Its funny how much a virtual world can mirror the real one...I think the devs should wait to repair the damage until the players are allowed to make thier revenge on the culprits. But I commend the thiefs for their ingenuity, and the devs for making such an open ended 'game'.

THis makes me want to try playing these games. lol. But the dev's SHOULD NOT step in, the whole point of the game is that this is possible, anything is possible....so anything should be able to happen without people getting arrested.....ITS JUST A GAME!!!! If you don't want to lose time or money, don't invest a lot, it's a simple thing to understand.

WHO are we kidding?

someone is playing a game in a fantasy universe where you fly about and kill people.

He steals stuff, then people want to sue him in the real world!>?

What a joke.

ITS A GAME FOR F's SAKE. Why play a game if your going to be real.

When I play Grand Theft Auto I dont stop at lights and crossings when I am driving about! I run MOTHERS over!!

Thats what he did - he ran those cheesy mothers over.

Now they cry.

HA!

I have played MMORPGs and have spent hours/days/months/years on such and to have it all ruined by some dip sh%6 who thinks how funny it would be if he did this would make me very very upset. Why would I waste my time on a game when some blow hard dude comes in and ruins the fun of it. These games are for fun past time and see how high in the ranks you can get. Not to punch these people in the face and kick em when there down so yea I think that it is unnessisary for things like this to happen in games like these

I doubt it.. They willingly gave him their ISK. And until he sells it, he has made no real profit off of it other than ingame money.



Secondly, anyone who would go after him needs to get a life, and a brain. For being stupid enough to give isk to a PLAYER RUN corp.



@ dude who did this, rofl... thats the funniest thing i have heard all day lol..

that dentara rast guy scammed me outta nearly 20 billion isk that took me almost 2 years to build up. I hope he dies of testicular cancer -- if this ***** scammed you then spam his email address with hate mail dentara.rast@ntlworld.com

Thanks to him im quitting eve, the game that i love.

Lol, you got owned by your stupidity then.

harsh? yes.

part of the game? yes.

should there be repercussions in real world? nope.



the only problem comes if he starts trying to sell that in-game-cash for real money. and you can bet the ccp arnt just gonna sit and let him do that - he's most likely going to be the most watched player in the game in the coming months, as will anyone to whom he trades a significant portion of the money to.



not sure what he plans to gain from it really. i mean, he cant sell it. And theres absolutely nothing he can do with that much cash realistically.

Did he or didn't he make a contract with these gamers(clients of the so called bank) ?? If so then he's in direct violation of that contract and the Dev's should intervene like every real life lawsuit would take place. Sure they could have a hearing, but the man was stupid enough to confess this on video !!! Calling the others stupid if they signed a contract is one thing, but confessing to the WHOLE shabam afterwards (when there might be a contract in the dev's archives) WTF.



If there is a contract for the deal that went through with deposits from each corp/player then Dev's intervene.



If not then the players that deposited money into his "bank" - get ready to be called stupid.



my two cents

Contract? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

There's no contract. If there was a contract, it's not worth the paper it wasn't even written on.



Don't play MMOGs if you think its going to be all peace and puppies, stick to single player games.



Fools and their money.

Sad.... real sad...



You play MMO's to have fun, to escape reality sorta speak. Then you suddenly have this prick come in and ruin the experience all because he's lonely and hasn't had any..



Truly sad...



I hope the dev's DO intervene, you play online game's to have fun, not to be scammed by idiots. Scam's are just as much illegal in real life as they are in a game, don't use a game as an excuse just to scam someone.

Its a scam, people pay to play. They invest time and money. I think nomral laws should apply to this. What if RL crimenals start using this method to wash their dirty money???Just buy virtual money and sell it a months later...Its all possible..

If there were any contracts, they were not between players. THe contracts woudl have been in-game contracts, which means it was between characters.



he's effectively an actor playing a part that only effects the game. Which doesn't mean you have to like him, but it does mean that no contract is going to be binding from character to player.

If what the article said is true about the exchange rate 790 billion Isk = $170,000 then the best way to deal with him is to get the IRS involved. Now that is a slippery slope my friends but entirely plausable.

