Posted May 09, 2007 at 06:00PM by Glen D. Listed in: Wii, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 Tags: Microsoft, Sony, piracy, Asia
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pirated discs - Image 1 We got a tip from one of our friends in Southeast Asia that gave us an idea of how the darker side of the console war is being waged there. It currently looks to be a square-off between the Nintendo Wii and the Microsoft Xbox 360 in the pirate market.

According to our source, modded Xbox 360 consoles have been available in the Philippines for some six months now, which was followed by the Wii whose modded versions started shipping barely two months ago in the country. Amazingly, the Wii is slightly more expensive than Microsoft's game machine. This may be attributed to the short supply of the console in the global market.

Our source says that a basic modded Wii package that includes the console and five pirated games of the buyer's choice sells at an average price of about 20,000 pesos depending on the customer's bargaining skills. That's roughly US$ 400, which is significantly pricier than the un-modded ones that we have in the U.S.

If you're really into the machine, you can shell out 22,000 pesos, or about US$ 440 to get the fully loaded package. It includes all the accessories and 20 bootlegged games of your choice.

The Xbox 360 is a little closer in terms of its legitimate price point stacked up with the modded one. The basic package, which is very similar to what you get with the Core model here, sells for 19,000 pesos (US$ 402) and comes with just one controller and five pirated games. If you want the total package, you can get the one that sells for 23,000 pesos (US$ 486) where the dealer will gladly give you the unit, two controllers, headsets, 20 games of your choice, a 20GB hard drive, and a dandy cooling fan. The tipster said the pirates are working on a system that will allow owners of bootlegged games to access Xbox Live.

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More frighteningly, our tipster says some of the dealers of the pirated gear are speculating on establishing a private server that can host a "pirate's mini-Xbox Live environment." The idea may seem a bit ambitious, but similar things have happened before. Hobbyists have been able to establish private servers which host Asian MMORPGs so that users won't have to pay for prepaid subscriptions. Games for both the Xbox 360 and the Wii cost 280 pesos (US$ 5.92) a piece.


Only the Sony PlayStation 3 has so far withstood the pirate's dissecting knife. To date, there is still no modded PS3 anywhere in Asia which has been successfully marketed. The danger, however, has not passed as our informant asked a store owner if there's hope that the high-end console will be modded. Amazingly, the man said "Blu-ray is giving our suppliers trouble, so you might have to wait until next year."

Our asset tells us that next-gen consoles are pretty new in his country and prices are still "relatively high." He says everyone expects the listed prices to drop by some 30 to 40 percent after a year. The same goes for bootlegged games. Thanks to Merc for the info.

 

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   by Shatterdome - 2007-05-09
 » Hmmm

This may actually help MS overall....as they are no longer losing money on the 360.

So, "asians" may choose 360 over PS3 just for the fact that they can pirate their games....MS still wins as it gets higher sales numbers, and still makes SOME money....then they can hope that they still buy some XBLA games n such....


   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » ...

I agree. Most Asian countries (with the exception of Japan) are heavy in piracy. You can't force someone who doesn't want to purchase software to buy it. They just wont pay. They'll just stick to with their hacked PS2 or Xbox 1.

Downloadable content is a great source of revenue for publishers and when reasonable priced no one has a problem with buying it. This is still a very well protected area on all platforms.

Also, considering the 360 has the highest game and add-on attach rate of any console this stage in it's life cycle I don't think piracy is having a major impact on the platform.

The PS3 is lucky it hasn't been hacked yet. Sony is losing big money on each console and they need to keep the security as tight as possible until it's returning a profit on each unit like the Wii and 360 is.

   Re: Mister Common Sense - 2007-05-09
 » .

$ony is f*cked if their security would be cracked! At least MS makes a little on each console sold, but piracy still definately isn't helping them! It's just pissing off the developers and MS loses business. This might be an issue, but since the POS3 is doing so terribly it's not much of a threat.

   Re: Mister Common Sense - 2007-05-09
 » Yes, MS iz Kool

Yes, thank god MS and their HD-DVD add-on is doing so well these days. I have it all planned out... if you're interested in my strategy check out my earlier post near the bottom of the comments following this link, it's foolproof.. LOL!

http://ps3.qj.net/index.php?+pg+49+aid+91583

   Re: Vsions (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » Funny

Its the 360 stooges. You guys need to do something productive instead of bashing the ps3. If you dont like it fine, but people worked hard to create that and it is a good piece of hardware. The ps3 is hardly doing terribly. Ps2 started similarly and ended up crushing everything and continues to do so. Besides 360 had a weaker launch. Im not knocking the 360 or wii, but cut the ps3 and its owners some slack. We are all united in the fact that we are all gamers.

