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 Pretty soon Australian gamers won't be able to access anymore those websites that host and sell games which the government deems to contain content "edgier" than what is allowed under an MA-15+ rating. Doesn't matter if you're above 18 not, if it's blocked, you're not getting to it.Stephen Conroy, spokesman for Communications Minister, explained to the Sydney Morning Herald: This is confirmation that the scope of the mandatory censorship scheme will keep on creeping. Far from being the ultimate weapon against child abuse, it now will officially censor content deemed too controversial for a 15-year-old. In a free country like ours, do we really need the government to step in and save us from racy web games? He further explained that this scheme will be applied to downloadable games, Flash games, and websites that are in the business of selling boxed copies of MA-15+ games thru mail order.
That [online games] exemption [on content ratings] is the only reason why multi-player games with user-generated environments are possible in this country; without it, it'd only take one game user anywhere in the world to produce objectionable content in the game environment to make the Australian Government ban the game for everyone. Uh-oh? Related Articles: |
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by d00b - 2009-06-26 |
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» Damn
Must really suck to be kangaroo jack right about now. R.I.P. Australia games.
Must really suck to be kangaroo jack right about now. R.I.P. Australia games.
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by damien1986 - 2009-06-26 |
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» yea
sux for them, lucky for me
sux for them, lucky for me
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by TPot - 2009-06-26 |
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» It is an amazing scenario.
Note that there is a bit of misunderstanding. It will be stopping access to items that don't fit in the M15 rating. ie. you won't have R rated game sites. This is not 15 year olds (who should be blocked), but 18 year olds.
The web content filtering being suggested for Australia is meeting a decent amount of resistance. The political parties I have talked to are aware of the high profile it has. One of the arguments against it is that it is easy to circumvent. I reckon that if they do start banning access to gaming related sites, a large proportion of net users will make this circumvention standard practice. Personally this is one of the first times I have started considering signing up to a paid net proxy service.
Note that there is a bit of misunderstanding. It will be stopping access to items that don't fit in the M15 rating. ie. you won't have R rated game sites. This is not 15 year olds (who should be blocked), but 18 year olds.
The web content filtering being suggested for Australia is meeting a decent amount of resistance. The political parties I have talked to are aware of the high profile it has. One of the arguments against it is that it is easy to circumvent. I reckon that if they do start banning access to gaming related sites, a large proportion of net users will make this circumvention standard practice. Personally this is one of the first times I have started considering signing up to a paid net proxy service.
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by akadewboy - 2009-06-26 |
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» hmmm
Government censorship is NEVER a good thing. It will be very sad if Australia turns into China or Iran. I hope you guys have access to some good proxies. The internet should never be censored.
Government censorship is NEVER a good thing. It will be very sad if Australia turns into China or Iran. I hope you guys have access to some good proxies. The internet should never be censored.
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Re: Musev - 2009-06-26 |
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» ..
Its only a matter of time before everywhere is trying it at this level
how long untill the internet isnt the internet?
all just a matter of time. (yes even america)
Its only a matter of time before everywhere is trying it at this level
how long untill the internet isnt the internet?
all just a matter of time. (yes even america)
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Re: raggedjimmi - 2009-06-26 |
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That's a strange thing to say. America actually has more repressive laws than the UK. If out of the 2 we'd be the last to go... However some of the more liberal European countries and courts would certainly be the last.
That's a strange thing to say. America actually has more repressive laws than the UK. If out of the 2 we'd be the last to go... However some of the more liberal European countries and courts would certainly be the last.
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Re: MangoScango - 2009-06-26 |
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» how long?
I heard awhile ago that in 2012 that all the major isps are going to totally gonna screw the internet over by making it like TV, where we play for each "Channel" (In this case, website) we get.
Meaning, only the big sites will survive.
Although, im not sure if its acurate
I heard awhile ago that in 2012 that all the major isps are going to totally gonna screw the internet over by making it like TV, where we play for each "Channel" (In this case, website) we get.
Meaning, only the big sites will survive.
Although, im not sure if its acurate
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Re: MangoScango - 2009-06-26 |
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» Oh wait!
http://www.savetheinternet.com/
Found some news on it,
turns out Obama's on our side +)
http://www.savetheinternet.com/
Found some news on it,
turns out Obama's on our side +)
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Re: Orlyeh - 2009-06-26 |
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» MangoScango
Obama would just as surely control the internet as save it. Keep governments away from the administration of any part of the internet. Check out the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 and what powers it would give the President.
"But but it would help in an emergency!"
Yeah, just like the emergency in Iran and their crackdown on cybertraffic to get the news out.
