Posted Jul 04, 2007 at 04:24AM by Sally B. Listed in: PSP Tags: Fanjita, piracy, Noobz
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rants - Image 1In the aftermath of all the flaming he and Noobz received for releasing the FW 3.50 PSP downgrader, Fanjita let out his thoughts about what he deemed as the "morality of downgrading". Apparently, many people logged into the Noobz forums in order to accuse him and the team of boosting piracy on the PSP.

In his Rants section, Fanjita expounded on the subject of who was really to blame for the piracy problem: the end user. He wrote,


By opening up homebrew on PSPs, we're giving freedom to the end user. They can choose how they use that freedom. If they care about the platform, then I hope they'll use the freedom responsibly, and run only legitimate homebrew, or at worst, backups of their own UMDs. Those that choose to pirate have themselves to blame if the platform suffers.


He further explained his side using a well thought-out analogy with guns and gun makers. "If you choose to shoot someone, it is not the fault of the gun manufacturer," Fanjita said in his blog. "If you pulled the trigger, then you committed the crime."

The developer also noticed that some of those who opposed PSP firmware downgrading were into piracy themselves. Fanjita presented two possible reasons why they would commit piracy. The first reason would be that this kind of people may not have the moral backbone or self-restraint to control themselves from committing piracy, even though they're opposed to the idea. The second reason is that certain anti-downgrade protesters have a sense of elitism, thinking that it's alright for them to pirate software, but it would definitely be trouble if everybody were to do the same thing.

Fanjita also shed light on his other related observations, such as seeing people hoarding copies of Lumines for profit, as well as Amazon third-party sellers selling Lumines at inflated prices. He said that these kinds of action go against the community spirit of homebrew gaming.

Well, what do you guys think of Fanjita's observations? Do hit the comments section to share your thoughts.


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   by superdarkshadow (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » he's right!

people are responsible for their own actions, downgrading gives you new privileges, if you choose the abuse them, it's ur own responsibility! pirating is for losers!


   Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » I didn't like that analogy...

I didn't like that analogy cause the world would be better if there were no guns manufacturers and they know it but they keep producing it for money. Next time use a kitchen knife, it is for cutting food but people sometimes play with it and accidentally kill someone.

   Re: Me (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » .

I like not having to carry those pesky UMD disks.

   Re: Sayenthy (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » so

metalspector, have you seen this world without guns? I'm pretty sure they've found other resourceful ways to kill each other. Guns are a symptom of natural human violence.

   Re: harry ballsaq (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » ur gay

fanjita is gay he sucks big pe pe

   Re: ? (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » ?

i dont uderstand fanjita (he also has a paki name).


im pretty sure hes pirating to (just like evry1 else wit a CFW. the things he says dont make sense. its like listening to a paki guy lying




thanks for the downgrade but seriously find better arguments

   Re: Homo Sapien (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » I have made 0 in April, 0 in May, and 0 (SO FAR) in June.

... what the hell is that supposed to mean? "He also has a paki name"?! Yet more indications of the completely directionless racism people face in our 'liberated' world... grow up or get the ***** off the Internet, fascist.

And good on Fanjita. The possibility of making a choice to do right or do wrong should not rest with a higher body, but should be a personal choice, if people are ever to learn responsibility.

   Re: Vin (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » I agree with metalspector

The analogy wasn't good.
Besides, its like Sarah Connor said in T2:
"Men like you created the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think your so creative" (sorry but just love that movie!)

So you see, the choice is ours on whether to use homebrew for illegal purposes or not (which is the only way to learn responsibility, true) but if fanjita hadn't given us that ability, there wouldnt be ANY pirating at all! He made it accessible for illegal activities (even if he didnt do it intend for it to happen)

But anyway all said and done, I dnt choose a side, because I love having homebrew anyway! :P

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   Re: to the (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » guy

to the guy who thinks fanjitas name sounds paki, you're no less. It's like saying you're a *****ing jew to a white brit such as yourself. Which I assume you are.

Moron....

   Re: Pirates Of The PSP (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Thank You Fanjita!!!

It's cause of you I'm able to play illegal iso!!! Thank you so much!!! Without you I'll never be able to do that!!!

