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PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?

Posted Jan 26, 2012 at 2:06PM EST by

Listed in: Xbox 360 Tags: online pass, xbox 720, xbox live
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Rumors surfaced yesterday that Microsoft's next-gen Xbox will be manufactured with a method for blocking gamers from playing used games. We’re not exactly sure what that means, or how it would be implemented, but the basic idea is that the Xbox 720, or Loop, or whatever, won't allow used games to be played on the system.

 

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News of this function fired off a massive Internet backlash, with countless commenters railing about how they’d never buy an Xbox 720 if they can’t play used games. And while I certainly agree that limiting your customers’ choices is a very dangerous way to move forward in business, I think that Microsoft may actually be doing the right thing here.


Put aside, for the moment, the arguments against publishers getting cash for used sales. We all know it doesn’t make sense for used games to be treated differently than used cars. The bottom line, however, is that publishers want a slice of that pie, and they’re going to do anything they can to get it. The current solution is the Online Pass, which most gamers would agree is a complete disaster.


Online Passes are engineered to ensure that publishers get a taste of any after-market sale of their games, but mostly serve as enormous headaches to the people that bought the game new. Anyone that had to suffer through Battlefield 3’s ridiculous registration process will know what I mean. And as we move forward, more and more publishers are going to slap Online Passes on their games.


The way I see it, we have two potential used game futures: In the first, every game we buy will have an Online Pass from whatever publisher owns the game, requiring an obnoxious registration code and all the trappings we’ve already encountered. In the second, used games are blocked at the console level, and you purchase your Online Pass directly through Xbox Live or PSN. Neither option is good, but one is clearly better than the other.


Having the console deal with used game access stops publishers from making convoluted Online Pass schemes, and ensures you have access to Xbox’s support network instead of some random person at whatever publisher happened to make your game. It’s not ideal, but it’s certainly better than what we have at the moment.


I don’t agree with the concept of preventing players from accessing used games, but it’s not like Online Passes are going to fade away. One way or another, we’re paying that money to the publisher – would you rather do it through Xbox Live or a dozen different registration websites?



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+3 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?tosh.0 2012-01-26 16:07
All the more reason not to buy another POS xbox. Having 3 of them go bad on me was reason enough.

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# RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?VT 2012-01-26 16:11
So what happens to video game rental stores? That's thousands of stores going out of business.

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-1 # RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Mr. F 2012-01-26 16:49
The problem with this argument is that publishers are going to do this regardless of what hardware manufacturers cook up.

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# RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?tosh.0 2012-01-26 21:26
The xbox isn't the only thing keeping them in business.

Nothing would happen to them.

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# ...SeRosiS 2012-01-26 23:18
Quoting VT:
That's thousands of stores going out of business.


Yes, because they don't sell legacy systems/games, peripherals, or new releases...

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# Old systemsNathJam 2012-01-27 14:04
Quoting SeRosiS:
Quoting VT:
That's thousands of stores going out of business.


Yes, because they don't sell legacy systems/games, peripherals, or new releases...


Yes but how long would you keep going to a video rental place that couldn't bring in the newest games and could only rent old games for old systems...

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# RE: Old systemstosh.0 2012-01-29 22:50
Seeing as how they would continue to sell used PS4, used WiiU and used 3DS games I would keep going back there forever.

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+2 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Andy Mitchell 2012-01-26 16:19
So what happens if you decide to pass a game on to a family member?

I know a friend who buys the new Fifa every year and gives the previous one to his son. Now what, he just throws the old one away? Talk about bad for the environment!

I don't think this will go ahead. It'll be just another rumour that stays a rumour (hopefully)

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+4 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?dbizal 2012-01-26 16:22
Quote:
Why Microsoft’s plan to block used games may not be such a bad idea.


Are you fucking retarded? lol.

It is a VERY bad idea. If this is put in to practice, expect hackers and loss of sales.

