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by scarface_tha_second - 2008-03-11 |
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» PS3 will rise over 360
I think that the 360 will be third in the console race by mid 2009. Before I explain my stance, I would like to ask all fan boys to shut the ***** up before they even start. Try and look at what I'm saying without bias. I'm not denying that I like the PS3 the best out of the next-gen consoles, but I am extremely open to all three. Great games are great games, it doesn't matter what console. Also, I am not writing here to help Sony's cause, simply saying what I think. Don't flame me because you love your 360//Wii so much that you cannot stand hearing other people's oppinion. Now, to explain:
- PlayStation's biggest gaming franchises are getting sequels in the extremely near future. Although some of these titles have gone multi-platform, I still believe that they will help Sony push more consoles than Microsoft (GTA may be an exception even though I wouldn't be surprised to see the exclusive content on PS3 after a while). These series include Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Gran Turismo and God of War.
- Blu-ray's victory over HD DVD WILL PUSH CONSOLES. I know a lot of you will disagree. I've read a lot from everyon about how video formats don't really contribute to console sales. I beg to differ.
- Inevitable price drop in light of cheapening technology. This will also have to come around because of pressure from Microsoft and Nintendo.
- Playstation 2 owners will begin to upgrade, and while many will lean towards the Wii, those who are chosing between 360 and PS3 will go with Sony. I honestly can't see anybody upgrading from a PS2 to a 360 anymore. This was the case for quite a while because of the lack of good games on the PS3. I would love to see anyone make this claim anymore. This is because we now have great exclusives (both out and coming) as well as many of 360's games going multi-platform.
For every great 360 exclusive you can name, I can name one for the Wii and one for PS3. Microsoft's claim to have the most exclusives has now been destroyed by Nintendo. It's really easy to say you have a great array of exclusives when the other two platforms for exclusives have NOT even come out yet.
What I'm trying to say is that Microsoft is starting slip in a similar way that they did with the original *****box. Back then, I was so much of a fan boy that I would have never invested into a console made by Microsoft. Now, I'm starting to feel really stiffed as somebody who bought a PS3, bought a Wii and then bought a 360. Why? because I'm starting to feel as if that third spend was a pretty big waste. Almost EVERY SINGLE 360 game that I like has started being ported to PC. Hell, there is no freaking way I am going to buy the Gears of War and Mass Effect sequels because I have a PC that has a much better video card than the one in my 360. Maybe I'll rent em, but if I know that they are only timed exclusives, why would I use an analog to play a shooter instead of a mouse?
Sorry for the long post. I'm looking forward to hearing your different perspectives on what I said.
I think that the 360 will be third in the console race by mid 2009. Before I explain my stance, I would like to ask all fan boys to shut the ***** up before they even start. Try and look at what I'm saying without bias. I'm not denying that I like the PS3 the best out of the next-gen consoles, but I am extremely open to all three. Great games are great games, it doesn't matter what console. Also, I am not writing here to help Sony's cause, simply saying what I think. Don't flame me because you love your 360//Wii so much that you cannot stand hearing other people's oppinion. Now, to explain:
- PlayStation's biggest gaming franchises are getting sequels in the extremely near future. Although some of these titles have gone multi-platform, I still believe that they will help Sony push more consoles than Microsoft (GTA may be an exception even though I wouldn't be surprised to see the exclusive content on PS3 after a while). These series include Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Gran Turismo and God of War.
- Blu-ray's victory over HD DVD WILL PUSH CONSOLES. I know a lot of you will disagree. I've read a lot from everyon about how video formats don't really contribute to console sales. I beg to differ.
- Inevitable price drop in light of cheapening technology. This will also have to come around because of pressure from Microsoft and Nintendo.
