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by phalanges - 2006-09-19 |
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» Haha
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, yeah that'll make me buy a HD-DVD.
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, yeah that'll make me buy a HD-DVD.
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by Someguy (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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quality of sound a video what a load of crap. It's all the same data and I go for the disc that holds the most data.
Still I'm not happy unless an optical write once storage device is larger than a HDD, it's been many years since that was the case.
per MB it can even be cheaper to by another HDD than a DVD-R
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by I like mine with lettuce and tomato (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» Coporate Dump
Sony has truly taken a huge Coporate s.h*t on all of its fans and supporters.
Shame on them for pushing the PS3 with a Blu-Ray player, knowing that it was the easiest way to get Blu-ray into homes. Them pushing this has screwed over us gamers who want to play the PS3... how many delays do people have to go through before they realize that sony has smacked us all in the face.
I once wanted a PS3... but screw sony, and screw Blu-Ray (all the multiple format movies that have been reviewed - end up in the favor of HD-DVD - and HD-DVD is cheaper). Thanks sony - you lost my loyalty.
Sony has truly taken a huge Coporate s.h*t on all of its fans and supporters.
Shame on them for pushing the PS3 with a Blu-Ray player, knowing that it was the easiest way to get Blu-ray into homes. Them pushing this has screwed over us gamers who want to play the PS3... how many delays do people have to go through before they realize that sony has smacked us all in the face.
I once wanted a PS3... but screw sony, and screw Blu-Ray (all the multiple format movies that have been reviewed - end up in the favor of HD-DVD - and HD-DVD is cheaper). Thanks sony - you lost my loyalty.
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by babyg (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» babyg
3. » Coporate Dump
Sony has truly taken a huge Coporate s.h*t on all of its fans and supporters.
Shame on them for pushing the PS3 with a Blu-Ray player, knowing that it was the easiest way to get Blu-ray into homes. Them pushing this has screwed over us gamers who want to play the PS3... how many delays do people have to go through before they realize that sony has smacked us all in the face.
I once wanted a PS3... but screw sony, and screw Blu-Ray (all the multiple format movies that have been reviewed - end up in the favor of HD-DVD - and HD-DVD is cheaper). Thanks sony - you lost my loyalty.
by I like mine with lettuce and tomato (Unregistered), at Sep 19, 2006 at 08:03AM
your so lame bro....... sony pushes the new format in every system they built...... when nintendo was doing cartriges(n64) the playstaion had cd's....... then with the ps2 it was a dvd player, that was new tech when it came out........ so why the hell would they be dumb enough not to put next gen format in the ps3?....now just step back and look at this.....if we put a dvd drive in the ps3 then what would everyone be complaining about?......."oh sony sucks because they have a standard dvd player in the ps3"........ what if sony put HD-DVD in the ps3?.... then they wouldnt be backing up the technolidgy that they themselves helped create........
BLU-RAY = 25gigs single layer
HD-DVD = 20 gigs (fofgive me if im wrong on this one)
DVD= 4 gigs single ,and 9 gigs dual
if your not a fan of buying new technoligy, then go to best buy and buy a ps2 they still have dvd drives...... or as a matter of fact go buy a 360....
BUT, if you want to have TRUE HD GAMES AND MOVIES.... without buying a HD-DVD ADDON.......
and you want the ULTIMATE 1080P exerience then buy a ps3..........
my advice think before you talk.... you contradict yourself at least twice in that statement you made......
now you can go along to the 360 boards and complain about not having enough space, and power..... were only your less demanding games run barely at 1080i....... and if you want to watch movies you have to buy the $200 attachment... which means really the 360 is the same price as the ps3..... oh yea and even though they launch the 360 HD-DVD attatchment... youll still get peice of crap games...in 720p....
im not a fanboy at all..... i go for the machine with the most power..... last gen i loved the xbox.... on star wars battlefront you could totaly see the difference in the xbox and ps2.... the xbox looked way better.... now this gen the ps3 will be better...... its a PROVEN FACT.....
plus halo is getting old......
oh and just to be lame with you
1080i = 1080 for idiots
1080p= 1080 fo *****az gettin mad puzzy
3. » Coporate Dump
Sony has truly taken a huge Coporate s.h*t on all of its fans and supporters.
Shame on them for pushing the PS3 with a Blu-Ray player, knowing that it was the easiest way to get Blu-ray into homes. Them pushing this has screwed over us gamers who want to play the PS3... how many delays do people have to go through before they realize that sony has smacked us all in the face.
I once wanted a PS3... but screw sony, and screw Blu-Ray (all the multiple format movies that have been reviewed - end up in the favor of HD-DVD - and HD-DVD is cheaper). Thanks sony - you lost my loyalty.
by I like mine with lettuce and tomato (Unregistered), at Sep 19, 2006 at 08:03AM
your so lame bro....... sony pushes the new format in every system they built...... when nintendo was doing cartriges(n64) the playstaion had cd's....... then with the ps2 it was a dvd player, that was new tech when it came out........ so why the hell would they be dumb enough not to put next gen format in the ps3?....now just step back and look at this.....if we put a dvd drive in the ps3 then what would everyone be complaining about?......."oh sony sucks because they have a standard dvd player in the ps3"........ what if sony put HD-DVD in the ps3?.... then they wouldnt be backing up the technolidgy that they themselves helped create........
