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Anonymous' Sony protest unsuccessful |
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Anonymous had planned to stage a huge protest action against Sony on April 16, but unfortunately things didn't really turn out that way. In light of Anonymous' statements about their planned sit-in protest, some Sony Centers had reportedly enlisted the help of local police for protection. Those cops ended up having a pretty cushy gig, as hardly any protesters showed up.
Updates posted on the protest's official Facebook page ("Operation Sony") indicate that although there were a few Sony stores that were shut down, the protest action could more rightly be considered a flop.
"I went to the Sony Outlet in San Diego in the San Ysidro mall," posted one protester. "No One was there. I didn't have materials to make signs. I didn't have the ink to print fliers. I don't own a mask. And NO ONE was there. Do you know what I did? at first I waited, then I stood outside the store and I talked to people. I stood there, alone, simply asking people to listen and telling them what was happening."
Another posted, "Well I went to Costa Mesa and no one there, went to LA ... no one there... so I stuck fliers places till I got kicked out haha mostly fail if ya ask me :(".
Anonymous isn't done yet, though. They're tagging the April 16 protest as a "moderate success". The protests will also continue, according to the page's creator, who posted a message saying, "There will be another protest date. This movement does not end here." You can learn more about the group's future plans here.
Via [Gamrfeed]
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protests are rarely successful anyway.
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WTF? What planet do they live on?
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So at the end of the day, you've got some dumb kids, trying to rally others into protesting and 95% of the population doesn't care - while the rest are either sore with the group or equally don't care.
Anonymous needs to grow up and stop their childish "rebellion" and stand up for something real. Totalitarian governments who murder it's citizens if they speak out, in places like Egypt, Seria etc or governments covering up genocide are real problems. Whining that you can't crack your PS3 for piracy or the fact that Linux was removed, isn't an important issue that people are going to rally in droves for.
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That said, I do think that they did screw up by DOS attacking PSN, if anything it probably made the hackers more hated.
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this is plain retarded
you guys seem to ignore the fact that geo hot DID screw up by releasing the keys that he did, he IS in the wrong, as much as we like to say that it's for home brew and what not, and it's our systems, the fact of the matter is that it leads to piracy even if you didn't intend for it to happen
and piracy will lead to lesser quality games, because we are slapping the faces of the hard working developers who poured their time and effort into making these games
if anon really want's to fight for the people, suit the fuck up and head south of the border and help with the drug trafficking problems we have, or with the kidnapping of women and young females that are used for human trafficking that happens almost everywhere in the world, find a way to help the poor, stop using your cars that use gas that is not only fucking up our planet, but eventually will lead to the destruction of our country,
fucking seriously, even if anon did succeed with sony, they would still have about another thousand companies to attack to even make a difference
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I'd like to see the court papers to prove that statement. Whether he did or didn't do anything wrong, the courts say he didn't.
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/sarc
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Attacking Sony :> More publicity :> More people able to see a real life example of civil liberties being stripped away slowly.
I do think that targeting Sony alone is slightly pathetic, because there are many other parties involved which is why Anonymous is a bit of a laughing stock, but to say that Sony aren't a valid target altogether? Hah!
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maybe your definition of "rights" is a little more open than mine - i don't see losing an operating system on an electronic device as losing my "rights". It's like saying a driver's license gives you the "right" to drive - it doesn't. you are granted the privelage to drive.
and guess what? if you agreed to that multipage Terms & Conditions when you signed up for PSN, then you gave away a whole shitload of these so-called "rights".
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I don't know how the "protest" could be called a failure; Seems, from the reports, Anon members were the only patrons those stores had all day. The fact that the only consumers near the stores were standing outside of them "spreading the word" doesn't seem like a total fail after all.
Sure, it wasn't a HUGE success, but given that there weren't any customers to run off, I'd say *something* is killing Sony's business.
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1. The time of this so called protest. What there a time? A designated time? Not just day but like at 12pm...6pm... etc.
2. The places and day. Some stores see more traffic than others and of course the days make that vary too.
3. More than most people have work/school (probably most of these people are kiddies in the first place >_>) We're not talking about the professional protesters who show up to G8 every year here...