- Playstation 2 owners will begin to upgrade, and while many will lean towards the Wii, those who are chosing between 360 and PS3 will go with Sony. I honestly can't see anybody upgrading from a PS2 to a 360 anymore. This was the case for quite a while because of the lack of good games on the PS3. I would love to see anyone make this claim anymore. This is because we now have great exclusives (both out and coming) as well as many of 360's games going multi-platform.
For every great 360 exclusive you can name, I can name one for the Wii and one for PS3. Microsoft's claim to have the most exclusives has now been destroyed by Nintendo. It's really easy to say you have a great array of exclusives when the other two platforms for exclusives have NOT even come out yet.
What I'm trying to say is that Microsoft is starting slip in a similar way that they did with the original *****box. Back then, I was so much of a fan boy that I would have never invested into a console made by Microsoft. Now, I'm starting to feel really stiffed as somebody who bought a PS3, bought a Wii and then bought a 360. Why? because I'm starting to feel as if that third spend was a pretty big waste. Almost EVERY SINGLE 360 game that I like has started being ported to PC. Hell, there is no freaking way I am going to buy the Gears of War and Mass Effect sequels because I have a PC that has a much better video card than the one in my 360. Maybe I'll rent em, but if I know that they are only timed exclusives, why would I use an analog to play a shooter instead of a mouse?
Sorry for the long post. I'm looking forward to hearing your different perspectives on what I said.
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Re: Steven777 - 2008-03-11 |
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» Agreed
I too own a PS3 and a Wii. I have found no reason to buy a xbox360 due to the multi-platform games as well as the support of the japanese for the said two consoles. Any great game that comes out for the 360 as a console exclusive will eventually/ has already come out on the PC. That is one of the cons for the xbox360, as well as the consoles defects; RROD, Disc Tray not opening, Scratched Discs.
I too own a PS3 and a Wii. I have found no reason to buy a xbox360 due to the multi-platform games as well as the support of the japanese for the said two consoles. Any great game that comes out for the 360 as a console exclusive will eventually/ has already come out on the PC. That is one of the cons for the xbox360, as well as the consoles defects; RROD, Disc Tray not opening, Scratched Discs.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-03-11 |
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» really?
"For every great 360 exclusive you can name, I can name one for the Wii and one for PS3. Microsoft's claim to have the most exclusives has now been destroyed by Nintendo. It's really easy to say you have a great array of exclusives when the other two platforms for exclusives have NOT even come out yet."
You're right, I can name some great Wii exclusives.
Bleach Shattered Blade, Endless Ocean, Carnival Games, Sonic Riders, Red Steel, Winter Sports 2008, Cooking Mama, Soul Caliber Legends, NBA Live 08, Godzilla Unleashed, Samurai Warriors, Donky Kong Barrel Blast, Nitro Bike, Genga World Tour, The Ant Bully, and more.
Oh wait, those are all horrible Wii exclusives. The Wii does have Smash Brothers, Mario Galaxy, and Red Steel. Oh yes interactive weighing scale Wii Fit and a predicable Mario Kart Sequel, possibly to make up for the crappy Gamecube version. At least those will remain great Wii exclusives for the fans although I find Mario overused and annoying. Maybe that's why the Wii has nothing that interests me.
Also, is it really worth spending as much on a video card for your PC as it is a XBOX 360? I got to play Gears of War a whole year earlier than the PC version came out. Bioshock on the 360 has graphics just as good as a mid grade PC. PC games are great and all, but they need to be upgraded more frequently than consoles and cost more in the first place.
"For every great 360 exclusive you can name, I can name one for the Wii and one for PS3. Microsoft's claim to have the most exclusives has now been destroyed by Nintendo. It's really easy to say you have a great array of exclusives when the other two platforms for exclusives have NOT even come out yet."
You're right, I can name some great Wii exclusives.
Bleach Shattered Blade, Endless Ocean, Carnival Games, Sonic Riders, Red Steel, Winter Sports 2008, Cooking Mama, Soul Caliber Legends, NBA Live 08, Godzilla Unleashed, Samurai Warriors, Donky Kong Barrel Blast, Nitro Bike, Genga World Tour, The Ant Bully, and more.