BLU-RAY = 25gigs single layer
HD-DVD = 20 gigs (fofgive me if im wrong on this one)
DVD= 4 gigs single ,and 9 gigs dual
if your not a fan of buying new technoligy, then go to best buy and buy a ps2 they still have dvd drives...... or as a matter of fact go buy a 360....
BUT, if you want to have TRUE HD GAMES AND MOVIES.... without buying a HD-DVD ADDON.......
and you want the ULTIMATE 1080P exerience then buy a ps3..........
my advice think before you talk.... you contradict yourself at least twice in that statement you made......
now you can go along to the 360 boards and complain about not having enough space, and power..... were only your less demanding games run barely at 1080i....... and if you want to watch movies you have to buy the $200 attachment... which means really the 360 is the same price as the ps3..... oh yea and even though they launch the 360 HD-DVD attatchment... youll still get peice of crap games...in 720p....
im not a fanboy at all..... i go for the machine with the most power..... last gen i loved the xbox.... on star wars battlefront you could totaly see the difference in the xbox and ps2.... the xbox looked way better.... now this gen the ps3 will be better...... its a PROVEN FACT.....
plus halo is getting old......
oh and just to be lame with you
1080i = 1080 for idiots
1080p= 1080 fo *****az gettin mad puzzy
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by Munkeyfeet (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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Whilst i see why Sony are doing this and yes it is the most powerful machine it wont touch the 360 - the ps2 won the last console war - why???? - first to market - the 360 has sold too many console units and their online play is 2nd to none and everyone knows sony are awful at online - the PS2 was a prime example and the first batch on ps3 games wont have online!!!! Also the HDD is an add on you muppet - which pikey runs DVDs through their console unless your 12 and play in your room - go buy a decent surround sound system. The PS3 will be better but wont have the market except in Japan who are like the French and only buy from their own. If blu ray works i will buy a blu ray surround sound system as it will be a lot better than a dual drive so all in all this is a pointless arguement. Just for the record i have always been a sony fan but the 360 will take some beating - i also know the VP of sony games europe and the graphics will be the same unless you have a TV worth thousands but then if your moaning about running dvds thru your PS3 you wont be affording that!!!!!
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by Viphid (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» Umm...
Its more like Kojima saying PS3 will win because MGS4 wont fit on a standard DVD. (thanks to all that beautiful, unplayable video... Kojima, really do know how to bore me)
To Babyg
The only way 1080p = For those whom attain "Mad Puzzy" is if you pay for it, son. And that just means you are taking it both ways from Sony and Crystal (like the champagne)
Most Consumers aren't ready for any of this HD-DVD & Blu Ray anyway. The cost is too high and Sony is only pressing the matter as much as possible. Sorry, they created the poorer format, anyway. Word will get out.
-V
Its more like Kojima saying PS3 will win because MGS4 wont fit on a standard DVD. (thanks to all that beautiful, unplayable video... Kojima, really do know how to bore me)
To Babyg
The only way 1080p = For those whom attain "Mad Puzzy" is if you pay for it, son. And that just means you are taking it both ways from Sony and Crystal (like the champagne)
Most Consumers aren't ready for any of this HD-DVD & Blu Ray anyway. The cost is too high and Sony is only pressing the matter as much as possible. Sorry, they created the poorer format, anyway. Word will get out.
-V
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by SuicideNinja (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» Uh...
"quality of sound a video what a load of crap. It's all the same data and I go for the disc that holds the most data.
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Blu-ray discs were using MPEG2 until recently, where HD-DVDs have been using VC-1/MPEG4 the whole time. There is a reason Blu-ray has been getting horrible reviews. The initial buggy player didn't help either.
Anyone who thinks the PS3 is going to propel Blu-ray into the limelight is simply naive. Movies are going to matter, not games for consoles. HD-DVD is the best choice for consumers, where Blu-ray is the best choice for corporations. This is why more consumers buy HD-DVD and more corporations support Blu-ray.
thedvdwars.com
"you want the ULTIMATE 1080P exerience then buy a ps3"
You do know that LCD and Plasma televisions only display a progressive signal, right? And 1080i and 1080p are the SAME resolution? So guess what these new televisions do? Convert 1080i to 1080p. So when you're gaming, you won't notice the difference.
*shakes head at fanboys*
"quality of sound a video what a load of crap. It's all the same data and I go for the disc that holds the most data.
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Blu-ray discs were using MPEG2 until recently, where HD-DVDs have been using VC-1/MPEG4 the whole time. There is a reason Blu-ray has been getting horrible reviews. The initial buggy player didn't help either.
Anyone who thinks the PS3 is going to propel Blu-ray into the limelight is simply naive. Movies are going to matter, not games for consoles. HD-DVD is the best choice for consumers, where Blu-ray is the best choice for corporations. This is why more consumers buy HD-DVD and more corporations support Blu-ray.
thedvdwars.com
"you want the ULTIMATE 1080P exerience then buy a ps3"
You do know that LCD and Plasma televisions only display a progressive signal, right? And 1080i and 1080p are the SAME resolution? So guess what these new televisions do? Convert 1080i to 1080p. So when you're gaming, you won't notice the difference.