Obama would just as surely control the internet as save it. Keep governments away from the administration of any part of the internet. Check out the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 and what powers it would give the President.
"But but it would help in an emergency!"
Yeah, just like the emergency in Iran and their crackdown on cybertraffic to get the news out.
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by WiiRolled - 2009-06-26 |
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» Wow
That's pretty extreme.
Similar laws have been suggested by the german government.
There's much resistance against it.
That's pretty extreme.
Similar laws have been suggested by the german government.
There's much resistance against it.
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by icypsp - 2009-06-26 |
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» Real talk
F/K them! Nuff said.
They fk'n with our video games yall. Yo i dont give a fk! I aint playing no (E) rated games on my 360 ps3 CPU for the rest of my life! Technology too advance for that. Tell they government they can suck a d/k! As explicit this comment may be im sure all of yall can agree! Parent should always be in control of what their children, or teenagers see!
F/K them! Nuff said.
They fk'n with our video games yall. Yo i dont give a fk! I aint playing no (E) rated games on my 360 ps3 CPU for the rest of my life! Technology too advance for that. Tell they government they can suck a d/k! As explicit this comment may be im sure all of yall can agree! Parent should always be in control of what their children, or teenagers see!
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Re: papajag - 2009-06-26 |
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» Damn...
If they can't understand whatchu said I'll pop a bullet up they asses. 4real.
Good luck Gh05t.
If they can't understand whatchu said I'll pop a bullet up they asses. 4real.
Good luck Gh05t.
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Re: joebo19x - 2009-06-26 |
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» you sir.
are an idiot. if you don't want to play anymore E rated games don't play LBP, or basically any puzzle game, most live or psn games, never buy a wii.
A LOT of games are rated E and and are much more fun then a game based around blood and gore.
are an idiot. if you don't want to play anymore E rated games don't play LBP, or basically any puzzle game, most live or psn games, never buy a wii.
A LOT of games are rated E and and are much more fun then a game based around blood and gore.
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Re: iamshadow - 2009-06-26 |
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» Theres nothing wrong with E rated games...
E rated games can actually be more fun than a M rated game, although, more than half of my games are rated T and up, i still play a large amount of E rated games.
E rated games can actually be more fun than a M rated game, although, more than half of my games are rated T and up, i still play a large amount of E rated games.
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Re: icypsp - 2009-06-26 |
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» Thats not the point you LAMES!!!
@ joebo19x
@ iamshadow
The point is their government is walking where they have no buisness going. If your parents cant discipline you (and i mean that strongly) then sadly your government will feel as though they need to. SO! This means EVERYBODY looses. Read the article, it looks like everyone will loose if their government succeeds. and FYI (E) Rated games are the shytt EX: Sonic, Monkeyball, LBP, etc, But there is more than just collecting coins and crap, I need my HALO, Killzone 2, Fallout, and Resistance. Think outside the box and thats when (M) Rated games will come in. I dont need some idiot to tell me "hey man (E) Rated games can be fun" Dude STFU anyone could have just said that for no reason, so pay attention next time.
You two are a bunch of posers, followers, pu$$ies, @ joebo19x @ iamshadow, i bet you two always do what youre told or go with any crowd. You two both fail with misreble lives and sadly do not know it. But me? me and all the other gamers or people who want freedom will continue to think outside the box and create new things whether they evolve from rated (E) to (M) or not.
Im a grown ass man, what the f/k i look like playing some childrens game for entertainment or streaming some Disney movie.
im just being real, is that too real for you, go cry to you government Bichiz!
@ joebo19x
@ iamshadow
The point is their government is walking where they have no buisness going. If your parents cant discipline you (and i mean that strongly) then sadly your government will feel as though they need to. SO! This means EVERYBODY looses. Read the article, it looks like everyone will loose if their government succeeds. and FYI (E) Rated games are the shytt EX: Sonic, Monkeyball, LBP, etc, But there is more than just collecting coins and crap, I need my HALO, Killzone 2, Fallout, and Resistance. Think outside the box and thats when (M) Rated games will come in. I dont need some idiot to tell me "hey man (E) Rated games can be fun" Dude STFU anyone could have just said that for no reason, so pay attention next time.
You two are a bunch of posers, followers, pu$$ies, @ joebo19x @ iamshadow, i bet you two always do what youre told or go with any crowd. You two both fail with misreble lives and sadly do not know it. But me? me and all the other gamers or people who want freedom will continue to think outside the box and create new things whether they evolve from rated (E) to (M) or not.
