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all your game are preplayed by us
They take the games out of the cases so they don't get stolen and they have cases to display. It's no big deal, and I don't know why QJ thinks this is some "conspiracy"....
the d00d - the point is, Gamestop could very easily pass off used merchandise as new and ***** people over very, very easily.
Not everyone beats the ***** out of their games - many of us are adult owners of video games, and if I brought a used game into a store to sell it you'd have a hard time telling the difference between my pre-owned and perfectly cared for copy, and a brand new one. I often don't even touch the Instruction Book/inserts, so they look and are minty, minty fresh.
So I bring this into a gamestop and sell it. Guy behind the counter sees what perfect condition mine is in...suddenly, they put it in the "new" instead of "used" pile. Maybe the kid even does it on the down low, and somehow manages to collect the difference from his pocket.
Far fetched? Maybe. But I'd laugh in their faces if they tried to sell me a "new" game open like that. Um, the companies put seals and other wraps on items for a good reason - TO MAKE SURE THEY ARRIVE UNOPENED.
I'm sorry, but tin foil hats aside, there is no reason in hell for them to do this. They publishers generally send dummy cases on request, or Gamestop could get permission to use placecards that have the front/back of the game on the shelf.
I'm sorry, but again, I'd laugh in their faces and go elsewhere if someone tried to pull that ***** on me. I think Gamestop/EB/whatever are a bunch of ripoff artists anyway - I go in one once in awhile to see what they've got for ultra-cheap used games (My rule is I pay no more than $8), but anything else is just a losing proposition for the customer every time.
I used to work at a EB long time ago... and Employees would hook each other up ALL the time. They would bring in their used games, that had no scratches and manuals looked minty fresh. And they would return them as "merchandise for store credit because there was no receipt" as a new product. Thus getting store credit at teh full new price of the CD. They would then re shrink wrap the game, and put it back in teh NEW section LOLOLOL. Even the assistant manager did it haha. Only person out of teh loop was teh actual manager.
They people would return opened things for store credit, within the 14 days allowed (per their return policy), and they would simply re shrink wrap the game, and resell it as new.
And for those who dont know, its BULL to say its for anti theft. Companies send display boxes, theres no need to open games now for a display copy, unless you plan on putting it in the machine for demo purposes, and even then, its BS to sell s display copy as NEW with full price. Hell just about every retail chain will give a discount on display items that get sold.
Stop being stupid consumers.
they gave me used price. Little did they know I had made a tiny slice in the package where I slid in a note to the future buyer saying that this was a used memory stick and gave them my name and address...
We took them to court and won.
I used to work at a babbages (now gamestop) several years back, and this was the way things were done back then too. It always rubbed me the wrong way, mainly because we would take the discs out along with the part of the cd case they rested in (I'm talking ps1 days here) and we'd shrinkwrap it. Yes, we'd point a heat gun directly at the game disc. Smart.
Also, we had an employee checkout program (the real reason I got the job) where we could take home new games to try them out. The problem with that is that we'd wrap 'em back up and call 'em new. We'd put games into our display systems, leave them on for the entire business day, usually for a week or two. This is a factor to consider especially in the ps1 where so much heat got to the disc. These games were VERY used, and we'd still sell them as new. Used to piss me off.
Anyway, I recommend you never buy an opened game from gamestop, 'cuz you have no idea what it's been through.
As stated by many others, this is not a conspiracy to sell used as new. I used to work as GameStop, in fact in a manager position. The copy that this paricular person is referring to is called a "gut". We take the game out right when we receive it from the box, put it in a plastic bag with the instructions and file it away, putting the empty box out for display either behind the glass case or on the shelves or both. Would you really think a story was worth your business if they didnt show you what they were selling? Must have been a slow news day for this one to come out :-/
first of all this is a blog site... and teh need for "guts" is simply Outdated... and as pointed out before.. not every open game sold as new IS new...
DISPLAY COPIES SHOULD NOT BE SOLD AT FULL PRICE. End of story. Because tehy are no longer new ... its been opened. EB wont give cash back for opened items... why should peopel pay full price for it?
Nothing is better then a factory FRESH game, removing the official seals off a case just means your getting it fresh. To some people like our buddy Munn, getting a fresh game is that important. Also, on the EBgames/Gamestop re-packaged/brand new games, they put ALL KINDS of store stickers on the case advertising 10% off with trade in or whatever "deal" they are doing, it sucks. If you want a true factory sealed game, buy online, or at independant game stores, and you won't have to be burdened by the corporate machine. Really, people don't care about you or what you get, they just want your money, so think twice about where you shop, and who you support.
