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PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?

Posted Apr 12, 2011 at 9:46AM EST by Karl B.

Listed in: PSP, PS3, PS Vita Tags: Geohot, george hotz, Sony
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Sony and PS3 hacker George "Geohot" Hotz recently came to a settlement concerning the lawsuit that the former brought against the latter for cracking the PS3's security. The settlement involved Hotz not being able to do anything that Sony allows him to do to any Sony product, including of course the PS3. It also bars him from helping others crack the security on all present and future Sony products.

 

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter thinks that the settlement is a huge win for Sony. So, is it? Yes, of course it is.

 

Since the case was settled, it doesn't set a legal precedent for any future lawsuits of a similar nature. What it does do is put the fear of litigation into hackers who want to take a crack at Sony products. Sony is a big company, and it can easily bring a lot of resources to bear on whichever hacker poses a target and overwhelm them.

 

But what about Sony's image? There's a Sony boycott going around, and even Geohot has pledged his support to it. Will that really make Sony take notice and loosen its draconian product policies? I don't think so.

 

Does anybody still remember a little import shop called Lik Sang? Legal action from Sony forced it to shut down in October 2006 for selling Japanese PSPs to European gamers. It sounds totally contrary to what Sony wants to happen, which is sell more PSPs, and the fallout from the extensive coverage that the Lik Sang debacle got surely had a hand in the mere 9M+ sales that the PSP got that year. The PSP bounced back the next year wih 12M+ sales, however, and it continued into 2008.

 

My point is, people forget. A lot of the more casual gamers will likely have never heard of the Sony vs. Geohot case, not to mention the boycott. PS3 sales might take a bit of a dip in the near future, but with time they'll climb back up again.

 

Do you agree or disagree? What do you think this means for the common consumer? Sound off in the comments below or discuss this on the QJ.NET forums.



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+2 # RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?ColorblindMonk 2011-04-12 10:53
Luckily gamers don't seem to know what the term 'boycott' means, if you look back at Modern Warfare 2. It'll pass.

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# RE: RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?theemc 2011-04-12 11:24
your right and the post is right

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+3 # RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?Karl B. 2011-04-12 11:01
I'm not taking part in the boycott. I still want that NGP!

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-1 # ...TheRockness 2011-04-12 11:44
+1

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-1 # ...Afrit 2011-04-12 18:25
+2

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# RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?Phane 2011-04-12 11:13
I don't agree that this is a victory for Sony. They sued over 100 hackers in this suit and walked away with only a permanent injunction against ONE. That doesn't set an example strong enough to discourage others. It tells them that, if you get caught, worst case scenario you can just promise not to do it again and walk away. Sony wanted more than that.

There's also a confidential Memorandum of Understanding. If the stuff in that were in Sony's favor, it probably wouldn't be confidential.

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# RE: RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?truk 2011-04-12 12:44
We still don't know how those cases turned out.

I can see what your saying, but what you're missing is the fact sony was able seize his hdd and ip addresses of people who visited a website. And I'm sure that information is something a hacker would not want that in any one's hands especially the one person who is using that against you in court. What I'm saying is, if they did it this time, they could do it again.

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-1 # RE: RE: RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?AssassinXCV 2011-04-12 13:31
right, and micro$oft is going to sue everyone in china, Ukraine, and Russia for making trojan horses.

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# Hmm...Anon E. Mous 2011-04-12 11:50
Although I don't like it, I agree with your post. That's pretty much how it is.

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-2 # Hmm x2Hmm 2011-04-12 11:55
Hmm x3

I don't know about you guys, and i could care less if i am the only one boycotting Sony. I will do it, and will also influence everyone i know into not buying Sony products anymore.

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# RE: Hmm x2Musev 2011-04-13 07:09
grow up.

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# RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?PyroJing 2011-04-12 12:47
Boycotting isn't going to do anything, this settlement shouldn't have happened. Geohot just lost his fighting spirit it seems. This case should have been taken all the way and ended with console modding becoming legal just like cell phone modding. if it had to settle, then Geohot should have kept his promise to only do so if Sony was willing to bring back OtherOS. If I don't see that happen in the next month I would lose all remaining respect I had for Geohot.

