Posted Jan 11, 2007 at 09:45PM by Kristine C. Listed in: Gadgets, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 Tags: CES, VHS, Betamax
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Lights! Action!!Well, despite efforts to reconcile the two opposing formats, it looks like a winner may be declared after all - by the adult movie industry nonetheless.

In any case, the adult entertainment industry holds an annual get-together of its own which coincides with the CES. Now, if one is to recall the old war between Betamax and VHS, it has to be noted that the VHS won because the adult industry preferred it over its competitor.

When asked why they preferred the HD DVD better than the Blu-Ray, companies such as Pink Visual and Bangbros have pointed out that Blu-Ray is just too expensive. According to the spokesperson of Bangbros,

Blu-ray has superior quality, yes, but HD DVD is easier to produce, cheaper to produce and there are more HD DVD players in homes than there are Blu-ray players, for example in the Xbox 360.


Meanwhile, Pink Visual's complaint was that "Blu-ray discs cannot be replicated", and other companies also agreed that the sheer cost of producing their movies on Blu-Ray does not make it a good candidate as a possible HD solution for their line of work.


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   by Dj Natas (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » Horse crap Vivid Entertainment is owned by Disney

nuff said!!!! And why bother 90 percent of porn is now downloaded!


   Re: Crazy Mofo (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » So Sad

And Sony says: Not again!!!!! Damn you, pr0n!!!!!

   Re: Chaka (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » Owned

thats it HD-DVD won!

   Re: heath (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » sony fanboys

I heard there was a new river that just formed from all of the silly sony fanboys tears. M$ wins this round fanboys so get over it and quit being a stupid fanboy.

   Re: Cac (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » ...

Look who's talking, xbot... Why is it that you xbox fanboys must come on to these blogs to insult the PS3 every time an article of this nature appears.. Do us all a favor and f#ck off, alright?
   by iNCREDiPiNOY - 2007-01-11
 » I hate Porn!

They don't make porn anymore, they just uploaded with their Cellphone!


   Re: RommelTJ - 2007-01-11
 » Not only that,

most porn 'movies' are very 'short'(no pun intended). The run between 1 hour and 1:30hrs in average. It's obvious that they don't need BLuRay discs.
   by lala (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » hahah

shows how much knoledge porn industry has SOLD MORE UNITS THAN BLURAY ????? pathetic ok if this is true whos gunna watch pron on there systems F bangbros

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   by Shatterdome - 2007-01-11
 » haha

It's funny though, because it's true....if most porn studios HD-DVD then it's over, except for a small few that will use blu-ray because it's on their PS3....

   by holycrap (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » I'd love the HD detail...

but idk... hooking an HDDVD player to the HDTV to watch HD moaning... oh what the hell I'm in

   by neok182 (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » wow

for one, why would the porn industry even need HD? almost everyone downloads it. not many people actually want it on disk anymore.

and aside from that, with the way TV is coming and how it's getting easier and easier to download movies/TV shows. neither HDDVD or blu-ray is going to win cause 5-10 years down the road were just gonna download everything and burn it on whatever we want. or we could put it on our home server and watch it on our PC, TV, Xbox, ect.

though VHS won cause the industry went with it. so i guess if there is a winner between BR and HD it'll be HD.

   by lol (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » lol

umm, their statement on blu-ray players is false.

there are 1 million + PS3's shipped and 800,00+ sold while only 130,00+ HDDVD players are sold. So their statement that there are more HDDVD players because of the 360 is false, it is actually vice versa


   Re: and? (Unregistered) - 2007-01-13
 » AND?

you think that the 1 million people who bought the ps3 are going to buy porn? They don't give a ***** about the ps3.

Give me a link to your "other" units...800K blu ray? Whatever.

