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PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3

Posted Aug 31, 2011 at 5:54PM EST by Karl B.

Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360, PC Gaming Tags: battlefield 3, DICE, Electronic Arts
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Battlefield 3 executive producer Patrick Bach doesn't seem to have the highest opinion when it comes to discussing the in-game morals of shooter fans. In his opinion, if you give a player a gun (in a game) and put a civilian in front of him, chances are he's gonna pull the trigger. After all, it's just a game. It's a naughty thing with no chances of ever being caught.

 

It's this opinion that led DICE to decide not to allow players to outright kill any civilians in Battlefield 3. That, and because FPS titles are just way to easy to slap a murder simulator label onto. If watchdog groups get wind of it, the developers would be the ones sitting in the hot seat, not any of the players involved.

 

"If you put the player in front of a choice where they can do good things or bad things, they will do bad things, go dark side - because people think it's cool to be naughty, they won't be caught," he explained in an interview with RockPaperShotgun.

 

"In a game where it's more authentic, when you have a gun in your hand and a child in front of you what would happen? Well the player would probably shoot that child. We would be the ones to be blamed. We have to build our experiences so we don't put the player in experiences where they can do bad things.

 

For what it's worth, I think he's right. Some people will probably decry the perceived lack of choice that DICE is giving players, but Battlefield 3 isn't an open, sandbox-style game where players are free to do whatever they want in whatever way they want to do it. It's a military-based shooter, and in a game like that you have a set objective that you must complete without stepping over some set boundaries. The actual military does have rules about shooting civilians, after all, so just think of it as an extra touch of realism.

 

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3joshbarty1 2011-08-31 18:59
Well war IS murder no way around that, but the less "murderous" path taken by DICE is welcome though.

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# RE: RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3Tom_lo3 2011-08-31 20:58
I still thought "No Russian" was a great level.

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3chuck.fx 2011-08-31 21:01
don't give us that "well it's military based" bullshit... everyone know that in military training there are civilian dummies they have to avoid shooting.
and there are civilians in every war. not including them in the game would make their "realistic" shooter less realistic

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3vizard00 2011-08-31 21:03
well a in game parameter for when killing a civilian should be better and more logic , yes people are divided into dark and white side and every one of us has it own funy dark side so why not enjoying it in a game .

bad choice from DICE or AUSTRALIAN and German market .

sorry for my eng

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3june 2011-08-31 21:15
I think this is a good decision. I'm not sure if they are going to take out Civs from the game or if you cant fire the gun at a Civ or whatever, but his point is, if you like killing civilians we dont want you playing our game. I doubt its going to be a deal breaker. Don't like it, then don't buy it, save yourself the $60.

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3AkaiOtoko 2011-09-01 00:14
Right...
*a few months later*
Awesome! *puts BF3 in tray*
*Accidentally shoots civilian while shooting enemy*
"Restart at checkpoint from 3 hours ago, civilian killing is against rules!"
T_T *snaps disc*

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3Chris 2011-09-01 01:46
I don't get why this is such a big deal. The point of the game isn't to shoot the civilians... the point of the game is to shoot the enemy soldiers. If you want to shoot civilians go play some GTA....

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3PS360 Owner1 2011-09-01 03:47
Well, you don't kill an innocent PERSON but you still murder a criminal, so in the end, someone dies.

Removing civilians from the game is just plain stupid, they are in every war, regardless how you look at it.

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# WTG EAKirk 2011-09-01 05:43
LEARN Activision..LEARN

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3Mickle 2011-09-01 09:30
There's what? ways they can do this, make civilians drop down wounded but cannot die, do it Driver style and they dodge the bullets or just make them into background scenery and nothing you do affects them, but come on, they selling a war game and this is just artistic cowardess and whatever ethics it is gonna spoil the game.

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3hmmmm 2011-09-01 15:55
there are some stupid people here man. WHO CARES IF THERE AREN'T CIVILIANS. all this crap about how its more realistic, whatever man. Of course civilians are involved in war, but massive amount would have become refugees and left, the others will be sitting in their houses hoping they don't get blown up. They aren't gonna just walk around the street and let themselves be shot.
Like they said, this game is not w murder simulation

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# Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3wolfnuka 2011-09-01 17:19
so is ok to shoot another humans only because they are carrying weapons but it´s WRONG to shoot a civilian? stupid.... you are killing humans....there´s no excuse, is a simple fact, doesn´t matter the circumstances, you are killing another human being.

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# RE: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3AkaiOtoko 2011-09-02 02:08
Correction.
You are killing game AIs and virtual players, not human beings.
I mean no one would've complained as much back in the 8-bit days, would they?

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# RE: PoV: Civilians are not fair game in Battlefield 3vizard00 2011-09-02 08:11
this throw-up all the in war atmosphere , as soldiers in iraq face the big deal of demasking terrorists between people , does who use civils as human shield ,

yes players must know that civils die on war whatever u do , and must understand its brutality .


in the end less 3d models on screen more game flow and less AI works

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