   Re: VSG (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » now i know

Fanjita is a REAL human with Great thinking!
unlike these plastic posters around forums and newsgroups. what he said is straight to the point and totally struck the hearts of those shameful.
most post i read on QJ just simply reflects the posters state of mind and overall behavior, it shows their natural twisted upbringing.
believe me ive seen all kinds of posters here, racist are the most common, then plastics, elitists etc. no wonder the world has no unity, the straight thinking people are outnumbered by stupid and idiotic people. i have a simple advice but its not sunscreen, dont be plastic, accept the truth and accept that you are wrong!

Fanjita just said what is the truth, now we see the true colors of people posting here in QJ.
quote by Ken "attack me if you dare, i will crush you".

   Re: in that case (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » in that case

im a loser. hahahaha

   Re: Maury X (Unregistered) - 2007-07-11
 » yea..

Yeah, the fact that we don't have to carry the UMD's? I like that thought
Besides, game DO load faster from the MS...

   Re: Ninja2507 (Unregistered) - 2007-07-31
 » I don't pirate

I don't pirate, but I do play my legally backed up isos for faster loading, and longer battery life due to the no umd aspect of it. also, I like using GBA, NES, SNES and all the other emulators to play games I LEGALLY own.
Someone who downloads without paying for the game is simply ruining the PSP.

Fanjita is right, face it.
   by Reader (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » I agree, but...

The analogy of the gun was far from being well-thought. So basically its morally okay to produce or sell guns?

I'd say a kitchen knife would've been a better analogy. You can use it to prepare food, or murder your husband. The knife was made with food preparation in mind.


   Re: ??? (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Um...

The gun is in the same play. Guns were created to hunt big game for food. Not to kill people, but apparently the government and army think that's a wonderful idea.

   Re: misthero (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » well tought

you can use guns to defend yourself or your family or to kill, you choose.

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   Re: you-are (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » car speed?

or what about the high speed of cars nowdays? inmany countries is the max allowed speed in europe bout 120-130 km/h. but there are many cars that go much harder than 120km/h. it is your own responsibility to use the car in a way as u wish (harder or slower than 120 km/h)

thus i agree with fanjita......

   Re: Justingraziano - 2007-07-04
 » or wife

you can also use it to murder ur wife, idiot.

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   Re: lord anon (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » I completely disargee

The business of gun making is a completely legitimate business, which makes his analogy very well founded. Guns were originally made to take the lives of other human beings, but their versatility has been vastly improved from there. Say that all humanity was to create a peace treaty and no human would ever kill another again (impossible, not improbable) do you think the gun market would disappear? Absolutely Not! It would diminish significantly, but guns are used for recreational purposes on a day to day basis. Hunting, target practice, competition, all very legitimate purposes for a gun. So the gun market isn't an entirely bad thing. Now on to the homebrew segment.

Fanjita gave us the means to pirate games, but being as it is illegal, he for the sake of not being legally responsible for the action of every homebrewer out there, said that he does not endorse the action of pirating commercial games. He has stated that he is doing this for a challenge, to take an encrypted segment of code, decrypt it and then modify and recode it. He is giving us the means of doing illegal acts, but he is telling us not to. He's giving us the choice, just like the gun manufacturers They're not giving us their product and then holding another against our heads and saying "Pull that trigger and kill him, or die." its our choice, make it and stop blaming Fanjita and start blaming the pirates.

   Re: MyName (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » hmm..

please don't compare downgraders, which can be obtained easily by ANYONE, to guns

   Re: t_baggin_u (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » MyName

" please don't compare downgraders, which can be obtained easily by ANYONE, to guns" I don't know what country you are from but I could walk to wal-mart right now and easily obtain any gun on the shelf just the same as I could walk to the local ally and purchase one from a total stranger with he serial number ground out.

   Re: lord anon (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » buying guns

Buying guns is waaaay easier than you think dude. i could walk outside right now and go up to one of the hundred illegals that live in Massachusettes and i could get my hands on a gun by tonight

   Re: that guy in the ally (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » guns

guns that aren't even legal in the u.s.

