Posted Feb 17, 2007 at 06:14AM by Dia A. Listed in: Wii, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Games for Windows Tags: Kansas, Black Voice News
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Richard O. Jones - Image 1Richard O. Jones, a writer for Black Voice News, wrote about his concerns regarding what he sees as racial stereotyping in video games; gamers everywhere form contrasting views on the issue.

In "The Bad News and Good News of Obsessive Video Games", Jones wrote that negative video games reinforce poor self-images in Black youth, that playing such games for prolonged periods of time mentally implants anti-productive images. In the game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Jones relates that players assume the lead character of Carl Johnson, a down-on-his-luck Black criminal, who roams city streets stealing cars and helping gang members knock off rivals in drive-by shootings.

Jones quotes John Murray, a psychologist who's studied violence and stereotypes in the media. According to him, Blacks and Latinos being portrayed as villains or victims who get killed often and easily is the code for powerlessness. Murray adds that these images persist because too few minorities are in the industry, that roughly 80 percent of video game programmers are white, about four percent Latino, and less than three percent are Black.


In part two of Jones' article, he quotes Eileen Espejo, who said African American females in video games were far more likely to be victims of violence; African American characters in general were least likely to respond to pain. Espejo also said that in a study, it was found out that characters in games for young children were exclusively white, ergo, video games are not a representative of the world we live in.

Jones expresses his concern that unless minorities are motivated to get on the business end of the video game industry, Blacks and Latinos will continue to be portrayed in a negative light and also miss out on a ten billion dollar a year industry.

Jones also points that if minority players would spend a portion of their life learning to create these games instead of wasting their lives playing them, there would be as many Black millionaire video game designers and illustrators as there is athletes and music artists.

His article has spawned heavy debate among the members of the gaming community. Gamers comment on whether it is really true or not that Blacks and Latinos are often perceived as the villain in most video games; and if it's true that most game developers are educated whites who perceive minorities as such.


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   by rolly poly (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » yes

um if everyone stopped "wasting" their lives on these games and made them, that 10 billion dollar industry would seriously shrink.

stop drawing lines for everyone else between races, i don't see other races as evil or villians, some of the villians in games just happen to not have the same skin color as me.

go get your 15mins of fame elsewhere and stop it with the reverse racism.


   Re: sdsd (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » sdsd

theres no such thing as "reverse racism", you idiot. That doesn't make an sense. There's JUST "racism". Do you even know what racism is? It's not exclusively black vs. white. It's any racevs. any race.
DERRRRR

   Re: roy (Unregistered) - 2007-02-25
 » hey black you are the racist

there are a few black people like u said because they do all the stuff that u said the video game reflects.its not racism its the true thing.instead of studying they hang out smoking crap so dont come with that old crap of racism.to think of what this people speak about.you are the racist.to make vidoe games u have to study u dont just say that u wanna do it so if there is few ones thats because they dont wanna be there.they rather play basketball and sing rap so WTF are u talking about.90% of jail is black and hispanic.doesnt that says it all?

   Re: roy (Unregistered) - 2007-02-25
 » and even more racist

black voices news.why isnt there white voices news?damm u guys woulg go crazy.so the only racist left these days are u.when u go to a black neighborhood u gotta be extremely careful and u see people getting a beating on the street and smoking crap on tha corner.u go to a white neghborhood everything is clean and everybody is nice to everybody so shut the ***** up ***** u and whoever thinks like u

   Re: roy (Unregistered) - 2007-02-25
 » please explain

how the hell they let *****s like this one write crap like that.
   by Its Me (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » ............

San Andreas is Racist because it features a black criminal Youth as the main charactor?

GTA & GTA Vice city both had white criminal charactors.

If every criminal in GTA was white, wouldn't this be racist against white people?


   Re: nevermid (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » exactly

Exactly what I was thinking. This is just the sort of article that really pisses me off. A black guy is the lead character in what 2 controversial games (GTA san andreas and vice city stories) and you get someone saying this *****. Imagine if the lead character in Manhunt was black or latin!

Anyway, arn't most gangs made up of minorities? If you've watched the news recently (I live in the UK), you will no what i mean.

   Re: Right on (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » I agree

Also why is it White ppl can only be the ones racist?

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   Re: Right On (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » I agree again

People who think like that are big stereotypes and they try to pin point anything that they could turn around and call it racist...

   Re: Neuromancer (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Retarded...

I think I've run down a pretty even cross section of pedestrians from many races (GTA I to GTA SA). IMO, they aren't singling anyone out.

