Posted Apr 17, 2007 at 02:17AM by Glen D.
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The problem is we are programming these people as a society. You cannot tell me - common sense tells you - that if these people are playing video games where they're on a mass killing spree in a video game, it’s glamorized on the big screen, it’s become part of the fiber of our society. You take that and mix it with a psychopath, a sociopath, or someone suffering from mental illness, add in a dose of rage, the suggestability is just too high. And we’re going to have to start dealing with that. We’re going to have to start addressing those issues and recognizing that the mass murderers of tomorrow are the children of today that are being programmed with this massive violence overdose. |
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by Karloman (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Hi my name is...
My name is Karloman. I'm 18 years old. I've been playing video games since I was 6. I've played through all the GTA's, I've played through Manhunt, I've played through almost every single violent game on the planet, yet I have never taken anyone's live nor have I had the thought of doing so.
My name is Karloman. I'm 18 years old. I've been playing video games since I was 6. I've played through all the GTA's, I've played through Manhunt, I've played through almost every single violent game on the planet, yet I have never taken anyone's live nor have I had the thought of doing so.
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Re: auditri - 2007-04-17 |
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» Same..
I'm 30 and have been playing games for over 20 years, and I haven't killed anyone.
It bugs me that people like jack thombum and dr phail blame video games, when they really need to take a look at society as a whole.
I see much worse depictions of REAL life violence on the Nightly news (and today especially) and in shows like Cops.
Don't blame the game.
I'm 30 and have been playing games for over 20 years, and I haven't killed anyone.
It bugs me that people like jack thombum and dr phail blame video games, when they really need to take a look at society as a whole.
I see much worse depictions of REAL life violence on the Nightly news (and today especially) and in shows like Cops.
Don't blame the game.
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Re: Jerico G. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Guys
It's great to see intelligent comments peppering this article. Still, I'm making a call for everyone to please tone down the profanities and obscenities in your posts. This is a very sensitive matter and could catch the spotlight from other industries, so we're gonna be extra strict in moderating the comments here. Besides, populating this section with uneducated/immature comments would only solidify the misconceptions being unjustly bestowed upon us gamers right? Thanks. :)
It's great to see intelligent comments peppering this article. Still, I'm making a call for everyone to please tone down the profanities and obscenities in your posts. This is a very sensitive matter and could catch the spotlight from other industries, so we're gonna be extra strict in moderating the comments here. Besides, populating this section with uneducated/immature comments would only solidify the misconceptions being unjustly bestowed upon us gamers right? Thanks. :)
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Re: Jego (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» I agree with you
Violent video games do not make violent people violent people make violent people and so do the *****ing psycopathic freaks out there that should be playing them because this is what happens. They need to have you not have a mental illness to beable to play games like GTA or anything like that. Btw im 16 and have been playing games since i was about 4
Violent video games do not make violent people violent people make violent people and so do the *****ing psycopathic freaks out there that should be playing them because this is what happens. They need to have you not have a mental illness to beable to play games like GTA or anything like that. Btw im 16 and have been playing games since i was about 4
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Re: PS3Rider (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Not Fair
It isn't fair that we have people like Jack Thompson and now Dr.Phil (Who actually isn't a Doctor!) trying to move in on our games and try to take them away from us. It isn't our fault at all, its Americans! Americans all think its fine to bare arms, when its not! Here in the UK we dont have the right to bear arms and we never ever have mass shootings, or even minor to think about it. Americans should realise that the public should not be allowed to bear arms unless you are part of a shooting club and have a lisence.
P.S. We dont have to take anything off Dr.Phil he got owned by the creator of bum fights!
It isn't fair that we have people like Jack Thompson and now Dr.Phil (Who actually isn't a Doctor!) trying to move in on our games and try to take them away from us. It isn't our fault at all, its Americans! Americans all think its fine to bare arms, when its not! Here in the UK we dont have the right to bear arms and we never ever have mass shootings, or even minor to think about it. Americans should realise that the public should not be allowed to bear arms unless you are part of a shooting club and have a lisence.
P.S. We dont have to take anything off Dr.Phil he got owned by the creator of bum fights!
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-04-17 |
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» PS3Rider I See What You Are Saying But...
... what would you do if another country invades yours and they have a huge army? Would you just sit back and die or fight? If you think guns should be banned, why not ban household chemicals? How about banning rocks or sticks. Those can kill too.
... what would you do if another country invades yours and they have a huge army? Would you just sit back and die or fight? If you think guns should be banned, why not ban household chemicals? How about banning rocks or sticks. Those can kill too.
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Re: ahah (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» ahahah
I AGREE!
I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!
Half of these fanboys that beat off to Halo and Gears of War don't know the difference between real life and video games. Just look at them!!!! They dress up in Halo outfits and really gay stuff like that. It's any minute before one of these TOOLS goes and shoots up something. Stop them now! Make video games for only 25 and up so that they won't be able to play them, but I will! bwaaahaahhaahahahahhahahaahha! Sorry *****s, I have to get back to work. (since I have a job, a girlfriend, and a hot car). (Unlike gaming nerds which only have video games!!!)
I AGREE!
I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!
Half of these fanboys that beat off to Halo and Gears of War don't know the difference between real life and video games. Just look at them!!!! They dress up in Halo outfits and really gay stuff like that. It's any minute before one of these TOOLS goes and shoots up something. Stop them now! Make video games for only 25 and up so that they won't be able to play them, but I will! bwaaahaahhaahahahahhahahaahha! Sorry *****s, I have to get back to work. (since I have a job, a girlfriend, and a hot car). (Unlike gaming nerds which only have video games!!!)
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Re: mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» crazy attorney and redneck psychiatrist
has a video game ever been proved as the reason behind a murderer. sure people blame their actions on them but thats just mostly to reduce their punishment. if you think video games are violent read this: http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/violence_and_videogames
has a video game ever been proved as the reason behind a murderer. sure people blame their actions on them but thats just mostly to reduce their punishment. if you think video games are violent read this: http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/violence_and_videogames
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Re: ME! (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Glen D.
stop acting like an a$$O(Dr. Phil) none of you can prove or disprove anything the other says, so stop acting as if you know *****.(nor you nor "Dr Phil" know *****)
stop acting like an a$$O(Dr. Phil) none of you can prove or disprove anything the other says, so stop acting as if you know *****.(nor you nor "Dr Phil" know *****)
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Re: Charlie Hustle (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Erm...
"Here in the UK we dont have the right to bear arms and we never ever have mass shootings"
Dunblane and Hungerford ring any bells? Your claim is flat out wrong. However, I believe Dunblane was the last mass shooting in England, some 11 years ago. Hungerford was nine or ten years before that. (Can't remember if it was '86 ot '87).
People saying "I play violent games and I've never killed anyone" are just as guilty of baseless claims as the people they condemn. The issue here is far FAR more complex than that simple rationale.
Phil's comments (and I despise Phil BTW) at least do make a small amount of sense. However, Thompson is just a self-righteous self-promoting blow-hard who is cashing in on the suffering of 33 families to further his own twisted agenda.
"Here in the UK we dont have the right to bear arms and we never ever have mass shootings"
Dunblane and Hungerford ring any bells? Your claim is flat out wrong. However, I believe Dunblane was the last mass shooting in England, some 11 years ago. Hungerford was nine or ten years before that. (Can't remember if it was '86 ot '87).
People saying "I play violent games and I've never killed anyone" are just as guilty of baseless claims as the people they condemn. The issue here is far FAR more complex than that simple rationale.
Phil's comments (and I despise Phil BTW) at least do make a small amount of sense. However, Thompson is just a self-righteous self-promoting blow-hard who is cashing in on the suffering of 33 families to further his own twisted agenda.
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Re: Charlie Hustle (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Forgot to add...
My point about Hungerford is back then it was the 8-bit era. Another example of mass murder that can't be blamed on games. Unless the guy got so pissed off with Monty Mole that he went nuts...