   Re: omg (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » wow

not every single person lives in the same place as you guys do, try getting a gun in singapore

   Re: Anon (Unregistered) - 2007-07-08
 » bang bang

singapore lol should be plenty of chinese models to be had fairly cheep i love chinese handguns they feel dangerus like you dont know which end the bullets will come out lol
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   by Smoka Cola (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » ***** those kids.

Fanjita and his team, as well as DAX do an amazing job for Homebrewing on the PSP. There is nothing illegal about homebrewing on the PSP. However there are a few apps out there and the CFW that allow users to play backed up games on their PSP. If someone decides to download a PSP game that's their fault, the ones hosting these PSP Games are the ones to blame. and the numerous sites out there hosting roms are to blame. All those sites know damn well 98% of their downloaders don't own the game. I'm tired of hearing kids blaming all the great developers that do so much for the PSP because they're to stupid to realize THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR PIRACY. Not Fanjita, Not the Noobz team, Not DAX, None of the developers here encourage piracy. If you own the game, that's a different story. Owning the game and having a backup of it is completely fine in my eyes. I think if you payed for it you damn well deserve to have it. but ripping it as a backup and putting it in your shared folder? no. not cool.


   Re: zetsurin (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » agree, in part

while i agree with your overall point i consider the inclusion of an iso loader in DAX custom firmware as support for piracy. there is no other way to look at it. let's not kid ourselves here.

   Re: FreePlay (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Hey, zetsurin

Let's watch your post's rating keep going down and down and down as all the pirates show just how much they love being immoral.

   Re: t_baggin_u (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » zesurin

If the iso loader is only to be used for piracy then why would Sony add an official iso loader into their latest firmware? I for one hate the umd and only play games off the memory stick...games that I actually paid money for. Loading games from your memory stick uses less battery and has faster load times. In short, Sony realized their mistake and stole an idea off of the home brew community and then threatens legal action against piracy...way to blindly support everything everyone says
   by TheDarkPaladin (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » What about...

What about if you download Roms from other platforms? N64 for example. Thats basically just abandonware right? Ooh and first. Lol I just ordered Lumines but I doubt I'll ever download a PSP game


   Re: fm (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » No

It is NOT abandonware. Very little games are abandonware, most of them for the PC. How could it be abandonware if Nintendo is still selling them on the VC?
   by Reader (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Er, no.

» Um...

The gun is in the same play. Guns were created to hunt big game for food. Not to kill people, but apparently the government and army think that's a wonderful idea.

--

Today's society is quite aware of the purposes of obtaining a gun. If you produce and/or sell guns, you know that a big chunk of them is going to be bought for either self defense or intentional offensive use, which ends up killing people regardless.


   Re: FreePlay (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Oh, please.

What's the POINT of your argument? The makers of a product that has morally legitimate uses are not responsible for how the consumer uses it.

   Re: Ryalla - 2007-07-04
 » ...

Guns are used to hunt still. Look at ***** Chaney. He's a pro at it.

   Re: Robbzilla (Unregistered) - 2007-07-05
 » guns

Reader: You're an idiot. Guns save more lives daily than they take yearly. How? Because a gun in the hand of an honest citizen is a tool of self-protection. Only in the hands of the insane, the completely ignorant, or the criminal does a gun become something bad.

As for homebrew: I personally couldn't care less about ISOs. I want homebrew for the old school emulators. The games I want to play are the ones I've purchased at LEAST once when they were new. Why should I have to buy them again? Just because Sony has a new medium, I should fork over another $30? No thanks. It's the same with UMD movies. Why should I pay more than a DVD when I can just rip the DVD down and place the movie on a memstick? I've already purchased the movie once, why should I be forced to purchase it again to watch it on Sony's viewer?
   by Tactical_Chicken (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Yep...I Agree

I agree fully with Fanjita.

Fanjita: No matter where you go for whatever it is you are into (I'm meaning you as in general population), there will always be bad mouthers, scrawny lil punks that got nuthin betta to do than to bash someone ( ESPECIALLY when that other person is looked up to by a "community" because of their accomplishments) . You and I know EXACTLY what it is like to sit at the computer and keep trying different stuff , sometimes trial-n-error crap and the next thing you know is "POOF" !!!!! where did the time go? and then to get constant negativity for your generousity in return. Hell I wouldn't blame ya if ya did walk away for awhile if not forever BUT ...BUT....YOU WILL BE MISSED !!!!!!

