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PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron Studios

Posted Aug 15, 2011 at 7:12AM EST by Mabie A.

Listed in: News Tags: Heavy Iron Studios, Sony
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While all other publishers are dishing out raves for the yet-to-be-released PlayStation Vita, one developing studio, Heavy Iron, isn't mincing words about what they really think about it.

 

In an interview with Gamesindustry, president Lyle Hall gave some choice words on Sony's latest handheld. 

 

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"If people aren't willing to pay US$ 249 for a Nintendo 3DS why would they pay US$ 299 for Vita?" he started. "People don't want to carry more than one thing in their pocket, that's why Android and iPhone have done so well, they are devices of choice, they offer multiple functions outside of gaming. People don't want it."

 

Matthew Seymour chimes in, and says, "With all due respects to Sony and Vita, it's a car wreck. And how about Xperia Play? I'd love to pull up the numbers on that."

 

They did have something good to say about it, although that really, in the general picture, does not really help in their final conclusion. 

 

"The technology is sweet," conceded Hall. "I'm a huge fan of mobile technology. But I just don't know there's a market out there any more for the hardware. I can't see why you would want to put a device out that only does games. The consumer has spoken. We wanted to see that world exist -- more players, more opportunities for us -- but at the same time people don't want that. Unless there's a super technology paradigm shift it's not going to shift back."

 

Forecasts for the future of the PlayStation Vita has been varied, with analysts believing in its good fortune, while critics saying it will have a hard time breaking into the market unless they lower the price.


Via [GamesIndustry]

 

 



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# RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosPS360 Owner1 2011-08-15 09:00
This guy's a moron and has no clue about the product itself or the software.

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# RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron Studioscaranquesse 2011-08-15 09:35
quite biased qouting the price of 299 for the psv while most people will be opting for the wifi only model which is 249

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+2 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosTeflon02 2011-08-15 09:36
dudes a idiot, vita starts at 249 same as 3ds. secondly no one will pay as high a price for a nintendo product because everyone knows sony will have way more power. psp started 299 and even tho ppl said it failed.. really it didnt 70million for its lifetime is amazing especially with it against the highest sellin portable gaming unit of all time

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+2 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron Studiosxnamkcor 2011-08-15 09:38
Where did he get the 300 USD price-point? And it only plays games?

The only thing worse than an uneducated journalist is a blog that should know better that reposts it as news.

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+2 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron Studiosfiredragon_jing 2011-08-15 10:02
"I can't see why you would want to put a device out that only does games. The consumer has spoken. We wanted to see that world exist -- more players, more opportunities for us -- but at the same time people don't want that."

I want that >:(

I have an EVO 3D, but even as powerful as it is I don't want to use it as my gaming device. It's my smartphone. Also I want real buttons! Sure I could have gotten the XPeria Play, but then it lacks in what I wanted from a smartphone. I rather have a really good smartphone and a really good gaming handheld then something that does both just ok.

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# Stupid but stillNOTORIOUS 2011-08-15 10:05
Dude has a point about having my pockets filled with technology. Sony could have pulled a big boner and make everybody bend over to it if they would have added phone capability to the PSV. I hope a hack or PSV Slim will add that though. Still saying it's a car wreck is just being stupid on purpose (aka a troll)

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+4 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosAndy Mitchell 2011-08-15 10:20
"I can't see why you would want to put a device out that only does games"

Let me think, because you maybe don't want to kill your mobile phones battery so you can actually use said phone to, I dunno, CALL PEOPLE?

And the Vita is just a tiny bit more powerful than any phone on the market (By tiny, I mean a LOT of course).

Also, what about when people go on holiday and can't take their PS3 with them? Vita is the next best thing. Literally.

Really wish people would keep retarded thoughts to themselves, like the analysts calling for a price cut on something that hasn't even been released yet.

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-6 # The guy is rightJelster 2011-08-15 10:42
Be realistic. When the Vita is finally out, there will be smartphones way more advanced then this thing.
Not only thta, there will be tablets out which are stronger then the smartphones at that moment.
The games are allrdy better now, so what do you think is gonna happen?
People will take an extra bag to carry around 3 gaming machines? I think not.

All next generation portable gaming devices will fail.