I think it would be much lamer to always have the main character in a video game a white male.

   Re: Warrior (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » I Agree

If it were any other race it would also be racist.

   Re: Truth seeker (Unregistered) - 2007-02-20
 » foolish

Its racist, because blacks are RARELY featured as the main lead in videogames, and teh FEW times they are, thy are marginalized as gangsters and thugs, and many other black stereotypes. It's not racist to whites because there are plenty of non stereotyped white characters in games to go around... duh, pretty simple concept. The fact that previous GTA characters were white, is not comparable in any way, because that is not the point. It's sad some of you don't get that.
   by Me (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » stats

Quote: "negative video games reinforce poor self-images in Black youth"

Also in America, the ratio for black/white criminals in prison is 1 white person for every 8 black person. This is not an oppinion, It's a fact based on stastistic.

Poor self-image?? I let the numbers talk, they never lie.


   Re: Jim Jones (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » idiot

Don't be a fool "numbers never lie" seriously if you look behind the numbers you would realize why they are so high. The average drug user in NYC is a white male. Jones may be wrong GTA isn't racist but it does depict a lot of stereotypes. about blacks and Italians, Latinos etc which people accept. And then idiots like you who are so clever that their only news source is ABC NBC or even better FOX run around with these preconceived ideas and assumptions. Idiot.

   Re: sdsd (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » sdsd

How he he an "idiot". He is right. Numbers dont lie. Fact is fact, and theres nothing you can do about it. Black people are more violent than white people. Fact, not opinion. Idiot.

   Re: duuh (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » simple

He's an idiot because he is only looking at HALF the data on to WHY the statictics are so.. Anyone who took the time to analyze the data would know that. THAT is why the guy is an idiot. And the reasons to why they are so, are NOT opinions they are ALSO fact. In america the MAJORITY of drug users are WHITE, yet the MAJORITY of people locked up for teh SAME EXACT CRIME, are minorities. That is NOT an opinion, that is FACT. It is ALSO fact that charges related to "CracK" are teh HIGHEST penalty vs ANY otehr drug. And with cracj effecting the poor more because of how cheap it is, you get the picture.

   Re: Correction (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Correction

*oppressed people are more violent than non oppressed people, fact , not opinion Idiot*-Edited for accuracy

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   Re: Richard Jones is gay (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » correction

*Black people are more violent than white people* Re-Edited for accuracy

   Re: Joe Blow (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » Simple Reply

I think somebody is getting some messed up statistics. How can the number of drug users even be determined? How about by the ones that are locked up for it. You cant trust surveys because they can easily be fixed depending on who they ask. Numbers never do lie. You would have to be an idiot to think that when more black people are locked up for drug use that there are more white users.

   Re: Me (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » stats

Nobody knows the real numbers for sure but EVERYBODY knows that there is as lot more black people in jail than white. It may not be 1 to 8 but that ratio gives you an idea of the problem black people are facing in our society. Also doing drugs is not really a serious crime, selling and buying is. THAT is why they are so many black people in jail. Drug users are not criminal, they only hurt themself.

   Re: Richard Jones is a moron (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » indeed

*oppressed people are more violent than non oppressed people, fact , not opinion Idiot*-Re-Re-Edited for accuracy as ANY country, and ANY race in that country under teh same conditions prove it.

   Re: Joe Blow dumby (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » more thought out reply because simple doesn't + correct

" Nobody knows the real numbers for sure but EVERYBODY knows that there is as lot more black people in jail than white. It may not be 1 to 8 but that ratio gives you an idea of the problem black people are facing in our society. Also doing drugs is not really a serious crime, selling and buying is. THAT is why they are so many black people in jail. Drug users are not criminal, they only hurt themself."*****************___________________

That is SO inaacurate its not even funny. Because you are coming at the END of teh story, and telling teh ENDING without telling the REST of teh story. Maybe if we lived in a perfect world where racism didnt exist, you would be right. But it's a KNOWN FACT, that minorities in the U.S. are locked up MORE then white people for commiting the SAME EXACT CRIME, and with more harsh sentences. They are also racially profiled a LOT more. And it doesn't matter if YOU think drug use isn't a big deal. Getting caught with drugs no matter what is "possesion", and if you had enough on you (and it's a SMALL amount required), you are hit with an additional charge of "intent to sell". That's why so many peopel lobby to have druge USE charges reduced, because you have SO many people locked up for marajauna USE/Possesion overcrowding jails with people who shouldnt even be there, wasting our tax dollars when we shoudl be locking up people for more serious crimes instead. __________________________________________________________________