Im a grown ass man, what the f/k i look like playing some childrens game for entertainment or streaming some Disney movie.
im just being real, is that too real for you, go cry to you government Bichiz!
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by Gh05t - 2009-06-26 |
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» Idiocy
I'm an Australian, I am one of the 100,000+ people (1/40th of the population) that signed the GetUp petition to stop the internet content filtering scheme, and I (unfortunately now) voted for the Labor government. If this sh*t gets through, I'll never vote for them again. We'll be no better than China soon. If I want to buy an R18+ game, let me do it. It's my choice, not the governments. We all know that even if we can't buy it, we'll P2P it. If anyone knows Conroy's address, let me know. I'd like to bash his head against a concrete wall and tell him that AUSTRALIA IS A FREE COUNTRY. STOP INTERFERING WITH PEOPLE'S FREE WILL!!!
F**K OFF CONROY!!!
I'm an Australian, I am one of the 100,000+ people (1/40th of the population) that signed the GetUp petition to stop the internet content filtering scheme, and I (unfortunately now) voted for the Labor government. If this sh*t gets through, I'll never vote for them again. We'll be no better than China soon. If I want to buy an R18+ game, let me do it. It's my choice, not the governments. We all know that even if we can't buy it, we'll P2P it. If anyone knows Conroy's address, let me know. I'd like to bash his head against a concrete wall and tell him that AUSTRALIA IS A FREE COUNTRY. STOP INTERFERING WITH PEOPLE'S FREE WILL!!!
F**K OFF CONROY!!!
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Re: Silver-Tiger - 2009-06-26 |
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I exactly know howyou feel, we in Germany are treated the same way. Our games get censored or won't arrive here at all. And now they might even ban mature games at all. It's sad that high developed countries like ours can nearly be compared to China.
I exactly know howyou feel, we in Germany are treated the same way. Our games get censored or won't arrive here at all. And now they might even ban mature games at all. It's sad that high developed countries like ours can nearly be compared to China.
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Re: damien1986 - 2009-06-26 |
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» lol
I'd like to bash his head against a concrete wall
This is why you australians deserves this law
I'd like to bash his head against a concrete wall
This is why you australians deserves this law
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Re: mr.x256 - 2009-06-27 |
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» I'd like to bash his head against a concrete wall
Make sure you film yourself beating him and then release the video online with an MA-15+ rating.
Make sure you film yourself beating him and then release the video online with an MA-15+ rating.
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by mklem3 - 2009-06-26 |
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» .......
This is really stupid, what about sites like Ebay, are they going to block that as well
This is really stupid, what about sites like Ebay, are they going to block that as well
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by Navani - 2009-06-26 |
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» woo
Can't wait til this more liberal generation controls the world's politics (and you can argue, the truth is liberalism always wins out in the long run).
And this is the coming of Big Brother!!
Can't wait til this more liberal generation controls the world's politics (and you can argue, the truth is liberalism always wins out in the long run).
And this is the coming of Big Brother!!
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Re: raggedjimmi - 2009-06-26 |
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Do you have any proof of that wild claim, by the way? Liberalism only "wins out" when its enforced by a secondary state. Infact it completely depends on the area you're talking about. Somewhere as diverse and immigrant driven as the US will be more liberal since that is the nature of an immigrant powered country.
However somewhere established like the middle east, some areas of Europe are much more conservative since they're an older society with historical bits to "conserve".
Aka, don't say silly things.
Do you have any proof of that wild claim, by the way? Liberalism only "wins out" when its enforced by a secondary state. Infact it completely depends on the area you're talking about. Somewhere as diverse and immigrant driven as the US will be more liberal since that is the nature of an immigrant powered country.
However somewhere established like the middle east, some areas of Europe are much more conservative since they're an older society with historical bits to "conserve".
Aka, don't say silly things.
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Re: Navani - 2009-06-26 |
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» well
Everything changes in time !
Everything changes in time !
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by apex05 - 2009-06-26 |
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» No nonsense
I love Australia but their view on violent games is just getting ridiculous, I always thought Australians had a no nonsense approach to life but this current government seems to take the view of fixing small problems with a big hammer.
I love Australia but their view on violent games is just getting ridiculous, I always thought Australians had a no nonsense approach to life but this current government seems to take the view of fixing small problems with a big hammer.
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Re: mr.x256 - 2009-06-27 |
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That's what they always do.
That's what they always do.
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by raggedjimmi - 2009-06-26 |
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This is ridiculous. No doubt it will be retracted at the next election, once censorship has been introduced a rebellion against that party usually follows. So I wouldn't worry for too long Australians. Just vote for the other guy before the laws become further established.
Protests would be good too.
