Posted May 17, 2007 at 08:30PM by Chris L. Listed in: Xbox 360 Tags: Microsoft, bigvip
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OH FRAK. - Image 1If you have a modded console, and enjoy said modded console, [insert choice of expletive here].

BIGVIP posts in the Gamerscore Blog that if Xbox Live detects a modified Xbox 360 console, it will spit out Error Status Code Z: 8015-190D, and not connect to Xbox Live, and you will spit out [insert choice of expletive here] and not enjoy Xbox Live.

Note that this does not mean that your Xbox Live account has been banned - it is still active, says BIGVIP.

It is your hardware that has been banned - or more accurately, that it has been detected to contain certain modifications that violate the Xbox 360 Terms of Use and thus will not be allowed by Xbox Live to complete the connection and log on the user trying to use said Xbox 360 with modifications.

This seems to have been put into mass play beginning with the Halo 3 Beta rollout - BIGVIP hints at it. Xbox-Scene reports mixed-bag effects: some firmware mods get detected and some don't, although they observe that Microsoft tends to "ban with delay". Xbox-Scene thinks that Xbox Live's detecting backup discs, and this despite using "new firmware with disc-jitter added" - and this despite earlier reports that backups worked fine with Spring Update.

Apparently the mod-detect feature wasn't piggybacked to Spring, but to the release of the Halo 3 Beta.

The official line is that this protects the integrity of the Xbox Live community and the XBL service, "the protection of our partners and the benefit of our users." You already know our stance: boo to piracy (but make next-gen a little more economically accessible), no flag-waving for either side, and honestly, those Halloween brick rumors still hurt, half-a-year on.


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   by XxBigP123xX - 2007-05-17
 » 1st

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   Re: ps3best (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » xbox sux

I am waiting until 2010 when ps3 games will take full advantage of machines power and have huge collection of games!!

xbox 3sux0 (

   Re: heath (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » great news

This is great news to ensure that the xbox 360 does not end up like the dreamcast. I know modders may be mad but they do nothing to help out the 360.

   Re: Bar (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Ney

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its the best game of all time and gaylo has and will never even come close to it. ps3 rules, it has the best technology and stuff in it and was better made than any other system and that%u2019s the truth. Look at it! blu-ray, tons of killer app games, no gaybox or any other console any company makes will ever come close to that crazy *****.

Yea, its true! ps3 is going to win the nex gen console wars wether you ***** xbox fans like it or not. Xbox 360 will never have GTA, HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! its

   Re: Jobo50 - 2007-05-18
 » your a dumbass

Your a class 5 ps3 fanboy, there is nothing we can do to fix you now, your brain has completely turned to much, and you've turned into a total *****got, im sorry. Although it is not totally reversable, we can fix some damage, you need to buy a real console, the xbox 360, and play some decent games. I sorry you had to hear this news.
   by Mabie A. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-05-17
 » lol

i also find it funny that now that i have a ps3 i dont play my Xbox 360 and im not banned!

Edited by Mabie A. (Q.J. NET Staff) , because:
cuss word


   Re: AoxomamoxoA - 2007-05-17
 » @ XxBigPoser123xX

Thats cool. Enjoy your PS3!

Also, its spelled Xbox. Try showing just a little maturity when you post if you expect people to take you seriously. I know namecalling is a little too advanced for a beginners lesson, so instead, try not posting *first!* on topics. If you practice this you will notice that in time other posters wont think you are an attention-starved mamas boy. Give it a try!

   Re: XxBigP123xX - 2007-05-17
 » wow

Wow, you never cease to amaze me. See i can write just like you but that would make me look like a queer, yes, just like you. And i also love how you called me XxBigPoser123xX. Now thats mature.

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   Re: AoxomamoxoA - 2007-05-17
 » @ XxBigPoser123xX

Thanks for proving my point. Keep up the good work.

   Re: FreePlay (Unregistered) - 2007-05-17
 » {reply_result_22}

I think I like you, AoxomamoxoA.

   Re: heath (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » And we care?

Because you work for qj.net? Maybe if you worked for ign.com i would care.
   by PTSnake (Unregistered) - 2007-05-17
 » ...

And so it begins. After a two years of great fun, the whole X360 Kingdom trembles, and the PS3 starts it's raise.


...anyone wants to buy a X360 + 102games? (not actually selling it herem just wanted to prove a point


   Re: AoxomamoxoA - 2007-05-17
 » Parasite Pirates

I wouldnt say the 360 *Kingdom* is trembling, more like getting rid of its parasites. People who pirate games are killing the industry, so to do away with their ability to play backup games is to do away with piracy on said console.

If people are so hard up on spending a measly $50 on a game then why not just sign up for a rental service? $10 a month for 3 rentals and you can keep them out as long as youd like.

Piracy is bad, mkay.