And Joe blow you are a moron.
The statistics were provided BY WHITE PEOPLE. Black peopel didnt come along and make up teh system. The numbers were gathered from MANY MANY places, and was teh most comprehensive study of its kind. Black peopel are 12% of teh population.... it would be RIDICULOUS to think that ALL 12% use drugs, and that LESS then 12% of white ppl in the country use drugs....YOU dont like the numbers... then YOU do a real study and provide more. Until then, STFU. the TOTAL number of drug users in history cant eb determined, but going around having studies and TALKING to people, and seeing WHO admitted to using drugs, GOING to drug recovery groups, seeing the numbers of people admitted to hospitals for drug over doses, And even seeing court records (just because you got caught using drugs dont mean you alwaays get locked up, especially when youre white) its easy to get the idea. YOU clearly have NO health care related experiences, or you wouldnt be talking out your ass.

   Re: Bear (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » accuracy

"""""""*Black people are more violent than white people* Re-Edited for accuracy""""

Thats hilarious... you want to know why? because the last time i checked black people didn't get fired from a job then come back with grenades, machine guns, and assault rifles, and kill every innocent person in site including the boss, fellow co workers, and any customer they see, and then continue shooting until they ran out of bullets. The last time i checked black kids didn't stock up on guns because they were sooooo depressed then go to school, and kill 20 people including fellow class mates, teachers, the prinicipal, and anyone else they can find until they ran out of bullets and then turned teh guns on themselves and left notes blaming Doom for all ther troubles. The last time i checked black people didn't hack up their neighbors, and anyone else they coudl get into their house then eat them. The last time i checked, just about every serial killer throughout all time (except for a few) were white men. Last time i checked black people didn't drop Atomic bombs on two cities killing millions of people. I coudl go on and on... the point is.. you're not looking at the whoel picture, and then making stupid claims. WHITE people are JUST as violent... the difference being blacks are locked up more for it. So much of teh same violence happens in Poor white neighborhoods but peopel try to pretend poor white people don't exist. And also in poor white areas, such behavior is NOT glorified in the Media the same way it is in black areas.
   by Sinister - 2007-02-17
 » Racist himself

Richard O. Jones seems more like a racist towards white people. Just because their's a black person committing a crime? You mean black people don't really commit crimes and any suggestion they do is racist? Only white people commit crimes? Richard is a racist biggot.

   by Macho!" (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 »  Richard O. Jones STFU

@RAAW
Please stop exaggerating .
You say all minorities/N's are criminals is like me saying , Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan represent all white women. "Get my point? Richard O. Jones STFU please and use your energy to educate not preach!


   Re: indeed (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » indeed

indeed
   by soapinmouth - 2007-02-17
 » well...

tommy verceti stole cars and wad down on his money, etc..btw im extremely rich on my file on San Andres.


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   Re: i pwned (Unregistered) - 2007-02-26
 » jed

hahahaha you guys need to stop posting ***** n get lives cuz mayb half of u havnt even got laid more then 1 n if u got laid n ur talking ***** thAT IS SAID U GUYS R LOOSERS AMERICA IN GENERAL IS RACIST NO MATTER WHAT U MIGHT THINK YOUR NOT BUT EVERYTHING U BSICALY SAY IS RACIST BUT YOULL NEVER SAY THE N WORD INFRONT OF A BIG BLCK GUY OR S WORD TO A SPANISH GUY OR THE WORD TO ITALIANS NO ONES REALLY WHITE UNLSSS UR FROM ENGLND THEN UR WHITE BUT IF UR ITALIAN POLISH GERMAN GO KILL URSELVES
   by gh (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » ghv

If every single main character in all the GTA games were white, then yes they are being racist, but because they aren't, it is a stupid arguement!


   Re: blah blah (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » GTA not racist

its not racist, there were white people in the other Gta games,

i didnt find it offending and imma black person, that dude jus want attention


   Re: Oh please (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Oreo

If you're black, and you're sitting here saying GTA SA wasn't exlpoitation, then you're clearly an oreo cookie uncle tom. Either that, or you ARE one of the idiots who think thug life is meaningful.
   by Andrew (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Complete BS!!

This game depicts general criminals, regardless of their color (they haven't released a game with an Asian / Middle Eastern criminal yet.)

All characters before the San Andreas release were white, and it dealt with Organized Italian / Hispanic criminals.