This is ridiculous. No doubt it will be retracted at the next election, once censorship has been introduced a rebellion against that party usually follows. So I wouldn't worry for too long Australians. Just vote for the other guy before the laws become further established.
Protests would be good too.
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by Deino - 2009-06-26 |
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» No Wonder
its a no wonder why countries like australia would do such a thing...look at their bloody history of racism, violence and crime...
its a no wonder why countries like australia would do such a thing...look at their bloody history of racism, violence and crime...
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Re: sickofitall - 2009-06-26 |
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» not a good point
there are so many other countries that you can say that about.
It does sound like AU is becoming more like China.
there are so many other countries that you can say that about.
It does sound like AU is becoming more like China.
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Re: Foolmonkey - 2009-06-26 |
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» lol wut
Racism, violence, and crime... The US was founded on those traits, LOL, and the US has yet to ban any games due to their content unlike tons of other countries have.
Racism, violence, and crime... The US was founded on those traits, LOL, and the US has yet to ban any games due to their content unlike tons of other countries have.
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Re: Deino - 2009-06-26 |
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» Not a good point
Personally, i believe that system ratings is an important issue.
Its good to be strict about it.
But to ban games? maybe thats abit harsh.
China is a country too big. Imagine if all the kids were given access to games like GTA. Imagine the influence it will give towards a child. The same goes to australia i guess. The amount of racial discrimination and violence there is quite bad you know.
Personally, i believe that system ratings is an important issue.
Its good to be strict about it.
But to ban games? maybe thats abit harsh.
China is a country too big. Imagine if all the kids were given access to games like GTA. Imagine the influence it will give towards a child. The same goes to australia i guess. The amount of racial discrimination and violence there is quite bad you know.
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Re: mr.x256 - 2009-06-27 |
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» -
Australia is a big country but it has a small population.
Australia is a big country but it has a small population.
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by MaeseDude - 2009-06-26 |
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» Mail order even ????
Jeez... Does that mean that ANY online shop that sells games falling under this category will be blocked?
Whoa - can't be, or they would have to even block shops like Amazon (US) etc., since there are a lot of big stores selling adult games through mail order.
Sound like an amazingly stupid law, completely impossible to enforce without heavily damaging e-commerce and making Australia look like a land of dolts. I sure hope for the aussies that they will stop this idiocy from happening.
Jeez... Does that mean that ANY online shop that sells games falling under this category will be blocked?
Whoa - can't be, or they would have to even block shops like Amazon (US) etc., since there are a lot of big stores selling adult games through mail order.
Sound like an amazingly stupid law, completely impossible to enforce without heavily damaging e-commerce and making Australia look like a land of dolts. I sure hope for the aussies that they will stop this idiocy from happening.
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by FelisCatusLover - 2009-06-26 |
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» ...
Good because the number 18 is not magical...
Good because the number 18 is not magical...
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by CityNightRush117 - 2009-06-26 |
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» O yeah
Yeah, like there aren't more pressing matters that deserve attention rather than the images we enjoy seeing on our screens. Man, this world is coming to an end, politics have become a nuisance and the big chairmen are becoming corrupt, we need something new, gaming is the future, especially since the world is coming to an end with this gasoline crap and war.
Yeah, like there aren't more pressing matters that deserve attention rather than the images we enjoy seeing on our screens. Man, this world is coming to an end, politics have become a nuisance and the big chairmen are becoming corrupt, we need something new, gaming is the future, especially since the world is coming to an end with this gasoline crap and war.
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by RSX46 - 2009-06-26 |
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» Sucks!
Man, that sucks! Part of the NWO I guess...
We will all be screwed if ***** like this keeps up!
Man, that sucks! Part of the NWO I guess...
We will all be screwed if ***** like this keeps up!
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by genesiscopy - 2009-06-26 |
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» funny
cause the ones that usually buy those stuff ( I mean gamers in Ausie) is typically working class between 20-35, and they want to stop us from getting our own content suitable with the age rating... this is like banning altogether adult mags like Ralph or Hustler. wow.
this may open a new market for smuggling games to ausie.. lol.. and no more market for MMOs... wow... imagine that.. play-asia will remove Oz as their mailing list.. wow... so what's the use of the rating system again?
cause the ones that usually buy those stuff ( I mean gamers in Ausie) is typically working class between 20-35, and they want to stop us from getting our own content suitable with the age rating... this is like banning altogether adult mags like Ralph or Hustler. wow.
this may open a new market for smuggling games to ausie.. lol.. and no more market for MMOs... wow... imagine that.. play-asia will remove Oz as their mailing list.. wow... so what's the use of the rating system again?
