holy crap, that dude's my hero. If the Devs step in, that's lame. A virtual economic collapse would be interesting to study.

I would love to see the gamers make a real-life class action law suit against this guy. He made a contract which he then failed to fulfill. I wonder if he could actually end up in prison for fraud.

~Before you jump on that last sentence consider:

-On the Eve website it specifically states that individuals may peruse their grievances through out-of-game authorities.

-In any value trade there is either an implied, verbal or written contract.

-The legal question is simply whether "Cally" deliberately failed to fulfill his agreements.

WHO are we kidding?

someone is playing a game in a fantasy universe where you fly about and kill people.

He steals stuff, then people want to sue him in the real world!>?

What a joke.

ITS A GAME FOR F's SAKE. Why play a game if your going to be real.

When I play Grand Theft Auto I dont stop at lights and crossings when I am driving about! I run MOTHERS over!!

Thats what he did - he ran those cheesy mothers over.

Now they cry.

HA!

I have played MMORPGs and have spent hours/days/months/years on such and to have it all ruined by some dip sh%6 who thinks how funny it would be if he did this would make me very very upset. Why would I waste my time on a game when some blow hard dude comes in and ruins the fun of it. These games are for fun past time and see how high in the ranks you can get. Not to punch these people in the face and kick em when there down so yea I think that it is unnessisary for things like this to happen in games like these

I doubt it.. They willingly gave him their ISK. And until he sells it, he has made no real profit off of it other than ingame money.



Secondly, anyone who would go after him needs to get a life, and a brain. For being stupid enough to give isk to a PLAYER RUN corp.



@ dude who did this, rofl... thats the funniest thing i have heard all day lol..

that dentara rast guy scammed me outta nearly 20 billion isk that took me almost 2 years to build up. I hope he dies of testicular cancer -- if this ***** scammed you then spam his email address with hate mail dentara.rast@ntlworld.com

Thanks to him im quitting eve, the game that i love.

Lol, you got owned by your stupidity then.

harsh? yes.

part of the game? yes.

should there be repercussions in real world? nope.



the only problem comes if he starts trying to sell that in-game-cash for real money. and you can bet the ccp arnt just gonna sit and let him do that - he's most likely going to be the most watched player in the game in the coming months, as will anyone to whom he trades a significant portion of the money to.



not sure what he plans to gain from it really. i mean, he cant sell it. And theres absolutely nothing he can do with that much cash realistically.

Did he or didn't he make a contract with these gamers(clients of the so called bank) ?? If so then he's in direct violation of that contract and the Dev's should intervene like every real life lawsuit would take place. Sure they could have a hearing, but the man was stupid enough to confess this on video !!! Calling the others stupid if they signed a contract is one thing, but confessing to the WHOLE shabam afterwards (when there might be a contract in the dev's archives) WTF.



If there is a contract for the deal that went through with deposits from each corp/player then Dev's intervene.



If not then the players that deposited money into his "bank" - get ready to be called stupid.



my two cents

Contract? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

There's no contract. If there was a contract, it's not worth the paper it wasn't even written on.



Don't play MMOGs if you think its going to be all peace and puppies, stick to single player games.



Fools and their money.

Let's not forget that this so-called 'Bank' had no game mechanic supporting it's title. Nor did it have any game mechanic supporting the contracts.



Players basically mis-placed their trust in an unknown 3 month old alt character, who 'promised' them, to invest their money and give them a return.



So you have a bunch of players sending their game currency to essentially an unknown.



The main reason this particular pyramid scheme was so successful, it that Cally drew it out for a number of months. Previous schemes lasted only a week or two.

This was such an obvious scam. Many people posted on the forums warning people not to invest but they didn't listen.



There have been many other scams in EVE and the devs allow them all. Everyone knows this but they still keep falling for them... so they deserved to lose their money!



I just wish I was the one who did it. Maybe I'll start my own scam soon...

Only adults can actually file any suit against Cally. A minor cannot be bound by a contract, written or bound, without a parent's permission.

Just think of the possibilities here! The devs should definitely not step in, as far as I can tell this is exactly why people play MMOGs, in order to do things they can't do in real life.



