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PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destruction

Posted Mar 2, 2012 at 12:18PM EST by

Listed in: Wii Tags: 3ds innovations, nintendo innovations, wii u innovation
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Nintendo is, by most accounts, one of the most innovative forces in the world of gaming. The company lays claim to breakthroughs like force-feedback technology, motion control, z-targeting and a whole host of other now-standard gaming mechanics. Unfortunately, Nintendo’s days of leading the pack are quickly coming to a close.

 

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Nintendo has always performed well in the games marketplace because of its exclusive titles and accessible technologies. However, games aren’t really the future of the games industry. In 2012 and beyond, it’s not games that sell devices, but their multimedia capabilities. One of the fastest-growing groups of console owners is made up of people who primarily use their devices to watch Netflix, listen to music or rent movies.


Nintendo has failed to keep pace with its competitors in the realm of multimedia. And it has also failed to keep pace when it comes to online gaming (friend codes, seriously?). If the Wii U can’t make some major improvements to the way Nintendo delivers multimedia content and online gameplay, it’s simply not going to be the console of choice.


Consumers always flock to the device that provides them the most value. A large number of PS3 sales can be chalked up to Blu-Ray support, just as a large number of Wii sales can be chalked up to the initial hype concerning motion control. In the next console generation, the device with the most utility wins.


If Nintendo fails to recognize this trend, it’s going to find itself toppled from the throne faster than it can say “3DS Lite.”



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+2 # RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionConfucius 2012-03-02 15:18
Strange that, Use my consoles to play games....... Must be doing something wrong.

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-1 # RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructionkylek 2012-03-02 15:55
death to the company for abandoning core gamers

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+1 # RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionAzariel_z 2012-03-03 08:27
Quoting kylek:
death to the company for abandoning core gamers

Core like , Metroid, Zelda,Super Mario fans? Or " 15 years old hardcore hack and slash " gamers? :-*

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# RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructionzanz 2012-03-04 06:53
when was the last good mario game like 95, then metroid has had super metroid and then the advance games (so they did not forget how to make them) and zelda has not been good since link to the past/links awakening (maybe seasons but it was not that great.) they abandoned the core a long time ago and if it was not for character fanboyism and the lack of 3rd party on nintendo systems they would have been dead a long time ago.

just look at the 3d mario junk against sonic 3d blast (the only good 3d sonic) or the original crash games, they are inferior in every way and still are. same with zelda, once it went 3d it changed from puzzles and exploring previously lost regions to a bad linear action rpg, and metroid prime :-x

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionConfucius 2012-03-05 05:32
So what your saying is games should be 2D to be classed as being for the core gamer? Think Nintendo would have died a long time ago if they had of used that logic. Mario Galaxy is a pure joy to play. The latest Zelda is something special. Metroid Prime is a great first person adventure. New Donkey Kong country is as good as Rares classic. I love Nintendo first party games and always will. Not a fanboy by any accounts. Think I spend 50% of the time on my Xbox 25% on PS3 and 25% on Wii. All systems have there plus points and there down sides. I just shudder at the idea of gaming without the big N. Be forced into playing clone FPS and gray "Adult" themed games. Give me a bright coloured games that are fun to play as well. No other company can come close. MS even tried with Rares poor Banjo game. Sony have Ratchet and clank and Jak and daxter that are fun... but dont even come close to the fat little plumber who sees bright coloured lands after eating a mushroom he found lying around. Im 31 yrs old. Had most consoles released. Can hand on heart say if Nintendo were to die (think Pokemon alone will make sure that never happens)It would effect me as a gamer.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructionzanz 2012-03-06 22:43
Im not saying that they all need to be in 2d, but when the move to 3d happened nintendo was one of the worst devs. they should have stayed in 2d for the core series or at least kept making them. As of now in 2d platformers/adventure nintendo still has the best games but as of now they have junk with beloved characters and motion controls.

on 2d though, the best games that they have made recently have been 2d even now with, smash bros, pokemon, and mario party.

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# POVTykam993 2012-03-02 16:16
When one of your main points is about people using consoles to stream netflix, you might want to consider that, "Nintendo may not be as aggressive in promoting its Netflix streaming capabilities as its competitors, but that hasn't prevented it from becoming the single most popular streaming device."