My point about Hungerford is back then it was the 8-bit era. Another example of mass murder that can't be blamed on games. Unless the guy got so pissed off with Monty Mole that he went nuts...
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» OK you people don't see the point
Ok, it's obvious that none of you are affected by playing violent videogames but think that 0.001% are (which I think the percentage of mentally disturbed people is higher). Well there are more than 100 million gamers worldwide so even though it's rare this thing happens and this concludes that over 1000 gamers are mentally disturbed and could cause such acts. I for one prefer that games like GTA that the purpose is solely based on killing NPC's (as characters portraying human beings) are stopped being produced and discontent some millions of gamers a bit than losing around a thousand lives to videogames worlwide per year as one's videogame needs do not compare to other people's life and the only way to stop this is to boycott this games. Now I don't mean to stop buying violent games but not buy games that you know that they can affect mentally disturbed people (like explained in before in this paragraph), games who's sole purpose are to cause these violence (like violent games like Battlefield, Half Life, Doom, Halo, Gears of War, ect. are ok since the killing of charcaters portraying human beings is not relevant to the purpose and goal of the game). Also of you have some major discontent with these people you probably are way to tied to your videogames and should go out and be with your friends which I assure you is better; some people here speak like they live to play videogames and play more than 30 min a day :S
Ok, it's obvious that none of you are affected by playing violent videogames but think that 0.001% are (which I think the percentage of mentally disturbed people is higher). Well there are more than 100 million gamers worldwide so even though it's rare this thing happens and this concludes that over 1000 gamers are mentally disturbed and could cause such acts. I for one prefer that games like GTA that the purpose is solely based on killing NPC's (as characters portraying human beings) are stopped being produced and discontent some millions of gamers a bit than losing around a thousand lives to videogames worlwide per year as one's videogame needs do not compare to other people's life and the only way to stop this is to boycott this games. Now I don't mean to stop buying violent games but not buy games that you know that they can affect mentally disturbed people (like explained in before in this paragraph), games who's sole purpose are to cause these violence (like violent games like Battlefield, Half Life, Doom, Halo, Gears of War, ect. are ok since the killing of charcaters portraying human beings is not relevant to the purpose and goal of the game). Also of you have some major discontent with these people you probably are way to tied to your videogames and should go out and be with your friends which I assure you is better; some people here speak like they live to play videogames and play more than 30 min a day :S
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» I forgot to add.
For those who say the identity of the killer wasn't revealed you seriously need to look at the newspaper or msn.com. And to those who ask why is he called Doctor Phil if he's not doctor, it means he has a doctorate.
For those who say the identity of the killer wasn't revealed you seriously need to look at the newspaper or msn.com. And to those who ask why is he called Doctor Phil if he's not doctor, it means he has a doctorate.
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Re: MikeyMike01 - 2007-04-17 |
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» Dear PS3Rider,
I would, first and foremost, like to say that America is a diverse country. Saying that all Americans are anything besides Americans is just plain ignorant.
Anywho, tons of people in all different countries own guns, or some type of weapon (Heck, you probably do too). The thing is, it's not the gun's that are to blame.
For that matter, nothing is to blame. These individuals are mentally unstable. They are to blame. You cannot convince me that Hitler started off as a sweet little boy, heard a song, and then snapped.
Its irresponsible, and furthermore rediculous to even suggest that the murderers are the victims. That they're just puppets, being controlled by a video game. Its disgusting.
Peace
~Mikey
I would, first and foremost, like to say that America is a diverse country. Saying that all Americans are anything besides Americans is just plain ignorant.
Anywho, tons of people in all different countries own guns, or some type of weapon (Heck, you probably do too). The thing is, it's not the gun's that are to blame.
For that matter, nothing is to blame. These individuals are mentally unstable. They are to blame. You cannot convince me that Hitler started off as a sweet little boy, heard a song, and then snapped.
Its irresponsible, and furthermore rediculous to even suggest that the murderers are the victims. That they're just puppets, being controlled by a video game. Its disgusting.
Peace
~Mikey
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Re: To Jego (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Crazy people
I'm bipolar, I've had depression for a couple years and it's not going to go away.but you think that just because I have a mental illness I blame any sort of radical thoughts I have on some grand theft auto game? No, I had these thoughts regardless, GTA and other games like it do not cause this stuff it's people not understanding when someone needs help. So not even the mentally ill have an excuse with videogames, it's ju
I'm bipolar, I've had depression for a couple years and it's not going to go away.but you think that just because I have a mental illness I blame any sort of radical thoughts I have on some grand theft auto game? No, I had these thoughts regardless, GTA and other games like it do not cause this stuff it's people not understanding when someone needs help. So not even the mentally ill have an excuse with videogames, it's ju
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Re: ME (Unregistered) - 2007-04-18 |
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» utter crap
Just like both of them to capitalize on a tragedy. Both just show how worthless lawyers and psychologists are (not Psychiatrists, they are REAL Medical Doctors).
Now, we have some information that the shooter was committed for a short time.
Just like both of them to capitalize on a tragedy. Both just show how worthless lawyers and psychologists are (not Psychiatrists, they are REAL Medical Doctors).
Now, we have some information that the shooter was committed for a short time.
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Re: PS3Rider (Unregistered) - 2007-04-18 |
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» to MikeyMike01
As much as I enjoyed reading your comment I find it completly wrong.
The plain fact is that if you have a country that has the right to bear arms, you are going to have a lot more shootings than a country that doesn't gives its citizens the right to bear arms such as where I live (The UK). A small minority of people in the UK (around 2%) do have guns, but this is because they have been licensed and inpected to do so.
PS. Hitler was a sweet boy, who was an artist, and the only reason he had hatred over the jews is because is got his application into art college denied and while living on the streets at the lowest time of his life, became to hate the jews more and more as he thought they were snubbing him with their money.
As much as I enjoyed reading your comment I find it completly wrong.
The plain fact is that if you have a country that has the right to bear arms, you are going to have a lot more shootings than a country that doesn't gives its citizens the right to bear arms such as where I live (The UK). A small minority of people in the UK (around 2%) do have guns, but this is because they have been licensed and inpected to do so.
PS. Hitler was a sweet boy, who was an artist, and the only reason he had hatred over the jews is because is got his application into art college denied and while living on the streets at the lowest time of his life, became to hate the jews more and more as he thought they were snubbing him with their money.
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Re: Brains... (Unregistered) - 2007-04-18 |
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» Reality
These guys have been watching the same stuff as most of the US on TV. They enjoy it just as well, and it is good that Dr. Phil even brings up the fact that its on tv. Here is the problem, people that lacks some type of emotion feeds off of the TV or Video game reality in order to feel accepted. That same "lack of" what ever is what causes people to join cults, chruches, gangs and "you name it". Everyone want to feel important or accepted or just need attension and they go about it in their own manner. Take a closer look at society and not what is on TV, because the two old guyes above that blame games and TV are not killers and I am sure that they watch action killer movie just like you and I. I guess mass punishment (no killer video games or movies) would solve all the problems of the world...
These guys have been watching the same stuff as most of the US on TV. They enjoy it just as well, and it is good that Dr. Phil even brings up the fact that its on tv. Here is the problem, people that lacks some type of emotion feeds off of the TV or Video game reality in order to feel accepted. That same "lack of" what ever is what causes people to join cults, chruches, gangs and "you name it". Everyone want to feel important or accepted or just need attension and they go about it in their own manner. Take a closer look at society and not what is on TV, because the two old guyes above that blame games and TV are not killers and I am sure that they watch action killer movie just like you and I. I guess mass punishment (no killer video games or movies) would solve all the problems of the world...