   Re: Lurker (Unregistered) - 2007-01-16
 » Umm, you dont understand lol

Sure there is maybe 800000+ Ps3s sold. But Every HDDVD addon drive sold is being used of only for moveis. They cant bank on PS3 numbers, becasue there is no way of knowing how many are being used for movies. And FYI, Hd-DVD is outselling 6to1 and will have a under $300 player out for summer.
   by lopp (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » all about the consuner

altogether the cost for both hd and blue ray disc player is high so alot of people dont have it. so one way to choose which format to use can be decided based on 360s and ps3s sold. The hd would be a great option because of the cost of 360 however u have to buy the hd player seprate which is about 200.00 dollars more out of your pocket while ps3 has bluy ray installed from the start for which is convient for high def and is a great cost for a blue ray player compare to 1000.00 to 800.00 dollars. also a bonus for both are they a gaming systems.

In my opinion ps3 is better because blue ray is better resolution for about same as a 360 and hd player drive. and even though more people are buying 360 they want more bang for their buck so in about a year ir more the sales will pick up.(also many people have 360 i even have one because it was cheaper than ps3 and i wasn't waiting to buy a system with next to releases and the prices being very high). But in decision for better quality for less is ps3 and once its pr ice drops and people realize and its core is really tested with new games andothers things it will fly off the shelf again including many blueray movies


   Re: PTSnake - 2007-01-12
 » >(

no it doesn't. PS3 won't damm output those 1080p, it just upscales 720p. Dammit.

   Re: anon (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » upscale

as far as im aware ps3 doesnt upscale anything? wasnt that what all the people who had crap hd tv were complaining about last month?

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   Re: sabors (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » upscaling

PS3 does not do any upscaling. Only cheat HDTV's that say they do 1080p was upscaling 720p. Don't blame the system for the tv companies deceptions.
   by Annony - 2007-01-11
 » What kind of logic is this??

First off: Letting the PORN industry decide??

Secondly: " there are more HD DVD players in homes... for example IN the Xbox 360."
'IN'? Do they know which system is which, and which which has what? ...wait... what?

Third: "Blu-ray discs cannot be replicated"
THAT'S THE GODDAMN POINT! Movie piracy is the leading reason why the film industry wants us to switch to a new format!!

Retarded... just retarded...


   Re: matt54 (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » blu-ray allows copying

blu-ray allows copying, easily... sony is making it easy for groups to steal the movie...

   Re: PTSnake - 2007-01-13
 » LOL

wrong. you hit the bottom line there. It's always the porn industry AND piracy who decide wich format wins...

Betamax vs VHS... winner? VHS. Why? piracy, porn, etc.

CD vs Minidisk... same has above.

Mini-DVD vs UMD... ir repeats itself

now you have BluRay vs HD DVD
   by Vietone - 2007-01-11
 » One company says their choosing HD DVD and its over?

I have never heard of either comapny but I heard that companies like Vivid are supporting blu-ray for the stronger protection.

As of now, HD DVD is pretty much wide open while blu-ray is still untouched.

Bangbros doesnt make DVDs as far as I know since everything they make is downloaded.


   Re: lala (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » true

wht the hell i thought in the first article were they said the P industry decides who will win said Bluray won alredy cuz they chose it and now they chose HD retarded

1 morething vhs was the time when u culdnt download pRon and now even ma lil bro 7 (he dusent do it thoguh) can download it comparing how VHS won to BLURAY AND HD_DVD pathetic u cant make inferenses like this and plus the was like wat 10 years ago or smtn

TIMES HAVE CHANGED PORNIS FREE :)

   Re: Broken_Hero (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » People Prefer to DownLoad Porn...

I Believe That People Prefer To DownLoad Porn Movies Rather Than Buying a Disc

These Are Just Two Companies....While Their Words May Help HD-DVD...There is No Evidence that it,s the [Entire] Industry...Its Just those 2,How did they Manage to make it the Entire Porn Industry [Qj... ;) ]

The Xbox360 Attach rate to HD-DVD addon Is Low.....absolutley Nothing Compared to the Boost Blu-ray Getting from The PS3...By the End of the Year they may be no Less than 8-9 Million Blu-ray Players through the PS3,Fully Capable of 1080P,PCMI uncomressed Audio,and HDCP compliant through HDMI