   Re: mase - 2007-05-17
 » _

lol @ 3 and 4

   Re: PTSnake (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » lol

is IS trembling. Piracy ans raphics are the only thing keeping the Xbos in the first place. i know it, because i own one.

   Re: Matt (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » You bought 102 games?!?

Dumb @$$... They are only 4 1/2 good games for 360 and I already own them, sucker

   Re: winch (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » .

pirated games you moron. of course he didn't buy all 102.
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   by d (Unregistered) - 2007-05-17
 » oh man

that sux! haha omg that really sux for modded 360 owners! sorry guys but backups are freakin sweet, i was debating on gettin a 360 just bc i could play them. oh well.

   by Mabie A. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-05-17
 » You guys are funny.

I swear, some of you guys commenting must work for microsoft! Of course we understand why microsoft is banning users, but I don't, and never will have a bleeding heart for these companies that are being 'robbed' by pirates downloading their games. And to AoxomamoxoA who says 'just PAY for your games, they're only $50/$60 dollars, lol': you can kiss my a$$. $60 for a game that potentially sucks is way too much. I only pay for games that I KNOW i will get my money back in enjoyment with. Come to think of it...I DO want my $10 back, *****! Pay up.

Edited by Mabie A. (Q.J. NET Staff) , because:
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   by BUNGHOLE (Unregistered) - 2007-05-17
 » ps3

I wouldnt buy a ps3 because it can't be modded, and even then, BDs are like 30 a pop with the burners running 1000.

Sony wins the piracy war with their unique approach, charge too much to make it worth it :)


   Re: Hellraiser (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » .

I'm just happy I can pirate the s*it out of my PSP!

HA HA $ony! Never bought a game since 2005!

PS1, PSP, N64, Genesis, SNES, NES, NeoGeo, everything free! HA HA HA HA!!!
   by senjutsu (Unregistered) - 2007-05-17
 » useless

we can simply put the chip to "off" with an external button, then play online the games you own, and play offline everygame for free, I think it's not a big "hack" into the hackers domain... lol

   by Bill Impey (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » come on m$...get those games released..

..I have a 48 cake of DL discs ready to go

   by Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » ...

You've got to give it to MS for having the balls to do this. Not many people expect them to take a risk on banning paying live users when it's a good source of revenue for the platform. I really hope the benefits of taking this type of action at least strength the platform from the publisher side of things. Only time will time if this will have a positive or negative affect on the platform.

It wont get rid of piracy because copied games still boot, but banning access to xbox live will make the decision of modifying your console a tougher one to make.


   Re: ghdfg (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » my 2 cents

yep but also the WORST factor is. how many people DID modify there xbox just to play burn games. i can name a crap load of people who only bought xbox's for that reason. like myself. and the games on xbox are not really that great for you to say "oh let me keep the system and let me buy the games now" now say 40% of people who had xbox's had them modded that means they banned 40% of all the revenue. you know how negative that is for them? that is insane. and plus add the amount of people who just wanted a xbox just to play burned games thatll be another big chunk to minus out of there sales.

and on top of it banning people ISNT a PIRACY move its called a GREEDY MONEY SUCKING MOVE. think about it! they ban your system from not being able to go on live again what do you have to do? buy a new system + games making them make tons of money. thats what it was about making them all kinds of money not about piracy. if IT WAS about piracy. they would make a patch where when you try to log onto the xboxlive YOU PAID for it will give you a message saying "backup disc detected pleas einsert original game" and you wont be able to log on with a burned disc but your console is fine. see theres a teach you a lesson ban and a im gonna use this in a way to suck everyone dry way. and on top of THAT what if you buy a second hand xbox? say from gamestop or from a friend or etc. and its hacked and you dont know it you go online your instantly banned. it was not your fault but guess what? who cares your screwed buy a new system for online you lost your money. and people are sayin thats a good thing that they did this? please...get out of here with that crap. like myself and all the people i know allready canceled there xbox live accounts and on our way to selling our luckily unbanned and reflashed to original systems and gettin ps3's.

the answer to microsoft winning the console war was to ban a crap load of there acual players and consumers and piss them off....was that smart or what? lol!!

   Re: loller (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » You're a chump

Were you trying to say you think 40% of Xbox 360 owners modded their console? You're a complete fool if you do. I assure you it is nowhere near that, probably not even 5%. And modders usually stick together, so the fact that you "can name a crap load of people who only bought xbox's for that reason" doesn't really hold much weight.

Honestly, good riddance to all you pirates and would-be Halo 3 cheaters. I really don't care if you steal money from Microsoft by getting games illegally, but you also steal money from the developers, and unlike Microsoft they are not multi-billion dollar corporations and actually need that money to put food on the table. That is what I have a problem with, and that is the thing most of you thick-headed hackers (really, some of you are so stupid I'm surprised you even know how to hack the damn thing, not necessarily referring to you ghdfg) don't seem to realize. 100% of the price of a game doesn't go to Microsoft you know.