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+3 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?kylek 2012-01-26 16:22
hey dumb xbox owners, stop being idiots and stop paying for xboxlive. buy a ps3. with the money saved from cancelling live you can afford to buy your games new and avoid online pass. wierd how easy it is, but babies will still complain

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-3 # RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?AkaiOtoko 2012-01-26 16:44
PSN is terrible.

Canceling Live would only give enough money for one, yes ONE, game as yearly XBL Costs around 60$.

"In the second, used games are blocked at the console level, and you purchase your Online Pass directly through Xbox Live or PSN."

I already pay for XBL(basically online pass), so why should/would I pay for another online pass??

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# RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Mr. F 2012-01-26 17:05
I usually buy my XBL cards on Amazon; one year for about $40 if I remember right. Not too bad.

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?kylek 2012-01-27 03:51
wierd. guess how much i pay to play games online?

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?tosh.0 2012-01-27 12:59
Um, um, um......zero? Did I win!?!?! ;-)

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?kylek 2012-01-27 03:49
exactly, so stop paying a useless 60 a year, when you can play online games for free on psn, and if you think it sucks, your a retard and youve never used it because its the same as live. and the amount you save from purchasing 1 used game instead of new is NOT 60. you save like 10 bucks a game.

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-1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?AkaiOtoko 2012-01-27 15:54
Look, it seems you've misunderstood somehow.

1. I have a PS3 and 360.

2. I never said you save 60 from purchasing used games.

3. PSN in comparison to XBL, I believe is worse because of a lack of cross voice chat, lag, and a lack of many other features because of the PS3 itself.

4. The money you save from canceling XBL will only get you 1(3 at most/less likely though) recent, new game(s).

5. Depending on how new/old it is, the price you save on used games varies, from 59$ to as little as 2$.

Now, I find it very immature of you to use a word like "retard", and I think that you should slow down and think before posting such things.

I hope that you will understand what I have typed, and I hope that this message wasn't too long to read.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?kylek 2012-01-27 17:20
alright. then dont post "PSN is terrible" unless you want that reaction.
i get zero lag on psn and it has all the features live has, aside from chat, which most people dont care about. i dont want to talk to someone on my headset playing a different game than me anyway. i see how it could be useful, but does 60 bucks justify that? just use your cell phone.
bottom line is micro$oft makes you pay for the same service that SHOULD and IS free elsewhere, which leads me to believe that those who pay them needlessly, and then complain about not being able to afford new games or having to pay for "two online passes" are stupid.
Thanks

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?AkaiOtoko 2012-01-27 21:21
-_- You don't seem to understand.

I pay for XBL to play with friends who do not have PS3s.

Not only that, but stopping XBL and getting on PSN would mean I'd have to re-buy my games if I wanted to play multi-player.

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Battlefield 3
CoD: 4
Fable III
Resident Evil 5
Soul Calibur: IV
(All of my arcade games with online play)

Of course I wouldn't be able to play Halo: CEA/Reach online by switching.

Also the indie games I have wouldn't be there either...

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-2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?kylek 2012-01-28 16:27
good lord. how old are you. your the one who doesnt understand bud. im not talking to you im talking at you.i dont care about your personal life

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?AkaiOtoko 2012-01-28 20:33
Talking at me would imply that you don't expect a reply back, yet you've come back to see if there was a reply, this most likely meaning you had the intent to talk to, not at.

Also, your comments warranted replies from me involving "personal life" in order for a point to be made to you.

It's pointless to say any further so, I'll just take my leave from this conversation.

Good day, and I hope you'll enjoy a nice time playing on the PoorServersNetw ork.

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# RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?kylek 2012-01-27 03:50
when you buy a new game it comes with online pass

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+2 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Liam Riordan 2012-01-26 16:43
Killing the used game business model will only benefit game developers, while plunging thousands of retail staff into unemployment. Users can no longer make a saving, and we're forced to pay more money during tight times.

Thanks. Thanks for that.

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+1 # RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?HanktheRanger 2012-01-28 14:19
They only care about the money and not the consequences.

