are almsot always priced at $60.
"game companies today should be making more content for less because.....there is no reason, you simply "feel" they should. "
No, I never said that, I said they are making less and charging more. Feel free to compeltely spin my words incorrectly though.
"The cost of running a business today is much higher then ever before"
You are failing to understand that profit margins are also far far higher than before, and gaming is a far more popular pasttime today than it was a decade or two ago, meaning even MORE profits.
"The sad part is, you think the word ignorant is an insult. Which means you don't even know ignorant means!"
If you're going to try to explain to me what a word means, you might want to actually get the definition right.
"By all means, keep running your mouth off."
No thanks, I don't subscribe to your school of "debate".
"Continue to ignore everything that anyone brings up to you. "
Sorry, I am confused, are you talking to me or describing yourself?
Baseless accusations, more insults, more swaring..... yep, everyone is in total AWE of your master skills of logic and debate.
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BTW, Mass Effect has enough content to justify 3 games. Lots of gameplay per game, not simply new maps or whatnot.
I knew qj would never stop harassing people who visit this site. They just pretend to be a regular user and defend every decision a potential advertiser makes. Then when that "regular user" character gets too bad of a reputation, they just switch names!
Why not close the forums if people aren't allowed to express opinions? Or rather, only one sided opinions.
Check out my profile and the feedback I got for exposing this site and their day to day business decisions. A monkey could run a site better than qj's owners.
STOP ONLINE HARASSMENT QJ!
Respect your users that visit your site and they might respect you!
The only commentators acting childish are qj's employees!
Shame on you for ruining Tosh.O's good name!
A forum is FOR opinions, not shameless advertising.
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Sure, you own the site. You have the best opinions. Especially when everyone disagrees with you. Dave. Whatever your real name is at qj.
New game releases are $60. You SHOULD get a full game for that price. Every other system and game up until recently offered that.
This is the pre-emptive strike, if you will to the eventual reality that new games will be worthless for reselling the instant you purchase them.
I think this will cause a new videogame crash, and honestly I hope it does. Gamers aren't stupid. They know a ripoff when they see it.
Cyber Akuma had a good argument and spent time explaining his opinion. However this is a site that doesn't give a shit.
Let me explain how qj works to newcomer Cyber Akuma.
Non approved opinions are not allowed on qj. Nor do they bother telling anybody they will be harassed by employees for expressing opinions. Oh, and said employees pretend to be regular users that constantly violate qj's own rules and never get banned.
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The site's owners don't have the maturity level to make rules and enforce them in a professional manner like most other sites. That's why there are no long term members on qj.
They treat people like dogshit. Time to look in the mirror qj!
I would strongly reccomend visiting a site that respects their visitors who bring ad revenue into their pockets.
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Funny to see that you find it hard to believe that there could actually be people that support capcom on this without an ulterior motive.
Hell, if I were a Qj employee, I would have upgraded this comment system and their general website a long time ago. This site is getting more sluggish with the years, or so it feels.
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Everyone knows you're mister common sense. Er, nonsense. Mainly because you've been spouting the same QJ employee bullshit for countless years now.
If you hate the site so much then why do you keep coming back?
Answer - because you're a fucking asshole whos life is so pathetic and empty you have nothing better to do then hate everything around you.
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And people that buy the movie ticket are ok with paying for a DVD/Bluray later with bonus content.
I'm from the old days of Atari 2600, i remember when i bought pacman! I got the whole game, all the ghosts included.
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And then came The Sims download add on packs, Little Big Planet outfits, & COD maps...etc.
I wonder how long until they make a game console with a place to stick quarters in. That woud be full circle. Oh wait, Microsoft gold- been close.
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Street Fighter II had 8 characters ( an extra 4 CPU only bosses )
Street Fighter IV has 19 characters
Tekken 5 has 33 characters
( courtesy of Wikipedia )" Why is it that pretty much all your examples come from the ps2/xbox era? times have moved on since then jimmy, upgrade your console!!!!!!!