*shakes head at fanboys*
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by darkdreamr (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» .
But what your failing to see is
1. sony didnt introduce CD games in the market. Sega did. Sony was originally making their CD add on for Nintendo when nintendo Dissed them and went for phillips.
2. CD and DVD Media did not have a direct competitor in its field. there was no other option. the ONLY option was the best option
I think most of all is that anyone whos buying a Blue Ray player (not ps3) should be most worried because sony has a horrid track record with media that THEY put out into the market (UMD, BetaMax, Mini Disk). I dont think that the movie companys are supporting sonys blue ray because it holds more space.
they are supporting it because after the ps3 comes out.. there will be alot more blue ray movie players in homes then HD-DVD.
Problem is personally i dont think everyone should be switching over to them anyways. Everyone now has a DVD player in their home. for the most part we have finally got rid of VCR tech. and should let things settle.
blue ray's format is going to DEPEND solely on PS3 performance. if PS3 fails to catch on with the average everyday person.. then you can kiss blue ray support goodbye.
But what your failing to see is
1. sony didnt introduce CD games in the market. Sega did. Sony was originally making their CD add on for Nintendo when nintendo Dissed them and went for phillips.
2. CD and DVD Media did not have a direct competitor in its field. there was no other option. the ONLY option was the best option
I think most of all is that anyone whos buying a Blue Ray player (not ps3) should be most worried because sony has a horrid track record with media that THEY put out into the market (UMD, BetaMax, Mini Disk). I dont think that the movie companys are supporting sonys blue ray because it holds more space.
they are supporting it because after the ps3 comes out.. there will be alot more blue ray movie players in homes then HD-DVD.
Problem is personally i dont think everyone should be switching over to them anyways. Everyone now has a DVD player in their home. for the most part we have finally got rid of VCR tech. and should let things settle.
blue ray's format is going to DEPEND solely on PS3 performance. if PS3 fails to catch on with the average everyday person.. then you can kiss blue ray support goodbye.
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by Like mine with lettuce and tomato (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» Not quite #4
More data space doesn't mean "true HD" AND not to mention, this isn't a discussion of 360 vs PS3.
I'm discussing next gen video formats - so I'm not even sure what you are yammering on about the N64, etc.
The 360 won't display in 1080P - you are correct - but HD-DVD will.
Also, please explain these "PROVEN FACTS" that you speak of. Facts about hardware that hasn't been released? This is called wishful thinking, not facts.
Maybe when you learn how to debate ON TOPIC, you should take your own advise and think before you talk.
More data space doesn't mean "true HD" AND not to mention, this isn't a discussion of 360 vs PS3.
I'm discussing next gen video formats - so I'm not even sure what you are yammering on about the N64, etc.
The 360 won't display in 1080P - you are correct - but HD-DVD will.
Also, please explain these "PROVEN FACTS" that you speak of. Facts about hardware that hasn't been released? This is called wishful thinking, not facts.
Maybe when you learn how to debate ON TOPIC, you should take your own advise and think before you talk.
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by babyg (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» babyg
» Not quite #4
More data space doesn't mean "true HD" AND not to mention, this isn't a discussion of 360 vs PS3.
I'm discussing next gen video formats - so I'm not even sure what you are yammering on about the N64, etc.
The 360 won't display in 1080P - you are correct - but HD-DVD will.
Also, please explain these "PROVEN FACTS" that you speak of. Facts about hardware that hasn't been released? This is called wishful thinking, not facts.
Maybe when you learn how to debate ON TOPIC, you should take your own advise and think before you talk.
by Like mine with lettuce and tomato (Unregistered), at Sep 19, 2006 at 11:18AM
lmao i am on topic...mr.i cant read....
and i never mentioned the xbox360 versus the ps3.....
ill put it in crude lamens terms for you then....
#1)every system that sony launched had a new format in it...
ps1 = cd
ps2 = dvd
ps3 = blu-ray
so it is logical to take the next step up, and put in a blu-ray player instead of using a old dvd player....... right or wrong?......... if im wrong then what format would you use in the ps3?...im curious to know what you as a sony executive would use....?
#2 the PROVEN FACTS that i was talking about was that the ps3 is more powerful then the 360.....
#3 to SuicideNinja... i clearly stated on how i was not a fanboy... last gen was the xbox for me... why?... because it was more powerful.... when i go for things i go for raw power..... i guess because i am a man and i like having the most power.......
#4 i dont care about the 1080i/1080p war going on....."oh it displayes a better resoloution" "oh it wont matter when gaming" my ps3 is in my room and i wont be watching blu-ray on it.......... i will have my windows vista with a x-fi pro, sound card...... and when the directx10 cards come out i will have quad sli dx10 cards...... i think that will suash the ps3 and 360 and wii all together........ the only reason i care that the ps3 can run 1080p, is because that shows its more powerful and capable of doing more things then the 360.......
#5 yea HD-DVD won the format war?...not we now have the dual layer blu-ray disks and things are gonna get messy.... i for one support blu-ray because of the storage capacity....... i know i to get the stomatch felling that it will fail..... like the umd, beta...... i know i know..... i just like it better because of raaw power......
