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PoV: Is there a lack of innovation in the military squad shooter format nowadays?

Posted Jul 20, 2011 at 5:24AM EST by Ryan F.

Listed in: PSP, PS3 Tags: battlefield 3, call of duty, id Software, John Carmack, modern warfare 3

Has the genre already hit a bit of an innovation wall or is it just a case of too many titles trying to beat the Call of Duty series?

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Not entirely so, says id Software co-founder John Carmack. In an interview with IndustryGamers, Carmack defended the genre, saying “As long as people are buying it, it means they’re enjoying it.” He then lashed out against the “snooty attitude” of indie developers who criticise the lack of innovation of the military squad shooter format, saying “It’s almost as if it’s popular, it’s not good. And that’s just not true”.

“If they buy the next Call of Duty, it’s because they loved the last one and they want more of it,” adds Carmack. “So I am pretty down on people who take the sort of creative auteurs’ perspective. It’s like ‘Oh, we’re not being creative.’ But we’re creating value for people – that’s our job! It’s not to do something that nobody’s ever seen before. It’s to do something that people love so much they’re willing to give us money for.”

“So I do get pretty down on people that – you see some of the indie developers that really take a snooty attitude about this."

The problem with the genre nowadays is the fact the industry solely focusing all their attention on creating a COD beater rather than making a whole new experience that is unique to the user. Add to the fact the multiple add-ons that basically offer nothing new.

Now, how about you guys? Do you think the shooter genre has already hit a bit of an innovation wall? Share your thoughts below or continue the discussion at the forums.

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I don't play Call of Duty for only one reason, repetition.

So they've changed the environment and the guns are different, doesn't change the fact that it's the same engine with barely any improvements with a facial transplant.

On the surface they are all different but inside they are all the same, they could at least acknowledge that fact by not releasing new games but releasing expansion packs instead.

# RE: PoV: Is there a lack of innovation in the military squad shooter format nowadays? — Chris B 2011-07-20 10:35

Where could the innovation take place seeing as it is a first person shooter

The only thing that could change is the time and place. Not the story, they all have to follow the basic "go here, kill that"

There's no room for innovation when the concept of the game is to move and shoot.

# Well — Yeah... 2011-07-20 11:33

Every title DOES want to beat Call of Duty, that's the best selling franchise... Why wouldnt they want to try and out sell it? Now, if you ask if every title is trying to copy them, thats a different story. But yes of course every FPS is trying to beat (outsell) call of duty, just like evert RTS tries to beat starcraft, and every turn based RPG tries to beat final fantasy, and every platformer tries to beat mario... the list goes on.

# RE: PoV: Is there a lack of innovation in the military squad shooter format nowadays? — DesertStrike 2011-07-20 12:19

They just need to make a game all about sniping that will be addictive. Made by someone good preferably.

+2 # series? — some ahole 2011-07-20 12:35

more like 60 dollar map packs. same game for the past four titles. most cod fan can be spoon fed sh1t and they come back for more.

# i dont know — professorx 2011-07-20 13:01

i dont think there can really be much inovation in this genre like one comertial said "i am a enemy bla bla bla" but you can inovate through changing the enviorment and enviormental situational interactions

# RE: PoV: Is there a lack of innovation in the military squad shooter format nowadays? — AkaiOtoko 2011-07-20 14:35

I bought MW2 hoping it would be better than WaW and MW1, but it wasn't, it was worse, same with BO.
It's not a lack of innovation, it's just bad gameplay.
I can run behind something in Call of Duty and someone will shoot where I was and kill me! It even happens in matches of Combat Training! The Call of Duty games after MW1 and WaW are just broken, that is all.

# RE: RE: PoV: Is there a lack of innovation in the military squad shooter format nowadays? — Bleep 2011-07-20 18:12

WaW and MW1 are so far the best in the CoD series in my book. I love those games to death.

# RE: RE: RE: PoV: Is there a lack of innovation in the military squad shooter format nowadays? — AkaiOtoko 2011-07-20 23:45

Agreed.

# well — Fuzzy Palms 2011-07-20 15:17

I just like how CoD is selling so well now that EVERY shooter tries to be CoD in some way. I Liked Prey and Quake 4, and Painkiller a lot! But getting shooters like that now is impossible, even the shooters that try to get away from the CoD stuff end up like it in other ways, Like in DNF the 2 weapon limits and how Duke can only sprint for 5 seconds

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