Oh wait, those are all horrible Wii exclusives. The Wii does have Smash Brothers, Mario Galaxy, and Red Steel. Oh yes interactive weighing scale Wii Fit and a predicable Mario Kart Sequel, possibly to make up for the crappy Gamecube version. At least those will remain great Wii exclusives for the fans although I find Mario overused and annoying. Maybe that's why the Wii has nothing that interests me.
Also, is it really worth spending as much on a video card for your PC as it is a XBOX 360? I got to play Gears of War a whole year earlier than the PC version came out. Bioshock on the 360 has graphics just as good as a mid grade PC. PC games are great and all, but they need to be upgraded more frequently than consoles and cost more in the first place.
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Re: Master Chef - 2008-03-11 |
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» I agree with MCS
Maybe you could name *a* exclusive for the Wii and PS3 for every great 360 exclusive, but you could not name a great one if your life depended on it.
I have a Wii and all the great games for it, and am enjoying the new Smash Bros a ton, but come on now. 360 >>>>>> Wii when it comes to exclusives
Maybe you could name *a* exclusive for the Wii and PS3 for every great 360 exclusive, but you could not name a great one if your life depended on it.
I have a Wii and all the great games for it, and am enjoying the new Smash Bros a ton, but come on now. 360 >>>>>> Wii when it comes to exclusives
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by Kingofdaberbz - 2008-03-11 |
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» @scarface_tha_second complete nonsense
To begin,I never knew being #2 was the new number 1 lol.First all most people care about when buying a console is price and games.The price of the ps3 is better but as long as it is AT LEAST $100 cheaper than the ps3 it will outsell it.Why? because the games are similar and that's the main purpose people buy games.The only three games worth mentioning on the ps3 this year are MGS4(cult game)LBP(unproven) KZ2 a shooter.MGS4 isn't any kind of God game only ppl who play all the previous ones and who already own a ps3 I'll be surprised if MGS4 sell 2 million copies.Now about PC games and 360 I don't see what's so bad since most ppl play console games instead of bothering with gaming rigs which cost THOUSANDS to the soon to be $200 Xbox 360.That's when the ps2 dominated the market at the $200 price point,even though this will never happen with the ps3.The 360 will outsell the ps3 at that price easily.Now back to the games thing 360 has GAME COMING OUT THAT ARE NOT COMING TO PC-Lost Odyssey,Ninja Gaiden 2,Too human,Fable 2,Banjo 3,Cry On,Infinite Undiscovery,Tales of Vesparia,Halo Wars and Gears Of War 2.Now the ones that are already released
Halo 3
Saints Row
Crackdown
GEON: emotions,
Switchball,
Earth Defense Force 2017
Commanders: Attack!
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation,
Project Gotham Racing 3
Kameo: Elements of Power
Dance Dance Revolution Universe
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2,
Top Spin 2
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action,
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja
MotoGP 08,
Beautiful Katamari,
Viva Pinata: Party Animals,
Project Gotham Racing 4,
Project Sylpheed
Bomberman Live
Carcassonne
Tenchu Z
Fuzion Frenzy 2
MotoGP 06
Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged Volume 1
Kengo: Legend of the 9
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Okay well if your not interested in NONE of these games that's good for you.