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by pspsampsp - 2009-06-26 |
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» i hope.......
i hope new zealand doesnt follow in there footsteps or i will be even more pissed off
i hope new zealand doesnt follow in there footsteps or i will be even more pissed off
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by BloodMachine - 2009-06-26 |
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» What are they saying?
The header says games with content "beyond MA-15" will be blocked. This only means games that are R-18, of which there are EXTREMELY few, because no one buys them. What's more, a lot of R-18 level games get banned, and most of the ones that don't never come to Australia anyway.
So the law practically doesn't do anything at all.
On the other hand, the article says games with "content deemed too controversial for a 15-year-old". This doesn't actually make sense, as there's no M-14 rating, but it could suggest MA15 and M15 games will be banned, which means games like GTA IV and CoD4.
So...the article doesn't make sense. Great.
They'd better not ban M15 games, that'd just be ridiculous. Why do we have to be the country banning violent games? I mean, *****, we don't ban books and movies. At least movies realistically portray it.
The header says games with content "beyond MA-15" will be blocked. This only means games that are R-18, of which there are EXTREMELY few, because no one buys them. What's more, a lot of R-18 level games get banned, and most of the ones that don't never come to Australia anyway.
So the law practically doesn't do anything at all.
On the other hand, the article says games with "content deemed too controversial for a 15-year-old". This doesn't actually make sense, as there's no M-14 rating, but it could suggest MA15 and M15 games will be banned, which means games like GTA IV and CoD4.
So...the article doesn't make sense. Great.
They'd better not ban M15 games, that'd just be ridiculous. Why do we have to be the country banning violent games? I mean, *****, we don't ban books and movies. At least movies realistically portray it.
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by apex05 - 2009-06-26 |
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» Mod
If people can't buy the game they want they'll be forced to get the console chipped and download the games, then they probably less likely to buy the games that are available and all this is going to affect the economy, and i mean i been looking at the laws they been implementing the last few years and i don't like the way Australia seems to be heading, and for them image is very important because tourism is a massive part of their economy.
If people can't buy the game they want they'll be forced to get the console chipped and download the games, then they probably less likely to buy the games that are available and all this is going to affect the economy, and i mean i been looking at the laws they been implementing the last few years and i don't like the way Australia seems to be heading, and for them image is very important because tourism is a massive part of their economy.
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by Orlyeh - 2009-06-26 |
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» Australians
Aussies should have risen up and marched down their streets long ago with their rifles in hand in protest.
What? The government effectively banned rifle ownership without "proof of need"? So, let me get this straight, Australians couldn't, should they need to, rise up and kill their leaders in a massive and liberating revolution should the need arise?
Oh. Well, in the greater sense of things, video game censorship is really a drop in the bucket.
Allow the government to run your lives, and they will RUN your lives.
Aussies should have risen up and marched down their streets long ago with their rifles in hand in protest.
What? The government effectively banned rifle ownership without "proof of need"? So, let me get this straight, Australians couldn't, should they need to, rise up and kill their leaders in a massive and liberating revolution should the need arise?
Oh. Well, in the greater sense of things, video game censorship is really a drop in the bucket.
Allow the government to run your lives, and they will RUN your lives.
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Re: mike61732002 - 2009-06-26 |
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» RE: Australians
Actually, if the need came about to "rise up and kill our leaders" in Australia we wouldnt have to... instead, the Governor General, who answers to the Queen of England, has the power to essentially dissolve government and call new elections. Until Australia becomes a republic, which citizens have voted against in the past, there will always be that protection there. And the reason why the government banned rifle ownership was a part of a plan to curb gun ownership; in a sense, stop gun ownership running rampant throughout the community where people have no need for guns whatsoever. If the government are doing their job properly, and in turn armed forces are controlled and delegated responsibly too, then the general community has no need for guns. (the "proof of need" was for farmers who "need" to use guns to protect their produce...). I believe the Governor General has only had to use such power once, though, with the dismissal of the Whitlam Government in the constitutional crisis of 1975.