Black criminals are nothing new, nor racial. As in White, Asian races, criminals are everywhere. Wait til they come out with an Asian version of this thing.... It'll be the most gruesome one yet.

GTA is like a comedian. They pick on everybody.


   Re: Mike (Unregistered) - 2007-02-27
 » comedian

your last two lines i think really sum up what GTA is all about. it's too bad the attention-starved, like this Richard O. Jones, is too blind to see this.
   by *sigh* (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » This is just stupid..

Hmm... I'm going to make the perfect counter-arguement to this freaking idiot.

"Everyone, I'm here to announce that the games GTA3 and GTA Vice City are extremely racist. As a white person myself, I find it horrible to see that white people are being portrayed as members of the "mob" and associated with such horrible crimes as these. White people should NOT be portrayed as criminals in any way shape or form, as it is completely degrading to our character. As white people, we need to stand together against this company and the shame they have brought upon us."

In other words, just because your black doesn't mean you can just f*cking go out and call everything racist. Do you realize how many games have white people in them, and all circulate around crime, drugs, and so on? I think it's only natural that every once in a while a game depicts a black person as the culprit behind things, not just white people.

GTA isn't freaking racist, it's people who go out blaming that the "white people are destroying the image of Black America" who are the most racist. If you have nothing better to do than blame people for calling blacks/whites/hispanics/whatever you are racist, then I think you YOURSELF have a problem with race... Not those who created the game.


   Re: Koru-Kun - 2007-02-17
 » i totally agree

like i said, i completely agree with what you said.

   Re: LOL (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Weak counter argument

"Do you realize how many games have white people in them, and all circulate around crime, drugs, and so on?"

And do YOU realize the number of games starring whites that DONT center around that stuff??

You don't see a game featuring the lowest of the low, the most negative of negaticve aspect of a culture as not racist? Last time i checked, I've yet to see that many games starring "rednecks" and i've yet to play a game call "Trailer park trash adventures". Maybe you woudl have a point if just about EVERY game that featured white people was about Crime, Trailer park living, drunk rednecks, then MAYBE you would have a point. But since that is not the case, your comparison is WEAK.
   by ciderman - 2007-02-17
 » could have a point

Well I seem to be also in a minority, a minority of players who found GTA SA very distasteful, featuring a lead character who was impossible to like, in a repugnant story line.
The gentleman was right to say that minorites ARE presented in marginalised ways in games, they ARE more often than not criminals or existing on the violent fringes of society, thing is there are ways to treat this, make the story writing better, a simply change in texture colour changes race in a game, make the change.
Really games are at the blacksploitation phase of their evolution, a stage the cinema went through in the 70's and how archaic does that seem mow?
Lets try to iron out poor reflections of whole sections of society within media, this does matter, most people who do not have personal contact with a race or culture will assume that the one portrayed by media, including games, is the real one, and they will form attitudes accordingly.

   by Nevermind (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » I got another 1

Don't you think makers of world war II games such as Medal of Honor and Call of Duty are racist since you always play as the Allies! Think about them poor Nazis!

   by Okay... (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » well...

I think he's totally racist after reading his statement on "if minority players would spend a portion of their life learning to create these games..." Thats a stupid statement anyway you look at it.
And the fact that he thinks all the whites as in one race make it even further. If i'd call someone racist, i'd call him 1st.


   Re: mike (Unregistered) - 2007-02-27
 » true

he insults the very same group of people he is trying to "protect."
   by Ballin! (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Ballin!

It portraies black and hispanics because most criminals in the us are black and hispanic im not saying that white people arn't criminals ether but are you going to pretend that every gang in the game is perfectly orginized with 10 white 10 black ect!!! I could go on for hours but you get the point!


   Re: Pimp (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » dmb dumb

You are misinformed. The majority of people SERVING harsher panalties for crimes are black/hispanics. It is a FACT that Blacks/hispanics are MORE likely to recieve jail time, or get a harsher sentence for the same exact crime a white person does. It's not that MORE blacks and MORE hispanics are criminals, it's that LESS white peopel actually serve TIME for said crime. AND that goes down even more when one is able to AFFORD a better lawyer.
   by boo (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » hmm

sdsd your uneducated if you think that then i feel sorry for you, get a clue


   Re: mason (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » @boo+ken

you two are the smartest people on here so far i think
   by indy (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » its just a game.







did anyone notice black people run faster in GTA? LOL!

   by wer (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » He talks rubbish proberly need the publicity

Sounds firstly like his newspaper isnt selling so nothing like a bit of stirring to get the sales rolling, and he only compares with whites but he forgets to mention that Asians are also very successful in the gaming industry to..

   by DUB (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » ...