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Street Fighter II - Snes
Tekken 3 - PSX
Tekken 5 - PS2
Street Fighter IV - PS3/Xbox360
So... I guess that you just misread my message?
Anyway,
I chose those games because they are highly valued fighters in their own fields. And even though they have "less" content than the new SFxTekken game, they have managed to garner a good reputation.
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BlazBlue and Burnout Paradise are two great, though hardly the only, examples.
They released free downloadable patches for the games that add the extra content for everyone, but only those that purchased the content can use it. Precisely so people so didn't purchase the content can still play with those that did.
Said content was made after the game was released, not finished along with the game, then held back, making you pay extra for it.
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You've now passed over into TROLL.
As has been explained to you many times by myself and others, any company can set their own prices.
Just because Company A does it one way doesn't mean Company B, C and D have to follow suite.
Some day you'll "get it".
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The person said that either the content be on the disk or you can't play with people that have the content. I proved them wrong, simple as that.
At this point you are not arguing against my points, but personally against me. THAT is trolling, not what I am doing.
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Wow. Just wow.
Grow the fuck up kid.
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Yeah, thats exactly what I was talking about early and how its the sigh of an incredibnly weak debater.
Its also trolling, I was giving the definition. Saying someone is wrong and giving an example why is not trolling, attacking someone purely because you don't like them and contributing nothing to the conversation however, is. So is calling people "kid" or "idiot" and whatnot by the way.
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Also, that is NOT the definition of trolling. He was 100% on topic about YOUR post. He did not post an inflammatory remark in an attempt to get a emotional response from you which "IS" the definition of trolling.
Don't believe me? By all means go read all 39 references from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
On top of that he also posted on topic to the article. But you must have missed that because you were too busy being a fucking troll.
What else you got? I can prove you wrong all day and all night.
But left me guess, everyone in the whole world is wrong and you're right? Like I said, grow the fuck up.
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"He did not post an inflammatory remark in an attempt to get a emotional response from you which "IS" the definition of trolling."
RAWR RAWR! YOU STUPID %$#^#@! YOU ARE IGNORANT! YOU KNOW NOTHING! NOTHING WILL CHANGE! RAWR RAWR RAWR RANT RAVE!
Yeah..... *I* am the one who is getting all emotional.
"I can prove you wrong all day and all night."
Precisely what I have been doing, it seems you are quite impervious to logic and reason whatsoever.
"But left me guess, everyone in the whole world is wrong and you're right?"
..... are you familiar with the term "The pot calling the kettle black"?
You go completely nuts attacking me and launching personal attacks like a whiney child, refuse to consider that you may be wrong, and then claim *I* am the child while swearing up a storm.
I am not perfect, I am not right 100% of the time, and neither are you (although you are coming close to being wrong 100% of the time), yet, you make it your goal in life to hunt down and troll anyone who DARES to disagree with you and claim you might be wrong. Then claim this is what *I* am doing.
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How does that make any sense?
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Did the box say it had 4 discs? NO! Because that would be false advertising. When you bought it you had NO CLUE there was a 4th disc in there.
No one knows what DLC is on the disc when you buy it. It is not advertised, it is NOT PART OF THE PURCHASE.
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No need for an analogy here. On disk DLC is bad. Why? because money that is used to make the game for release is being used instead on extra content that is separate.
If the game came out with 38 characters and no on disk DLC we would not be having this conversation.
If you make a fighter. It has 45 characters and you cut out 5 of them and leave them on disk you have wasted time. Time for a quicker release, Time that could have been spent fixing flaws. Less time patching. A more complete game. The goal being to create a complete game and then releasing it. SFxT has major issues across the board. The infinite combo BS. The fact sound effects fall apart online.
I will not even be checking to see if anyone replies to this. I only came to QJ at work cause it gets past the filter. I will stick to more... legitimate sources of news from now on.
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This trend will only end when we all show we don't want it. alternatively, just wait for whatever later edition of the same game they announce (GOTY/Complete/etc).
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