But back on topic, I agree with most (all?) people here... the Labor Government's plans to filter the internet, and in turn block the download of games above MA15+, is just pathetic.. As other people have stated, the majority of Australians don%u2019t agree with these plans at all... but I feel as if there will only be a strong reaction to it once it is implemented. The previous government, the Howard (Liberal) Government, gave away free Internet filtering programs (which a letter was sent about to every family), however not to their surprise not even 30,000 downloads of the software occurred...This, when contrasted to Australia's population of 20 million+, is strong evidence that the Australian people don%u2019t want their access to information, including games, restricted where unnecessary (as in, where parents should be taking responsibility for what their children access themselves%u2026instead of allowing the Government to do it for them%u2026)
Actually, if the need came about to "rise up and kill our leaders" in Australia we wouldnt have to... instead, the Governor General, who answers to the Queen of England, has the power to essentially dissolve government and call new elections. Until Australia becomes a republic, which citizens have voted against in the past, there will always be that protection there. And the reason why the government banned rifle ownership was a part of a plan to curb gun ownership; in a sense, stop gun ownership running rampant throughout the community where people have no need for guns whatsoever. If the government are doing their job properly, and in turn armed forces are controlled and delegated responsibly too, then the general community has no need for guns. (the "proof of need" was for farmers who "need" to use guns to protect their produce...). I believe the Governor General has only had to use such power once, though, with the dismissal of the Whitlam Government in the constitutional crisis of 1975.
But back on topic, I agree with most (all?) people here... the Labor Government's plans to filter the internet, and in turn block the download of games above MA15+, is just pathetic.. As other people have stated, the majority of Australians don%u2019t agree with these plans at all... but I feel as if there will only be a strong reaction to it once it is implemented. The previous government, the Howard (Liberal) Government, gave away free Internet filtering programs (which a letter was sent about to every family), however not to their surprise not even 30,000 downloads of the software occurred...This, when contrasted to Australia's population of 20 million+, is strong evidence that the Australian people don%u2019t want their access to information, including games, restricted where unnecessary (as in, where parents should be taking responsibility for what their children access themselves%u2026instead of allowing the Government to do it for them%u2026)
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Re: Orlyeh - 2009-06-27 |
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» I'm sorry
"where people have no need for guns whatsoever"
I'm sorry. You've lost all credibility in this argument and should reevaluate your positions. It is not up to YOU or the GOVERNMENT to decide who has a need for a gun. Self-protection and gun ownership by extension are rights granted upon all men (and women) by God (I use this term loosely as I am an atheist).
You've already shown yourself incapable of even considering that the governor general sits idly by why your rights are usurped by the ruling body.
The PEOPLE, not the governor general, should have the power to change the government. Again, it's too late. Australia is a prison state and its citizens subjects without fundamental rights.
"where people have no need for guns whatsoever"
I'm sorry. You've lost all credibility in this argument and should reevaluate your positions. It is not up to YOU or the GOVERNMENT to decide who has a need for a gun. Self-protection and gun ownership by extension are rights granted upon all men (and women) by God (I use this term loosely as I am an atheist).
You've already shown yourself incapable of even considering that the governor general sits idly by why your rights are usurped by the ruling body.
The PEOPLE, not the governor general, should have the power to change the government. Again, it's too late. Australia is a prison state and its citizens subjects without fundamental rights.
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Re: somemadcaaant - 2009-06-27 |
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» re:I'm sorry
Orlyeh mate gees lol Mike is on our side.
Tis bad tho, no denying stupid facts. Makes me want to hit myself over the head with a stupid hammer, since i know my tax money will be spent to further this "mandatory censorship scheme".
Orlyeh mate gees lol Mike is on our side.
Tis bad tho, no denying stupid facts. Makes me want to hit myself over the head with a stupid hammer, since i know my tax money will be spent to further this "mandatory censorship scheme".
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Re: mike61732002 - 2009-06-27 |
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» re:I'm sorry
%u201CI'm sorry. You've lost all credibility in this argument and should reevaluate your positions. It is not up to YOU or the GOVERNMENT to decide who has a need for a gun. Self-protection and gun ownership by extension are rights granted upon all men (and women) by God (I use this term loosely as I am an atheist).%u201D
Although you %u201Cuse the term loosely%u201D, I am baffled as to why you would say that God permits gun ownership when you are an Atheist :S If you are an Atheist, you really shouldn%u2019t be using the words of a God to justify the way you choose to live your life, or the attitudes/views you choose to have%u2026 With that said, that is where you seem to lose credibility lol%u2026 But even so, I will respond as best I can%u2026 (I am atheist too btw) In Australia, it is against the constitution for religion to play any part in Government activities whatsoever, so in effect laws are made without bias towards any major religion in our country. So, citizens cannot simply say they are allowed to bear arms because their religion allows it%u2026 I%u2019m not sure if you are aware of how bad the situation was before the stricter gun laws were implemented, but if you did you would realise that they were required before things got out of hand (for example, farmers arming themselves with guns one would think should only be used by specially trained armed forces..) In fact, the Prime Minster of the time, John Howard, thought it was so serious that he got up on a stage in front of hundreds, if not thousands of these farmers and other citizens to argue his case%u2026and not to his surprise he was met with an extremely angry response from the crowd%u2026but nevertheless he faced them head on. As you know, the laws were passed, and in turn Australia was made safer for all citizens. Shootings are much, much rarer in Australia compared to countries such as America where gun ownership laws are loose. In fact, any shooting is widely reported in the news and strongly condemned by the public. BUT, I think you think Australia%u2019s gun laws are much stricter than they actually are%u2026 Australia competes in Shooting in the Olympics and as such, there is a significant amount of people who possess guns for sporting purposes (shooting targets), but rather than simply buying a gun out of WalMart, they have to go through a number of checks to make certain they are able to use a gun in a responsible manner.