For years black people *****ed about not having a main character in a video game being black. GTA comes along and EVERYONE knows the game is about violence and whatnot so they make GTA:SA with a black MAIN character and black people complain because it makes black people look bad...yeah...you can never please these people. Did they ever try thinking that 7 out of 10 black men are criminals and thats what makes them look bad?


   Re: WOW (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Dub

Dude, you are such a moron. Everything you said was ridiculous.
   by Dudeman3k - 2007-02-17
 » My 2 cents and a dollar

I'm just going to nitpick a bit.

"Negative video games" was the term Jones used to refer to GTA:SA. It's true that media and whatnot depicting violence, drugs, and all that jazz can influence people in various ways. But in what way and to what extent depends on the person and their surroundings; family, friends, school, work, and other such things. But that's beside my current point. The term negative when speaking about an object that does not have a quantifiable value is relative term or precedes an opinion. What I mean is that what's negative or positive for some people isn't so for other people. Depictions of violence, sex, drugs can be positive when reinforced with knowledge about those subjects and their used with that knowledge. We can watch martial arts videos to at least fake our knowledge of the said martial art if we ever need to. Although I don't recommend it you can use adult films to learn new things to try with significant others. Whenever you see something about drugs it's hard to find these days an image of the drug that doesn't come up an image of what it does to someone. On top of those, on "negative video games" themselves I can say that what's positive is that they can be effective stress relievers that can result helping someone avoid taking actions that could have consequences not to their liking ie. working up the guts to call someone to tell them off about something small and having it blow up in your face. I don't know, i'm bad with examples. But anyway, to me a negative video game would be one that doesn't entertain you. Isn't the point of a video game that of entertainment? It's just like any other piece of media like movies, television, books, and whatever else you can think of. Any of these can have a negative or positive influence. It all just depends on what you use that information for and how that information is reinforced in your mind.

Racism. Violence and stereotypes in the media. We have people stereotyping in the real world all the time. Yes, it isn't very helpful when that sort of imagery is in the media. But it still can be. Without this sort of thing, writers and politicians would have nothing to do but address the real problems in the world. Try to look at the positive sometimes. With violence and stereotypes in the media, parents and public officials have something that can trigger conversation between themselves and their children. Stereotypes exist for a reason. To deny their existence and where they came from would be wrong and outright stupidity. It's just like history. You want to know things so you don't make mistakes. If concerned parties really care, they'll use "negative" images as learning tools. Don't complain about their creation, complain about the cultures that fuel it. By that I don't mean traditional cultures that people commonly identify with like latino, american, jewish, italian. By culture I mean any sort of group that holds a common set of ideals or beliefs like, but not necessarily the Raider nation, college students, blue collar workers, band kids. I hope you get what i mean. Which cultures are directly involved? That's the sort of information that's necessary to know. Racism, violence, and stereotypes in everyday life. Those things are the subjects that need attention.

Everyone is subject to and guilty of stereotyping at one point in time or another. It's just something you can't escape given our society. This comment is getting a bit too long so i'll just say KNOWLEDGE PEOPLE! KNOWLEDGE!

Sometimes racism is only racism if we call it racism. Sometimes.

IMO

   by Koru-Kun - 2007-02-17
 » please

gee... from now on, all game developers will have to employ exactly 33% Hispanic people, 33% Black people, and 33% White people... and in their games, there will have to be an exact ratio of 33% Hispanic people, 33% Black people, and 33% White people... and to top it off, half of the Hispanic people have to be women, half of the Black people have to be women, and half of the White people have to be women. This racist crap is pure idiocy.

This dude's throwing around equality like it's something easy to abuse. The truth is, game developers hire based on SKILL and TALENT not race. It's not the employers fault that more White people want to be game developers and be hired by the gaming industry than the rest. The simple fact is, it's impossible to have around an equal amount of races employed for every business!!

That guy is being racist by saying we need to hire BASED on color, not by skill and talent. I've had enough about this racist propaganda BS. The only thing to prevent racism is to not PREVENT somebody from being hired based on the color of their skin. Not to ENFORCE a policy that demands a certain percent of your employees HAVE TO BE BLACK OR HISPANIC.