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# RE: The guy is rightAndy Mitchell 2011-08-15 11:00
I honestly can't see a quad core 2GHz in a mobile phone. In something that small it would cook your nuts off in seconds! And unless smartphones get real controls (like the xperia play), handheld dedicated consoles will always be better. I'd still much rather play my PSP than use a mobile phone for gaming and the PSP is much older than all the new phones.

While the graphics may not be up to par, mobile games lack the depth that dedicated machines have, and they always will.

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+2 # what?zzk2001 2011-08-15 11:21
What world do you live in that a smart phone will be better then the Vita any time soon?
case in point, Smart phones take WAY!!! longer to have there hardware updated and a new one come out.
Just take a look at the Iphone.

PSP 2004 = CPU 333mhz under clocked to 222hmz
Iphone 2007 = CPU 620mhz under clocked to 412mhz
And the fact is if you look at the Iphone 4 it's not even close to the Vita's power

Iphone 4 = CPU 1ghz under clocked to 800mhz
Vita = 4'cores running at 2ghz or better

And that's just the CPU's we are talking about, If you factor in Controls,GPU,St orage-space,battery life,price, etc etc
The Vita will win every time, Sure Smart phones are fine for "Talking" or web surfing Or even a small App type game, BUT playing a REAL game on a smart phone is just wrong and dumb.

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+2 # RE: what?xnamkcor 2011-08-15 12:32
"etc etc"

Double et cetera, for when one et cetera just isn't enough.

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# RE: The guy is rightDarron 2011-08-15 13:54
Along with the comments below me, even if mobile phones DO become more powerful...they won't be the devices with portable versions of Uncharted and Final Fantasy and Street Fighter and Disgaea
The end point is that I (along with most gamers) buy a device based on the games on them, not the power of the device itself.
And at the end of the day, those smartphones will NEVER have the games we play on them in the same way they'd be on dedicated gaming devices.
The markets the 3DS and Vita aim for are not the same market that smartphones aim for...and it's for that reason I'm sure the Vita will succeed anyway

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# Blinded?XM-01 2011-08-15 23:44
To be honest, are you going to see any mobile phones to be able to catch up to what vita could do?

Sure, games such as Infinity blade showcased what mobile phones could do, but understand that it took mobile phones almost 5 years to catch up to what the PSP or the NDS could do in terms of raw power.

And with the current rat race going on for raw, unprecedented processing power in these devices, mobile phones is severely out classed and out matched when pit against Vita in gaming capabilities.

Remember, casual games only makes up for a small percentage of revenue in games. What truly pays is to have hardcore gamers on board. What the smart-phones and tablets could do, is still lacking when paired up with specific game consoles, e.g PSP and NDS.

Also, Heavy Iron Studios might have churned out some games, but what such flawed statement, I doubt we'll see them progressing far in the future.

Real gamers would prefer real gaming machines compared to casual gaming machines such as smart phones and tablets.

Remember Tablets is primarily used as a form of digital organizer whilst smart phones is used for a plethora of reasons such as Maps, pocket organizers and making phone calls, primarily away from gaming.

And even with higher end phones coming, you could never beat dedicated gaming consoles when you could easily dedicate 90-95% of the total processing power to gaming.

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# GREAT!!Mason Chartier 2011-08-15 11:21
I Think The Vita Will Be A Huge Success,Despite All The Hatred Going Around About It. I Would Still Be Buying It If Sony Raised The Price To $500 U.S. :lol:

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# A phone is a phone is a phone.kchen 2011-08-15 11:58
Well, I'd still want a gaming console and a phone separately. And I'd definitely not mind having something additional to carry along with me whenever I head out. My PSP has served me well in terms of entertainment in the form of games since it's release and it's something I cannot get from my ipad/mobile phone. Couldn't agree more, there are plenty of fantastic games now for the mobile phones, but somewhat, (probably I'm old school) it feels like something is lacking..the feel of mashing physical buttons..the in-depth story (try finding a game similar to 3rd birthday or GoW on the smartphones now..)

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-2 # Your wrong!bsanehi 2011-08-15 12:23
Vita does not run at 2ghz or better... Even the developers said it.

Vita runs at most 800/1ghz mhz. 200/250 mhz a core.

So get your facts right.