If Any of you were actually SMART, you would file a class action lawsuit.......
nice, but aybabtu. MOOHWAHWA
Three points: (1) I HHHATE window displays!!! All the games face forward, giving me no details that come on the back (and sides as well for computer games). Like I'm supposed to be motivated in the slightest to buy a game by looking at it's front cover, knowing nothing of the gameplay or actual screen graphics. I have NEVER bought a game that was behind glass. (2) In regards to display boxes: This doen't make sense. All you need is ONE display box, so why arn't there unopened boxes behind the counter? Am I supposed to believe that every time anyone buys a game, they replace the display box? PLEEEZZ! (3) I'm not a hater of GameStop/EB... And I've seen this same event where they dig out the game and put it back together to sell it as new. It's not a secret. However, it does offer great potential for abuse.
Thats messed
When I got Metal Gear: Portable Ops this summer, the same thing happened. Both my brother and I received a copy, one brand new wrapped, one brand new not wrapped. GameStop always has one copy of a game on display for people to see. If they are all out of new "wrapped" games, they offer to sell you the last one they have, yes unwrapped, but never played...thus, still brand new. Unless you are planning to buy it and then resell it sealed, you lose NOTHING. Also, you are not required to buy it, and if you are that troubled that it isn't sealed, go find it else where! Anyways, it is still new, unplayed, and should be priced the same as any new game.
i think people like you are real idiots.... gamestop has a bad policy... thats how they can make extra dough with used games.... u know what... actually i think if u'r so dumb u deserve to get ripped off
I've had many friends work at a local Gamestop, and that opened game might just have BEEN played. However, with any CD based game, as long as the game is unscratched and undamaged in any way, it shouldn't really matter. Besides, they usually have multiple copies of "New" games that still ARE shrinkwrapped in their cabinets behind the counter. If they don't, and you REALLY don't want an opened CD game, then don't buy it.
DS and GBA games are different, however. They when preplayed, are instantly screwed. Stuff can be saved to their carts. Therefore, they really shouldn't be checked out by imployees.
What's the big deal exactly?
I work for a games retailer in the UK, and maybe 40% of the games we sell are like that. Some have to be 'gutted' as we say, because the boxes are needed for display. The disc and manual are kept in a sealed plastic wrap in the cabinets and are put in the box, which is sealed with a special sticker thing, when needed (ie, when we're out of factory sealed copies).
The game may be opened, but it's still new, and still comes with the same guarantee and exchange policy as factory sealed games.
What are shops expected to do? Fill every single display case with a dummy sleeve? That'd take a ridiculous amount of time and paper.
I live in Miami and 6 years ago I received a copy of devil may cry brand new wrapped. later on way to my home I notice that the game had missing the top seal but the game was wrapped and I look good at the game case and the wrapped paper was weaker then the original one a normal new game is wrapped. I went back and talk to the manager and they give me one that was really new and seal. And what gamestop really do is they buy your used game and wrapped with a similar plastic paper to make it look new seal, but they can not copy the Sony seal on the top of the case. That how I notice my game was not really new.
Later went I got my ps3 I got Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire which is the most gunk game I ever played in my life. I returned the game the same they and they only give me $25 dollar credit after I spend $64.18 the same day. Then they take the same game and wrapped and resell like new. But before I make that deal I give only the game cd only no case no book since they will only give me $25 dollars on credit. that why you need to make sure if you paying for a new game they need to give you a new one wrapped with the top seal.
I just want to say that we open all our games... and we have a sign sheet where we can take the games home and play it... that way we can get info on the games and let you guys know if the games are good or not... so for all you idiots who think its for security its not... its really a way for ebgames to make extra money... when retards sell their used games we check it out and if it looks near mint we consider it new.... so in fact you guys are paying for a used game but at the price of a "new game" while ebgames pockets an extra 10 or so bucks...
If They really wanted to do that, they can get it refurbished. The proof being thst when you trade in a game thats scratched up, they'll charge you to get it refurbished anyways. If they really wanted to do that they could, but I doubt it. I also know that it is very easy to resurface disks and only takes a few minutes. I mean come on t costs $1 to get it done at coconuts. Enough with the *****ing conspiracy theories already.