   Re: Anunakin (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » :P

MS wins, Asians and wins... but softhouses losts...

   Re: LOL (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » TRY this instead..

http://ps3.qj.net/index.php?+pg+49+aid+91583

   Re: Jin Wu - 2007-05-10
 » You folks are kinda scary with your logic

Microsoft LOSES money on hardware sales. Do you guys read at all? That's why they're going crazy trying to keep up with piracy. Their main source of income is licensing fees from games and Xbox Live. Take those away and they're doing this for free.

So it's not a boon to the 360 to be pirated, it's a boon when folks actually buy games and play on Live.

It's not brain surgery!

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   Re: captain (Unregistered) - 2007-05-10
 » well..

piracy actually improves the sales of consoles.. let's say piracy is available on the PS3, retailers will be able to have copies of every game on the bluray discs.. then we consumers will be tempted to buy a PS3, so we can play those cheap games.. PS3 and blu ray sales will go up once it happens.. and yup, sony will win... well.. i'm saying in the case of sony, if this happens to the 360 too, who knows man.. ppl will just buy the console that has the games that they want... and whoever wins, who cares.. coz we'll be playing the games and having fun.. haha.. well.. it's all IMO.. i could be wrong..

   Re: KUYA (Unregistered) - 2007-05-10
 » ATTENTION

this news is troubling!
yes modded xbox 360, wii and ps2 run rampant on philippines but they are NOT made in there, ALL UNITS COMES FROM CHINA, HONG KONG, some from taiwan + south korea. or if ever they are modded in the philippines the MODCHIPS are manufactured from the CHINA and such. even the technology to mod it comes from CHINA etc. btw the ps1 and ps2 succeded in asian because of modchip its the truth. GC and original XB could also have succeded but the PS2 has more Titles. yes the xbox 360 may rule philippine console sccene for now due to its rich library but if the ps3 becomes modded philippine people still love sony playstation brand.

   Re: jsnepo (Unregistered) - 2007-05-10
 » Proud to be...

I live in the Philippines and proud to be a filipino. ts true that piracy is rampant here. But not everyone supports piracy. I also buy games in Datablitz and they usually charge 500 pesos (10 US$) more than the original price of the games. We also have a lot of online communities that feature trading of used games so we usually get original games cheaper as well.

Here are my games by the way...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/jsnepo/Games
   by hahaha (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » uuuhhh

arent they called "backups"?

I go to asia all the time to buy "backups" of games. i totally support backup games!


   Re: someone (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » .

you're an idiot dude

you don't buy backups, you make them

   Re: D: (Unregistered) - 2007-05-11
 » ...

Clearly he was being sarcastic.
   by shatterdome your an idiot! (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » I would like to shatter your dome

they are loosing cash not gaining it you dumbass.. think about it, microsoft makes royalty funds off of the videgames being licensed for their console... once a person gets a modded 360 they have access to pirated games (burnt DVD 9 ISO's) meaning they need not buy a game that will benefit microsofts interest for the rest of the consoles life span. these games cost millions to make, if their easily found on the black market then microsoft will loose BIG TIME!!. The game publishers will not make games for a console if they know they will lose allot of cash due to pirating. It would be a financial suicide. XBLA may make some cash, yet its nothing in comparison to how much an exclusive like gears of war, or halo 3 will rake in for them. Not to mention that their are game developing companies with their eyes on videogame news for things like this. Finding out that you may potentially drive your company to bankruptcy by placing your product on a "pirate aware" console is a huge reason to think twice and instead work on the "longterm safe" competitor('s). the same holds true with the wii. If they can pirate full blown disk distrubuted games what makes you think small projects like the content found on the XBLA cant easily be emulated and disrubuted by other means (a DVD with 50 XBLA games? not so difficult to do...) It looks like David Jaffe was right when he said the Blueray makes the system cost heavy but sony knows why they do things...

   by STEVE (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » The problem is....

Since the majority of money is made by selling games , microsoft will only make a very small amount of cash with the console .

Forget about people buying the real games over there ... its pirates dreamland .

The guy at the philippines airport was interested by my baggage only because it was the first time that he had ever seen an original region 1 movie with only one movie per dvd ( They usually have 10 movies on a dvd...so the movies are really Really compressed with low quality )!


   Re: KUYA (Unregistered) - 2007-05-10
 » sorry for that

the one you met are part of those stupid corrupt goverment officials hens corrupt people. yes those multiple movies in 1 dvd are so crappy.
anyways, real official games still sell in the philippines but not too much and even if there are no modded consoles original games will still not sell due to its price of 10-15x the price of a burned copy. but there is 1 thing PROVEN in the philippines the millions of ps1 and ps2 modded consoles sold did hurt in any ways but instead helped in the success on those 2 sony consoles.