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+1 # even if...zzk2001 2011-08-15 12:34
True they could under clock the cores to 1ghz but that's still 4 SPU's running at 1ghz and not just a single core at 1ghz

But i don't think a Game made for PS3 could run on a core 4' 800mhz, Just sounds un-realistic to me :D

And the facts of the Smart phones not having good controls still remain, Plus the lack of GPUs in Smart phones.

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# Are you a dev?Ihenas 2011-08-15 23:47
Are you a game developer?
Have you toyed with vita?
Were you even briefed on the actual product specs?

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# what!?CrisisCore-X- 2011-08-15 12:24
ok one i agree i would carry both, and yes this is a silly article! Honestly though phones will be better than the vita eventually and quite possibly soon. "smart phones take WAY!!! longer to have there hardware updated and a new one to come out" were do you get your information from? really that isnt true at all. In just one years time look at all that has been released.

i bought my HTC HD2 about a year ago (last december). and from then to now this is what has been released that is better.

Droid 3 - 1GHz Dual core processor
Motorola Atrix - 1GHz Dual core processor
HTC Sensation - 1GHz Dual Core Processor
EVO 3D - 1.2GHz Dual core processor

Tablets
HTC Flyer - 1.5 GHz Processor
HTC EVO View 4G - 1.5 GHz Processor
Motorola XOOM - 1GHz Dual core processor

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-confirms-2GHz-phone-for-later-this-year_id11878

Im not saying that their more powerful than the vita, but its going to get here a lot faster than anyone expected. All of these phones/tablets arrived in less than a year, and all of these have dual core processors. The iphone 4 isnt the only phone out their

All phones need are better GPU'S

storage space?
16GB + is pretty good for a phone and also for a hand held

just for the record i use my phone to play ps1, snes, nes, gba, and nintendo 64, i can also run dc, and nds (not great but it runs ;)

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# RE: what!?CrisisCore-X- 2011-08-15 12:26
Quoting CrisisCore-X-:
ok one i agree i would carry both, and yes this is a silly article! Honestly though phones will be better than the vita eventually and quite possibly soon. "smart phones take WAY!!! longer to have there hardware updated and a new one to come out" were do you get your information from? really that isnt true at all. In just one years time look at all that has been released.

i bought my HTC HD2 about a year ago (last december). and from then to now this is what has been released that is better.

Droid 3 - 1GHz Dual core processor
Motorola Atrix - 1GHz Dual core processor
HTC Sensation - 1GHz Dual Core Processor
EVO 3D - 1.2GHz Dual core processor

Tablets
HTC Flyer - 1.5 GHz Processor
HTC EVO View 4G - 1.5 GHz Processor
Motorola XOOM - 1GHz Dual core processor

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-confirms-2GHz-phone-for-later-this-year_id11878

Im not saying that their more powerful than the vita, but its going to get here a lot faster than anyone expected. All of these phones/tablets arrived in less than a year, and all of these have dual core processors. The iphone 4 isnt the only phone out their

All phones need are better GPU'S

storage space?
16GB + is pretty good for a phone and also for a hand held

just for the record i use my phone to play ps1, snes, nes, gba, and nintendo 64, i can also run dc, and nds (not great but it runs ;)


if you want to see were im getting the specs from here it is

www.gsmarena.com

and keep in mind i wasnt going to name every phone

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# truezzk2001 2011-08-15 12:43
Yeah that's true that Iphone is not the only one out there and it's really the worse one of all smart phones yet for some odd reasons more people buy into the Iphone more then any other, Sad really..

But i still don't think smart phones are going to be into the quad core CPU's any time soon, Maybe in the next 2-3 years

And the big problem i see in Smart phones is, "Real media" for the games, I am not a fan of Just download for the 60$ game you just got, I like something real in my hand that i know if my device/storage messes up i don't need to re-download the game just to play it.
And again the controls on a smart phone just can't hold water the a real games systems controls, Noway i am going to try and play a FPS or any games for that matter on a smart phone.
Heck it's touchy just trying to play NES games on a Iphone lol, Not for the lack of power but for the lack of controls.

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# RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosAkaiOtoko 2011-08-15 12:31
"I can't see why you would want to put a device out that only does games."