But there is the Cost Issue....Hopefully,Sony will further Cost reduce the Technology to Increase Profitability.
   by Dj Natas (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » Porn will not decide the new format

the internet is the porn industry today, not dvd sales, those days are over for porn. Blue Ray has the backing of Disney, so little Johnny's parents will be somewhat influenced by Mickey Mouse and Captain Jack Sparrow and not Jenna Jameson!!!

   by true (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » true the internet is a source for porn...

but what is better than letting your huge tv screen display graphic images not caring if the neighbors catch a glipse...

   by not to flame anyone and hopefully i dont get flame (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » but...

to the person that said vivid is deciding to consider blu ray for better protection..thats one thing blu ray lacks on. its very easy to scratch since there not layered correctly, its just single layered. on the otherside hd dvd is dual layered which allows it to have better protection, and the plus point in which i believe hd dvd will have better sells is, hd dvd has movies out now that one side is dvd other is hd, which was a great idea because it gives consumers to still buy the dvd and use it on there regular players, and when they decide to get a new player (either hd dvd or blu ray) the edge would go to hd because if i didn't have one already i would be thinking to myself ''well i already got movies that can play on hd, and it is cheaper''. hd also has a lot of features that i don't see on blu ray, but one thing that i would have to give to blu ray, is the movie line up since sony has produced a lot of movies, (but they also lost lionsgate now but anyway) i mean i wish they would produce them for hd dvd, all i have are just like 5 movies because everything else isn't worth it. the only reason i see upgrading though is for action movies, or anything with high suspense with special effects. (scientific/fictional movies) otherwise why would you sit and watch a movie that is just about talking for like half the movie, or anything stupid like that, now that i would just get for regular dvd it wouldn't be worth the upgrade. now im not flaming no one, this is just an opinion im sharing

both products have there own unique edge in the future and the format war just started, its very far from over


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   Re: Vietone - 2007-01-11
 » Wow your an idiot

When I talked about protection, its protection of the data itself.

If you dont know, they already have fully working decryption software for HD DVD but none for Blu-ray.

In terms of surface protection, HD DVD is as protected as original DVDs, which as everyone knows, isnt that great. Not all HD DVD use a special coating like Blu-ray does to protec the surface, with a Blu-ray, you can run your fingernail across the data surface and you dont see a scratch.

   Re: bub (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » that's just false

Both formats can be single or dual layered. More or less layers do not make a format more or less protected. That's just moot!

As for features, Blu-Ray clearly has more features than HD-DVD. Complete Java implementation with full upgrade-ability standard on all Blu-Ray players, allows for near limitless potential for snazzy extras on discs. This is why Blu-Ray players are currently more expensive than HD-DVD.

   Re: ko (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » you are an idiot

Blu-ray actually have better protection than hd physically... blu-ray have a hard layer of protection that protects waaaaaay better than what hd-dvd has.

   Re: Lurker (Unregistered) - 2007-01-16
 » Vietone, your a retard.

Both Blueray and HD-DVD copy protections have been compromised. Check AVSforum.com or afterdawn if you need to do more research. Clown
   by Euphoria (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » To poster above ^

Hmm... you DO realize that BluRay players can play regular DVD's as well right? The whole HD-DVD on one side and DVD on the other does not apply only to HD-DVD. It is decided by the film companies, if they decide to release it dual layered, then they can very well go ahead and do just that.


   Re: Ka (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » PS3 have BLue ray and DVD

yeah but most of blue rau player which are PS3 have DVD lol
   by Tom (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » makes me wanna cry, i love blu-ray.

i favor blu-ray over hd-dvd. no reason but the fact that i just love the blu-ray movie collection and its space capacity and box design. Have some hd-dvd, but still love blu-ray. No intention of porn purchase whatsoever.

   by poo (Unregistered) - 2007-01-11
 » this is retarded

the price differnece between BR and HD DVD isn't a factor. A dual format HD DVD is in fact more expensive than a BR disc. And that's from Toshiba's mouth.