#6 and for all the people that say "oh no one buys HD-TV's theyll settle for the cheaper ones....... your so wrong and i want you to look at this..... http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126759-c,hdtv/article.html
...... what do people buy tv's for? they buy them because they want them...... people dont buy tv's because they need them.... just like cars.... if everyone bought one because they needed them then why would you get a big azz hummer?... the gass guzzler?...they bought it because it looked good and they wanted it...... people want HD-tvs now...... they probobly dont know what the hell hd is...... like my auntie she has like a 50 inch 1080p hd tv from sony............ and she has a dvd player running at 480p..... does she know about high def?...not at all.... but she bought the hd-tv because it was big as hell and looked good......
oh yea and i still getz mad puzzy foo!
» Not quite #4
More data space doesn't mean "true HD" AND not to mention, this isn't a discussion of 360 vs PS3.
I'm discussing next gen video formats - so I'm not even sure what you are yammering on about the N64, etc.
The 360 won't display in 1080P - you are correct - but HD-DVD will.
Also, please explain these "PROVEN FACTS" that you speak of. Facts about hardware that hasn't been released? This is called wishful thinking, not facts.
Maybe when you learn how to debate ON TOPIC, you should take your own advise and think before you talk.
by Like mine with lettuce and tomato (Unregistered), at Sep 19, 2006 at 11:18AM
lmao i am on topic...mr.i cant read....
and i never mentioned the xbox360 versus the ps3.....
ill put it in crude lamens terms for you then....
#1)every system that sony launched had a new format in it...
ps1 = cd
ps2 = dvd
ps3 = blu-ray
so it is logical to take the next step up, and put in a blu-ray player instead of using a old dvd player....... right or wrong?......... if im wrong then what format would you use in the ps3?...im curious to know what you as a sony executive would use....?
#2 the PROVEN FACTS that i was talking about was that the ps3 is more powerful then the 360.....
#3 to SuicideNinja... i clearly stated on how i was not a fanboy... last gen was the xbox for me... why?... because it was more powerful.... when i go for things i go for raw power..... i guess because i am a man and i like having the most power.......
#4 i dont care about the 1080i/1080p war going on....."oh it displayes a better resoloution" "oh it wont matter when gaming" my ps3 is in my room and i wont be watching blu-ray on it.......... i will have my windows vista with a x-fi pro, sound card...... and when the directx10 cards come out i will have quad sli dx10 cards...... i think that will suash the ps3 and 360 and wii all together........ the only reason i care that the ps3 can run 1080p, is because that shows its more powerful and capable of doing more things then the 360.......
#5 yea HD-DVD won the format war?...not we now have the dual layer blu-ray disks and things are gonna get messy.... i for one support blu-ray because of the storage capacity....... i know i to get the stomatch felling that it will fail..... like the umd, beta...... i know i know..... i just like it better because of raaw power......
#6 and for all the people that say "oh no one buys HD-TV's theyll settle for the cheaper ones....... your so wrong and i want you to look at this..... http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126759-c,hdtv/article.html
...... what do people buy tv's for? they buy them because they want them...... people dont buy tv's because they need them.... just like cars.... if everyone bought one because they needed them then why would you get a big azz hummer?... the gass guzzler?...they bought it because it looked good and they wanted it...... people want HD-tvs now...... they probobly dont know what the hell hd is...... like my auntie she has like a 50 inch 1080p hd tv from sony............ and she has a dvd player running at 480p..... does she know about high def?...not at all.... but she bought the hd-tv because it was big as hell and looked good......
oh yea and i still getz mad puzzy foo!
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by Vice (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» #8
how did sega intraduce cd to the market, to be able to do that they need to sell at least 6 mil units, sega bombed with there cd drive just cause they didnt sell enough. playstation introduced the cd drive cause they sold over 20mil units making cd drives a standard. the same thing happened with the ps2 and the dvd-drive, unlike the xbox which u have to buy an add-on. the ps2 was the whole reason y people are enjoying dvd's, cause sony brought it out a standard as well.
you cant introduce a new technology to the market if you dont even have a frickin market to introduce it to. and sega lost there market after releasin too many gonowhere consoles, genesis was there only success and they didnt even have enough software support left. o and the sega cd couldnt even display 3d whilst the playstation did.
so introducing us to a new HD format is goin to standardize it the markets, which will bring down the prices of HDTV's.
the war rages in japan whoever wins japan will win the market, japan is the most advanced in technology gains and japs love technology.
universal is the only one on the list that isnt backin blu-ray, the other 2 on the hd-dvd list are neutral supporting both formats. if sony wins a little support from universal the format war will be over.
either way i like both formats they both have HD features, but havin it in a console iss a major plus fore me, and not having to add it on is also good.
how did sega intraduce cd to the market, to be able to do that they need to sell at least 6 mil units, sega bombed with there cd drive just cause they didnt sell enough. playstation introduced the cd drive cause they sold over 20mil units making cd drives a standard. the same thing happened with the ps2 and the dvd-drive, unlike the xbox which u have to buy an add-on. the ps2 was the whole reason y people are enjoying dvd's, cause sony brought it out a standard as well.
you cant introduce a new technology to the market if you dont even have a frickin market to introduce it to. and sega lost there market after releasin too many gonowhere consoles, genesis was there only success and they didnt even have enough software support left. o and the sega cd couldnt even display 3d whilst the playstation did.
so introducing us to a new HD format is goin to standardize it the markets, which will bring down the prices of HDTV's.
the war rages in japan whoever wins japan will win the market, japan is the most advanced in technology gains and japs love technology.
universal is the only one on the list that isnt backin blu-ray, the other 2 on the hd-dvd list are neutral supporting both formats. if sony wins a little support from universal the format war will be over.
either way i like both formats they both have HD features, but havin it in a console iss a major plus fore me, and not having to add it on is also good.