I thought it played music, videos, showed pictures, had internet, and played games.
This guy sounds like a smartphone fanboy.
The only ways portable gaming will die are:
1. Gaming industry collapses.
2. Smartphones become advanced to the point where your mind controls it.

I don't see either of these happening anytime soon.

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+1 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosBob102 2011-08-15 13:46
I agree with the article. I personally won't buy it cause it doesn't have a mobile phone capability. If it did, I'd sure as hell would buy one. Like said, I ain't dragging round a phone and a console and whatever else. I want it all in one.

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-1 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosN.R. 2011-08-15 13:58
My Iphone 3GS can barely run Angry Birds. It take about 7 seconds to load the menu for the game :-* and the battery lasts about 8 hours if I don't do anything with the phone. Realistically speaking, playing quality games on smartphones for more than an hour is impossible.
I have no faith in gaming on mobile phones. I haven't seen a single good game for the smartphones, unless you take into account PSP ports like FFTA. And no, Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja are not AAA games... Vita will sell if it has good games. Period.

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-1 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosChris 2011-08-15 14:55
I kind of get where he's coming from but he's an idiot. a year ago I use to carry around my cell phone, my ipod, a notepad and pen and sometimes a book if I was going to be waiting somewhere. Now all that is in my smartphone.
Sure I play games on my phone but a touchscreen phone with no buttons there is no way I would want that to be a dedicated gaming device. I have every intention of buying a Vita, in fact I already have it pre-ordered.

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# RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosMickle 2011-08-15 15:29
Yep i completely agree, this hi just typical Sony throwing every bit of technology at a console and hoping something sticks. The only thing that was a surprise was the rear touch pad but even though i'd love to buy this and have it succeed it really just won't, i mean like the Psp you'll probably get a few good games like GTA etc. but come on just be realistic, the Smartphone market is gonna annihilate this and just like the Psp within 2 years you'll be counting on your fingers how many good games are released every year.

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+1 # RE: RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosAndy Mitchell 2011-08-15 15:49
And yet somehow, the original PSP is selling almost as well as the PS3. Check elsewhere on this site for last month's Japanese sales and you'll see PSP is 2nd on hardware console sales. Not bad for an 'old' handheld huh.

There's just something about dedicated controls that means things like the iPhone won't ever truly replace a handheld system.

Think Kinect vs Move/WiiMote. Physical controls bring realism to games and most core gamers will want that.

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# RE: RE: RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosMickle 2011-08-15 16:19
Japan is just 1 country that has this freakish obsession with handhelds, but take Japan out of that equation and how well is the Psp doing in the rest of the world? I mean i live in UK and Japanese sales make fuck all difference to the embarrassing lack of Psp games we getting it's just like saying American Football is a successful sport when really hardly anyone but North America gives a crap about it, and i'm sure if we all learn to speak Japanese we could all enjoy our Psp a bit more but the simple fact is Psp is doing shit in almost every country.

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosAndy Mitchell 2011-08-15 16:47
True, the games on the PSP are kinda crap, but games on mobiles aren't anything to sing and dance about either. Hopefully Vita has good game support now that Sony say they've realised their mistakes.

I still would much prefer dedicated keys for gaming on the go. Don't get me wrong, games on mobiles are getting dam good now but they just don't feel the same.

And I love my PSP purely because it's hacked. That kinda makes up for the lack of good games!

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosMickle 2011-08-15 18:52
That's just it the phone games are undoubtedly worse than a proper handheld but sometimes simple practicality outweighs the benefits of quality, because phone's always with you and you can legally get all your games for free, but do you think Sony's ever gonna offer the free game model on Vita? No. And that is simply why the Vita just won't survive unless Sony makes drastic changes to how they run things.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosElozt 2011-08-16 00:12
Games seen on phones could easily be created with a team of 2-3, but on gaming consoles, that itself is rather hard to pull off.

And especially if its of AAA Quality.

Don't bring free games into concept here unless you clearly understood the idea of ingame purchases.

If a game is littered with ingame purchases and ads, I doubt anyone would want to keep the game for long either.

Also, PSP isn't only the best seller in Japan, but pretty much all that of Asia.

Remember, the biggest market is still based in Asia, and if you want to conquer the market, you better target specifically to that of the bigger market.