This guy is just throwing a tantrum because his little paradigm can't see that racism is what he's doing, not what others are doing against him. He's the one making judgments based on skin color, not the accused.


   Re: Xcaliber (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » you're reading it all wrong

where in the statement did it say that game developers had to employ ppl on an "equality" basis.

He's not telling the industry to hire anyone he's pretty much giving all minorities a big kik in the ass and telling them to start doing something about it if they themselves want to see a change

its called activism

   Re: Koru-Kun - 2007-02-17
 » if you haven't noticed

Blacks aren't the minority anymore.

Where did i accuse him of trying to force people to hire people equally? My first paragraph wasn't literal, it was meant to show how absurd his ideology was. It was meant to show how stupid it is to compare hiring by skin color is to hiring by skill and talent.

What you stated that he was trying to tell is not what he was stating as a whole. That's only a part of what he added in there. About 75% or more of his statement was directed towards inequality in video game characters and in the game developers' workplace. So you can't say i'm reading it all wrong, you should say that i'm actually reading the WHOLE THING, not just one paragraph in there like the one you are stating from.
   by Xcaliber (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » my view

Ok heres my take on things... gta is quite the racist game

it has asians always in china town nowherelse, the only weapons they have besides the yakuza, who drive their yakuza cars and have guns, are knives and swords..

blacks latinos, pretty much all colored characters seem to be in the street walking around cursing, most of the time in or around their "gangs" and always have a weapon...

the italians represent the mob in its most mediacric fashion. High class, organized crime lords, who always have an expensive suit on and are on top of things...

the taxi drivers... more than likely are indian, more than always have the radio station set to a panjabi music station...

now every other person, the business person, the ppl just having fun... seem to be dare i say it white?

even the whores seem to have an accent which would give the gamer to think that english is not their first lang. and that they are from another country

this game portrays Americas look on american society
the minorities are not just black and latinos, they come from all over the world

the fact that most of you think that pretty much all gangs are minority groups you have to think what caused this how much do you wanna bet that their is more than likely someone behind the scenes making money off of these kids who are in these gangs....

i think the point of Richard O. Jones was basically not to pretty much point the finger and yell out racist, but to inspire everyonelse to get behind the wheel and start driving instead of just being the back seat drivers like you folks over here that only yell... do you honestly think the driver cares as long as you pay that 55$ for the video game and will continue to pay for it

and i do believe that this game, even thou i used to play it alot and enjoyed it during the time that i did, does promote a bad influnece on kids. Especially on minorities. Its just where parents have to step in and decide whether or not their children are adult enough in character to play this game and not have it change the way they act or look at the way they stand in society.

gta is quite the racist game.... it has been and i'm sure it wont change

and yes it does portray whites in a racist maner too.. but the racist view of whites is not a bad view so most ppl dont see it as racist in the first place


   Re: mokmuud (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » give me a break

its a game
fist off kids shouldn't be playing it if they are they were doomed before they ever played the game i play gta but my k definitely do not
secondly its a game it stereotypes big deal who cares
black and latino gangs italian mob yakuza indian cab drivers oh my goodness how dare they
i am soooo offended
c'mon people look vice city stories even has rednecks in a trailer park it is a crime game that shows the worst of our society but in essense it is true
who cares truth hurts get over it
if you don't like it don't play it
people whine way too much
   by q (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » q

Two words...

Reverse Racism !


   Re: LOL (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » WOW

You don't even know what that means you moron.
   by mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » my god

theres people complaining about racism left and right. i mean c'mon. GTA:SA just shows 1 person in 1 situation. It does not necessarily reflect all black people. these guys need to pull their panties out of their asses and quit whining all the time

   by jakass (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » look in mirror

racist pig ! who are "these guys"


   Re: mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » dude

i have like 5 friends who are black and they all play gta:sa. do they think it is racist? no! they like it because its a really good game. you need to chill

   Re: Mohaa fool (Unregistered) - 2007-02-20
 » Who cares that you have 5 black friends??

Just because THEY like it, doesn't mean they know any better. Or that it isn't racist. If they are ok with Blackploitation, then your 5 black friends are idiots who have fallen victim to the concept, and the blackploitation has done is job.

   Re: mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-20
 » stfu

you're just jealous because you're some damn nazi with no black friends. and wtf is blackploitation. i guess "jackass" really fits you
   by GTA forever (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » saints row

Im just wondering if anybody else noticed that Saints Row is actually far worse than GTA. They actually use the n-word in that game most of the dialouge contains way more swearing and racicst comments than GTA.