Imagine if the devs, instead of intervening in a real-life kinda way, create new game modules to take advantage of the biggest heist in in-game history? Imagine the bounties! The new crime factions!



I'm siding with the '/kneel to these guys' crowd. Good on him.

There's a sucker born every minute. It's no surprise that this many came along over the course of four months.



Heh. I started playing EVE because I hoped it would have such things. The best thing about this is that the devs will likely do nothing, as they should. They built the game precisely so things like this can play out. EVE isn't like most games, where there's a defined structure and path each character follows to promote order. It's a massively open-ended (and therfore chaotic) story with the players given all the tools to write it. This is just another chapter in that story, and an interesting one, too. I hope that my pirate career has such memorable events.



Be careful who you trust. It's just as true in the game as it is in real life.

People say that this person should be sent to jail

I THINK HE DESERVES A METAL!



Anyone that actually sues this guy in real life, would first have to track him down, somehow. Furthermore: The people who got owned by this cat, it's a slap in your face. That's what you get for trusting some dude you've never met in real life with your E-Money.



It's your own fault.

It's a game.

You got owned.

Get over it.

Oh me, oh my.. I at least laughed my ass off. If someone is still wonderin how can this kind of thing happen, I've got three words for thee: World Com, Enron.



What with the Chinese doing paid money harvesting in games that aren't even supposed to have that kinda features, this was right around the corner.



Of course it sucks to spend your time and possibly money to build a some kind of operation, only to get ripped off, but this kinda thing happens in real life too: welcome to the corporate world.

We have to worry constantly about corruption and being scammed in the real world, by real people, real corporations, and even the government. I think it's too bad that people have to worry about it now when playing a game.

......most of the customers at his bank were from the US?

This issue can be defended well on both sides. However, I feel that there's a certain basic element of gaming that comes into play here. Now, I don't play the game, so I don't have an intimate knowledge of what what goes on. But I feel that since users pay to play this game, they should be entitiled to some sort of assurance that since they use the game, they will not be totally ripped off. Just like any other online service that one would pay for, users should feel like they are going to enjoy what they pay for without worrying about some egotistically depraved person destroying all that they've worked on. If this sort of thing were to happen in real life, the transgressor would be brought to justice. This is why I feel that devs should step in and prevent major scams like this from occurring.

So if this guy pulled a scam, why can't the people involved form a gang to hunt him down. It would seem that the game would have a new vector for them. Hunting and destroying this guy.



If people don't like anarchy in the game, then sooner or later some sort of "government" will appear. That will be when it gets interesting. Imagine large corporations fronting their candidate and promising to be "tough on crime." Then the online world will be eerily like the real world.

A couple other people already mentioned this briefly. But I am 100% serious that if anyone lost money in one of these scams they could very possible sue in REAL LIFE small claims court and win.



All you have to do is prove that ISK holds real "value" - this is easy since there are several DOZEN places online to purchase ISK.



The "Bank Heist" is blatently theft - and easily proveable. [see confession]



I'm in law school - this is no joke. It is quite possible to own property of value in the virtual world. I don't have links to caselaw to show it - but there have been instances in the past where "virtual possessions" were involved in REAL LIFE court.

Attorney Ganja, you fail to realize that it is in breach of CCP's rules to sell or buy ISK. ISK theoretically holds no monetary value unless you count "black market" type purchases to count as actual possible money. You may very well be a lawyer, but... nevermind... I don't even want to get into smacktalk, you just don't sound like a very good lawyer, Sir "Ganja."



-Memnoch67

I think that this can happen in virtual world as in real life. in real life we all know what happens when stuff like this occur. I can accept the fact, but i would abandon the game for good. So i guess its up the Devs to decide what to do, cause this actually can have an impact on ppl, who will abandon the game or just start over, i dont know...

EVE is not a casual gamer game. EVE is not a hand holding game. i love my world of warcraft, but I like my EVE too, and EVE is a totally different ballpark. part of the attraction is that it is a completely openended game. there really is no builtin game content. the entire thing is really built off of the players and what they have done. EVE is completely player driven. as such, you should expect scams and ripoffs and you have to take them in stride. the devs should not step in, in this case.



you want revenge? then go get him and get the $ back. its certainly possible.