There's a sucker born every minute. It's no surprise that this many came along over the course of four months.



Heh. I started playing EVE because I hoped it would have such things. The best thing about this is that the devs will likely do nothing, as they should. They built the game precisely so things like this can play out. EVE isn't like most games, where there's a defined structure and path each character follows to promote order. It's a massively open-ended (and therfore chaotic) story with the players given all the tools to write it. This is just another chapter in that story, and an interesting one, too. I hope that my pirate career has such memorable events.



Be careful who you trust. It's just as true in the game as it is in real life.

People say that this person should be sent to jail

I THINK HE DESERVES A METAL!



Anyone that actually sues this guy in real life, would first have to track him down, somehow. Furthermore: The people who got owned by this cat, it's a slap in your face. That's what you get for trusting some dude you've never met in real life with your E-Money.



It's your own fault.

It's a game.

You got owned.

Get over it.

This is probably the best thing that I have witnessed in my gaming career.



Seriously.



Makes me want to do it, lol.

The game should have law enforcement mechanisms in place to handle this.



The guy confesses on video? Cool. The Bounty Hunters will love that. Careful, the next person you meet may not worry about the "Or Alive" part of that price on your head. Landing on any civilized world? Forget it; you'd be hauled in before you docked (don't they have All Point Bulletins in the future?)



And the justice system? We don't worry about no appeal process. The trial is quick and you get to play your character in a jail cell for the next year.

Indeed.Suing a person for doing something that he was allowed to do in EVE?



EVE was made to be an open ended game.People are constantly being scammed and attacked by pirates.It's a fact of the game.If you don't like it,stick to single player games.

Scams are all part of the game in Eve. The players that lost money really should have known better. What is funny is that it was another scammer that outed him. Google "Currin Trading." He lays out the whole ponzi scheme in detail.

1) All ingame money/characters/items belong to CCP. Unless this guy was somehow able to pull the ISK (EVE currency) out of the game world and into his pocket, there is no way for him to steal it.



2) 790 billion ISK = $170,000 is true, but if he were to sell the isk to online farming shops. To do so would mean his account would be banned by CCP. I'm pretty sure that if he were to try to do such a thing, CCP would delete the isk anyway, pissing off whoever he sold it too.



3) This is one of the things I love about EVE. CCP's general policy on scamming is...it's the player's responsibility not to do stupid things with their ingame currency. No hand holding, and as much freedom that can be provided to the players.



This is the kind of thing that makes EVE better than any other MMO. That and the beautiful 'splodies. ;)

I don't play EVE, nor any other MMO, but I think it would be cool to have something like that happen if only it was possible to, in some way, reclaim my money (or Isk).



But what do I know.

I think its cool that you can pull such things off, now I just hope that the "scammer" keeps it real and keeps playing, so that people will hunt the ***** out of him.



This could lead to some serious good roleplaying, and if devs. should interupt they should only help players get the bounty by whacking "cally".



Respect cally!

Will be when everyone that was scammed leaves the game, thus leaving CPC's ecomony in the same state.



Yes maybe the game supports such mischief, but doesnt mean people are going to put up with it. So funny that people are saying this is part of the game or that is cool, heh wait until it happens to you.

you're so full of crap it's a wonder you can breathe. any first year pre-law student could tell you that you are 100% wrong.

First off: they'd be laughed out of the court room if they tried to sue the guy who did this.



Second off: they should just go back into the records of who this dipstick traded with, return the alloted money, then cancel the creeps account, permanently.

You mentioned real-life criminals investing in such things in order to hide their money. I don't think this would be plausible unless they didn't mind making large losses due to inflation, and besides, the game's company could go bankrupt or something, and everything would lose its worth.



It is almost impossible for a game's economy to be perfect, therefore inflation will always occur, or - on the other hand - complete economic collapse; but that is not what the devs want, so it is balanced towards inflation. When there is more currency in the game, the value will also be lessened out of game, due to rules of supply and demand.

While such a scam is, in my opinion, immoral, I can't help but think of it as a good deal for all involved.



1) The scammer got a good bit of money (assuming he decides to sell the in-game currency.)