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Re: td (Unregistered) - 2007-04-18 |
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» ...
i've also played all the gtas from gta 2, i'm 13 and the only thing i think about right now is year 9 sats, not turning the nearest street into a chainsaw massacre...
the only way we can prove this statement is to do tests on a real human, put him/her under constant violent videogaming and see personality changes, but it's immoral to use a human guinea-pig for a science experiment.
i've also played all the gtas from gta 2, i'm 13 and the only thing i think about right now is year 9 sats, not turning the nearest street into a chainsaw massacre...
the only way we can prove this statement is to do tests on a real human, put him/her under constant violent videogaming and see personality changes, but it's immoral to use a human guinea-pig for a science experiment.
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Re: cX (Unregistered) - 2007-04-18 |
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» Wow
I've just finished playing GTA Vice City, what a game! I'm going out now to imitate what happened in the game and get the whole hardcore experience! Later dudes! I would have never have thought that guns kill people if I hadn't played that game!
I've just finished playing GTA Vice City, what a game! I'm going out now to imitate what happened in the game and get the whole hardcore experience! Later dudes! I would have never have thought that guns kill people if I hadn't played that game!
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Re: MikeyMike01 - 2007-04-24 |
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» ....
Dear PS3Rider,
Hmm, thank you for that info on Hitler, I didn't know that. +D
All I'm saying, however is that giving people the ability to own a weapon doesn't automatically lead to death and murders.
People can kill other people with knives, bombs, bats, etc. And besides, people can still get guns over the black market even if its not legal.
~Mikey
Dear PS3Rider,
Hmm, thank you for that info on Hitler, I didn't know that. +D
All I'm saying, however is that giving people the ability to own a weapon doesn't automatically lead to death and murders.
People can kill other people with knives, bombs, bats, etc. And besides, people can still get guns over the black market even if its not legal.
~Mikey
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by booyah (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Dr. Phil, I respectfully disagree.
This person was not a child, but an adult, who decided to do a crime. You cannot even begin to argue that an adult was unable to take responsibility for his or her own actions in this case. Blaming videogames for violence in adults?? this is getting ridiculous.
Videogames or not, there are thousands of adults engaging in violence right now, so shut up.
This person was not a child, but an adult, who decided to do a crime. You cannot even begin to argue that an adult was unable to take responsibility for his or her own actions in this case. Blaming videogames for violence in adults?? this is getting ridiculous.
Videogames or not, there are thousands of adults engaging in violence right now, so shut up.
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Re: Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» everyone here disagrees
The pathetic thing is before anything is even known about the killer's motivations, videogames are immediately blamed.
Like Carl Johnson from GTA SA said, "don't blame me, blame society."
Go back to being a dating consultant, Dr. Fraud.
The pathetic thing is before anything is even known about the killer's motivations, videogames are immediately blamed.
Like Carl Johnson from GTA SA said, "don't blame me, blame society."
Go back to being a dating consultant, Dr. Fraud.
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Re: Micheal Jackson (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» On the other hand
My name is MJ, Im 55 and I have played through all these games and I have only killed 3 people. I dont think these games make a difference.
My name is MJ, Im 55 and I have played through all these games and I have only killed 3 people. I dont think these games make a difference.
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by ashe5k (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» WHAT?
They haven't even released the identity of the guy who was pulling the trigger and they're already using this as a platform against violent video games?
What about all those people who went nuts and opened fire on other people long before video games and movies?
Until there are more facts in the case, running off at the mouth about something they (Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson) don't have all the facts on is totally irresponsible. I find it totally unprofessional.
People need to stop blaming things for their actions and start admitting to the facts that they did indeed do something. Everyone needs to hold something accountable in this day and age, and instead of holding the individuals responsible for the crime, we're blaming media and games.
Why not blame the person who pulled the trigger? They are, in fact, responsible for opening fire, and for killing whoever it is they shot.
This whole thing is getting so out of control and I find it really sad that no one is responsible for anything anymore.
They haven't even released the identity of the guy who was pulling the trigger and they're already using this as a platform against violent video games?
What about all those people who went nuts and opened fire on other people long before video games and movies?
Until there are more facts in the case, running off at the mouth about something they (Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson) don't have all the facts on is totally irresponsible. I find it totally unprofessional.
People need to stop blaming things for their actions and start admitting to the facts that they did indeed do something. Everyone needs to hold something accountable in this day and age, and instead of holding the individuals responsible for the crime, we're blaming media and games.
Why not blame the person who pulled the trigger? They are, in fact, responsible for opening fire, and for killing whoever it is they shot.
This whole thing is getting so out of control and I find it really sad that no one is responsible for anything anymore.
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Re: Jego (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Premeditated
The whole thing was premeditated meaning he had it all planned out a good example was him chaining the doors so no one could get out. He also brought a ton of ammo. So he probably wasnt as crazy as we all think.
The whole thing was premeditated meaning he had it all planned out a good example was him chaining the doors so no one could get out. He also brought a ton of ammo. So he probably wasnt as crazy as we all think.
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Re: evilscarycomputergeek (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» stereotyping
Obviously, these people are stereotyping. We only know 3 things about the shooter: he was asian, was a male, and was in his 20's. So what do we conclude: He must be a video game player.
Obviously, these people are stereotyping. We only know 3 things about the shooter: he was asian, was a male, and was in his 20's. So what do we conclude: He must be a video game player.
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by tonks01 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» yeah right!
gaming is a billion dollar world wide industry, iv travelled to central africa and seen kids on gameboys, in many asian countries it's heavily integrated into everyday life, i assume in america gamers are no different to myself! but what is different in america to anywhere else is gun control, now l know loads of people go on about it, but stop blaming gaming! if the access to guns wasnt as easy as it is, this would not have happened, hell couldnt of happened! if we got rid of video games tomorrow this kind of thing would STILL happen, the media would just blame it on say, rap music, the US goverment needs to open there damn eyes
gaming is a billion dollar world wide industry, iv travelled to central africa and seen kids on gameboys, in many asian countries it's heavily integrated into everyday life, i assume in america gamers are no different to myself! but what is different in america to anywhere else is gun control, now l know loads of people go on about it, but stop blaming gaming! if the access to guns wasnt as easy as it is, this would not have happened, hell couldnt of happened! if we got rid of video games tomorrow this kind of thing would STILL happen, the media would just blame it on say, rap music, the US goverment needs to open there damn eyes
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Re: just a guy (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» it's not the guns either
Well, let me tell you that if you put stricter gun control laws, all that's going to do is empower criminals even more. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Believe me, I'm from Colombia, South America, and citizens there are not allowed to own firearms no matter what, yet, it still is one of the most violent countries in the world. When you put gun control laws in place, all you do is take away the right for good, law obiding citizens to defend themselves, and empower the criminals. Do you think that someone who is intent on killing someone cares about gun control laws? They will get the weapon in the black market and carry his/her evil actions without regard for human life, much less "gun control laws."
Well, let me tell you that if you put stricter gun control laws, all that's going to do is empower criminals even more. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Believe me, I'm from Colombia, South America, and citizens there are not allowed to own firearms no matter what, yet, it still is one of the most violent countries in the world. When you put gun control laws in place, all you do is take away the right for good, law obiding citizens to defend themselves, and empower the criminals. Do you think that someone who is intent on killing someone cares about gun control laws? They will get the weapon in the black market and carry his/her evil actions without regard for human life, much less "gun control laws."
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Re: Keef (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» ...
i agree with "just a guy".
As i have read here http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page+%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200209%5CNAT20020917a.html
a cupple of good average citizens had guns in their car, as they were not alowed to cary in school. which was under attack by one of these messed up freaks, so they went and got their guns and he gave up once confrounted.
it becomes next to obvious when u think of it this way.....
if everyone is alowed to carry guns in school, would you attack it like these people are doing?
would u hell, becase there is a very high chance they would get killed before they could even get one round off...
i agree with "just a guy".