   Re: and (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » so wut?

U also get to chose if ur black,white or mexican

   Re: AND??? (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » So what????

Yet it's clearly modeled after "Thug Life" complete with "Bling" and anyone with a clue know who that is modeled after. It doesn't change that fact because NOW you can choose to be White and do it. The game is clearly cashing in on the Thug game fad of recent years. Any moron could see that.

   Re: i guess (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » then

ur a moron cuz u could see that...
   by man you people are so damn stupid (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » talk about DENIAL

"minorites ARE presented in marginalised ways in games, they ARE more often than not criminals or existing on the violent fringes of society, thing is there are ways to treat this, make the story writing better, a simply change in texture colour changes race in a game, make the change.
Really games are at the blacksploitation phase of their evolution, a stage the cinema went through in the 70's and how archaic does that seem mow?"

I think THIS is the most inteligent thing in the entire forum. I knew i woudl open up this comment section, and see a bunch of ignorant misinformed jackasses, commenting about crap they know nothing about. The near FLOOD of gangster games is pure explotiation, and the fact that you dumbasses cant see that, speak volumes about your own intelligence.

The guy didnt come out and call ALL developers Racist, what he stated is FACT, and was even supported by a industry wide survey.

He is NOT saying we need to have % of this % of that of poeple of color in each company. He is simply stated a FACT that minority characters are pigeon holed over and over again, exploited, stereotyped, and OFTEN portrayed as gansters, thugs, and bunch of otehr stuff USUALLY in a negative light. These are NOT opinions, these are FACTS. If you want to argue that they are not, youre a moron.

He Also goes on to say that this wont CHANGE unless more people of color get more involved in the industry itself. That is ALSO another fact.



The FACT remains that Majority of Black/Latno characters are written and created by WHITE people in videogames, and often get stereotyped by said white people who are created characters based on what they see in the media and have very little actual real world experience.


And it amazes me, how many idiots make comments like "so... the other GTAs had white main stars, and they were criminals too". Man, how can peopel be so stupid.??? For every White negative criminal in videogames, you have 50-100 positive heroes. For every 50 negative black criminals in videogames, you have 1-5 positive heroes. And often or not black characters in videogames are always gansters, thugs, boxers, dancers, rappers, football, and basketball players. ALWAYS. While white characetrs are all these things, and THEN SOME. You cant sit here and say White peopel in videogames are stereotyped in the same manner, youre a fool if you think so.



Another fact is, if Black characters werent so stereotyped in teh first place, GTA wouldnt have been such a big deal. The reason no one made a fuss about white characters being a big deal in previous GTAs was because there was FAR more games that showed whites in teh positive to counter balance any sterotype of different sthnic groups among whites. GTA stood out more, because there is little to ZERO other games featuring blacks in a positive light, so there was NOTHING to counter balance it. You will ALWAYS notice something more, when nothing ELSE is there. And with black characters in games thats almost ALL you exclusively see. THAT IS FACT. Any game that features an over 50% black cast is usually a game about sports, or thugs. To deny this fact also shows your ignorance.



Why am i not surpised that when someone brings up true racial issues, that other people (mostly white) will try to deny it, and fight it??



ANyone with half a brain will see that what this guy says is true.


   Re: AMEN (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » so true

The next thing you know, these ignorant people will say the "blacksploitation" of the 70's NEVER happend, and that it wasn't racist. I swear, some people need to go and rethink their ignorant view on what "explotation" is. GTA is exploitation. The whole gangster game fad that so many companies are doing is exploitation. Everytime you turn around theres another thug game. Comapnies make them because they know they will sell, and they don't even think about the people they exploit to do it.


What the origanl author said, is "true". If you deny it, it shows your lack of understanding of the subject at hand, and what he "truely" saying. Why don't you people read what is there, and not what "you" want to see.

   Re: The One (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » obvious

Yeah really!

Next you'll have a woman write an article or the negative ways, and sexist ways women are potrayed as in videogames, and you'll have a bunch of "MEN" joining in to say how "it's not true" "the womon who wrote this is sexist herself" "the woman who wrote this is whinning". Sometimes people need to get over themselves, and learn to recognize when someone is trying to "seriously" discuss a problem. It would be a better way to improve thingsm then to sit here making ignorant baseless comments to something that was actually researched, and has facts to back it up.