4. As some have said MOST people don't give a hoot. They will buy what they are going to buy (Like me who will forever buy Sony's stuff as long as my wallet permits
Adding the fact they pissed off the people with that PSN shut down... ya I'ma call this fail
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SONY, just bring back OtherOS and your drama will be done.
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I'm not spinning anything. Karl B. has it hard for Sony, as evidenced by his posts. I was simply pointing it out.
As for why Anonymous is holding protests, it's not "just because of GeoHot" (obviously my critics can't read, either), but rather Sony's FAR OVER-REACH DURING LEGAL DISCOVERY.
I'll close with this paraphrase of a great quote:
First they came for my OtherOS and I said nothing because I don't use Linux.
Then they came for my ability to "only do everything" with my PS3 because I only use it for games.
Then they came for my Twitter and Youtube accounts and I said nothing because I don't use Twitter or Youtube.
Then they terminated my PSN accounts because my buddy used my email address to watch a video about a kid that hacked a gaming machine, and I said nothing because I couldn't get on PSN to message my friends.
DO YOU GET IT YET?
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And which posts would that be exactly?
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S'what I get for reading a Sony fanboi site, I guess ;)
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If they wanted to hurt Sony (and not the consumers, as their strategies seem to be oriented toward) then they need to focus on something that affects only Sony, i.e. their internal network infrastructure (-not- the PSN).
Sony is a business, what is the lifeline of every business? Let's think about it... wait for it... communications.
If they had half a brain used to actually plan strategies between the bunch, they'd focus on Sony's communication structure. E-mail, phones, whatever.
That would get some attention.
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a) Sony's consumer gaming infrastructure is a joke. The PSN was (mostly) down for 8 straight days. Users wouldn't have been affected had the PSN gaming servers not been on the same network as the PSN Store (the store services were the target, the gaming servers outage was an added bonus).
b) Sony (as expected) would come up with some BS lie ("sporadic maintenance"?? Unplanned or unscheduled, maybe, but totally random *maintenance*) Instead of being up front with its users. OtherOS was removed due to "security" just as PSN functionality was reduced due to "sporadic maintenance".
c) Sony would be unable to respond and return services to normal levels within a reasonable amount of time. A company with such resources should be able to load balance, re-route, setup a honeypot, or do deep packet inspection (all things ISP's have been doing since the 90's) to mitigate the damage. They did not. They did exactly as expected and contracted a 3rd party to manage *their* network. All the kings horses and all the kings men....
But make no mistake - The DDoS traffic worked as a mask while the internal networks were poked and supposedly infiltrated. It's a common tactic, and the next few weeks should clue us in as to how successful it was.
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To my critics -- You don't have to be a Sony *or* Anonymous fan to realize that Sony's actions during the discovery phase were a massive abuse of corporate power. Had it been any other company gaining IP addresses and account info you guys would have been up in arms. You keep going back to OtherOS and GeoHot's hacking, but none of you have any public criticism of Sony having the IP address and account ID of EVERY SINGLE user that viewed GeoHot's videos or followed or RT'd his Tweets. It's obvious that the more vocal of you guys have tunnel vision that cannot be strayed from your Sony TV.
It appears that the comment section is where logic and reason come to die. Bring on the flames.
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You sir are my mother f***ing HERO. Seriously people who gives a damn what an asshole corporation and a bunch of asshole dudes (might as well call them a corporation too) are up to. In the end it all comes to down to playing games. That's what this website was started for and that's what it stands for. News!
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I have 2(CFW/OFW)PS3's so I'm on both sides of the fence.
All I know is that I bought into the whole Kinect & Move accessories and all they do is collect dust!!
Especially the PS Move:(
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hacking your ps3 is still an "unauthorized change" that they don't want.
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You do realize that asking for those IP addresses was within their rights? If a terrorist made a video of his plan to bomb a building and posted it online wouldn't the government want to get the IP addresses of the people that were watching his video?
Sony asked for what was within their right and the government gave it to them, they could have said NO, but they supplied those IP's. So, either complain about the way the law is set up or stop acting like Sony stole your cookie.
P.S. Nobody has my IP cuz i dont give a shit about hacking my ps3...
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Or was that not really your point?
Glad to know that you don't care because you're not affected nor do you care to stray outside of the box. I think I mentioned something about that in a previous post. It's all fun and games until they come after *you*.