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   Re: D: (Unregistered) - 2007-05-11
 » Interesting

Some interesting comments here, really its down to a security, My harddrive crashes, I lose my saves, your harddrive crashes you lose your games
   by Quixand - 2007-05-09
 » That's what you get

for making a crappy slap-it-on-spare-parts of a console.

now owning a PS3 feels more elite than ever... they can break Blu Ray in the future but mass producing Blu Ray games (technically and economically) will be loads harder than dvds...


   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » ...

Why use Blu-Ray when you can load games from the hard drive? I'm use thats what hackers will do.

   Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-05-09
 » Devise

What about future games that will be between 25 + 50 gigabytes? You would need a terabyte hard drive to make it semi worth it.

   Re: Quixand - 2007-05-09
 » for once

mr. devise i agree with you there...

but piracy does more harm cause of the mass market and how it is distributed... the mass market buys disc (how do i know?) cause i grew up in the philippines... spent 3 years in indonesia.. and 6 months in china...

hackers can tinker all they want with the hardware but unless they can find a way to massively distribute it to the common public in a mode that they understand then it's not as much of a threat that what piracy could really be...

and as for agreeing that piracy is actually good for the XBox??? you guys are getting more stupid than ever.

   Re: Quixand - 2007-05-09
 » good argument

that "shatterdome your an idiot!" guy up there made a good point...

aside from the obvious problems piracy causes he pointed this out mr. devise... and i quote:

"these games cost millions to make, if their easily found on the black market then microsoft will loose BIG TIME!!. The game publishers will not make games for a console if they know they will lose allot of cash due to pirating. It would be a financial suicide. XBLA may make some cash, yet its nothing in comparison to how much an exclusive like gears of war, or halo 3 will rake in for them. Not to mention that their are game developing companies with their eyes on videogame news for things like this. Finding out that you may potentially drive your company to bankruptcy by placing your product on a "pirate aware" console is a huge reason to think twice and instead work on the "longterm safe" competitor('s). the same holds true with the wii."


   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » ...

It's nothing new. You can strip out audio and foreign language files and compression and so forth. The PSP has games up to 1.6GB (maybe bigger?) and only recently have 4GB and 8GB drives become affordable. Yet it's piracy rate is extremely high.

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » ...

I meant to say 4GB and 8GB memory cards instead of drives.

Plus there is hardly any games going over 10GB on the PS3 currently. The average game size is between 6gb to 12GB, and that will continue for atleast the next year. Compression of those 1080P FMV will reduce a lot of size on future bloated releases.

   Re: Quixand - 2007-05-09
 » mr. devise as i said

they've got to find a find to get it to the mass market... so they've got to break Blu Ray first to mass produce (which is economically and technically harder the dvd)... that's were piracy hurts you... with distribution.

that's how piracy works... thru this that's how suppliers make money... if not then it won't be a profitable venture for pirates...

piracy hurts an industry not by occassional people making illegal downloads here and there... occassionally doing their own burning here and there...

piracy kills you thru the suppliers who mass produce and takes it to their distibution channels... that is their business... that's where they make millions... and that's what takes millions away from legit copanies...

so as i said... break Blu Ray first and they must find a way to make it worth their while afterwards... to make it profitable enough.

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » ...

You would be hard pressed to find someone selling pirated copies in Western countries. The jail term in the US is something crazy like up to 10 years jail.

I think the Xbox 1 got used for pirating so much more. Mainly because you can load any game disc onto the hard drive and take it back to the store you bought it for to get a full refund. And anyone can do that! I was just saying that don't think that Blu-Ray is going to stop pirating. There is already a lot of sites sharing PS3 dumps even though a hack hasn't been released yet. 90% of dumps are smaller than a dual layer DVD anyway.

It took quite a long time before we saw a hack on the 360 and I expect a PS3 hack will pop up within the next 6 months.

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   Re: Quixand - 2007-05-09
 » Mr Devise (again)

1. This article has got Asia written all over it.

2. Blu Ray will not stop piracy but that's what pirates needs to tap to make profit on the PS3 and not the hard drive argument you mentioned.

3. I agree with you on your 6 month projection.

   Re: Quixand - 2007-05-09
 » although

i do wish they got the same laws as let's say America or Australia when it comes to piracy and i do wish they could implement it properly but that's just false hope... 10 years you say??? serves them right.

and for those gamers who keeps on bragging "oh i got this game for a dollar.. or i bought like 30 games and only spent this and that..." guys, it's nothing to be proud of so hold on to your thoughts ok??? you take pride in claiming that you guys are "gamers" when in fact you are helping poison the industry.

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-10
 » ...