   Re: Matt (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Bang Bang

Devise just got shot down. Screw modders.

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   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » ...

I like to sit my opinion right in the middle of you.

Everyone that hacked their console had to realize that if they use xbox live they are going to risk getting banned. You can't be mad at MS for protecting there investment when the rules are black and white.

You make the mistake of saying MS will lose 40% of it's live income but then you say they did it to make more money because their greddy.?. 40% is a crazy number also, loller is right it's probably 5 to 10%.

And now instead of pirating your games on the 360 your going to sell your console and buy a PS3 and pay for your games? It's sounds like to me the only reason you and your friends bought a 360 is to pirate games. I guess MS did the industry a favor, cause now your going to buy your software.?.

I do not think all pirates are bad. The firmware hack for one didn't allow cheating which was good. Most of them pay for Live, DLC, Accessories, Movies, Themes etc... Many of them visit this board and comment on games they have played, promote titles they liked, content they have purchased and inform the community with information about the platform.

But you get often get knuckle heads like the guy 2 posts above me that steals games, says the games aren't that great, thinks MS owes them something and thinks getting a PS3 is a smart solution for being caught.

I think MS probably did the right thing. Bad luck if you got caught. At least your console isn't a brick. With rental sites offering cheap monthly subscriptions maybe many of you should look into this solution if you want to escape future bans.

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » ...

Shot down by who? I didn't get banned you tard.
   by Outsider - 2007-05-18
 » !!!

A beginning of the end for some. Now i'm soooo glad i didn't modify my x360.

   by Brendan (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » got banned

tried connecting this morning, got banned :(

got the ms25 firmware


   Re: darn it (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » wheres commador?

O dear, better keep my wireless adaptor out of the 360 a little longer. honestly thought, If you didnt see it coming a mile away one the Halo 3 beta then you need your head examined. Strap it to something you know no one will resist.

So is it detecting DISKS or FIRMWARE? I.E, can I still use market place? Need a fix for this before forza 2!

O, and FYI, if 95% of the 3 million consumers are paying legititmatly, I can sleep at night.

   Re: Cart_Man (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » banned?

looser!
   by me (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » me

no big deal . I knew this was coming as soon as i flashed my drive half a year ago. IM going to keep playing my burned games, fck live.



   Re: me2 (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » xbox

so is it the firmware or the discs its detecting?

   Re: Joel (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » ah well

Ah well. The dream has died.
Still, offline play of the game's pretty sweet :)

We had fun, and it was a good run.
   by iyuiy (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Sony will ban your modded ass even quicker

People who have modded their 360s cant complain, You have had a good run and MS could of got you long ago, expect Sony to announce it from day One of when the first PS3 modchips arrive because you dont pay to go online so they have nothing to lose by banning you even quicker..


   Re: Was fun (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » While it lasted

Meh, waste of a headset, but to be fair I got 7 months out of my subscription and I still get all the fun of system link.

Never mind.

Gonna miss Rainbow Six: VEGAS though, that game rocked.
   by Masticina Akicta (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » An interresting happening

Well isn't this another earthshaker. I mean it was already know that microsoft knows your consoles serial number. After all those that got their xbox 360 replaced in garantuee had to go through the process of trying to reclaim the spend points!

Then how hard would it be for microsoft to recognize cracked firmware? Not that hard really!

This moves just shows that they mean it and that you are stuck with the things microsoft makes possible for you. Wich I agree..is allot of good! The online service is great! Those that copy games though cut deep in the revenue of not only "big bad" microsoft but ..also those compagnies that code your games :(

Nowadays to make a game that looks great on one of the next-gen consoles is very very expensive! And those that crack consoles just to run copied games ( why else do they crack a console! ) finally got their awnser :) No more Live for you!

I hail microsoft for such a bold move!

   by Josh (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Wow this sux

you know i think that M$ is just makeing people mad like i was havin a good time playing the halo3 beta and i was probly gona buy it then i get on to play with my friends and BAM im band
u know i dont know what they think there getting out of banning people

   by MJMaskrey (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » haha

I can't believe people are slating MS for banning their modded console. They caught you doing something you shouldn't have been....no-ones fault but you're own.

People that are whining about being banned you should just think yourselves lucky they didn't brick your 360's.