And the Australian people DO have the power to change the government%u2026essentially every four years in Federal and State elections. I%u2019m not sure exactly how American politics operate, but one political party in Australia simply cannot dictate and abuse the Australian people if they have the majority%u2026 if the Governor General hasn%u2019t done so, the people and other political parties can call for early elections and thus reorganize government in a manner favourable to the people. And if Federal government is doing something wrong, State governments can counter it%u2026and if State Governments are in the wrong, Federal Government can counter them%u2026 Without going into too much detail, basically there is no need for citizens to barge into parliament with guns in order to change things, there are plenty of legal means to do so that can%u2019t be hindered by the political group the people are rallying against %u2013 the people are protected by the Constitution in this and all other manners, which cannot be altered without a nationwide vote on the issue. And in regards to the Governor General, like I said previously, he/she answers to not only themselves but also the Queen of England %u2013 If the Queen, and thus the government of England, determines Australia%u2019s government is in disarray and not working in favour of the people, then they have the power to dissolve it and establish a new one. In conclusion, it is not JUST the Governor General who have the power to change government, the people have just as much power too%u2026 without the need for guns.
%u201CAustralia is a prison state and its
%u201CI'm sorry. You've lost all credibility in this argument and should reevaluate your positions. It is not up to YOU or the GOVERNMENT to decide who has a need for a gun. Self-protection and gun ownership by extension are rights granted upon all men (and women) by God (I use this term loosely as I am an atheist).%u201D
Although you %u201Cuse the term loosely%u201D, I am baffled as to why you would say that God permits gun ownership when you are an Atheist :S If you are an Atheist, you really shouldn%u2019t be using the words of a God to justify the way you choose to live your life, or the attitudes/views you choose to have%u2026 With that said, that is where you seem to lose credibility lol%u2026 But even so, I will respond as best I can%u2026 (I am atheist too btw) In Australia, it is against the constitution for religion to play any part in Government activities whatsoever, so in effect laws are made without bias towards any major religion in our country. So, citizens cannot simply say they are allowed to bear arms because their religion allows it%u2026 I%u2019m not sure if you are aware of how bad the situation was before the stricter gun laws were implemented, but if you did you would realise that they were required before things got out of hand (for example, farmers arming themselves with guns one would think should only be used by specially trained armed forces..) In fact, the Prime Minster of the time, John Howard, thought it was so serious that he got up on a stage in front of hundreds, if not thousands of these farmers and other citizens to argue his case%u2026and not to his surprise he was met with an extremely angry response from the crowd%u2026but nevertheless he faced them head on. As you know, the laws were passed, and in turn Australia was made safer for all citizens. Shootings are much, much rarer in Australia compared to countries such as America where gun ownership laws are loose. In fact, any shooting is widely reported in the news and strongly condemned by the public. BUT, I think you think Australia%u2019s gun laws are much stricter than they actually are%u2026 Australia competes in Shooting in the Olympics and as such, there is a significant amount of people who possess guns for sporting purposes (shooting targets), but rather than simply buying a gun out of WalMart, they have to go through a number of checks to make certain they are able to use a gun in a responsible manner.
And the Australian people DO have the power to change the government%u2026essentially every four years in Federal and State elections. I%u2019m not sure exactly how American politics operate, but one political party in Australia simply cannot dictate and abuse the Australian people if they have the majority%u2026 if the Governor General hasn%u2019t done so, the people and other political parties can call for early elections and thus reorganize government in a manner favourable to the people. And if Federal government is doing something wrong, State governments can counter it%u2026and if State Governments are in the wrong, Federal Government can counter them%u2026 Without going into too much detail, basically there is no need for citizens to barge into parliament with guns in order to change things, there are plenty of legal means to do so that can%u2019t be hindered by the political group the people are rallying against %u2013 the people are protected by the Constitution in this and all other manners, which cannot be altered without a nationwide vote on the issue. And in regards to the Governor General, like I said previously, he/she answers to not only themselves but also the Queen of England %u2013 If the Queen, and thus the government of England, determines Australia%u2019s government is in disarray and not working in favour of the people, then they have the power to dissolve it and establish a new one. In conclusion, it is not JUST the Governor General who have the power to change government, the people have just as much power too%u2026 without the need for guns.