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by Figboy (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» *shrug*
what i find interesting, is that most "journalists" over the net, when discussing the pros and cons of HD DVD and Blu Ray, always hop on Blu Ray for being the most expensive.
here's a bit of info about that to help bring a balanced opinion of the debate:
HD DVD players currently support 720p, and retail for $500 (whoo hoo! cheap!)
HD DVD is coming out, or already has on the market, a 1080p player that will retail for...wait for it....$900-$1000 (wait a minute...).
Blu Ray players support, at max 1080p, and retail for $1000 and up (ouch, costly)
the PS3 supports, at maximum, 1080p, and retails for....$500 and $600 (the $500 model also supports 1080p via component cable, but you'll be hard pressed to find a *TV* that supports that setup, but that doesn't mean the feature all together should be dismissed. it supports it. period). and it plays video games, something stand alone HD DVD and Blu Ray players don't do.
point is, Blu Ray has a cheaper alternative, at the best maximum resolution setting (1080p), than HD DVD.
if you want a comparable HD DVD picture at 1080p, you'll have to buy the $900-$1000 player.
if you want a 1080p picture for less than $1000, you'll go with a PS3. and have the added benefit (if you're a movie buff first, gamer second) of playing your PS1, PS2, and PS3 games out of one box. if you're a gamer first, movie buff second (like me), the fact that your PS3 plays a high quality movie format (as well as your current DVD collection, but at 720p), at it's highest resolution is a nice bonus, especially if you have the setup. also, if your in the market for a high def experience anyway, chances are you either have the setup for it, or are planning to have the setup at some point in the future. at which point the $500 and $600 price of the PS3 will be much cheaper (by the time i get my 40 inch 1080p HD TV, there will probably be a price drop for the PS3 to about $400/$500. also, movies like Spider-Man 3 will be out, as well as the obligatory, eleventy billionth release of the Star Wars Trilogy. to name just a few of the potential titles that will be available on Blu Ray in the next year or two. did i forget to mention that Blu Ray has the support of 7 of the 8 major motion picture studios, as well as the exclusive support of the Porn Industry? well, Blu Ray does).
bottom line, considering all of the facts surrounding the two formats so far, Blu Ray is the better deal (at least in the eyes of movie fans). the price of movies is the same as HD DVD, it has more support, the price of the actual players is comparable, and better (when considering the 1080p difference) than HD DVD. and the quality of the actual movies and sound will improve vastly once studios stop using the antiquated Mpeg 2 codec (Blu Ray supports the fancy VC-1, or whatever the codec is called, but studios seem to be hesitant to use it for some reason). and also, the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market will play three generations of Playstation games. and for $500/$600. *shrugs* i don't know. it seems like a deal to me.
what i find interesting, is that most "journalists" over the net, when discussing the pros and cons of HD DVD and Blu Ray, always hop on Blu Ray for being the most expensive.
here's a bit of info about that to help bring a balanced opinion of the debate:
HD DVD players currently support 720p, and retail for $500 (whoo hoo! cheap!)
HD DVD is coming out, or already has on the market, a 1080p player that will retail for...wait for it....$900-$1000 (wait a minute...).
Blu Ray players support, at max 1080p, and retail for $1000 and up (ouch, costly)
the PS3 supports, at maximum, 1080p, and retails for....$500 and $600 (the $500 model also supports 1080p via component cable, but you'll be hard pressed to find a *TV* that supports that setup, but that doesn't mean the feature all together should be dismissed. it supports it. period). and it plays video games, something stand alone HD DVD and Blu Ray players don't do.
point is, Blu Ray has a cheaper alternative, at the best maximum resolution setting (1080p), than HD DVD.
if you want a comparable HD DVD picture at 1080p, you'll have to buy the $900-$1000 player.
if you want a 1080p picture for less than $1000, you'll go with a PS3. and have the added benefit (if you're a movie buff first, gamer second) of playing your PS1, PS2, and PS3 games out of one box. if you're a gamer first, movie buff second (like me), the fact that your PS3 plays a high quality movie format (as well as your current DVD collection, but at 720p), at it's highest resolution is a nice bonus, especially if you have the setup. also, if your in the market for a high def experience anyway, chances are you either have the setup for it, or are planning to have the setup at some point in the future. at which point the $500 and $600 price of the PS3 will be much cheaper (by the time i get my 40 inch 1080p HD TV, there will probably be a price drop for the PS3 to about $400/$500. also, movies like Spider-Man 3 will be out, as well as the obligatory, eleventy billionth release of the Star Wars Trilogy. to name just a few of the potential titles that will be available on Blu Ray in the next year or two. did i forget to mention that Blu Ray has the support of 7 of the 8 major motion picture studios, as well as the exclusive support of the Porn Industry? well, Blu Ray does).