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You do realize that Lawyers asking another corporation for private user information is what happened, right?
See, here's part of the problem. Information is valuable, misinformation is not.
Your argument went out the window and you lost all credibility when you brought "terrorists" (GeoHot / Hackers are NOT terrorists in general) and "tha gubmant" (as I said, Lawyers != The Government) into your defense.
I can't believe I'm on my like 6th post trying to convince people to read and research. Jesus, it's like walking into the Heaven's Gate compound and trying to explain to them that Comets are not Space Ship transporters.
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DO YOU? HMMM? C R I M I N A L
i was comparing how its ok for one criminal activity but not for another (I Could've used the comparison: online child predator and his website, and it would be ok too).
Another thing, smart ass, is that LAWYERS study LAW hence they have the word LAW in their profession. Who makes the law? THE MOTHER FUCKING GOVERNMENT!
looks like you are the one inside the box buddy. And even sony had my IP which they wont because i dont partake in the destruction of the ps3, but lets say out of sheer interest for geohotz stupidity, i still wouldnt care because they used the addresses for statistical evidence. They didnt go through every single one and look at where those people lived. Which isnt hard to do without IPs either. If you want your IP protected from the law/government go to Switzeranld
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"...a Government for the people, by the people, and of the people..."
If being able to research to back my opinion is a qualification for being a smartass, then so be it. I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass, any day.
Just remember, if you don't fight for your rights (btw, laws do change. See 'iPhone jailbreaking', or 'hanging blacks after dark'), guys like me will fight for you. You may not realize it's a right you even care about until it's taken away.
Thanks for being a shining example of the current "I don't give a shit" gamer mentality. And people wonder why games and gamers aren't taken seriously?
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Actually, the stupid politicians who are paid thru corporate campaign donations make the laws based on whatever will get them more campaign money.
once again, other OS is a veeeeeery loose definition of a "right".
George Carlin said it best [from the perspective of the government]:
"YOU ARE FREE!!! (to do what we tell you)"
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and i'd buy a ps3 to play bluray movies. take that, xbox
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You're right. It most certainly didn't launch with the marketing tag line, "It only does everything". I'm sure Sony never actually intended that statement to carry any weight.
Again, the protests weren't about hacking. They were/are about SONY'S OVER-REACHING DURING LEGAL DISCOVERY. My PS3 is still stock, but because I was curious about what GeoHot was doing, Sony now has my name and IP address on file. I have no problem handing them my PSN account and IP when I sign in, but they obtained my account info from YouTube and Twitter without ever letting me know.
As for console hacking, people have been hacking them since the original Pong machines (adding color, changing paddle size, ball speed, etc). Hell, many hacks actually became games or appeared in game sequels (most recent: Scarlet from MK 2011).
You've all been advised as to what the protests are about, yet you all STILL THINK IT'S ABOUT GAMING AND HACKING. I'm willing to bet your school evaluations said something like, "does not pay attention, does not play well with others, does not follow directions".
If you think it's about OtherOS, Gaming, Hacking, or GeoHot himself, you're misinformed and have no basis for debate. Go back to playing games and let the rest of us stand up for your freedom to turn that machine into something cooler (Xbox 1 makes a GREAT emulator and Standard Def media center) once Sony's abandoned it for newer hardware.
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First, you know nothing of me. I'm not a member of Anonymous. I do, however, see (and understand) why they're doing what they're doing (you know, because I can read). All of your assumptions about me are wrong. Sorry that I *DO* give a rat's ass, and from what I can tell, that's my biggest offense. So far, I've tried to inform some of you about something you've proven to be uninformed about, and yet I've been attacked for it. It's pretty mature of you to condemn someone for fighting for something you could care less about. Howzabout we just agree that a portion of you care only about using your console for games and lack the foresight to understand its possible greater uses it could provide.
A couple of points:
How does my support for my right to mod my console in the future make me a dumbass? Your logic is akin to telling someone to be happy with the car they bought, and never to change the wheels, tires, or stereo, no matter how long they own it beyond paying off their loan.
As for those Terms of Service, look on the outside of your PS3 box (I still have mine from a few years ago). Please, if your box has the ToS or PSN EULA printed on the outside I'd love to know. The class action case going on over OtherOS has actually gained most of its ground on that very premise.