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/consoles-top-other-netflix-streaming-devices-182429133.html

Also there's nothing wrong with the 3DS' friendcode system. It's no different that a gamertag except you can change your name whenever you want for free and there's no "invite" option. The wii was overboard with friendcodes, but Nintendo has already said that the Wii U won't have them, opting for a system in which each user has their own account.
http://www.destructoid.com/e3-wii-u-scraps-friend-codes-for-username-friends-list-203359.phtml

It's almost like no research went into writing this. You practically ignored the last year of Nintendo's announcements regarding the Wii U and its ability for web browsing, e-reading, and downloading games and apps from an e-shop. The only thing we don't know is how well they'll fulfill these claims. They KNOW exactly what they have to do. The only doubt lies in their ability to do what needs to be done.

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# RE: POVhypercoyote360 2012-03-03 18:36
Quoting Tykam993:
It's almost like no research went into writing this.


(John Hammond voice) Welcome....to QJ.net

And yea, I agree. I think Nintendo is pretty much well-poised to ADVANCE in the next generation of consoles. I don't know why QJ wants to hate on them so much other than to generate traffic maybe? Matter of fact, I think I'm taking them off my RSS feed. I can't remember the last well-written article I've read here.

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# Wii U > all other consolesJokerwolf 2012-03-02 16:23
Now I love my Xbox, Don't even touch my PS3 it was more of an Impulse buy. Use my PC almost every day and I tell you just the fact that if my wife wants to watch TV when I am in the middle of a huge boss fight on my Wii U, I just hit a switch and all my game content is now on my Controller screen. Xbox doesn't have this, PS3 doesn't have this. (The vita has the capability but Sony is lazy as of late with things of this nature)

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# RE: Wii U > all other consolesAkaiOtoko 2012-03-03 01:34
I don't think they are lazy, they just want you to buy more games for the Vita, so they don't let you play all of the PS3's games on the Vita...

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# RE: RE: Wii U > all other consolesQj.fag 2012-03-06 19:58
You mean..... RemotePlay? The Vita will be able to play ANY PS3 game in the next PS3 update,You mean..... RemotePlay? The Vita will be able to play ANY PS3 game in the next PS3 update, which is coming very soon. which is coming very soon.

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# RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionDJ PON-3 2012-03-02 18:32
I still buy Nintendo products to play their games... although I don't get the full flesh of my gaming experience if I stick to one thing, so it's usually my 3rd wheel in gaming.

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-2 # RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionTerrapin 2012-03-02 20:16
Where are kids and casual gamers gonna go without Nintendo? Parents trust them because you leave kids alone with a Nintendo console and you almost guaranteed they won't find a violent game, and most casual gamers would probably rather not play than go on a Ps3 or 360, pm really if Sony or MS pulled out they can be replaced by anyone with enough money, but Nintendo is by far the most important games company there has ever been.

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# RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionAzariel_z 2012-03-03 08:42
Quoting Terrapin:
Where are kids and casual gamers gonna go without Nintendo? Parents trust them because you leave kids alone with a Nintendo console and you almost guaranteed they won't find a violent game, and most casual gamers would probably rather not play than go on a Ps3 or 360, pm really if Sony or MS pulled out they can be replaced by anyone with enough money, but Nintendo is by far the most important games company there has ever been.
totally, we ccould swap sony / ms or even Apple, difference would be minima, but no with Nintendo

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# well...4tehlulz 2012-03-02 20:45
Let's just hope that Nintendo knows exactly what their doing with the Wii U and 3DS. They're apparently receiving shitloads of pressure from their investors to make and publish games on the Facebook and Apple (Nooo) platforms or otherwise go bankrupt.

(Interview with Reggie regarding this.)
http://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2012/02/21/ts_nintendo_pokemon_iphone.cnnmoney/

I love Nintendo's games but you sort of can't make a game dedicated to both demographics of gamers (casual and Hardcore) and expect both sides to be satisfied.

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# RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructiontosh.0 2012-03-02 22:53
There's a major flaw in your logic flow.

1. The market is FLOODED with streaming media devices.

Therefore:

2. The Wii U doesn't need streaming multimedia.

Having a game console a couple years ago that streamed AND you were a game playing type person was great! Two in one. However, now your fraking TV can do it on it's own.

Thus:

3. Streaming media no longer has anything to do with game consoles SPECIFICALLY. Combining them is great (to a point) but no longer a req.

I could also call complete BS on your entire article for claiming that game consoles SHOULD contain streaming media. In which case, explain to me why if I own a MS, Sony and Nintendo device would I need THREE netflix machines? Plus add my TV. Plus add my AppleTV. Plus add my PC. Plus add my iPad.

What the fraking hell do I need 7 streaming media devices for? It's a total and complete waist of money.