2) The people who were scammed learned a valuable life lesson - be aware that trusting other people (especially strangers) with your stuff is a risk, especially if there's no reason (besides possible morals) for them not to (i.e. no legal or in-game action can/will be taken against them.)



If you learn such a valuable life lesson from an MMO (a form of recreation) then you've come out ahead. Or at least that's how I see it. Not that I expect anyone who got scammed to agree with me - not for a few years, at least.

Hopefully this doesnt turn into dev team holding the players hands making sure they are safe.

This is a part of Eve.



For those claiming he should face out-of-game consquences... get over it. This game does not hold anyone's hand. You trust NO ONE in Eve... even corpmates you've known for months may be spies from other corporations out to bring you down. That's part of the game's appeal.... the intrigue.



He should no more be prosecuted for theft for this in-game scam than someone should be prosecuted for homicide for killing an in-game character.

Eve itself doesn't offer the means to actually go against such big time offenders. Bounties are useless if he simply changes accounts.



This is where Eve and real life differs. In RL we have police, courts and considerable punishments for criminals. It acts as a deterrent.



I really think that in such big cases Eve devs should intervene. They can track the money across accounts. Close those that benefitted from the money (through donations:)) and if T&C permit it, even pursue legal action against the most severe cases. After all, such criminal activities are hurting the game, and in doing so are hurting CCP. How many scammed accounts have been closed already? Just a few actions like this and you'll see scam artists running away.

The only thing i don't agree with is that he bought the Cally character. i can understand CCP not stepping in to do anything, but its not like in the real world where you're still physically the same person just with a different alias or something.



He bought another persons character after having already pissed off half the universe with his main.. and since the heist went down he's gone and bought another one. There's no way to track him via the game, so there's not even a chance for recourse in the game when it can be played like that. 'Concord' (ingame police) quickly blow people up who try to pirate in protected areas, but they aren't able to do anything at all to this guy when he steals a huge some of cash from the entire galaxy?



I'd have quit and given CCP the finger unless they refunded the money, or allowed me to track that guys different characters in the game so i could hire mercs to be on him 24x7.



Nobody deserves to be stolen from. Nobody deserves to be scammed. Sure there are stupid and foolish people, but thats like saying a women deserves to be raped for dressing a certain way.



Put your epeens away.

what is ultimately sad about theserthings is that the masjority of players truly want their vision of what mmog should bo become reality.



the najority want simple risk-free worlds with a sugar coating.



We should not expect developers to intervene in virtual worlds jsut becasue a majority of players get annoyed becasue their plans have been twarted by someone elses actions - as logn as those actions are withing the actual ruules of the game.



As another poster has said - decvelopers should try to develop the means by which players like this can be bought to account - but this will be extremely difficult to do unles it is purely based on a random outcome not a volume based process (becasue 99% or more of a gaming community will deliver whatever they need to deveiver to hound these sorts of people out of the game).



Sometimes the bigger the scam - the harder it is for peopel to belive it is a scam - learn to play, learn about life - the crowd is not always the safest place to be

what is ultimately sad about theserthings is that the masjority of players truly want their vision of what mmog should bo become reality.



the najority want simple risk-free worlds with a sugar coating.



We should not expect developers to intervene in virtual worlds jsut becasue a majority of players get annoyed becasue their plans have been twarted by someone elses actions - as logn as those actions are withing the actual ruules of the game.



As another poster has said - decvelopers should try to develop the means by which players like this can be bought to account - but this will be extremely difficult to do unles it is purely based on a random outcome not a volume based process (becasue 99% or more of a gaming community will deliver whatever they need to deveiver to hound these sorts of people out of the game).



Sometimes the bigger the scam - the harder it is for peopel to belive it is a scam - learn to play, learn about life - the crowd is not always the safest place to be



It is far too simplistic to use adolescent abuse and attempts to marginalise people who scam as sad. They play a role, and no they are not necessarily real world criminals bullys or anything else- they role play !

The developers of EVE have no business controlling this sort of issue. Part of the game is the player run community, and any and all actions the bankers took to gain that money was perpetrated through the rules of the game.