bottom line, considering all of the facts surrounding the two formats so far, Blu Ray is the better deal (at least in the eyes of movie fans). the price of movies is the same as HD DVD, it has more support, the price of the actual players is comparable, and better (when considering the 1080p difference) than HD DVD. and the quality of the actual movies and sound will improve vastly once studios stop using the antiquated Mpeg 2 codec (Blu Ray supports the fancy VC-1, or whatever the codec is called, but studios seem to be hesitant to use it for some reason). and also, the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market will play three generations of Playstation games. and for $500/$600. *shrugs* i don't know. it seems like a deal to me.
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» Paramount and Warner Bros support Blu-Ray as well.
Universal is the only exclusive HDDVD exclusive movie studio. In other words the true question in this war is would you buy a HDDVD player just to play Universal Movies?
Universal will most likely join at the start of 2007 after the release of the PS3. It's inevitable. Just because Toshiba had a head start it doesn't mean they will not get overshadowed by the various Sony, Pioneer, Samsung, Panasonic players coming in the next few months. Currently they are beating Samsung and Samsung's only player. Very soon it will be one company (Toshiba) against the world. How ironic that HDDVD seems more like Betamax when it comes to support yet people associate it more with blu-ray just because of Sony backing it like they did DVD and CD formats but they forget just about every other manufacture that has a heavy investment in Blu-Ray.
BTW HDDVD is winning right now (due to their lead) but is sad that they are not even winning by much with a 6 month lead not to mention Toshiba is rumored to be taking a loss on the players to get a better handle on the market. 30k -50k HDVD players sold by the end of the year vs what the PS3 will sell? no contest and that's just one player.
Universal is the only exclusive HDDVD exclusive movie studio. In other words the true question in this war is would you buy a HDDVD player just to play Universal Movies?
Universal will most likely join at the start of 2007 after the release of the PS3. It's inevitable. Just because Toshiba had a head start it doesn't mean they will not get overshadowed by the various Sony, Pioneer, Samsung, Panasonic players coming in the next few months. Currently they are beating Samsung and Samsung's only player. Very soon it will be one company (Toshiba) against the world. How ironic that HDDVD seems more like Betamax when it comes to support yet people associate it more with blu-ray just because of Sony backing it like they did DVD and CD formats but they forget just about every other manufacture that has a heavy investment in Blu-Ray.
BTW HDDVD is winning right now (due to their lead) but is sad that they are not even winning by much with a 6 month lead not to mention Toshiba is rumored to be taking a loss on the players to get a better handle on the market. 30k -50k HDVD players sold by the end of the year vs what the PS3 will sell? no contest and that's just one player.
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by TheProfessor - 2006-09-19 |
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» Some replies
"You do know that LCD and Plasma televisions only display a progressive signal, right? And 1080i and 1080p are the SAME resolution? So guess what these new televisions do? Convert 1080i to 1080p. So when you're gaming, you won't notice the difference. "
Yes they are. But you are quite mistaken 1080 I is equivalent to 720P not 1080P. You can upscale from 720P to 1080P, heck you can even upscale 480P to 1080P but we are talking about native resolution here. Otherwise Nintendo could claim that they support 1080P =) all you have to do is upscale. 1080i is a scam used to confuse consumers into thinking it's a better resolution where in fact 1080i display worst than 720P. Interlace FTL.
Figboy you forgot to mention that the cheaper version of Toshiba HDDVD player does not support HDMI and neither will the 360 add-on. HDMI is expensive to implement because is a new technology standard.
"You do know that LCD and Plasma televisions only display a progressive signal, right? And 1080i and 1080p are the SAME resolution? So guess what these new televisions do? Convert 1080i to 1080p. So when you're gaming, you won't notice the difference. "
Yes they are. But you are quite mistaken 1080 I is equivalent to 720P not 1080P. You can upscale from 720P to 1080P, heck you can even upscale 480P to 1080P but we are talking about native resolution here. Otherwise Nintendo could claim that they support 1080P =) all you have to do is upscale. 1080i is a scam used to confuse consumers into thinking it's a better resolution where in fact 1080i display worst than 720P. Interlace FTL.
Figboy you forgot to mention that the cheaper version of Toshiba HDDVD player does not support HDMI and neither will the 360 add-on. HDMI is expensive to implement because is a new technology standard.
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by some guy (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» hard to tell
I'm more pro HD DVD. But from what I've seen Blu-Ray is getting more advertising and even if more people side with HD DVD, there will still be Blu-Ray discs for PS3 games and maybe even movies even after they aren't doing so well (maybe like Indie skate videos like they do for UMD). Anyways, I think HD DVD has potential to fail, even if it's doing so well, but I doubt that Blu-Ray would dissapear.