This news artical is *****e of the most window licking kind

   by CeCiL (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » LOL!

no1 cares about the Porn industry ...

The Internet...

Need i say more?

   by tvizzleprodpro (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » ...

lol... goes to show how much some of you people know about the film/television industry. porn grosses a multiple of what the rest of the film industry does every year in america. it makes more than dvd movies (theatrical releases), video games, and movie theaters... every year. it is the single largest form of home entertainment in the world, in both profit and unit sales.

history lesson... betamax was FAR (and i do mean very, very far) ahead of vhs as far as av quality. did it matter? not one bit. why? because the porn industry backed vhs. since then, home-based medium adult film sales (vhs/dvd) have grown by leaps and bounds every year since their inception.

"noone cares about porn.. it's all on the internet"

whatever man... YOUR porn is all on the internet because you are a computer person... or else you wouldnt be on qj arguing over whose video game console is superior. this isnt the norm. the average person buys porn to watch on tv... not a computer monitor.




   Re: a second opinion (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » f

However if you are thinking... "Hmm I want to watch Hi Def video" will you truly consider which player plays porn? I doubt it. I am going to look for Hollywood titles first, then when I own a player if I was in the store lookin at porn titles Id look for my format. I am under the assertion that people won't consider porn hi def. This is mostly because only enthusiasts really care about upgrading (The difference between DVD to HD is not near the difference between VHS and DVD). Said enthusiasts are not concerned with nipple resolution as much as total experience of Pirates of the Carribean. Thus, in this new gen of format, the porn industry is irrelevant.

PS adult movies didnt destroy betamax, it had more to do with royalties etc. We case studied it in one of my marketing classes.

   Re: Pete (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » Some things were valid, however flawed...

Porn does gross a lot more than some other entertainment mediums, but that would have to largely include the internet porn industry, right? Seems you left that out of the whole equeation which is clearly what everyone else has been saying about the porn industry in the comments.

Another thing that bothers me, is it documented somewhere that VHS far outsold betamax because of porn? Now someone could seriously prove me wrong by saying yes, but just interesting to me...

Back to the argument. Is there a statistical or proof within a document that supports that the average person, which I would consider myself to be, buys porn to watch it on tv? I would think that it would be just the opposite since a lot of average person(s) have the internet and have access to lots of free porn... As I stated, some things were valid, but it was unfortunately flawed.

As for the article, information is power. The porn industry is too busy draining *****es to pay close attention to specifics of the format war. For example, the 360 comment is laughable because they don't understand that the 360 didn't come with HD-DVD, it's an add-on (I see where the mistake could be made seeing as Blu-Ray was standard in the PS3). The cheaper to produce for comment, I'm not sure about that, so I can't argue it's validity. But duplication can't be done with blu-ray, isn't that a good thing? Hopefully someone pulls them to the side and removes their foot out of their digestive tract soon...
   by tvizzleprodpro (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » ...

also... noone here should argue over this whole "high def movie format war" anyway. why? it's simple.

bd-rom and hd-dvd exist for one and only one purpose. to screw you out of your ability to backup your legally purchased (and very fragile) media. high def movies can EASILY fit on dual layer dvd's (look at xblm vc-1 encoded download sizes). you wouldnt be able to have 30 languages on one disc, but really, who is watching underworld in swahili? oh.. and no uncompressed audio. big woop. you couldnt tell the difference with the best home audio setup in the world unless your a complete audiophile.

so basically you're all arguing over who should have the right to screw you in the @$$.