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+2 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?annonymous 2012-01-26 16:54
lets say I wanted to borrow a game from a friend, oh wait, I couldn't because it's "used"

useless article

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-6 # RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Mr. F 2012-01-26 17:06
You couldn't borrow it with an Online Pass, either.

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?blkthunda 2012-01-26 21:17
You can still borrow the game and play it.

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-2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Mr. F 2012-01-27 12:52
But not online, is the point. We'll have to see what form this takes.

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+1 # RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?tosh.0 2012-01-27 13:02
Well, if these game devs had any common sense (at all!) they would simply charge a $5 fee for an online key. Of course the game would originally come with an online key for free. Therefore all used sales would still be a benefit for people looking for a deal but will need to cough up another $5 if they want to go online.

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+1 # Why Microsoft’s plan to block used games may not be such a bad idea.AfroBallz 2012-01-26 17:12
Seriously I'm getting tired of these articles with your point of view. I'm catching on to the fact that you must be retarded or seriously handicapped...almost every opinion you have is complete bullshit or one sided. how could this even be remotely a good idea? what if I have more than one system and want to play it on the other system in my living room or bedroom, etc? and I don't even have a fucking xbox and this still pisses me off here's another good idea...go get a shot glass and fill it with bleach and do a few of those then give me another pointless opinion douchebag

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# RE: Why Microsoft’s plan to block used games may not be such a bad idea.Keith__ 2012-01-27 11:56
jesus dude, settle down.
it's called "point of view" to show people that there is more than one way to look at a story.

"Seriously I'm getting tired of these articles with your point of view."
- then don't read them.

"almost every opinion you have is complete bullshit or one sided."
- or, just not your opinion; therefore it must be wrong?

"how could this even be remotely a good idea?"
-once again, not your view, but from the company's view, it's a great idea because it means more $$ for them.

"what if I have more than one system and want to play it on the other system in my living room or bedroom, etc?"
-they probably didn't think of this, but if the online pass (or whatever it happens to be) is tied in to your xbox ID, then it should be allowable. I don't know, but just a guess there.

"go get a shot glass and fill it with bleach and do a few of those then give me another pointless opinion douchebag"

-i'd love to watch you show us how it's done

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+1 # Old schoolkyosourade 2012-01-26 17:19
See it's all well and good now when the game is released but what about in the future I have been collecting old video games for years nes snes etc. If the service is not around anymore because of age when this stuff is old and being collected you will only be able to play stuff by hacking it. Sure they wont see the money that far away but it keeps what they made alive also lets them know games they should rerelease

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+2 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?jeepman 2012-01-26 18:10
I wont even consider buying this system if these rumors are true!

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# RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?PS360 Owner1 2012-01-26 18:17
"PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?"

What the hell is up with this stupid ass PoV?!

First off this isn't even a FACT, it's a RUMOUR.

DO NOT BELIEVE THE FUCKING RUMOURS, CAUSE THEY AIN'T REAL!

You people who post the news should know it better.

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# RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Chris 2012-01-26 18:37
Well... maybe if you actually read the "stupid ass PoV" you would have noticed that the first word in it is "rumors" O_o

Not that I agree with it anyways. I could care less about online passes but completely blocking a person from playing a game that another person has owned (whether you bought it, traded it, borrowed it rented it ect.) is just stupid. I bought the game thus the disc is my property to do with what I wish.

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+1 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Its ME 2012-01-26 18:20
If MS does this. They will fail. So will Sony. Even with this cloud gaming crap and the rest of their "innovative" shit ideas. Why? because they want to CONTROL the consumer waaay too much. They don't make these ideas for your enjoyment. Consoles will die off. So will the internet when or if they crack down on piracy. They're going to kill themselves in the end.

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# RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Keith__ 2012-01-27 11:58
there is a LOT more to the internet than downloading the latest Katy Perry song for free. Plenty of us don't pirate anything on the internet.

and i don't need the lecture on how SOPA will make it so you can't post any content.