   Re: md (Unregistered) - 2007-02-27
 » pathetic

hello, Richard O. Jones is a money-hungry attention-craving idiot who probably hasn't even played any of the GTA games. That's why I love that he, or anyone else, didn't say anything about GTA until the main character had a change of race. i think that's especially funny since i can guarantee you that there's plenty of black men and women playing this game as we speak. the greatest part of the game is to be able to do all this illegal wild stuff you'd never do in real life, something anybody would have fun doing, since they wont get in trouble. isn't the fun without consequences the reason anyone gets games like these? if Jones could see that, and let his kids have some playtime with GTA:SA, he would probably change his tune quicker than the game took to sell a million copies. oh, that reminds me, i like his comment about getting the minorities into the business... tell me that wasn't a racially-motivated remark about the financial state of "his people"
   by hush404 - 2007-02-17
 » funny

This guy never had a problem with the stereotypical Italian's in the third GTA.


   Re: um (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » errrrr

Because he wasn't talking about white people.....

White people are NOT stereotyped to the same degree as minorities. Hell I'm white and even i Know that. And in case you didn't know, MANY Italians didn't like the show the Sapranos, because of teh stereotypes it portrayed.
   by Tired (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » One word: "SIMS"

SIMS have characters of all colors, all of them talk gibberish and the African Americans are not stereotyped as criminals. You can create characters of all races and combinations of stuff. There ARE games that show folks in various lifestyles and stuff... they just don't get the attention that GTA gets.


   Re: Annoyed (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » two words: multiple games

Sims is only one game, it's not enough to Counter act teh NUMBER of games that show minorities in negative stereotype form. As someone else said. For every 1 game that has them in none sterotyped form, there are 10 other games that show them in the negative. And as someone else pointed out, IF more games were out there that had MORE minorities IN it, that weren't stereotyped, then NO one would have cared about GTA. THAT is the reason it stood out. Because almost EVERY SINGLE TIME you have minorities starring in games, they are NEGATIVE sterotypes. WHITE peopel do NOT face this same problem in games, THAT is why the other GTA weren't racist to WHITE people. Because WHITE people are not type casted/sterotyped the same damn way. That is a FACT.
   by darthmaul (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » Its a game people!! Just a game!!

I am a black man and I don't believe that the game is racist. I played the game, and thouroughly enjoyed it. If the lead character was a white man, I would have enjoyed it just as much. Would I let my kid play it?? Hell no, cuz it glorifies violence which can influence young children. Gang violence does exist. People get shot and killed everyday in black and white neighborhoods. Is making a game off of it with the main character being black racist?? I think not. People need to realize that its just a game!!! And NO, not all black people are violent!!!


   Re: Yawn Darthmaul (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » Its not JUSt a game, theres a bigegr picture involved.

And if you ARE black, and can't see that bigger picture, you are truly stupid. I guess you are comepletely ok with Black people being stereotyped ALL the time, and can't see teh impact it has? Idiot

   Re: darthmaul (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » not racists....

Im far from an idiot thank you very much! I said nothing about stereotyping....I said it wasnt racist. There is a difference. I would agree with the fact that the game has stereotypes attached to it, and I don't like stereotypes. I say again though it is not racist....

   Re: Yawn Darthmaul (Unregistered) - 2007-02-20
 » It is

Its sad that you seem to think that the only way something is racists is if they come out and say it it, or it has to be blatant in your face racism. Theres a thing called subtle racism. You are thinking in terms of GTA SA ONLY. If you look at the whole picture, and see the way blacks are portatyed in video games, then those very stereotypes become racist.

   Re: md (Unregistered) - 2007-02-27
 » is Yawn all there mentally?

a black person comments on the game, and unlike Mr. Jones, does not see the way GTA is portraying any one race in a bad light. then you proceed to call him an idiot for missing the big picture away from GTA:SA? the whole picture is revolving around GTA:SA, it's what has someone like Jones writing stuff. I dont know if you're black or not, but you are definitely misinformed or misunderstanding everything that has been said on this topic.
   by Gamesdmc3 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » shut the ***** up

im black,and this is the second gta game with a black person as the main character,they half 2 have a color they cant make him clear,and plus if u ever lived in the hood u know what its like

   by GW2 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-17
 » WTF?

GTA has always had a white protagonist. now that it had its first black one its racist? somebody needs a lesson in racism.


   Re: RE GW2 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » WTF you're stupid

Because it's not JUST about GTA:SA. It was modled after South central LA, and in fact the developers WENT to SC LA to "research" the damn game. But the original article is talking about the WAY minorities are shown in games... GTA was but an example, and a good one.


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