As i have read here http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page+%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200209%5CNAT20020917a.html
a cupple of good average citizens had guns in their car, as they were not alowed to cary in school. which was under attack by one of these messed up freaks, so they went and got their guns and he gave up once confrounted.
it becomes next to obvious when u think of it this way.....
if everyone is alowed to carry guns in school, would you attack it like these people are doing?
would u hell, becase there is a very high chance they would get killed before they could even get one round off...
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» tonks01 (Unregistered)
Gun control is not the answer. The guy could have made bombs from ordinary household chemicals that would have been way worse than guns.
Gun control is not the answer. The guy could have made bombs from ordinary household chemicals that would have been way worse than guns.
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-04-17 |
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» just a guy (Unregistered)
You are absolutely right. I know people that have even made their own guns.
You are absolutely right. I know people that have even made their own guns.
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Re: evilscarycomputergeek (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» actually:
guns don't kill people: drivers with cellphones kill people.
guns don't kill people: drivers with cellphones kill people.
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by zinga (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Hahahahaha, people who can't reason
Lol. Man, he sounds like this "That guy in Africa farted, then the gunman shot dead two people. It's obvious that the farting caused two deaths."
Idiots.
Lol. Man, he sounds like this "That guy in Africa farted, then the gunman shot dead two people. It's obvious that the farting caused two deaths."
Idiots.
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by Doomer (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» .....
i am so efing tired of hearing how ***** ing video games are ruining people. They blamed Columbine on Doom, other Shootings on GTA. They dont want to go to prison and be some guys ***** so they plead insanity that the video games made him do it. @_@. Thats enough people! we have heard this excuse many of times, if you were insae, why the hell do you even have games? I have been playing game since i was 3, my very first game was Doom. and i have never shot or killed any one, and to this day i play GTA, and other violent games.
There should be a law saying that blaming Video games for your crime is illegal.
this article has ruined my day and now im pissed
i am so efing tired of hearing how ***** ing video games are ruining people. They blamed Columbine on Doom, other Shootings on GTA. They dont want to go to prison and be some guys ***** so they plead insanity that the video games made him do it. @_@. Thats enough people! we have heard this excuse many of times, if you were insae, why the hell do you even have games? I have been playing game since i was 3, my very first game was Doom. and i have never shot or killed any one, and to this day i play GTA, and other violent games.
There should be a law saying that blaming Video games for your crime is illegal.
this article has ruined my day and now im pissed
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by gamesarentheprob (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Life is a prob
You could just as easyly blame it on a date line nbc program that air only the night before.
Where in the mass killer was a fellow that couldn't get a hopital to even belive he was a danger. (At least as i understand it. only caught the tail end of it)
He ended up killing a bunch of people over not being able to get some kind a special oil for his Motercycle.
Just want to also note that there are so many things that can mess up a person in the world. I suppose the question is why aren't more people going off the deep end. Gamers are an easy target simply because most people would rather blame there actions of something else rather then themselves.
You simply don't often hear someone say, "Oh, i lost my temper when my girlfriend dumped me. So i took it out on her and everyone around me cause i was mad."
They will almost alway blame the victim for there own stupid actions.
The world is a very vilolent place with or with out vid games and vilolent movies.
And as a society we also blame others and anyone but oursleves when something horrible happens. We decry these horrible things but don't want to pay the real cost of getting to the root problems with prevention options.
We only try to solve something after it's too late.
So we are all kinda cheap lazy blame passers
Just cause something bad has happened in your life doesn't mean you have to pass on that bad stuff to others.
Don't pass on the sins and slights you've had happen to you. The sin stops here.
You could just as easyly blame it on a date line nbc program that air only the night before.
Where in the mass killer was a fellow that couldn't get a hopital to even belive he was a danger. (At least as i understand it. only caught the tail end of it)
He ended up killing a bunch of people over not being able to get some kind a special oil for his Motercycle.
Just want to also note that there are so many things that can mess up a person in the world. I suppose the question is why aren't more people going off the deep end. Gamers are an easy target simply because most people would rather blame there actions of something else rather then themselves.
You simply don't often hear someone say, "Oh, i lost my temper when my girlfriend dumped me. So i took it out on her and everyone around me cause i was mad."
They will almost alway blame the victim for there own stupid actions.
The world is a very vilolent place with or with out vid games and vilolent movies.
And as a society we also blame others and anyone but oursleves when something horrible happens. We decry these horrible things but don't want to pay the real cost of getting to the root problems with prevention options.
We only try to solve something after it's too late.
So we are all kinda cheap lazy blame passers
Just cause something bad has happened in your life doesn't mean you have to pass on that bad stuff to others.
Don't pass on the sins and slights you've had happen to you. The sin stops here.
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by Keef (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» ...
@ Doomer, i was thinking the EXACT same thing..... my day has been ruined, im totaly pissed off by the fact that people cant see the obvious..... these people are nuts from the beginning.
Games did not do anything to these weird *****s
@ Doomer, i was thinking the EXACT same thing..... my day has been ruined, im totaly pissed off by the fact that people cant see the obvious..... these people are nuts from the beginning.
Games did not do anything to these weird *****s
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Re: ***** (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson
these two *****s want to kill gaming if they speak of kids killing because of video games than i speak of politicians and celeberties seeking attention by speaking of killing off a billion dollar industry
these two *****s want to kill gaming if they speak of kids killing because of video games than i speak of politicians and celeberties seeking attention by speaking of killing off a billion dollar industry
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by sinX - 2007-04-17 |
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» ok wait a min...
Obviously, I don't think games turn people in to violent monsters but, where in that quote does he say "exposing children to violent games breeds sociopaths"? It reads more like he's saying that a violence saturated media, like ours, that is so intertwined in everyones lives, becomes to much a part of their already sick minds.
You can't turn someone into a sociopath, those people are born with no conscious or have it ripped out by some horrifying traumatic event at an early age. But, the point is, even as dumb as Dr. Phil is he still knows you can't just turn someone into a psycho or sociopath, he's only saying that the violent media that is a part of us all doesn't sit well with mental illness, and in my opinion, he's right. Violent media has barely been with us more than a generation so, it's not totally unfounded that we have no idea what sort of effect it is going to have sociologically.
Obviously, I don't think games turn people in to violent monsters but, where in that quote does he say "exposing children to violent games breeds sociopaths"? It reads more like he's saying that a violence saturated media, like ours, that is so intertwined in everyones lives, becomes to much a part of their already sick minds.
You can't turn someone into a sociopath, those people are born with no conscious or have it ripped out by some horrifying traumatic event at an early age. But, the point is, even as dumb as Dr. Phil is he still knows you can't just turn someone into a psycho or sociopath, he's only saying that the violent media that is a part of us all doesn't sit well with mental illness, and in my opinion, he's right. Violent media has barely been with us more than a generation so, it's not totally unfounded that we have no idea what sort of effect it is going to have sociologically.
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by cultured gent (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» The Sound of Music causes Death
Martin Bryant shot 35 people dead with multiple arms in Tasmania, giggling as he did it.
He owned three copies of The Sound of Music.
Perhaps it is time to ban this evil movie, obviously a cause of violence.
Martin Bryant shot 35 people dead with multiple arms in Tasmania, giggling as he did it.
He owned three copies of The Sound of Music.
Perhaps it is time to ban this evil movie, obviously a cause of violence.
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by Glen D. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-04-17 |
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» old school
Makes me wonder how dirt-poor bullies who don't even own consoles can be so viokent. Maybe everyone should play violent games so they can vent their anger in games and not beat up other people.
Makes me wonder how dirt-poor bullies who don't even own consoles can be so viokent. Maybe everyone should play violent games so they can vent their anger in games and not beat up other people.
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by Jerico G. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Dr Phil sings
sings i get so sick of everyone placing the blame on video games. before video games even existed there were people doing killing other people for no apparent reason.. in addition to that video games isn't the only thing that advocates violence.. there are more violent movies and television shows then there are games..i believe the main problem is with the parents if they see that their child doesn't have a good hold on reality maybe the kid shouldn't play video games especially violent ones.