Just as you do not expect Parker Brothers to step into and fix an individual shady deal in a game of Monopoly, CCP should not offer any sort of support to those that made an alliance with the wrong people.

yea right like your dumb enough to gime your money.



oh wait eve is

Son, you got sat the ***** down. 20billion isk, ROFL - this guy done the ultimate pirate number on loads of carebears.



Kudos mofo.

No intervention!! Thats the fun of the game! I'm sure if more people knew that this could happen more would play! I just don't know what you would do with all of that besides sell in in real life. That would be awesome.

and the people in the game should stop crying its just a game. You can always build yourself back up (which is the funnest part in my opinion).

EVE is a complicated game. It's the closest game I'd ever seen to being able to clain "endless possibilities" and actually back it up. Oh yeah, ISK technically does have real world value. ISK can be used to purchase PLEX, which is basically time cards to keep playing the game, which a 30 day card costs 15 bucks in the real world. Even saying, I think it's stupid how people are considering lawsuits. It's a game. No matter what you say, it always boils down to it being a game. I don't care how you say it. It's a game with crime built in. Why keep the crime subverged in petty missions and pvp? It was bound to happen sooner or later, so get over it and stop putting your ISK in a player run bank you don't trust. OR put them in an npc bank.


Kudos to you, Cally. Let's have some fun with anarchy.

-Vincent

Well, after reading the billions of Comments on this site, it seems people also fail to realize that some people are more open and of course knowing that Eve is able to support a "open ended" theme in this game there are of course alot of consequences to every action.

Though i dont beleive any 1 person should be punished but there should be at least an implemented security base for things like this. Those who have played Eve would know the history of scams and infiltration and how 1 single person can destroy the work of so many individuals. Security by means of returning the larger portion of what was stolen. for example if 1 billion was stolen from a player and without means of getting it back, thats worth at least 2 60day GTCs which in turn is actual Money IRL. so at least have a implemented security system to where one can requested investigation to the DEVs and have at least 2/3 of the Money returned. At least that way the people get some kind of compensation back and learn that they need to learn how to handle their isk more carefully.

but this is just an idea. I wouldnt go as far as to laugh at the individual who lost the alloted sum though however funny it is . But at least this favors in ways to support the community who have lost to scams like these where trust is misplaced, and those who were scammed will at least learn the lessons, and continue Eve. Losing billions of isk can and will undoubtedly lose customers if the Devs look at this carefully.

But again, this is just an idea, what do i know about business...

haha
so many comments by people who don't play mmos.

each game have some rules.
and i seems the player have broke some of them.

but yes
there are many thousends of nerds with no real live playing that games, attacking other and flame at you if they loose.
its a pary of mmos
its a turnament.
everyone wants to be the best.
and some of them are using bad ways.

i played many online games.
if u play someting for one month or some weeks, u can become really angry if someone destroys everything you did.

and i'm sure:
most of you, who are saying, "hey. thats just a stupid game", are flipping out if someone closed your unsaved document, you worked an just hour on.

Yeah, sue him. But if he stole virtual money court hearing should be virtual too. Put his avatar in eve jail :))))) Such a morons who think ppl should get real life responsibility, for what is not real in any given time. Same like Germans, have real life sentence for having sex with kids looking avatar in Second Life. It's just so STUPID. If this going to be happened, I assume we should put all Counter Strike like gamers in jail for killing. It's just so ridiculously stupid. It's should be sentence in EULA: "No any activity in virtual life can lead to actions outside of it."

Just what the title says. I don't care who you are or what you've done with your time, this is a video game that you pay a monthly subscription fee to. We all know that there are scammers and such in games involving other players. It's a risk and bad things happen. What about the losses? Sucks to be you guys. I personally keep track of my own gear and only leave what I need to participate with my corp in anything owned by my corp. There would be no way for anyone to rob me this bad because quite frankly... I'm not dumb enough to trust video gamers to not turn on me at the drop of a hat.

make the difference between all the other games and EVE. Never change the ruthlessness and reality of this game. All you cry-fucks can go play Gaia Online, leave EVE alone.