If you exclude Japan from the Asian market there is hardly anything left. If the 360 wasn't hacked, do you think they would be selling many consoles and games in the Philippines? Hardly.

As I said before 90% of PS3 games are within dual layer dvd size. Blu-Ray might not be required for most games. I seem to remember with the PS2 CD sized games were the first to get hacked.
   by martin (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » yeah

i got one of does i got the xbox 360 and i put pirate games in it

   by dutchMasta - 2007-05-09
 » Piracy

I don't know how they pirate stuff (like if they factory produce it or just get multiple burners), but with BluRay, it's going to be expensive and it's an unfamiliar format. So I guess that's a smart move on Sony's part.

They can probably figure out how to hack the PS3 in no time to get PS1 and PS2 backups, but there's no real point in that.

Hong Kong PS3 pirates are going to be busy for a while.


   Re: D: (Unregistered) - 2007-05-11
 » Piracy

If games are made on dual layer blu-ray discs I'm going to kill someone. In any case I'm going to call sony stupid here because you said they were smart.(I'm neutral untill you attack?) They're idiots For putting 256MB OF F$@*#($@# RAM IN THERE AND 3.2GHz CELL PROCESSOR WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!... ok -end of rampage. As for piracy, 16GB for Resistance fall of Man, go for it.
   by jay shi (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » games in asoa

i live in asia ....... its very difficult to find originals for sale

and the backups or copies are virtualy identical to the originals... i have a collection on 260 ps2 games all with box and cd/dvd art to match the original minus the manuals...

i have a 360 system as well and more then 30 games now..

i never pay more then 3 dollors a game unless its rare and hard to find like zone of enders 2 or ninja gaiden black.... but i also own a fair amount of originals too but only games i trully like .... ryu gagatoku 1 and 2 from sega and blue dragon jp...


in asia the ps3 is just too much money and there are no good games available at all.... my friend sold me his 360 to get a ps3 and he is not happy....

as there are a lot of problems with the xbox 360 but in asia you can get the fans modified which increas the noise but your system will never over heat and you will have little to no trouble with the red lights of death... but in the case of the ps3 there is no support in asia and when it breaks you are screwed .... no money back no exchange..... i know i was one of them.... so sony can kiss my !*@........

   by ... (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » ...

the reason the PS3 hasnt been hacked yet is because, Like the PSP, its gonna be Hacked software and Firmware that will allow u to play games off of the Hard drive, not burned Games.

the Xbox 360 and the Wii's mods are to trick the dvd drive into thinking that its playing a Legit Disc. and since games fit on regular dvds that is fine

the different approach to the PS3 is why its taking so long... dont worry, 6 months untill ps3 will hacked too... most likely less.


   Re: PS3 Fantard (Unregistered) - 2007-05-10
 » yep

"Backups" are played the same way on the PSP. Nobody can buy UMD burners.
   by Just a guy (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » ...

That photo... that place .... itīs not Asia... :)

More like South America... get a clue!


   Re: comedy - 2007-05-09
 » maybe, the phillipines?

read the article you fool... think they use 'pesos' in china?
as i guess you're too stupid to know, they don't.
   by dots (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » No...

The reason the Wii is so much more expensive is because it requires a hardware modification, whereas the 360 merely needs a firmware flashed.

   by jajjaja (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » hmmm.

ok if the "Back Ups" do great all the place like US and ect... tha mean 360 can win the console war that why PS2 sold a lot...

   by mentalboy11 (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » yeah

i was in the philippines last month. i was surprised that they already had wii-mods. even the 360 mods. problem is that not many people in philippines like american products like the 360. i even saw someone(who looked rich) buy a ps3 there. because in philippines, sony is like a mercedes, wii(and PS2) are like toyotas, and xbox is like a ford(which in philippines is basically non-existent) if you get what i mean. a lot of people there like brand name basically.


   Re: Quixand - 2007-05-09
 » bullseye there mentalboy

and in the Philippines they care alot about how they are perceived by others.

wearing guess jeans or fossil watches might just be common in other cultures but in the philippines it's a big deal...

and sony is a big deal... and the higher the price is the more people want it... not the other way around where the higher the price is the more people get turned off... so with the price the PS3 has and the feeling of exclusivity and being elite... the PS3 is one of the hottest-thing-to-own right there right now... people are just deciding for the best way to get one.

although i haven't visited since two years ago.
   by someone (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » .

yea we filipinos like our Sony brand... it's a fact

   by yeahyeahyeah (Unregistered) - 2007-05-09
 » asia

i can buy PS2 games here for a dollar, the newer ones for maybe $2 but it never goes beyond that.

i know x360 pirated games can be played online here - and it was only recently when they were able to hack it (online thingy)

PSPs, hmmm dont tell me - you dont use custom firmwares in the US