Edited by Jerico G. (Q.J. NET Staff) , because:
this is a post from reader somal. I removed profanities/obscenities. replaced them with the word "sings"
sings i get so sick of everyone placing the blame on video games. before video games even existed there were people doing killing other people for no apparent reason.. in addition to that video games isn't the only thing that advocates violence.. there are more violent movies and television shows then there are games..i believe the main problem is with the parents if they see that their child doesn't have a good hold on reality maybe the kid shouldn't play video games especially violent ones.
Edited by Jerico G. (Q.J. NET Staff) , because:
this is a post from reader somal. I removed profanities/obscenities. replaced them with the word "sings"
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Re: true (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» totaly agree with ya
dont assume that i started with videogames... TV is much worse and movies are even more violent then alot of games..... dont blame the gaming industry.....
i cant stand how the "knowitall" Dr Phil can say something without ANY PROOF... and assume things..... a true psychologist knows not to assume anything... because tyou are avoiding the real true problem/cause of the effect.
Dr Phil needs to learn how and when to stop talking as most of his talk is a bunch of hot air and can be proved false by an average Logic student.
Dr phil can petition to stop videogames... but the world should petition for him be quiet until he has more proof on subjects
dont assume that i started with videogames... TV is much worse and movies are even more violent then alot of games..... dont blame the gaming industry.....
i cant stand how the "knowitall" Dr Phil can say something without ANY PROOF... and assume things..... a true psychologist knows not to assume anything... because tyou are avoiding the real true problem/cause of the effect.
Dr Phil needs to learn how and when to stop talking as most of his talk is a bunch of hot air and can be proved false by an average Logic student.
Dr phil can petition to stop videogames... but the world should petition for him be quiet until he has more proof on subjects
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-04-17 |
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» So You Guys No Longer Will Let People Comment Their True Feelings?
Is this site ran in Russia or is that where we are headed? If there ever was any media backlash to you guys on posts I don't mind being interviewed by them explaining myself. l welcome it.
Is this site ran in Russia or is that where we are headed? If there ever was any media backlash to you guys on posts I don't mind being interviewed by them explaining myself. l welcome it.
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Re: to CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» um... what???
get with the times man.. and dont badmouth Russia...
first of all... yes they are entitled to OPINIONS/Comments...
but they are practically forcing that opinion onto other people to beleive that videogames are the cause...... WITHOUT ANY PROOF....
i dont want to be FORCED anyones opionion... especially without sufficient evidence ....
so to Dr. Phil/Jack... make your point, and let it be... dont keep beating a dead horse...
BTW... whats next??? no more freedom if people try to ban violent videogames, TV and movies...
look at Don Imus... apparently our free speech ahs been taken away due to people taking things too personnaly...... whats next?
all in all... the issues lie with bad PARENTING..... not videogamesgames
get with the times man.. and dont badmouth Russia...
first of all... yes they are entitled to OPINIONS/Comments...
but they are practically forcing that opinion onto other people to beleive that videogames are the cause...... WITHOUT ANY PROOF....
i dont want to be FORCED anyones opionion... especially without sufficient evidence ....
so to Dr. Phil/Jack... make your point, and let it be... dont keep beating a dead horse...
BTW... whats next??? no more freedom if people try to ban violent videogames, TV and movies...
look at Don Imus... apparently our free speech ahs been taken away due to people taking things too personnaly...... whats next?
all in all... the issues lie with bad PARENTING..... not videogamesgames
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Re: Jerico G. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-04-17 |
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» @ CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS
We didn't change anything that'll alter the comment's context, I only removed the words (well actually, I replaced it another word) that went through our anti-cuss filters.
We didn't change anything that'll alter the comment's context, I only removed the words (well actually, I replaced it another word) that went through our anti-cuss filters.
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-04-17 |
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» I Didn't Badmouth Russia
I only said that I don't agree with totalitarianisms.
I only said that I don't agree with totalitarianisms.
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by DJ (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» QJ...
You are absolutely right! And I am surprised there are so many Intelligent comments much less, first posters.
You are absolutely right! And I am surprised there are so many Intelligent comments much less, first posters.
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Re: 1st (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» oh yeah
1st reply!
1st reply!
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Re: HAHAHA (Unregistered) - 2007-04-19 |
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» better
2nd reply and 1st reply to that 1st reply and my reply!
2nd reply and 1st reply to that 1st reply and my reply!
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by Jose (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» I agree with u guys
I believe you guys are right. I do not if there is something we can do legally to protect gaming from this over abuse. It is not right to blame things from a damn big event. If there is something I can do as a gamer I would give my full support to it.
I believe you guys are right. I do not if there is something we can do legally to protect gaming from this over abuse. It is not right to blame things from a damn big event. If there is something I can do as a gamer I would give my full support to it.
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by stu (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» sinx
I'm with sinx on this one, the dr phil article doesnt say that the videogames make a sociopath or pschyo whatever, he simply suggests that the violence soaked media and alot of the violence in games, in the mix with the right kind of person could most certainly be an influence in someone going postal if they are already messed in the head in the first place. Hey i think its rubbish every time i hear someone blaming games for mass murders and such, and i am so not a violent person and i play all the most bloody and brutal games, but i do also know someone people that are messed up and giving them the right influence......i would prefer to keep my distance.......read the article properly people before you try to comment.......
I'm with sinx on this one, the dr phil article doesnt say that the videogames make a sociopath or pschyo whatever, he simply suggests that the violence soaked media and alot of the violence in games, in the mix with the right kind of person could most certainly be an influence in someone going postal if they are already messed in the head in the first place. Hey i think its rubbish every time i hear someone blaming games for mass murders and such, and i am so not a violent person and i play all the most bloody and brutal games, but i do also know someone people that are messed up and giving them the right influence......i would prefer to keep my distance.......read the article properly people before you try to comment.......
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by eaglebaize (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» OMG....
Dear Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson,
This recent shooting that has already sparked much controversy all around the U.S. (and more). Please consider this statement (even though this is over children, this is somewhat true for college students):
Could the parents be at fault? Isn't it THEIR responsibility to talk to their kids about the child's problems in life? Shouldn't they should KNOW if their child is in the correct physical health to know that violent videogames are JUST a videogame? It also seems that many people use videogames, a popular industry, for blame in order to make an attempt to not get in prison (as easily)...
Dear Dr. Phil and Jack Thompson,
This recent shooting that has already sparked much controversy all around the U.S. (and more). Please consider this statement (even though this is over children, this is somewhat true for college students):
Could the parents be at fault? Isn't it THEIR responsibility to talk to their kids about the child's problems in life? Shouldn't they should KNOW if their child is in the correct physical health to know that violent videogames are JUST a videogame? It also seems that many people use videogames, a popular industry, for blame in order to make an attempt to not get in prison (as easily)...
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Re: auditri - 2007-04-17 |
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» Elements of truth..
I've been speaking to a few friends of mine who have kids, and I have to agree with eaglebaize..
Many of these kids who are growing up in the age of the internet where everything from graphic movies, porn, violent video games are the norm, and a only a click away, have trouble discerning what is real and what is make believe. And I think this may be a big part of the problem. Parents really need to watch what their kids are doing and playing all of the time, and explain to them what is real and what is not.
Hollywood churns out visually amazing movies, which we all know are fiction. But if you showed someone who had never seen television before, a movie, say, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, could you image what would be running through their minds? How would you explain its 'just a movie'?
I'm not trying to justify the actions of the lunatic who commit these crimes of late, but seriously, anyone who thinks violence is a solution to any problem really needs their head examined.
Anyways, as you can probably tell, I'm passionate about sensitive subjects like this, because not only do we need to stand up for our rights to enjoy fictitious movies + games, we also need to look at other possible causes and solutions, such as failure to clearly define reality in our kids, and clearly express that for the majority of people, this is not a problem.