So what you should have closed with is this:
"If you can't use x-ray vision, read the ToS (that is only good for that time and date, as they are dynamically updated online), and agree to it, don't buy the fucking console, Superman."
Anyway, this is my last point on this thread. I'm tired of trying to support and educate only to get picked on like the smart kid in school. Remain ignorant and apathetic, but remember, Karma's a real bitch. One day you'll be passionate and find that your pleas fall on deaf ears as well.
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Karl B., while I may have been quick to judge, I have to give you props for being an objective observer. Though you had every right, you did not jump into the discussion to attack me. For that, I am humbled.
Thanks to all for the great debate. I wish you all the best.
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Someone mentioned "butthurt" earlier; all my comments were +1 and up 15mins ago, now they've all dropped to -1. Obviously someone got their feelings hurt. S'all the same. I hope you feel better about trying to make me look bad because we don't agree. When left with no logical defense, name calling and throwing things is always an acceptable response. Well played, kiddo. Well played.
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The terms of service are a part of common knowledge. It is not required to print on a box, in fact, it's printed out on manuals and books contained within the box! Guess you tossed those aside like everyone else usually does. Yes, the terms are mostly bullshit claims, but that's expected. Claiming you need X-Ray vision to see the terms is absolutely ridiculous dude, if everything was printed to satisfy your lack of investigating skills (looking at the fucking booklets, turning on the system and agreeing to the TaS, accepting new firmware update TaS, etc), then the box would be the size of a car and require a magnifying glass to be read.
And one more thing: as for the butthurt comment, that was me, and guess what? I didn't do shit to your comments. But since you claimed I did without any support to back it up, I went ahead and made your statement true. Does it get me anywhere? Nope. But enjoy your day good sir. Tell OP hi for me.
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As for not having a life, I own a very successful company, which affords me the time to mostly f'off all day and shake your cage. Maybe after you get outta school, you too can become successful and spend your time being an internet prick, just like me :)
How did the Anonymous attacks work out? Try signing on to the PSN right now and let me know how it goes. They've now taken Sony's crappy network infrastructure and disabled it for upwards of 10 days (total, not consecutive). Guess you get what you pay for. Or is PSN+ down as well? ;) Maybe if Sony would spend less money on lawyers suing their users they could have afforded to build a decent infrastructure. But yea, obviously Anonymous is at fault for that as well. (sarcasm, in case you need it pointed out)
I never accused you of anything. Maybe you feel like I did, but I couldn't recall who mentioned "butthurt", which is why I posted "...someone mentioned 'butthurt' earlier..." without attaching a name. I didn't care enough to look back. Sorry if you felt accused, but maybe it's that nagging guilt that made you feel that way. Be it as it may, there's no way my comments legitimately went from +1 to +3, only for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM to suddenly drop to -1 and worse. That, sir, was a lone shooter attempting to make his displeasure with me known. He succeeded in only proving himself to be a GIANT FUCKING BABYMAN that can't handle anyone criticizing his precious little black box. I could give a shit how my comments are ranked, honestly. it's the content and information that matter, not someone else's childish response to it.
So keep it up, Zen. You're a member here, I am not. As a result, you're entitled to belittle and degrade me for being a "noob" in your precious club. Maybe it's what you need to feel valuable, but it certainly doesn't do anything positive toward adding to your community. I came here to inform the misinformed, and was made to feel like I'd just pissed on your rug. That's gonna bring in some new users, right? (again, sarcasm. You should recognize it by now). However, I think I'll hang out here for a while...just for you.
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Do you even know what it is like to have real problems, or to actually have you rights abused? I mean really? You own a business and yet you have the priorities and passions of a fifteen year old!
You talk about rights. What about Sony's right? I hate Sony, thus I don't buy their products, but it's their product! Companies do it all the time but this time it's important to you because you really want to do stuff on your little game box. Jackass.
You're a GROWN MAN crying about not being able to use a fucking program on a video game system and acting as if this will one day lead to slave camps.
You don't know what human rights crimes are. You're just an ignorant, self centered,immatu re little man-child, suckling on Anon's teat.
You even have the audacity to believe a blogger can't simply delete your bullshit. You are deluded and naive.
Grow the fuck up.
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Just average south cal attention whores with a website and a few computer skills that most 12 year olds have these days.
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