Here in the UK i would say 80% of shops do it - i buy nearly all my games online so it doesnt bother me that much highstreet games are a rip off ther always about £5-10 more expensive (i think thats about $10 - $20!)
Who cares? This has happened to me many times. Usually they do this when you ask for the last copy of a game and the only case they have is the one from the display, the game it self has never been used. Somebody sounds like they're on their period.
First off, this "last copy of the game" stuff is total BS. If that were true, then why do I see them putting the game boxes/cases together EVERY SINGLE TIME I've been in GameStop? You yourself say that this has happened to you many times. Is their stock really that low all the time? Next time you go in, pay closer attention to the massive size of these filing cabinets and try to tell me how much stock they have in there (not to mention the back rooms). Secondly, once a game is opened (no matter who opened it), standard practice says that's used. Take a look at Best Buy. You can find returned items in perfect working order, no damage at all to the product or manuals and no visible wear. Best Buy sells these "opened box" items at a discount. Why? Because it's been opened, and is therefore considered USED. That's not rocket science. Any product that GameStop opens, instantly turns that item into a used item. The vast majority of retail businesses out there would say the same. Oh, and by the way, you should really see a doctor about all that sand in your *** before you run out of breathing room. ;)
I call BS. If they hadn't been able (or worse yet, *willing*) to provide me with a still-factory-sealed copy of the game, I would have walked out without buying the game. More than that, I would have noted the name of the manager and employee, and remembered them for future reference, and probably emailed or called Gamestop's corporate offices to complain.
If I *want* a used game, I'll *ask* for one. Anything that's been opened by someone before me is used. To think that I'd pay full price for such a thing is completely absurd.
You probably get your mom to buy all your games for you. Cause if you ever went out and bought a game from any boutique like games store you would see this. And BTW, it isn't used. It's opened. Big difference there tardo.
Call Gamestop Corporate and they will tell you that is company/store policy. It is called a "gut" they HAVE TO open at least one (sometimes more) to display the box for customers to check out and read. So if a store gets 10 games and 9 sell out and there is only 1 left then the last copy is still new and unplayed just unwrapped.
And I agree with the poster Phreakymopho
A case to look at both front and back and occasionally the manual (depending on store).
-or-
A store where everything is behind a glass and you can see the front of the case but you don't know what the game's about...
Simply put, you collector or OCD gamers can buy your stuff online like all of the PC gamers have already retorted to doing. Us serious gamers will read the backs of the empty case and make an educated decision on what to do with our hard earned money.
Phreakymopho, you are not an idiot, you are an ass. You say that opened is different then used, but how many times have you gone into a grocery store and seen an opened box and said,"Well it's opened, but not used!"
So now games are the same as food? I'd like to think of games as a magazine in the magazine rack or a book from the book store... After all, we are talking about entertainment here and not produce...
this happens all the time with me as well. they need to do it for the display cases. it's still new, not used. you can trust them on that
Is Mun a new gamer or what? This is what you would call a "common practice." The boys at EBGames (think they're the same company) have been doing this for years. Of course it's for anti-theft. Does Mun get excited when he rents a game but it's not in the case until the cashier puts it in there? Different scale, but is Mun one of those people that gets offended when the "brand new" car that he purchases has a whole mile on it, thanks to the trip from the assembly line onto the truck, then off the truck onto the lot and the assorted motions around there? New means that you are the first owner after any intermediaries (I.E. those businesses that operate between the producer and consumer), in which case the game is still new. Not preowned - new.
I'm with Gamespot on this - if it saves them cash in the long run (or even in the short run), who gives a crap whether or not you have to peel a junkload of plastic off the box. If the game doesn't work as advertised, or if it's got scratches on it, or any other issue that you might have with the game, TAKE IT BACK. If not, chill, relax, and make the assumption that not all companies are out to get you.
--Databoy2k
acutally no u forgot one thing they leave a gay sticker on it so if u want to collect the game taking off the sitcker is hell and often damages the case
it happens all all ebgames/gamestop they open a new box to put it on the shelf when they only have that one "new copy" left they open their drawer and take the game and other stuff and put it in the case, if your so worried why dont u just look at the game it is scratch free and honestly i would rather have them keep it behind the counter secure than in the case where all the lil kids can shake the cases and then in turn scratch the disk inside.
stop your crying and go to best buy if u got a problem!!