Thanks QJ for letting us discuss this topic, I'm aware that nearly all previous topics concerning mr thompson have been locked from comments, due to the flaming, but I definitely see this as an opportunity for intelligent discussion on a topic that will mold our future forms of entertainment.
I've been speaking to a few friends of mine who have kids, and I have to agree with eaglebaize..
Many of these kids who are growing up in the age of the internet where everything from graphic movies, porn, violent video games are the norm, and a only a click away, have trouble discerning what is real and what is make believe. And I think this may be a big part of the problem. Parents really need to watch what their kids are doing and playing all of the time, and explain to them what is real and what is not.
Hollywood churns out visually amazing movies, which we all know are fiction. But if you showed someone who had never seen television before, a movie, say, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, could you image what would be running through their minds? How would you explain its 'just a movie'?
I'm not trying to justify the actions of the lunatic who commit these crimes of late, but seriously, anyone who thinks violence is a solution to any problem really needs their head examined.
Anyways, as you can probably tell, I'm passionate about sensitive subjects like this, because not only do we need to stand up for our rights to enjoy fictitious movies + games, we also need to look at other possible causes and solutions, such as failure to clearly define reality in our kids, and clearly express that for the majority of people, this is not a problem.
Thanks QJ for letting us discuss this topic, I'm aware that nearly all previous topics concerning mr thompson have been locked from comments, due to the flaming, but I definitely see this as an opportunity for intelligent discussion on a topic that will mold our future forms of entertainment.
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by anon (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» 1966 Texas
ok ok ....
So the mass killin in 1966 at Texas Univ. was due in part to Video Games? Hmmm...
ok ok ....
So the mass killin in 1966 at Texas Univ. was due in part to Video Games? Hmmm...
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Re: Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» That's right
An early version of Pong was apparently responsible. The killer thought that dot representing the ball is a bullet and he had to shoot the paddle representing a person.
An early version of Pong was apparently responsible. The killer thought that dot representing the ball is a bullet and he had to shoot the paddle representing a person.
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Re: evilscarycomputergeek (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» agreed
yes, pong was the reason. So was the beta version of missile command: the bullets were to shoot out little pinpricks to make sure his base (the clock tower) would not be bombed by the pin pricks in the distance.
yes, pong was the reason. So was the beta version of missile command: the bullets were to shoot out little pinpricks to make sure his base (the clock tower) would not be bombed by the pin pricks in the distance.
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by chippxero (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» games not to blame
The problems obviously isn't games, shootings like this don't happen all over the world, the problem is the readily available guns that young stupid people can get to.
Personally I pretty much only play FPS games, not once in my life have i thought of going out and shooting up a school.
If games can really have such an effect surely these things would happen a lot more as there are millions of people playing them every day.
The problems obviously isn't games, shootings like this don't happen all over the world, the problem is the readily available guns that young stupid people can get to.
Personally I pretty much only play FPS games, not once in my life have i thought of going out and shooting up a school.
If games can really have such an effect surely these things would happen a lot more as there are millions of people playing them every day.
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by chippxero (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» whoa wtf
The problems obviously isn't games, shootings like this don't happen all over the world, the problem is the readily available guns that young stupid people can get to.
Personally I pretty much only play FPS games, not once in my life have i thought of going out and shooting up a school.
If games can really have such an effect surely these things would happen a lot more as there are millions of people playing them every day.
somehow this appeared on my screen
The problems obviously isn't games, shootings like this don't happen all over the world, the problem is the readily available guns that young stupid people can get to.
Personally I pretty much only play FPS games, not once in my life have i thought of going out and shooting up a school.
If games can really have such an effect surely these things would happen a lot more as there are millions of people playing them every day.
somehow this appeared on my screen
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by commenter154 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Some Other POV
Here's a few commentaries that go a bit in depth as far as reactions that aren't D.P's. I find it interesting that people are thinking not only of one side of gun control/videogames/etc vs the other, but taking completely separate views as to other motivating factors.
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/04/virginia-tech-shooting.html
http://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com/2007/04/events-of-day.html
http://canticle.livejournal.com/621183.html?style=mine
Here's a few commentaries that go a bit in depth as far as reactions that aren't D.P's. I find it interesting that people are thinking not only of one side of gun control/videogames/etc vs the other, but taking completely separate views as to other motivating factors.
http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/04/virginia-tech-shooting.html
http://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com/2007/04/events-of-day.html
http://canticle.livejournal.com/621183.html?style=mine
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by Rich (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» I hate this *****got
"You take that and mix it with a psychopath, a sociopath, or someone suffering from mental illness, add in a dose of rage, the suggestability is just too high"
A video game or movie is not going to make something "click" in someones brain and tell them to go on a murdering spree....
Guess what.. A psychopath or a sociopath are going to do something *****ed up... Why? Cause they are *****ing psychopaths. A movie scene is not going to change anything about that
"You take that and mix it with a psychopath, a sociopath, or someone suffering from mental illness, add in a dose of rage, the suggestability is just too high"
A video game or movie is not going to make something "click" in someones brain and tell them to go on a murdering spree....
Guess what.. A psychopath or a sociopath are going to do something *****ed up... Why? Cause they are *****ing psychopaths. A movie scene is not going to change anything about that
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by Alteridos (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Hi, mom!
They have no quarrel with blaming the parents as well. They need a medium to blame and they're willing to go as far as they need to go just to vent their own personal opinions on us and then calling them "facts".
If we're to blame parents for anything, let's do it for everything. I'd like to blame my mother for sending me to college. I'd like to blame my mother for my steady job. I'd also like to blame my mother for me being a normal human being that can understand right from wrong and can acknowledge what I've done and pit the blame on myself when I've done something bad or unnecessary.
I blame it all on you, mom. Thanks. :)
They have no quarrel with blaming the parents as well. They need a medium to blame and they're willing to go as far as they need to go just to vent their own personal opinions on us and then calling them "facts".
If we're to blame parents for anything, let's do it for everything. I'd like to blame my mother for sending me to college. I'd like to blame my mother for my steady job. I'd also like to blame my mother for me being a normal human being that can understand right from wrong and can acknowledge what I've done and pit the blame on myself when I've done something bad or unnecessary.
I blame it all on you, mom. Thanks. :)
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by red (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» You're all wrong
Guys guys guys, you're all so completely wrong, i agree video games aren't responsible, but nor is the person pulling the trigger, it's the 3rd wold little children that assembled the gun and bullets!
If there's any killing to be done, i'd say: kill the weapon industry.
Guys guys guys, you're all so completely wrong, i agree video games aren't responsible, but nor is the person pulling the trigger, it's the 3rd wold little children that assembled the gun and bullets!
If there's any killing to be done, i'd say: kill the weapon industry.
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by Anonymous_349 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Anonymous_349
Dr. Phil, this has got to be the most arrogant thing I've heard you said considering you have a show that does 'in some peoples perspectives' pretty insane things/comments/etc...
I would like to first point out that I'm not a HARDCORE video game player, just a casual player whom plays due to either boredom or strictly educational/work purposes ONLY.
Your claim of video games having a MAJOR influence on crime to simplify things are just as absurd as Hitler claiming Germans are the superior race in the world back in his days.
I'm sure Hitler meant well in his case as your intentions are yourself, but blaming something you probably never laid your hands on or even understand is just unprofessional and wrong.
I can't believe I'm hearing this. I've always respected Dr. Phil because you base your teachings in fact not theory.
But seeing something like this gives your show a bad taste just because you or other professionals out there says their not good for anyone (which I'm betting most are in the same boat as yourself or just don't understand the 'fun' side of video games)
The closest thing I would agree with is the fact that yes, violent video games do play some role in SOME peoples case. But the number of people that plays video game that commits crime are no way in an alarming rate.
If your theory is correct then according to your theory I can just blame football/basketball for the same crime your proposing. Since most sports has it's violent side, I can simply blame the whole genre of sport to be a bad influence to people out there.