I'm more pro HD DVD. But from what I've seen Blu-Ray is getting more advertising and even if more people side with HD DVD, there will still be Blu-Ray discs for PS3 games and maybe even movies even after they aren't doing so well (maybe like Indie skate videos like they do for UMD). Anyways, I think HD DVD has potential to fail, even if it's doing so well, but I doubt that Blu-Ray would dissapear.
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by Figboy (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» to Professor
ahh, i didn't know the cheap Toshiba didn't support HDMI, but i knew the 360 add-on didn't. i don't count the 360 add-on, simply because it's useless without a 360. i'm expecting it to run about $200 here in the states, and coupled with the $300 or $400 360, it's still the same price as a PS3 (both versions), and it still doesn't offer what the PS3 does (resolution wise).
ahh, i didn't know the cheap Toshiba didn't support HDMI, but i knew the 360 add-on didn't. i don't count the 360 add-on, simply because it's useless without a 360. i'm expecting it to run about $200 here in the states, and coupled with the $300 or $400 360, it's still the same price as a PS3 (both versions), and it still doesn't offer what the PS3 does (resolution wise).
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by darkdreamr (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» #11
Im sorry but i think you have your definition of "Introduce" wrong.
theres a BIG differance in introduction and making something popular.
Sony made the CD Game market popular.
but it was not the first to introduce it into the market.
thats like saying JIF was the company that introduced peanut butter to people when we know it was George washington carver that introduced it first
Failure of a system doesnt mean it didnt exist.
Besides this agrument of sony bringing media to the market is still moot because none of the medias it introduced had a direct competitor like HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray
DVD and CD were unmatched in their introduction.
Storage space does not mean success. Nor does a better product. one only needs to look at the psp vs DS war to see that.
the DS has both inferior storage and specs but it has a 10+ million system lead worldwide on the PSP.
the war will be won with how many customers have the player in their homes.
i still stand by my word when i say.. if the PS3 Fails so will Blu-Ray.
Im sorry but i think you have your definition of "Introduce" wrong.
theres a BIG differance in introduction and making something popular.
Sony made the CD Game market popular.
but it was not the first to introduce it into the market.
thats like saying JIF was the company that introduced peanut butter to people when we know it was George washington carver that introduced it first
Failure of a system doesnt mean it didnt exist.
Besides this agrument of sony bringing media to the market is still moot because none of the medias it introduced had a direct competitor like HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray
DVD and CD were unmatched in their introduction.
Storage space does not mean success. Nor does a better product. one only needs to look at the psp vs DS war to see that.
the DS has both inferior storage and specs but it has a 10+ million system lead worldwide on the PSP.
the war will be won with how many customers have the player in their homes.
i still stand by my word when i say.. if the PS3 Fails so will Blu-Ray.
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by GamesFan (Unregistered) - 2006-09-19 |
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» #14
>"1080i is a scam used to confuse consumers into thinking it's a better resolution where in fact 1080i display worst than 720P. Interlace FTL."
The maximum resolution offered by HDTV around the world is 1080i, not 1080p, so have we ALL been scammed when watching HDTV (both satellite and terestrial broadcasts)?
Sorry, but what you've said is rubbish. 1080i is the same resolution as 1080p, except half the lines are displayed per field scan. At 60 fields per second, a maximum framerate of 30fps is attained. Hence it's in the interest of TV producers to have decent deinterlacing technology in their products, and therefore for a TV that deinterlaces properly, there is no difference between 1080i and 1080p at framerate up to 30fps (as reported on websites dedicated to high-end TV technology).
On a cheap 1080p TV that has poor deinterlacing technology, then yes, 1080i will appear worse, but this is not exclusive to gaming, this will also apply to HDTV broadcasts (such as those from Sky).
Hence you get what you paid for!
>"1080i is a scam used to confuse consumers into thinking it's a better resolution where in fact 1080i display worst than 720P. Interlace FTL."
The maximum resolution offered by HDTV around the world is 1080i, not 1080p, so have we ALL been scammed when watching HDTV (both satellite and terestrial broadcasts)?
Sorry, but what you've said is rubbish. 1080i is the same resolution as 1080p, except half the lines are displayed per field scan. At 60 fields per second, a maximum framerate of 30fps is attained. Hence it's in the interest of TV producers to have decent deinterlacing technology in their products, and therefore for a TV that deinterlaces properly, there is no difference between 1080i and 1080p at framerate up to 30fps (as reported on websites dedicated to high-end TV technology).
On a cheap 1080p TV that has poor deinterlacing technology, then yes, 1080i will appear worse, but this is not exclusive to gaming, this will also apply to HDTV broadcasts (such as those from Sky).
Hence you get what you paid for!
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by NonPartisanCon (Unregistered) - 2006-09-20 |
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» This is so stupid.
The Blu-ray has more storage capacity and higher data transfer rates than the HD-DVD. Arguing which is superior is futile because the numbers speak for themselves.
On the other hand, for certain applications HD-DVD is more pratical FOR THE TIME BEING. What we see here isn't necessarily a battle between technologies but rather shameless corporate solicitation for technology not to far from what is already present in the light of an already existing and much more capable technological solution. HD-DVD will be mediocre in the near future considering the rate at which HD technologies and other technologies are increasing. Rather than arguing which is better at the moment, question which will continue to be useful in the future.