This is retarded.
Who gives a flying f**k??
Is the game's 'enjoyment' value decreased by not having shrink wrap on it?!?
I can't even bevlieve someone felt the need to write and article on it.
This is almost up there with the Mooninite 'bomb scare' for sheer stupidity.
Totally, who cares if the game is already open. Most people open their games when they get home, so what's the big deal. If it's open, just be sure you look at the disc before the final ringout.
Be smart when you buy a gutted copy of a game. Buy or go elsewhere. The associates don't control the purchase, the consumers do.
I personally don't care that it's been opened -- as long as it plays, still looks new, has the original contents, and is under warranty (which has always been my experience). However, I'm amazed at how many posts are here, where people don't even see the issue. As I see it, the issue is that there's the risk of GameStop/EB taking a used item that they buy from John Doe at a hideously deflated price, and then slipping it into the "new" category because John Doe bought it yesterday and didn't like the game. Since the game has been "officially" opened (indicated by that nasty yellow sticker), he can't simply return it and get a refund. So he sells it back and takes the financial loss. Then GameStop sells it AGAIN at full price. They COULD increase their profit greatly by doing just that. At the same time, the game companies lose a sale due to fraud by GameStop. GameStop sells the game to Joe Blow and GameStop is quietly stealing from him as well by passing off a used item (lower profit) as a new one (higher profit). --NOW-- I'm not saying that this is happening. I probably wouldn't know the difference between a well cared for game and a new one. The ISSUE is that GameStop/EB has a perfect system set up for this form of thieft. By removing new games from their factory-sealed condition, used games can sometimes be indistinguishable from new ones. All I'm saying is that the potential is there, and a motive exi$ts to take advantage of it. BTW, if you're still questioning the meaning of "new", try buying a CD somewhere. Remove all the security stickers, but don't open the case. Now try to return it. Make sure you say "But it's new" as many times as you can before security forces you out the door.
Some of you people are pretty damn demanding.
I don't know what it's like with US stores, but for my store, we will only take a game back if it's faulty or if it's been unopened, hence the factory seal/store seal. So if you get a game that's not factory sealed, you are NOT getting a used game.
As Michael Winner says, "Calm down dear."
Boy talk about being anal. What's the big deal?
I worked at an EB some years ago, and we did that. We had one of those security things at the door that beeped, but we still emptied anything that went on the shelves. Mainly cause games are so easy to just pick up and run with. If the guts of a game were in it's case, then people would just wait in the store for me to go behind the counter to help another customer, pick up a game and bolt. The thing at the front would beep, but by the time I got around the counter, the thief would have a good 100 meter head start. That, or people would just come in with a razor blade, walk behind a stand so I can't see anything below their torso, slice open the packaging, and pop the DVDs themselves into their bag. No running necessary. People have to face it. Games are in big demand with teens. Teens are also the most common shoplifters mainly because they have no money, but also because with most countries having young offenders acts, they can get away with almost anything. Just go ask the people at cosmetics counters about how much lipstick is stolen by teens if you doubt me. Whenever people would complain when i was grabbing the guts to the game, I would say "If we don't do this...the game walk away. It's a brand new game, carrying with it all the guarantees, and assurances that a shrink-wrapped copy would come with. However, if it's a gift for someone, I would recommend us shrink wrapping it for you, that way it makes it easier to exchange later."
This has happen to me several times before. I live around gamestop hq and there are plenty around me, and almost all of them do this...
They've been doing this for YEARS to reduce theft. Every few months someone posts a "shocking" story about how this happened to them. There's nothing shocking or underhanded here. If you want to insist that games you buy are still in the original shrinkwrap, that's fine. If all they have is an opened copy ask them to check with another store and find one that is still sealed. Again, not a big deal.
Now, if they are shrinkwrapping games that had previously been sold to another person and calling them "new", then THAT would be a serious problem. We buy "new" clothes all the time that someone else has tried on. We buy "new" cars that someone else has test driven. While I respect the right for someone to decline to purchase a game that has had the plastic removed, it sure doesn't seem like something worth having a cow over.
i know this is common practice...
however it's still retarded. when i was a kid toys r us used to have a wall with the covers in a sleeve and papers with barcodes showing how many they had.
what's wrong with that?
and if they insist on putting cases on the wall, just use the company art like they do for unreleased crap...