Streaming media needs to be it's own single device. Keep it the fuck out of all my entertainment devices. If I want streaming media then I'm buy a box that does it and hook it up. What's next? My fridge? My microwave? My god damn toaster? The #1 reason amplifiers are so damn expensive these days is because of all the licensing wrapped around them to give people all these millions of features and options. Most of that crap we either never use or already have. Remove all that crap from the amplifier and you have a much cheaper option.

So if your entire argument is that Nintendo will go to shit because of no streaming or online content then not only are you talking out your ass because you have NO CLUE what they are going to come out with (read as, the damn console isn't even out yet) but you are also complete wrong about gaming devices needing to stream content. We already have it!

"Unfortunately, Nintendo’s days of leading the pack are quickly coming to a close."

Here, let me fix that for you:

Unfortunately, Nintendo’s days of leading the pack MIGHT BE quickly coming to a close.

Words....they mean stuff.

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# RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionKeith__ 2012-03-03 09:22
not everyone has all three consoles AND an ipad AND iTv and 14 other devices that stream content. Most people only have one console and would like to have the option to stream content from THAT one device. It also is a matter of convenience - if i want to watch something on Netflix, i can do it on the TV thru the PS3, or i can do it on my laptop.
If anything having all those devices is the waste of money.

"Streaming media needs to be it's own single device. Keep it the fuck out of all my entertainment devices."
so, something that provides entertainment shouldn't be in an entertainment device? yeah, tht makes sense.

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# RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructiontosh.0 2012-03-03 16:49
You completely missed the point.

Everyone having all devices wasn't even close to the point.

Streaming media is coming out on just about ALL devices these day. In fact, anyone buying a new TV has a very good chance of buying a TV with apps built into it.

Therefore claiming that the WiiU "NEEDS" streaming media or it will fail is utter crap.

In fact, most all smartphones can stream media therefor your point about not everyone having more then one is rather weak.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionKeith__ 2012-03-04 13:38
i never implied that the WiiU "needs" streaming - i said it would be more advantageous to have. it's like saying that i am going to buy a laptop without a network card - yeah, it's useful, but not as practical.

and not everyone wants to watch movies on a 3" screen. I was more referring to having more than one gaming console. You can also include Itv or Google tv or any of those other settop devices in that list, since most people don't have them.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructiontosh.0 2012-03-04 15:58
"i never implied that the WiiU "needs" streaming"

What the hell are you talking about? My original post was about the ARTICLE. I see you flat out missed that pretty important angle. Or did you not read the article at all?

"and not everyone wants to watch movies on a 3" screen"

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Most phones these days have full 720p HD output. Hell, my phone has 1080p. However, I feel the need to AGAIN mention that any specific piece of hardware IS NOT THE POINT!

If you are going to reply to a post, at least know what the heck you are reply to. Trying to have a conversation about a post that was about the article and leaving the whole aspect of the article out of it is just pointless.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionKeith__ 2012-03-04 20:18
i read the article. if mine eyes don't decieve me (unlike the title of said article), the author was implying that the lack of delivering multimedia content other than gaming would lead to Nintendo losing it's place as #1.
you then said that the Wii U doesn't/shouldn't need to stream content because we have other devices that do that. You then list several other consoles and devices that could provide the content.
I say that people may not have those devices, nor would they necessarily use specific devices to stream content; therefore having the ability on the Wii U is better than not having it. i never said it "needed" it, but it would be better off having it. Just like the author said "In the next console generation, the device with the most utility wins." You were the one who said "Streaming media needs to be it's own single device.", then said that most tvs have the ability so people could use it thru those means. Which is it?

another line of yours: " If I want streaming media then I'm buy a box that does it and hook it up. " that's exactly what people want to do - they also want that same device to usually be their game console.


And my comments were on your comments about the article, hence the reason why i posted it as a reply, just like you replied to my comments. That's why people chose to reply - to discuss a specific comment, or to get clarification. In this case, it's like trying to see through mud.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructiontosh.0 2012-03-05 10:47
Yes, your eyes deceive you:

"One of the fastest-growing groups of console owners is made up of people who primarily use their devices to watch Netflix, listen to music or rent movies."

Therefore I specifically addressed streaming.

"I say that people may not have those devices"

No shit. That's not the point.

1. Countless people already do.

2. Countless more people will soon enough.

3. Countless people do not even need or want it.

The problem you are having with this is that you seem to be unable to put all these different types of people into the conversation at once. You seem to find it convenient to pick and choose which of these people you want to use to make a specific point.

"therefore having the ability on the Wii U is better than not having it."

I already explained why that's false RIGHT NOW and in the future compared to the past. If you do not agree, then good for you. You are not going to change my mind.