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-1 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Thebluebrawler 2012-01-26 18:22
all fine and dandy, but i wish more disk based consoles were region free, like the psp

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+1 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?truk 2012-01-26 18:45
If this is the alternative to online pass, I would gladly take the online pass. This is pretty genius though; MS would be getting the support of all the big name devs if not all devs because it would assure that they get paid. "I won't buy a Xbox then" you say? Yeah try saying that when every third party developer game is a exclusive for Xbox. Diabolic.

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+1 # I CAHA 2012-01-28 08:21
:-*

Well..If the fukas wanna pull this type of stunt to appease the cretinous publishers then I'm all for mod-chiping a 720 & pirating the fuk out of it...

My current xbox/360 library consists of NEW (GotY & Ultimate editions) but mostly USED titles and if these shitz wanna take away my choices...then I have no other choice than to fuk them (the right back)over too. And I will!!!!

And if I can't...then I for 1 have the willpower to not ever buy a game console ever again...STEAM games here I come!!!!!
Or even Handhelds? Until then I am very content with my very expansive library that I play over & over again. Lovely!!

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# RE: I CWillie Rogers Jr. 2012-02-02 00:45
dude i hate the idea that you pirate your stuff as extensive as you do. But I am in complete approval of what you plan on doing if they decide to take that step. Granted what your doing is wrong but what they may be considering doing is indeed diabolical.

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# Oh boyRei 2012-01-26 19:44
I do hope that this just turns out to be a false alarm and they eliminate the whole online pass thing but that seems unlikely.

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-2 # Big Game Companies finally acknowledge the inevitable piracyThe Real CaRnAg3 2012-01-26 20:12
This is as fair as it gets in my opinion. You all got to step back and think what this really means, why they would even consider blocking used game sales. We all know that over time, all consoles get hacked; they run unsigned code which leads to homebrew and eventually root access and finally the worst one of them all, ability to play backups. So in retrospect, since gaming companies always get the shorter end of the stick in the long run when everyone can get their games free the LEAST Microsoft can do is level the playing field with its hardware and limit the used game capabilities. This would ensure that no more copies of that game can be used in the future once it has been played with once by any of there consoles. I dont like the idea of not being able to play used games but i can see why they would. This doesnt effect anyone except the inevitable hacking scene that develops. There will have to be a way around that now if you want to hack your system and play backups. If people want to hack their systems im guessing microsoft wants to say fuck you and make it that much harder for them. But it always gets hacked. So this is fair.

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-1 # RE: Big Game Companies finally acknowledge the inevitable piracyIts ME 2012-01-26 22:40
You're not right in the head.

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+1 # RE: RE: Big Game Companies finally acknowledge the inevitable piracyKeith__ 2012-01-27 11:59
why, because he can understand the other side of the argument?

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-1 # RE: Big Game Companies finally acknowledge the inevitable piracycrimsonstealth 2012-01-26 23:00
Carnage, how long have you worked for Microsoft?

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# RE: Big Game Companies finally acknowledge the inevitable piracyAndy Mitchell 2012-01-27 07:48
How would this affect the hacking scene? If anything, it would benefit them as they would be able to bypass such a limit, whereas LEGITIMATE customers would get royally screwed over as always.

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-2 # RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?AfroBallz 2012-01-27 02:22
@The Real CaRnAg3, Fucking fan boy.....go suck more Microsoft cock

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+1 # console says no...PD333 2012-01-27 06:45
I will never support a system that doesn't allow me to play used games. Companies not supporting backwards compatibility IMO is a crime.

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# Please...Hack MeeeJeanious 2012-01-27 07:05
I don't know, but killing used games sounds to me like an invitation to C4EVA and all other hackers around the world saying: "Pleeeeeease hack me" :D

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# RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?vizard00 2012-01-27 13:18
i qaw it comming , tnx to XBL AND EA PASS idea , its stealing on light of the day

we have all rights to play our used games , " I will not pay for my given used game !!!"