   Re: dialtone (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » yeah and im one who considers myself lucky

I'm not outraged, It was so obviously coming and I did get almost a year of online for games which I did not support the publisher. The hacked firmware I flashed came with a clear warning to 'use on xbox live at own risk' so there was fair warning. I do understand why MS is taking a zero tolerance attitude even tho a perm ban is a bit harsh because I may have considered reverting to the original firmware and purchasing games for the xbox live feature but at the price of a new console I do not think so. In conclusion MS has some big balls and I have no big beef with em like the previous post says it could have been worse and they could of bricked us then we would have nothing. peace!
   by un lockgod (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » oh *****

wel lets just see what happens next then folks

I have 1xworking still :)
1x banned :(

life goes on


   Re: fobfromoz (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » firmware

dude mine got banned too. u got 2 consoles??
wandering which firmware you got in the working one
   by Gamertag: GOPAL892005 (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » : (

my console got banned 2day - was looking to play HALO 3 after my exams [legit copy of Crackdown!]

oh well - gonna wait a few days & see if someone can come-up with a hack that allows you to play on live - that would be something.

i feel cheated coz my XBL membership ran out yesterday & i renewed it & 2day i got banned [thats £40 down the drain]

oh yeah - i'll return my console back to the shop & swap for a new one [if a hack doesn't come out soon] & flash it when everything is sorted :D


   Re: Shiro (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » I wouldn't...

You realise that they will probably check to see if the console works and can connect to Live, right? When it fails they will not buy it from you in all likelihood.

I have to buy a new core system tomorrow (only $240 since I live in Japan where they are pretty cheap) and will use it for legit online play - and keep the old modded one for single player only antics. ^___^

   Re: AoxomamoxoA - 2007-05-18
 » Eye for an Eye

I like how you say that it was £40 down the drain. Think about how the devs and publishers feel when you steal from them. Thats their money down the drain, and its a lot more than just £40.

   Re: loller (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Shiro would be right

I'm not sure if they check Live on the console (probably), but even if they don't when they sell it and the person who bought it has a problem with it you will probably get a phone call from that shop.

Oh and if you were thinking about eBay, not disclosing the little fact that it is perma-banned from Live in the auction description would be illegal, and you would get in one heck of a mess with eBay, PayPal, and your credit card company when the buyer disputes the charge.
   by Wise One (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Pointless...

I dont see what the point is by banning modded firmware xbox's from xbox live cause they will still play backups offline and m$ wont gain any money from people buying xbox live subscriptions...

   by ChaZ (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Good

Good job. It pisses me off that people are getting games for free or an extremely small price and even playing them on Live. We pay good money for a full priced game to support some extremely good developers out there.

Its a joke when people start trying to cheat developers. It wouldnt annoy me as much if you couldnt play online, but because they have full features of the real games it pisses me off.

Support the devs. Gj MS.

   by pipe (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » --

what if you use a blaster360 modchip and its switched off? still get banned?

   by hylandz (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » banned!

I knew the risk when my firmware was flashed, but most of the games on the 360 are rubbish and paying £40+ a time to see if there any good is too much of a risk, yeah i download games and if there any good i buy them and play them online.
But now theres no point in buying them if i cant play online, so cancelled my subscription and will only download games from now on, no big deal, still have system link on local.

   by Dragon X (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » XLink Kai and XBC

Yeah, big deal about live. Yeah it sucks and was pretty sweet but that was just an extra feature. If i lose it, then I'll just go back to the good ole days with Xbox Connect and XLink Kai. Only thing is it's not regulated over so sometimes you have to deal with the damn hackers and cheaters. Hey, if the game is good enough, I buy them. Halo 3 is pre-ordered and ready to go.

   by huh? (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » whats wrong with you people?

All those people saying YAY, hackers are bad! do you know where you are? Try googling Xbox 360 news...

QJ - "Xbox 360 News- 24/7 Coverage of the Latest Xbox 360 Homebrew, Games, Hacks and Exploits."

what are you on?

Still no word from Commador4eva?

   by i'm (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » a

*****

   by hefragme (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Thieves and Whiners

The number of people hating on MS for protecting their assets is astonding. Even more amazing are the ones that not only admit to pirating everything but talk of attempting to return their flashed hardware to rip off the retailers. Wonder why return policies keep getting more and more strict...its those bozos

   by Shiro (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » What's good for the goose...

Probably isn't good for the gander.

Look at all the people defending the 360! Not that I have anything against it - because people *****ing about being caught for breaking the rules deserve little to no sympathy. However, I am sure if this situation cropped up for the PS3 the same people praising MS would probably hail this as the end of Sony's new console. Instead we just get "Yay"s.

   by Joey JoJo Junior (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » phew

So glad i didn't flash my 360 (just considering it aswell). Live is the best thing about the 360. If i couldn't play gears of war or Fight night online i'd probably not play at all!

   by TrIpLe (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » Damn ... at last !

I got 2 console ... one with a ms 25 drive and the other wuth a ms28 flashed with te latest version of the firmware. Only the ms28 drive havent been banned... somebody can tell me if it's only the ms25 drive that get banned

   by steve (Unregistered) - 2007-05-18
 » no mods

my xbox isn't modded and i can't get on xbox live. what do i do?



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