The Blu-ray has more storage capacity and higher data transfer rates than the HD-DVD. Arguing which is superior is futile because the numbers speak for themselves.
On the other hand, for certain applications HD-DVD is more pratical FOR THE TIME BEING. What we see here isn't necessarily a battle between technologies but rather shameless corporate solicitation for technology not to far from what is already present in the light of an already existing and much more capable technological solution. HD-DVD will be mediocre in the near future considering the rate at which HD technologies and other technologies are increasing. Rather than arguing which is better at the moment, question which will continue to be useful in the future.
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by GamesFan (Unregistered) - 2006-09-20 |
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» #19
"HD-DVD will be mediocre in the near future considering the rate at which HD technologies and other technologies are increasing."
Nope. It may not be the absolute best in terms of specification, but then neither was VHS, but it is perfectly fine for the HD movies of today and in the future.
"HD-DVD will be mediocre in the near future considering the rate at which HD technologies and other technologies are increasing."
Nope. It may not be the absolute best in terms of specification, but then neither was VHS, but it is perfectly fine for the HD movies of today and in the future.
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by munkeyfeet (Unregistered) - 2006-09-21 |
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» SHUT UP ABOUT THE 1080p - 360 has that too!!!
a software update this year will enable 1080p output on the friggin' Xbox 360! Your rig will finally benefit by pushing the full 60 megapixels per second of visuals to your compatible HDTV. Sorry, no HDMI cable yet (or ever?), though, this is only over component and VGA. Users can expect 1080p upscaling immediately on current games and DVDs and native 1080p on compatible HD DVD titles, but Microsoft hasn't yet announced future games that will rock 1080p natively. Watch out Sony, that whole 1080p song and dance isn't such a marketing edge for you guys anymore.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/20/xbox-360-adds-1080p-hd-dvd-drive-for-nove
mber-17th-in-japan/
a software update this year will enable 1080p output on the friggin' Xbox 360! Your rig will finally benefit by pushing the full 60 megapixels per second of visuals to your compatible HDTV. Sorry, no HDMI cable yet (or ever?), though, this is only over component and VGA. Users can expect 1080p upscaling immediately on current games and DVDs and native 1080p on compatible HD DVD titles, but Microsoft hasn't yet announced future games that will rock 1080p natively. Watch out Sony, that whole 1080p song and dance isn't such a marketing edge for you guys anymore.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/20/xbox-360-adds-1080p-hd-dvd-drive-for-nove
mber-17th-in-japan/
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by ?+?™ (Unregistered) - 2006-10-12 |
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» Joe Bloe...
Some professors are nutty and will go to any lengths to prove it.
720 is the current resolution on a normal DVD. 1080i (interlace) is the highest resolution that can be offered by the player providing the movies are the same. (Most new ones are 1080i. The images even in a HD DVD are scanned using the progressive method.
1080p (progressive scans) gives better image quality at the same resolution due to the way the images are scanned from the source. Now the point is even if Bluray gives this quality, I am yet to hear of one movie with this resolution. Even Matrix with all the animation and hype is 1080i. So in the end, Sony would first have to change from the 1080i format to 1080p format and then showcase it as 1080p. But by doing so, the grains and distortions would also increase from the original master copy. So the only thing it is adding to the original quality is the distortion. In contrast, the HD DVD just needs to scan it progressively and display it interlace. It means the same quality is maintained. ( As the master copy)
The only advantage for the Bluray is its space even with better codecs since I am yet to hear of a movie in 1080p format. And that can be its only sell point logically, but Sony has failed to capture on its USP by not releasing recorders first. It would have clicked in the markets for backups. (Most corporations would have opted for it) It could have blown over through an alternate route. When similar marketing campaigns are used and the the other looks the winner, it is wiser to change tack and market it with the space advantage. It would have been an instant hit!
But then that's Sony, they never realize from past mistakes...
Some professors are nutty and will go to any lengths to prove it.
720 is the current resolution on a normal DVD. 1080i (interlace) is the highest resolution that can be offered by the player providing the movies are the same. (Most new ones are 1080i. The images even in a HD DVD are scanned using the progressive method.
1080p (progressive scans) gives better image quality at the same resolution due to the way the images are scanned from the source. Now the point is even if Bluray gives this quality, I am yet to hear of one movie with this resolution. Even Matrix with all the animation and hype is 1080i. So in the end, Sony would first have to change from the 1080i format to 1080p format and then showcase it as 1080p. But by doing so, the grains and distortions would also increase from the original master copy. So the only thing it is adding to the original quality is the distortion. In contrast, the HD DVD just needs to scan it progressively and display it interlace. It means the same quality is maintained. ( As the master copy)
The only advantage for the Bluray is its space even with better codecs since I am yet to hear of a movie in 1080p format. And that can be its only sell point logically, but Sony has failed to capture on its USP by not releasing recorders first. It would have clicked in the markets for backups. (Most corporations would have opted for it) It could have blown over through an alternate route. When similar marketing campaigns are used and the the other looks the winner, it is wiser to change tack and market it with the space advantage. It would have been an instant hit!
But then that's Sony, they never realize from past mistakes...
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