   Re: tpny (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » ...

uh. please actually turn on and HEAR the different between a compressed audio and pcm uncompressed. its like vhs vs dvd all over again. unless you're partially deaf that is.
   by Xeno (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » do we want HD-Porn

the question really is: do we want HD Porn ??
see the scars of plastic surgery, and all the other details I won't mention :)


   Re: haha (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » hahaha

true....but believe it or not.... some dudes will want it
   by Ha (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » Losers

HA HA this is so funny,before they chose no one said anything and waited BUT now they have chosen here come the comments such as -
"but porn availible on internet etc etc etc"

Fact is the porn industry is huge on DVD format just like it was before on VHS and if this news is true the winner is decided.

   by jmartin (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » half correct

we are both half correct. it had a lot to do with royalties putting off publishers (sony is known for being rather sticky with stuff like that), but porn backing vhs is what sold the volume of hardware that manufacturers look at when deciding which format to adopt. this caused more hardware manufacturers to adopt vhs, which caused more studios to produce media, and so the cycle goes. so, in short, we're both right, in nearly equal amounts, but neither wouldve happened without the other.

when it comes down to it... business is a numbers game... and porn makes for one hell of a stat pad for any emerging format venture to use in it's efforts to win hardware/studio support. a few hundred million software sales do wonders when it comes to selling a format to hardware manufacturers and other studios, porn or not. they dont distinguish what is porn and what isnt on the bottom line, and the bottom line is all that matters.

   by ezduplication - 2007-01-12
 » Love the back an forth.....

Every so often we come across an article that in-itself generates numerous postings {from both sides}. The idea this subject matter adds another left turn branch is usefull.

The debate or market war over format choice will be an on-going battle. As a duplicator we see all the above issues.

Porn Industry does have an input, we always found it funny the CES (or past PC Expos) ran along side the Porn Show in Vegas. And true, from a business side the cost is a factor in choosing a format.

There are some postings here that point in a more current direction - Video download and title availability. Content has always been key and methods of obtaining it is now easier regardless of format.

What we are watching is where businesses will end up. The format is really a storage issue, gamers like this, Porn likes that, what ever. When corporate america makes its decision, which it cannot at this point, game over. There upgrading networks on DVDs, presentations are still DVDs,
downloading has become an ease of use. Which at this point leaves the format question at who cares.

Will the disc disappear doubt it. All these issues pertain too the consumer market and what additional products consumer intend on buying, an buyers will decided the out come. We see the explosion of downloading sending this issue to the archives, as one contributor put it after that we'll decided how we want to store it.

   by woooo (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » lol

Viva la Porn!


   Re: jwhiz (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » loser

Great input you jackass
   by -.- (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » blabla

who gives a *****

   by Jus*****ching (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » just an observation...

OK, 2 things
1) porn on big screen TV way better than on small computer screen. but that is a matter of personal choice.
2) I think that Microsoft is the real winner here over Sony. OK, so if Blu-ray wins, ps3's already got it, right. and with xbox, if you want the hd-dvd player, gotta get it seperate, but, by making it an add-on, if blu-ray wins, all microsoft has to do is come out with an add-on blu-ray player instead, they can go either way...go Bill Gates, way to think ahead, more money for microsoft either way.


   Re: RommelTJ - 2007-01-12
 » You make good points

These are good points people! (I still prefer the PS3, but I'm willing to change my mind. Not like some a-hols here)

   Re: Cac (Unregistered) - 2007-01-13
 » Re: just an observation...

Doesn't the Blu-ray format belong to Sony? If so, I don't think Sony would allow Microsoft to make an add-on for the 360 that supported their disc format. But even if M$ could... Why would they create an add-on supporting their opposing format? They would trying to get Blu-ray out of the market so HD-DVD becomes the main HD disc format.

   Re: Linrono (Unregistered) - 2007-01-13
 » Well...

Any one hear of the zune?
After seven years, sony wont have a choice in the matter.
And we all know M$ will jump on any money they can get.
   by r_u_on99 (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » jap Pron

anyway Jap pRon will be plenty in Japan on Bluray as Sony PS3 is more popular in Japan

   by bill g. (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » aha!

the porn industry has decided.. so SONY you suck a$$ on HD-DVD

   by bill g. (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » region free

well HD-DVD is region free.. so all the porn from japan will work here.. in the end we all win.. ASIAN PORN RULES! n HD-DVD of course..

   by bdbdbd (Unregistered) - 2007-01-12
 » sad day for sony

I read an article that said Sony wony allow anyone to publish penetration porn on their format.



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