Come on people. Are you serious?



All of you talking about class action suits and civil penaltys should have your heads examened. You expect a real life court to uphold, civil laws pertaining to theft inside of a GAME? This wasn't a regulated banking transaction, it's a damn game. What's next, should people start being tried for Murder that kill off your charachter?



Seriously, stop your damn whining.



This is a GAME. The people that pulled off this scam should be APPLAUDED for ingenuity.

I'd like to make a few points.



1) Return the money? These people are idiots for trusting this guy.

2) How is this different, beyond the method, of him stopping this morons in space and saying, "Give me your money or I blast you out of space and loot the wreck?" For that matter, he seems the type to pirate them, then burn the ship and shoot down the escape pod.

3) Speaking of piracyk, a lot of that ISK was probably taken by force in the first place.

4) The servers are not in the US. It's entirely possible that this 'Cally' isn't from the US. Even if the IRS wanted to waste time trying to tax it, they probably don't have jurisdiction, and I bet the civil courts don't either.

http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:bgYN8yiLK88J:currintrading.fortunecity.com/bank.html+currin+trading&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2





http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=358230



They were warned. It's human nature to be a retard though.

http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:bgYN8yiLK88J:currintrading.fortunecity.com/bank.html+currin+trading&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2





http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=358230



They were warned. It's human nature to be a retard though.

great scam, surpases all mine tottally. if CCP decides to refund this, im podding Tomb(a dev, the one whit HUGE ego) next time i see him. Cally just tought these players REALLY important lesson, if someone says "gimme your money, blaa blaa blaa", its 100% sure its going to hurt ya in the longrun. i cant personally imagine how ppl fall into this sort of scams. did they really think someone is willing to haul minerals or something to overweight the expenses of those intrests? I hope these same ppl come across me in 0.0 and when i yell in local "i have a mothership, pls exit your vessel and jump out whit a pod" they actually do it :) (sorry for my bad english, its not my main language)

two words

BOUNTY HUNTERS

put a contract on his vert arse & drag him in

I mean, crime is PART of the game. This is totally emergent gameplay. Can you imagine an RPG with a big-score heist mentality built in? Now, there may be ToS issues-- I believe Blizzard authorizes GM intervention for fraudulent trade, but crime of any sort isn't intended as a gameplay element there.



The real danger here is if the IRS gets involved. They could easily make a real hash of all sorts of online economies.

It's an ethical error to let fools keep their money.

what is ultimately sad about theserthings is that the masjority of players truly want their vision of what mmog should bo become reality.



the najority want simple risk-free worlds with a sugar coating.



We should not expect developers to intervene in virtual worlds jsut becasue a majority of players get annoyed becasue their plans have been twarted by someone elses actions - as logn as those actions are withing the actual ruules of the game.



As another poster has said - decvelopers should try to develop the means by which players like this can be bought to account - but this will be extremely difficult to do unles it is purely based on a random outcome not a volume based process (becasue 99% or more of a gaming community will deliver whatever they need to deveiver to hound these sorts of people out of the game).



Sometimes the bigger the scam - the harder it is for peopel to belive it is a scam - learn to play, learn about life - the crowd is not always the safest place to be



It is far too simplistic to use adolescent abuse and attempts to marginalise people who scam as sad. They play a role, and no they are not necessarily real world criminals bullys or anything else- they role play !

The developers of EVE have no business controlling this sort of issue. Part of the game is the player run community, and any and all actions the bankers took to gain that money was perpetrated through the rules of the game.



Just as you do not expect Parker Brothers to step into and fix an individual shady deal in a game of Monopoly, CCP should not offer any sort of support to those that made an alliance with the wrong people.

This is not the first time this has happened and, as long as there are idiots prepared to trust only the words of others, without game mechanics in place to protect contracts, it will not be the last either.



The scammed got everything they deserved.



And I strongly doubt the amount of ISK published here. I have seen that figure rise from 450 billion to the now indicated 700+ since this scam first surfaced. Urban mythology tends to exagerrate the facts.

wow.... amazing...