Megauplaod then this , what happen on Amercia

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+1 # wtfwtf 2012-01-28 12:01
What if one day your console died, then what. What are you going to do with your games. Can't play cause the games are registered with that console. You tell me. Great idea. My asset.

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# RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?AfroBallz 2012-01-28 12:22
Keith I must say it's impressive how much you're able to type while sucking a fat cock. seriously you have something to say about what everyone else has to say but yet you can't come up with your own opinion. I gather you're also a fan boy....you just seem like a stupid motherfucker....the Microsoft jizz is just glowing off your chin faggot

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+1 # RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Keith__ 2012-01-29 14:45
so let's see - a guy writes an opinion piece on a rumor, taking the less-popular side of the argument. I understand his (and the company's) reasoning behind the idea, and i am "a fanboy who sucks cock".

when did i ever say i supported the idea? i think people should be able to buy and play used games. I just think that buying used games is not worth the time & money, since you are usually getting something that is beat up and is missing parts (case, manual, download codes, etc), all for r a slight discount to the cost of a new copy.
I also don't own an xbox. I don;t care for the controller, and i think that anything with a failure rate of over 50% should be avoided like the plague. and no, that doesn't make me a Sony "fanboy" either since i had to replace the laser drive myself on my unit (no way was sony getting $150+ to fix it).
When it comes down to it, the Xbox & PS3 are basically the same. yeah, one is slightly better than the other at certain things, but they're basically the same level of console. Oops, i guess i better put someone's cock back in my mouth because i just came up with an opinion.

As for the "microsoft jizz on my chin", maybe you should wipe the Gamestop jizz off your ass, since you like used games so much. Hey, that's kinda like a double entendre, since the used copies are a good way to fuck people over! we'll pay you $7 and sell it for $48, only $2 less than a new copy!

god i love the internet - such wonderful wisdom and kindness to all!

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# Re:AnhT 2012-01-28 19:05
How 2 Business 101: Limit Consumers.

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+1 # Pure scuttlebutt...mrcory 2012-01-29 20:26
Does no one remember that this was a supposed feature for the PS3 before it came out?

Also please stop the PSN v. XBL argument. They are two different beasts. They are both going to have different problems for different people, don't blame issues on the basic system when it is probably some other issue.

I love my PS3 and my brother loves his 360. Everyone has their own opinion. Voice it, don't get into a flame war, just admit they are both nice.

So far as online pass, it hasn't really bothered me,just spend the extra 5 bucks at gamestop and keep your gripes out of the argument.

Remember, we all love to play games and have fun. Right?

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# RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?AfroBallz 2012-01-29 20:46
lol it's not like you can buy used games off of Amazon or even Ebay right? I forgot that Gamestop is the only place to buy used games. thanks for reminding me.I guess by selling my games privately on the internet then I must be ripping myself off? I mean if I bought a 60 dollar game and after beating it I then decided to sell it for 40 bucks its win/win isn't it? somebody saves 20 bucks and I made back some of my loot....oh and thanks for admitting that you like sucking cock...it was kinda obvious but at least we all now have confirmation

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+1 # RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Keith__ 2012-02-01 20:16
sarcasm...a lost art.

amazon is better than gamestop, but only by a few bucks.

selling on ebay can get you more, but you end up getting fucked on all the fees, so it usually ends up being a wash.

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# AmazonWillie Rogers Jr. 2012-02-02 00:58
From what I hear,Amazon is much better than gamestop when it comes to that. You can make your own price, and when you trade it back to Amazon, they give you a more credit from them.

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# RE: AmazonKeith__ 2012-02-02 09:33
i've never been able to name a price on amazon on trade-ins - they have set prices they pay based on the quality of the game/package.

they do pay more on average, and you get amazon credit. the new games are cheaper too, so it is definitely the better way to go.

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# RE: RE: PoV: No Used Games on Xbox 720?Keith__ 2012-02-01 20:17
and i still fail to see how sucking dick matters, unless it's yours that continues to go dry.

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