%u201CAustralia is a prison state and its
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» re:I'm sorry
%u201CAustralia is a prison state and its citizens subjects without fundamental rights.%u201D
The Constitution, among other things, ensures citizens possess fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and religion, and thus a %u201Cprison state%u201D cannot be established in Australia %u2013 unless for some reason the majority of Australians voted in a referendum for a %u201Cprison state%u201D to be formed%u2026 :S
@somemadcaaant
Thanks for recognizing that yes, I am indeed on the same side of all of you regarding this issue lol%u2026 Let%u2019s just hope not too much of our taxes are wasted before the government realises the huge mistake they are making%u2026
(Im not sure what is happening with the formatting in these posts :S)
%u201CAustralia is a prison state and its citizens subjects without fundamental rights.%u201D
The Constitution, among other things, ensures citizens possess fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and religion, and thus a %u201Cprison state%u201D cannot be established in Australia %u2013 unless for some reason the majority of Australians voted in a referendum for a %u201Cprison state%u201D to be formed%u2026 :S
@somemadcaaant
Thanks for recognizing that yes, I am indeed on the same side of all of you regarding this issue lol%u2026 Let%u2019s just hope not too much of our taxes are wasted before the government realises the huge mistake they are making%u2026
(Im not sure what is happening with the formatting in these posts :S)
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Re: Orlyeh - 2009-06-28 |
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» mike61732002, the ignoramus
The right to self-defense and self-determination are fundamental "natural rights" of all humans. Whether one calls these rights "God-given" or "natural properties" is pretty much irrelevant since they cannot be taken away by man nor should they be restricted.
You've gone off on a stupid tangent in defending Australia's constitution when it's utterly pointless.
When someone takes away your fundamental right to defend yourself (as with a gun), you have allowed yourself to have your rights taken away. The constitution DOES NOT GRANT ANYBODY ANY RIGHTS. It is merely a document respecting preexisting rights and a theoretical limit on government.
Again, your credibility on the subject is utterly laughable.
The right to self-defense and self-determination are fundamental "natural rights" of all humans. Whether one calls these rights "God-given" or "natural properties" is pretty much irrelevant since they cannot be taken away by man nor should they be restricted.
You've gone off on a stupid tangent in defending Australia's constitution when it's utterly pointless.
When someone takes away your fundamental right to defend yourself (as with a gun), you have allowed yourself to have your rights taken away. The constitution DOES NOT GRANT ANYBODY ANY RIGHTS. It is merely a document respecting preexisting rights and a theoretical limit on government.
Again, your credibility on the subject is utterly laughable.
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by somemadcaaant - 2009-06-27 |
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» Faith in the fail ppl lol.
Ebay?! It's gonna have to censor it otherwise the entire scheme and money spent (my hard earned) to squash will fail. What happened to our official 18+ rating?!
People and their rediculous own ideas of moral standings and trying to govern how we spend our own coin.
My ISP already "tries" to reduce online content... If this works i'm moving f'n country, but I reckon it will fail as all online censorship fails.
20 aussie cents worth.
Ebay?! It's gonna have to censor it otherwise the entire scheme and money spent (my hard earned) to squash will fail. What happened to our official 18+ rating?!
People and their rediculous own ideas of moral standings and trying to govern how we spend our own coin.
My ISP already "tries" to reduce online content... If this works i'm moving f'n country, but I reckon it will fail as all online censorship fails.
20 aussie cents worth.
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by stalker777 - 2009-06-27 |
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» OpenDNS
OpenDNS ;)
OpenDNS ;)
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by RockmanForte - 2009-06-27 |
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» Australia is smarter than America!
Congratulation Australia. I am so proud of you... Stupid America!
It is not necessarily. Good job, Australia! :)
Congratulation Australia. I am so proud of you... Stupid America!
It is not necessarily. Good job, Australia! :)
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Re: FelisCatusLover - 2009-06-28 |
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» ...
Drop dead Mr. Thompson.
Drop dead Mr. Thompson.
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by DXcellence - 2009-07-10 |
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» :D
LOL sucks to be in australia i guess :/ im actually grateful i live in the USA
LOL sucks to be in australia i guess :/ im actually grateful i live in the USA
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