Sure Piracy might be a rampant, but when it comes to hardware, pirates could almost nothing about it.

Remember, some companies charge a higher price for their games for a reason, and that reason would usually be for the coverage of maintenance costs and the development costs.

Ever questioned why some parts of the apps that you used on the phone is littered with "advertisements"?

Also, have anyone ever questioned why would there be in-game purchases?

It's a way for the developers to earn a keep of their own whilst they continue with the development of the games they have.

Honestly, I would rather pay for a 'full' game, without any in-game purchases and then purchasing DLCs at a later stage rather than having to get a partial game for free, paying the heck out for what's supposed to be given to us in the first place and still end up paying for any future 'DLCs' or Addons!

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosMickle 2011-08-17 10:37
I have an Android phone so i'm very familiar with the free game model, but the fact is people expect things for free now and expect their phone to replace every other device they own even if they have to compromise quality, and really when you spending £30+ on games now i can guarantee most people rarely play them more than once, and a good AAA title might give you 20 hours, so that's what? £1.50 per hour where most Smartphone games cost less than 1 hours premium gaming giving you hundreds of games for the price of one. and yeah of course the games aren't as good but this is just the way the majority of the world is heading and handheld gaming will become a minority.

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-1 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron Studiosdimy931 2011-08-15 15:50
The guy apperantly hasn't seen a gamer till now :lol: To hear from a developing studio that people don't like game is ridiculous. I am one of those guys who want a 5dollar GSM that does is job + game console instead of some hilarious Iphone or android phone.
And why for god sake make similar posts for 3rd time.We understood-it's expensive ,it will be total failure and so on.Stop with this is getting stupid

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-1 # RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosWell_is_not_me 2011-08-15 23:30
U all arguing about CPU, SPU, GPU RAW power, while that doens't really matter for most consummers out there, what they care is to have a video-game and a phone, i have a phone, i use it to call ppl and ocasionally surf the web.
I have a PSP i use it to play games and ocasionally do tons of differents stuff, just cuz the PSP does it, as much as anyother Iphone, HTC, Motorolla or any other device... the only thing tha a PSP ins't capable of is to make real phone calls. So why would i buy PSVITA? Simple is a updated version of a thing that i love the PSP, just like i bought one Iphone 4g when i already had a Iphone 2g

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# RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron Studiosredcero 2011-08-16 01:10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Iron_Studios
nuff said

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# RE: RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosPS360 Owner1 2011-08-16 09:27
Yep, just googled for them, and what a complete bullshit they are.

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# RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosHarry Sachs 2011-08-16 15:49
Theres not a market for it are you kidding me?He thinks everybody is fine playing half-assed games with half-assed controls on half-assed gaming devices?

I want dual analogs,a 5in oled,4core processor and a sony backed and branded device.

I dont want to drain my phones battery playing games.I want a good reliable phone when i need it most.One thats not always in use and prone to being dropped,drowned ,thrown etc.

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# RE: PlayStation Vita is a 'car wreck' - Heavy Iron StudiosM3rror 2011-08-17 11:56
If it doesn't get hacked then there's really no point. To me, it's going to fail. It's going to sink in people's pockets like the charchoal design it's meant to be. No offense, but $ony fanboys will believe anything $ony says. Kinda sad how they're the ones that start the flame wars to. Anyways, I agree what with this company says. Go ahead fanboys call me an idiot, but I have a slightly different opinion. The PSP failed because of lack of games. Face it, there's about 7 or 8 of them that would be highly recommended and how long has the PSP been out? I'm not saying the DS was any better because both were even, but the DS sold more because it was cheaper. Same thing is just going to happen here as well, but for once the 3DS will have better games. Vita is already looking like the PSP at launch. Hell I didn't even buy my PSP, it was given to me for free, so chances of me buying a Vita is 0 because I would rather buy the better console $ony has out now than that piece of coal. Hardware like that means shit to me. It's games that matter and the Vita's line-up is not looking good. I can see history repeating itself here with the 3DS out selling the PSvita.

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# Re: ''its a car wreck''?Cheap Fanboy 2011-08-29 12:02
ohh well were gona buy it sometime anyways :) im gona wait till it gets hacked then FREEE GAMES :)))))))))))))) ))))

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