OH and um.... I'd keep plugging away at tryin to make your own firmware for it.....just do that in the background.... HOWEVER I am really hopin you release 3.51 before you go....

   by dredgewalker (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » ....

I definitely agree with their arguement as to how it is the users responsibility on how they would use their software. But we do have to admit that custom firmwares are a double edged sword for the psp community. On one hand we get more features and play old games we used like and the other opens to piracy. I dont wanna blame them for anything, in fact i am so grateful for what they have done regardless of the negative effects it has wrought. Let us never forget the freedom of choice and the responsibility imposed on using that freeedom. Custom firmwares grant us a sort of freedom on our psp away from Sony's clutches. They have given us a universal key and its up to us what kind of door we should open it with. Just my two cents.


   Re: Ryalla - 2007-07-04
 » ISO Loaders

ISOs have been around since before the time of DevHook. There will always be piracy.
   by Wicked_Insider - 2007-07-04
 » This is exactly why...

DAX is quitting.

Because of these ass holes on ebay selling lumines
for 100 to 300 dollars and up. It's aginst the spirit
of the homebrew community and ones DAX saw this
goin on he lost all interest to continue.

Meaning as a community we lose one of the best
coders we have because of greedy, stingy, douche
bag lickers.

I've seen it my self, PSP community members flaming
on everybody else just for the fun of it causing
problems for the community, it's these exact ass holes
that have cost us our coding future.

No doubt some of it brought on by DS fanboys trying
to hurt our community and gain profit at the same
time.

The psp community is in the process of self destruction
due to treating each other like lepers and by ass holes
that pirate.

It's our fault as a community why DAX is leaving us and
no doubt that the majority of over priced lumines sales
is being done by psp owners. PSP owners that don't
mind seeing DAX give up as long as they can get a
few hundrad dollars from it regardless of what it will
cost the community in the long run, like DAX leaving
because of it.

All and all I chalk it up to sites like QJnet being the ones
to blame. If they only allowed members to post, every
body would be kind to each other, there would be no
one uping each other and stuff like selling lumines for
$300 a copy on ebay.

GOD I hate all you fuuckers, only the people that
respond negitivelly to my post are the ones I hate,
the rest understand my point exactly.

Children that don't give a $h!t, QJ that allows bad
community mannors and the d!ck heads trying to rip
everybody off for a quick buck.

At this rate we will lose all of our coders and
then what, no more community.

Everybody selling lumines should be reported to ebay
and they should lose their accounts, we need to
protect our community and should DAX that we do
not approve this activity. He then may remain if we
make big enough a deal out of it, proving to him that
we deserve his efforts instead of trying to turn a
quick buck out of his work.


   Re: FreePlay (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » .............

"If they only allowed members to post, every
body would be kind to each other"
"GOD I hate all you fuuckers"
Congratulations on the instant self-contradiction! :)

"It's our fault as a community why DAX is leaving us"
Look, you ignorant boob... Dark_AleX received LEGAL THREATS FROM SONY. That's why he's leaving.

   Re: rob (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Freeplay makes a better point...

but you head the nail on the head with Lumines. If i was DAX (i wish!), i would be pretty pissed to see all my efforts, for free, in my spare time, going into "downgrader CD's on ebay). YES, you can buy them. Disgusting

   Re: Justingraziano - 2007-07-04
 » chalk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oooo he said chalk!
   by Bob (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » Dumbass

The analogy with the Guns is complete bull*****. Take away guns and there will be less murders. When the option is there, people are more likely to do it. If you've downgraded your PSP, you're more likely be swayed to pirating a game. If it wasn't possible, then you would pirate any games would you? If no guns were available, you can't kill anyone can you? It's not exactly easy to kill someone with a knife. Most people wouldn't try, but guns make it easy.

/rant over.


   Re: zetsurin (Unregistered) - 2007-07-04
 » good point

I agree

/agree over