My point is, don't bad mouth ANYTHING that has no SOLID FACT besides a few old geezer's that's made some test that they themselves have no idea what their testing in on behalf.
This is just my 2 cent, I'm sure there are many people that thinks this 'theory' of yours just isn't possible. I and many others out there which I'm curtain of that would have MUCH more to say in regards this but it isn't fair to those people whom only wish is to just play and the only killing they intend to do is kill time...
My only advice is to re-examine this theory of yours before this theory brings you shame or worst through your life/career...
Video gaming is evolving as if not faster that the I.T. industries. In the same respect I.T. and it's researchers have accomplished, the same or more research should be made first before such claims like yours should have any proven facts.
Just in case some people are wondering, I've been exposed to video games since the 8-bit days (atari, 286,etc...) and not 1s I've ever commited crime nor taken anybody's like away. Even though I've been exposed and admit myself enjoy the GTA series now and then.
Games should be taken as what they are, if people are picking up life essentials from them then it isn't the games fault, it is the parent or guardian to whom they are obligated to are.
Don't put your blame to anyone else's just because it's hyperthetically plausible. It's wrong and just plain st00pph33d!
Ch33rz!
Dr. Phil, this has got to be the most arrogant thing I've heard you said considering you have a show that does 'in some peoples perspectives' pretty insane things/comments/etc...
I would like to first point out that I'm not a HARDCORE video game player, just a casual player whom plays due to either boredom or strictly educational/work purposes ONLY.
Your claim of video games having a MAJOR influence on crime to simplify things are just as absurd as Hitler claiming Germans are the superior race in the world back in his days.
I'm sure Hitler meant well in his case as your intentions are yourself, but blaming something you probably never laid your hands on or even understand is just unprofessional and wrong.
I can't believe I'm hearing this. I've always respected Dr. Phil because you base your teachings in fact not theory.
But seeing something like this gives your show a bad taste just because you or other professionals out there says their not good for anyone (which I'm betting most are in the same boat as yourself or just don't understand the 'fun' side of video games)
The closest thing I would agree with is the fact that yes, violent video games do play some role in SOME peoples case. But the number of people that plays video game that commits crime are no way in an alarming rate.
If your theory is correct then according to your theory I can just blame football/basketball for the same crime your proposing. Since most sports has it's violent side, I can simply blame the whole genre of sport to be a bad influence to people out there.
My point is, don't bad mouth ANYTHING that has no SOLID FACT besides a few old geezer's that's made some test that they themselves have no idea what their testing in on behalf.
This is just my 2 cent, I'm sure there are many people that thinks this 'theory' of yours just isn't possible. I and many others out there which I'm curtain of that would have MUCH more to say in regards this but it isn't fair to those people whom only wish is to just play and the only killing they intend to do is kill time...
My only advice is to re-examine this theory of yours before this theory brings you shame or worst through your life/career...
Video gaming is evolving as if not faster that the I.T. industries. In the same respect I.T. and it's researchers have accomplished, the same or more research should be made first before such claims like yours should have any proven facts.
Just in case some people are wondering, I've been exposed to video games since the 8-bit days (atari, 286,etc...) and not 1s I've ever commited crime nor taken anybody's like away. Even though I've been exposed and admit myself enjoy the GTA series now and then.
Games should be taken as what they are, if people are picking up life essentials from them then it isn't the games fault, it is the parent or guardian to whom they are obligated to are.
Don't put your blame to anyone else's just because it's hyperthetically plausible. It's wrong and just plain st00pph33d!
Ch33rz!
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by mrv9292 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» wow
if the person really was influenced by video games he would have at least waited till october so he could play GTA IV before he took himself out duhh!
if the person really was influenced by video games he would have at least waited till october so he could play GTA IV before he took himself out duhh!
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Re: Omatic (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Inappropriate.
Dude, what's wrong with you?
Dude, what's wrong with you?
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Re: auto-matic (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Omatic:RE
It's called a fr3akin joke u humorless pr!ck.
MRV9292: LOLZ! I would'ved!
It's called a fr3akin joke u humorless pr!ck.
MRV9292: LOLZ! I would'ved!
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Re: FreePlay (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» .
It wasn't funny.
It wasn't funny.
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by Omatic (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» It's not the games.
The games, while violent and explicit, aren't the cause for such violence. Like the article says, there's been violence embedded in mankind for our entire history. I can see the point that the violent video games aren't helping to fix the problem, but they're also not to be blamed for the problem either. Some people have mental problems, and if they aren't noticed and helped in time, they go and do something stupid and/or horrible.
Even if we did "correct" our society, and we had no violence anywhere in the media (which, frankly, would make for a very boring media experience), people would still fight, and they might even come up with the idea for such atrocities themselves (people bent on destruction don't need to see it on TV or in video games to think it up). On top of that, our government isn't very helpful in setting a good example. You can see this in action if you were to look at the events leading up to and the events in Iraq. I'm not going to divulge on that, lest this go off topic.
In reality, all this is just the frantic search for someone (or something) to point the blame finger at. It's a natural coping mechanism for humans - people blame their versions of "God" or "Satan" for their misdeeds, their government for various social / economic issues, and so on. What video game activists are doing by blaming video games for violent outbursts (with the sorely lacking evidence out there attributing violence to video games) is acting on instincts just as base as those that drive people to violence.
The games, while violent and explicit, aren't the cause for such violence. Like the article says, there's been violence embedded in mankind for our entire history. I can see the point that the violent video games aren't helping to fix the problem, but they're also not to be blamed for the problem either. Some people have mental problems, and if they aren't noticed and helped in time, they go and do something stupid and/or horrible.
Even if we did "correct" our society, and we had no violence anywhere in the media (which, frankly, would make for a very boring media experience), people would still fight, and they might even come up with the idea for such atrocities themselves (people bent on destruction don't need to see it on TV or in video games to think it up). On top of that, our government isn't very helpful in setting a good example. You can see this in action if you were to look at the events leading up to and the events in Iraq. I'm not going to divulge on that, lest this go off topic.
In reality, all this is just the frantic search for someone (or something) to point the blame finger at. It's a natural coping mechanism for humans - people blame their versions of "God" or "Satan" for their misdeeds, their government for various social / economic issues, and so on. What video game activists are doing by blaming video games for violent outbursts (with the sorely lacking evidence out there attributing violence to video games) is acting on instincts just as base as those that drive people to violence.
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by GreenDog (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» oO
ok.... Manson was a GTA fan?.....
ok.... Manson was a GTA fan?.....
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by Sackavelli - 2007-04-17 |
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» RadicalIdealism or Evolution?
How about, now get ready for this one because its gonna be heavy, WE BLAME THE INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBLE!
Oh boo hoo, my daddy hit me now I'm gonna go kill defenseless people. Sob Sob, my mother was cold and distant and now I drink all the time. Tears and sighs because my uncle Lesters nickname should have been *Insert something clever and slightly lewd*.
People need to take responsibility for their actions. Its almost like a state of prolonged arrested mental development, wherein some never outgrow the chlidish acts of not being able to pay up to what is owed. Everyone has an excuse for something, and no one owns up to anything anymore. We go around carrying sobriety chips and scars, both internal and external and congratulate one another for "overcoming insurmountable odds"
Many in society have become nothing more than petulant children who look to do the crime, but not do the time because they can blame it on depression, abusing substances, past "traumas" or some other crutch or excuse. Why didn't this guy go onto a military base and try to start firing at the armed security in a fair gunfight? Because he wouldn't have stood a chance.
The man was weak, a bully and nothing more than someone who had completely lost touch of any reality other than his own in which these actions would have been reasonably justified. That is why they always have an excuse lined up. Lawyers will eat it up, calling the whole nation to arms in a fight to save this poor victim. This poor helpless victim that locked the doors with chains and took enough ammo to choke a chinese elephant into a school, a place of education where his peers had no reasonable means of defense, and slaughtered them and affected hundreds if not thousands of lives in a single, premeditated act of ignorance.