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# PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?Wolfnuka 2011-04-12 13:56
i agree.....this should have ended with console modding becoming legal...but i guess geohot didn´t get that much support? i guess if other hackers supported him in a different way, trying to give the court enough arguments to make them understand that hacking or modding a console it doesn´t necessarily means that you are going to pirate games, but oh well..... instead we have attacks againts sony and that ends up with us being unable to join psn..great :-?

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+1 # ...TheRockness 2011-04-12 14:45
Why the hell do people think GeoHotz had a leg to stand on? If he did have a strong enough defense to win there is no way he'd settle. There's also no reason to drag it out when you are literally staring defeat in the face. Geo's lawyers would cost too much to continue to fight, and when you agree to settle, its the same as pleading guilty in a criminal case minus the criminal penalties.

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-1 # RE: RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?Musev 2011-04-13 07:11
Quoting PyroJing:
This case should have been taken all the way and ended with console modding becoming legal just like cell phone modding.


That wouldn't have happened. it is not the same thing.

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# RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?diddy81 2011-04-12 13:42
http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

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+1 # RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?Klang 2011-04-12 13:42
I'll bet it was sometthing like when Peter on family guy was ousted from his little country and tried to get some concessions from the US.
"Can we get other OS?"
"No"
"Well, how about an open development App store?"
"No"
"Can I keep this pen?"
"No."
"So I get screwed and get nothing for it?"
"Pretty much."

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-1 # RE: RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?Musev 2011-04-13 07:15
Some of you people are twisted. they took the other os away because of this shit. the ps3 was never meant to have stupid little programs developed for it.

you get what shouldve bought the thing for and because of people like geohotz they took a feature away and do nothing but give us security updates.

its geohotz and his type that fucked things up.

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+2 # RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?DeltaDAWG 2011-04-12 14:23
"Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?"

Yes, they did. They squashed him like a grape and proved to the world that even a "hacker" knows when to quit and give up. GH won nothing. GH gained nothing. GH GAVE UP whatever right he thought he had to expose security data.

He took a settlement and AGREED to Sony's demands.

As for the boycott, that's utterly ridiculous. It wont do anything to Sony plus it attacks the wrong department. FAIL!

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# RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?Viredae 2011-04-12 15:55
I doubt this could actually "out fear into hackers" as it was, since the only thing they need to do to avoid any of this is go more secretive when handling any of Sony's devices, all that'll happen is that Sony's cases will cease to be legit because people will leave even less traces.

it's not that hard to work around the rules and evidence, as this case proved, hell you don't even have to try that hard.

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# RE: RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?HangmanSwingset 2011-04-14 20:06
EXACTLY. If anything, this made it worse. It is easy to track people on the internet, that is true. But there are also so many ways to get around it... what's stopping anyone from using a proxy to upload something at starbucks or a public library on their own laptop? A foreign proxy isn't legally bound to oblige a court ruling to turn over IP addresses, so in that case Sony would be SOL.

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# RE: PoV: Did Sony really come out on top with the Geohot settlement?HangmanSwingset 2011-04-12 17:26
If by win they mean "Sorry you didn't do better, Jimmy... Here's a medal!" then yes, it was a HUGE win in their case.

Part of me thinks that it's a false media report to shut Anonymous up while the court battle still goes on.

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+1 # ...Mickle 2011-04-12 19:59
Well they stopped the most promenant hacker and all the other hackers are still scared about getting sued. I'd say that's a pretty clear victory for Sony. Because sometimes the prolonged psychological threat of violence can be much worse than actually getting it over with and hitting someone.

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# ::jack spicer 2011-04-12 20:24
soooo GH took a lot of donated money to try fight this thing convinced he could win then ended up settling......hmm

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+1 # sort ofTrue 2011-04-13 05:28
:-x

I've just spoken with Geo and he says he will continue hackin' but "ANONYMOUSLY" this time like a good Hacker should!

And anything by him that he wishes to release will be done thru anothers personna.

So....Cant wait firstly for the xperia PLAY to be JB'd so that I can play everything for FREE - LOL!
Who wants to pay for SHIT like 'Angry Turds' anyway.

The FUTURE looks good, the FUTURE looks orange!

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-2 # ???JAMESBUCANON 2011-04-13 12:37
WTH IS BOYYCOT :o

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