"And my comments were on your comments about the article, "

No, they were not. Otherwise you would have know what the hell I was talking about in regards to streaming.

Go undeceive your eyes.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionKeith__ 2012-03-05 21:58
"And my comments were on your comments about the article, "

No, they were not. Otherwise you would have know what the hell I was talking about in regards to streaming.


wow - apparently i don;t even know what i was posting on, but i'm glad you do. Did you ever think your post might have been a little confusing? hence the reason why i made a comment? a comment that wasn't an absolute, but just a possibility for the situation you presented.

i';m so glad you set me straight though. Next time i'll just read your mind - it's guaranteed to be less confusing.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructiontosh.0 2012-03-06 09:59
"but i'm glad you do"

Of course I know what you were replying to. MY POST. MY WORDS.

There is nothing confusing about my post.

1. The market is FLOODED with streaming media devices.

Therefore:

2. The Wii U doesn't need streaming multimedia.

Keyword, NEED. If you can't understand that then....I don't know what to tell you. Go learn the difference between NEED and WANT.

Special Ed indeed!

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionKeith__ 2012-03-09 23:20
Don't worry, i forgive you for being wrong.

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructiontosh.0 2012-03-12 14:52
Well, did you learn what you needed to? THe difference between NEED and WANT?

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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionGreg Opie Hughes 2012-03-05 22:00
this is why comments on an article are like trying to teach a special ed class

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# RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionAkaiOtoko 2012-03-02 23:54
"However, games aren’t really the future of the games industry."

My IQ dropped about 10 by reading that sentence...

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# RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionNavani 2012-03-03 10:08
I actually liked this PoV article!

I loved my Wii, but I actually never played it much .. I found that I mainly played multiplayer games like Mario Party, SSBB, NSMBW, etc. when I had people over and that was it. There was a period of about a year and a half where I used it as an N64 emulator but then I just got busy.

I never use my 360 and wish I hadn't bought it.

My PS3 is my baby! 60GB launch, it does everything - streams movies from my computer to the television, upscales DVDs beautifully, plays blu-ray, goes online, and it has a lot of nice games on it, many of which are those "hidden gem" type ones.

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# RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionPS360 Owner1 2012-03-03 17:30
"Why the innovative games company is headed for failure." what the hell?

Nintendo isn't innovative, they just re-use and try to improve until something/someone releases a much better version.

Anyway, Nintendo fail? Mr. F, more like Mr. Failure you're a prick, you don't just hate Sony, you hate every game company, god damn you.

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# RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionAces In The Palm 2012-03-04 02:44
normally i dont like to bash the writers, but i cant help it, this one article is probably the dumbest, worst and uninformed article ever on qj.
nintendo arent going anywhere.
the wii is the best selling console
the DSi is best selling portable console.
3ds is starting to take off.
wii u coming out soon, will probably take off as well.
games sell games consoles.
the playstation sold fairly poorly at the beginning and could "do anything"
the xbox360 just had DVD and could not watch movies without a remote, yet sales eclipsed ps3.
this article is fail.

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# RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionPS360 Owner1 2012-03-04 14:19
Xbox 360 can't watch films without a remote? What the hell are you talking about?

360 doesn't need a remote, it can use the game controller, and for HD films/series, they can be downloaded or streamed.

The best console that provides a brilliant online gaming service is Xbox 360, best disc player is PS3 (Blu-ray), and Wii... Super Mario stuff.

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# RE: RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionAces In The Palm 2012-03-05 06:14
Quoting PS360 Owner1:
Xbox 360 can't watch films without a remote? What the hell are you talking about?

360 doesn't need a remote, it can use the game controller, and for HD films/series, they can be downloaded or streamed.

The best console that provides a brilliant online gaming service is Xbox 360, best disc player is PS3 (Blu-ray), and Wii... Super Mario stuff.


well original xbox was crippled without remote w\ever, still stands that this is a terrible article

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+1 # RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionTerrapin 2012-03-04 12:43
I don't think the writer even believes what he's saying because i remember last week people criticising him for constantly Sony bashing so he wrote a post saying he'll write articles about Nintendo & MS as well, so i think he's just making some tiny effort to look balanced.

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-2 # RE: RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending DestructionMr. F 2012-03-05 14:22
It's called "Devil's Advocate."

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+1 # RE: PoV: Nintendo’s Impending Destructionannonymous 2012-03-04 14:41
can we stop letting this idiot write articles? (unless he's paid to write bad articles, that's different)

Nintendo will never die as long as Pokemon, Mario, Zelda and other huge game names continue to become better and better.

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