After its done and he realizes he's going to go to the electric chair and smell like burning hair and hot dogs, he thinks to himself, "Who or what can I blame to just get life in prison?" It is farting in a room and blaming someone else on a far more tragic scale. The Lawyers *sniff*, psychologists, therapists, counselors and all around talentless hacks *cough* love it, wouldn't you love an excuse that kept you in a Bentley and a $5,000 suit everyday.
We need to stop blaming his parents, his forms of entertainment, sexual preference, personal background, brand of cologne or busy handed relative and start blaming the person who pointed the firearm at someone, and with blatant disregard to the victims existence, ended a promising life. Society needs to stop this whole "everyones a victim" mentality and begin making examples of such disassociated tyrannical acts.
Good day.
How about, now get ready for this one because its gonna be heavy, WE BLAME THE INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBLE!
Oh boo hoo, my daddy hit me now I'm gonna go kill defenseless people. Sob Sob, my mother was cold and distant and now I drink all the time. Tears and sighs because my uncle Lesters nickname should have been *Insert something clever and slightly lewd*.
People need to take responsibility for their actions. Its almost like a state of prolonged arrested mental development, wherein some never outgrow the chlidish acts of not being able to pay up to what is owed. Everyone has an excuse for something, and no one owns up to anything anymore. We go around carrying sobriety chips and scars, both internal and external and congratulate one another for "overcoming insurmountable odds"
Many in society have become nothing more than petulant children who look to do the crime, but not do the time because they can blame it on depression, abusing substances, past "traumas" or some other crutch or excuse. Why didn't this guy go onto a military base and try to start firing at the armed security in a fair gunfight? Because he wouldn't have stood a chance.
The man was weak, a bully and nothing more than someone who had completely lost touch of any reality other than his own in which these actions would have been reasonably justified. That is why they always have an excuse lined up. Lawyers will eat it up, calling the whole nation to arms in a fight to save this poor victim. This poor helpless victim that locked the doors with chains and took enough ammo to choke a chinese elephant into a school, a place of education where his peers had no reasonable means of defense, and slaughtered them and affected hundreds if not thousands of lives in a single, premeditated act of ignorance.
After its done and he realizes he's going to go to the electric chair and smell like burning hair and hot dogs, he thinks to himself, "Who or what can I blame to just get life in prison?" It is farting in a room and blaming someone else on a far more tragic scale. The Lawyers *sniff*, psychologists, therapists, counselors and all around talentless hacks *cough* love it, wouldn't you love an excuse that kept you in a Bentley and a $5,000 suit everyday.
We need to stop blaming his parents, his forms of entertainment, sexual preference, personal background, brand of cologne or busy handed relative and start blaming the person who pointed the firearm at someone, and with blatant disregard to the victims existence, ended a promising life. Society needs to stop this whole "everyones a victim" mentality and begin making examples of such disassociated tyrannical acts.
Good day.
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Re: ray (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» The definition of sociopath
While I see a wide spectrum of attitudes, I have to admit that I have found many of them to be irritated replies to the statement made by Dr. Phil.
What he was construing was that social disruptions like this are a component of our society. The person who committed the crime did have inputs from the environment he grew up in. While I could go on and on about the importance of the process of socialization in humans and primates alone, I will give only a few examples. Why have all of these newsline massacres done by males? Why is it that the ratio of violent crime in the United States is 1 woman for every 9 males? Or perhaps the documented cases of how easily a human beings, or our evolutionary ancestors (Pan Paniscus), can become develop anti-social, neurotic and schizophrenic tendencies when not raised without critical amounts of social interaction. If you would like to how important sociology and social psychology is regarding human behavior I would suggest you do a google search for "Gender Based Social Crimes" and "Human Deprivation Cases". By all means don't just take my word for it.
But I digress, what I wanted to say about the article and it's obviously critical stance of a Ph.D owner's opinion that video games, mixed with mental instability, results in situations like what happened yesterday. I found his "recipe" explanation a little bland, he is totally correct. The definition of a sociopath is person that posesses a personality that is not functional is society. Such a personality contains a lack of conscience (the ability to ethically and socially evaluate and behave) as well as antisocial tendencies such as rage.
Can anyone reread the statement and tell me if Dr. Phil was being all-inclusive in his opinion?
While I see a wide spectrum of attitudes, I have to admit that I have found many of them to be irritated replies to the statement made by Dr. Phil.
What he was construing was that social disruptions like this are a component of our society. The person who committed the crime did have inputs from the environment he grew up in. While I could go on and on about the importance of the process of socialization in humans and primates alone, I will give only a few examples. Why have all of these newsline massacres done by males? Why is it that the ratio of violent crime in the United States is 1 woman for every 9 males? Or perhaps the documented cases of how easily a human beings, or our evolutionary ancestors (Pan Paniscus), can become develop anti-social, neurotic and schizophrenic tendencies when not raised without critical amounts of social interaction. If you would like to how important sociology and social psychology is regarding human behavior I would suggest you do a google search for "Gender Based Social Crimes" and "Human Deprivation Cases". By all means don't just take my word for it.
But I digress, what I wanted to say about the article and it's obviously critical stance of a Ph.D owner's opinion that video games, mixed with mental instability, results in situations like what happened yesterday. I found his "recipe" explanation a little bland, he is totally correct. The definition of a sociopath is person that posesses a personality that is not functional is society. Such a personality contains a lack of conscience (the ability to ethically and socially evaluate and behave) as well as antisocial tendencies such as rage.
Can anyone reread the statement and tell me if Dr. Phil was being all-inclusive in his opinion?
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Re: Project D (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Here you go, ray
"We%u2019re going to have to start addressing those issues and recognizing that the mass murderers of tomorrow are the children of today that are being programmed with this massive violence overdose."
He sure seems to be making an all-inclusive statement about today's children. I think I'll go out and rip someone's head and spine out with my bare hands, just to help prove his point. After all, I played gory, violent video games when I was a child. I just be one of the mass-murderers of today.
"We%u2019re going to have to start addressing those issues and recognizing that the mass murderers of tomorrow are the children of today that are being programmed with this massive violence overdose."
He sure seems to be making an all-inclusive statement about today's children. I think I'll go out and rip someone's head and spine out with my bare hands, just to help prove his point. After all, I played gory, violent video games when I was a child. I just be one of the mass-murderers of today.
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by Dj Natas (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» NO ONE IS BLAMING VIDEO GAMES!!!!!!!
No one at all is blaming video games in the incident at Virgina, no one!!!!!
No one at all is blaming video games in the incident at Virgina, no one!!!!!
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Re: evilscarycomputergeek (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» actually...
read the article, n00bzor. Dr. Phil, and jack@$$ thompson are...
read the article, n00bzor. Dr. Phil, and jack@$$ thompson are...
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Re: Project D (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Really?
Because it sure seems like they are by the very words coming out of their mouths.
Because it sure seems like they are by the very words coming out of their mouths.
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by Non-American (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» I pitty you if...
Bush decides to open a war on videogames, you'll never play a decent game ever again...
People who had originals (or even worse copies) of GTA would be taken to guantanamo bay for some sociopath cleaning...
I really pitty you...
Bush decides to open a war on videogames, you'll never play a decent game ever again...
People who had originals (or even worse copies) of GTA would be taken to guantanamo bay for some sociopath cleaning...
I really pitty you...
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Re: darkpikachu02 (Unregistered) - 2007-04-17 |
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» Study
There is some proof that video games can "Increasce Aggression" Here is the page on the study:
http://www.apa.org/releases/videogames.html
Ben
There is some proof that video games can "Increasce Aggression" Here is the page on the study:
http://www.apa.org/releases/videogames.html
Ben
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