To begin,I never knew being #2 was the new number 1 lol.First all most people care about when buying a console is price and games.The price of the ps3 is better but as long as it is AT LEAST $100 cheaper than the ps3 it will outsell it.Why? because the games are similar and that's the main purpose people buy games.The only three games worth mentioning on the ps3 this year are MGS4(cult game)LBP(unproven) KZ2 a shooter.MGS4 isn't any kind of God game only ppl who play all the previous ones and who already own a ps3 I'll be surprised if MGS4 sell 2 million copies.Now about PC games and 360 I don't see what's so bad since most ppl play console games instead of bothering with gaming rigs which cost THOUSANDS to the soon to be $200 Xbox 360.That's when the ps2 dominated the market at the $200 price point,even though this will never happen with the ps3.The 360 will outsell the ps3 at that price easily.Now back to the games thing 360 has GAME COMING OUT THAT ARE NOT COMING TO PC-Lost Odyssey,Ninja Gaiden 2,Too human,Fable 2,Banjo 3,Cry On,Infinite Undiscovery,Tales of Vesparia,Halo Wars and Gears Of War 2.Now the ones that are already released
Halo 3
Saints Row
Crackdown
GEON: emotions,
Switchball,
Earth Defense Force 2017
Commanders: Attack!
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation,
Project Gotham Racing 3
Kameo: Elements of Power
Dance Dance Revolution Universe
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2,
Top Spin 2
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action,
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja
MotoGP 08,
Beautiful Katamari,
Viva Pinata: Party Animals,
Project Gotham Racing 4,
Project Sylpheed
Bomberman Live
Carcassonne
Tenchu Z
Fuzion Frenzy 2
MotoGP 06
Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged Volume 1
Kengo: Legend of the 9
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Okay well if your not interested in NONE of these games that's good for you.
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Re: platon - 2008-03-11 |
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» lol
Okay. The xbox 360 have good games for the majority of people, like the ps3 have. The only thing that is important is the hot exclusives. And not a lot of those tiles are hot nor exclusives... lol. Personnally, I'd buy lost odyssey, blue dragon and eternal sonata, that's it. But normal people would buy halo3, dead rising, project gotham, and the soon to pop games like fables 2 and too human.
On the ps3, you have gran turismo for racing exclusive (hard to kill), you have NO JRPG to conter my favorites (sad... but the final fantasy games are ps3 only so...), Haze/killzone/resistance2 to conter halo 3 and few other shooters not know to me (surely there is, I'm not god, I don't know a lot), etc. I don't think MGS4 will sell that well (surely well because of the hype, and the fan, I mean, I finished all the MGS games, but it's like everybody know the serie now, so I suppose it's just the hype machine).
Anyway, I could buy a used x360 for 100$ max, then buy my 3 games, maybe fables 2. But I'm not sure right now. I'll surely lack money so I'll wait for the finals with GTA4, MGS4, GT prologue (a kind of big demo that cost too much but... I like those games :( .), motorstorm2 (liked the 1st for online :D), little big planet (I don't like this kind of games, but I have fun making levels, lol), etc. I can't remember all the games I want. Anyway I won't have the cash to buy them all... university is not cheap... :(
PS: I'm not against the x360, I'm just saying that it's better to buy a console you like, it's not like 50$ difference is really important at this price. Still, 100$ diff. would make the x360 sell well, that's why the ps3 will cut it's price if M$ cut (that's why nobody will cut, lol).
Anyway, have fun with your x360. I'll play ps3. And we'll be all happy, lol.
Okay. The xbox 360 have good games for the majority of people, like the ps3 have. The only thing that is important is the hot exclusives. And not a lot of those tiles are hot nor exclusives... lol. Personnally, I'd buy lost odyssey, blue dragon and eternal sonata, that's it. But normal people would buy halo3, dead rising, project gotham, and the soon to pop games like fables 2 and too human.
On the ps3, you have gran turismo for racing exclusive (hard to kill), you have NO JRPG to conter my favorites (sad... but the final fantasy games are ps3 only so...), Haze/killzone/resistance2 to conter halo 3 and few other shooters not know to me (surely there is, I'm not god, I don't know a lot), etc. I don't think MGS4 will sell that well (surely well because of the hype, and the fan, I mean, I finished all the MGS games, but it's like everybody know the serie now, so I suppose it's just the hype machine).
Anyway, I could buy a used x360 for 100$ max, then buy my 3 games, maybe fables 2. But I'm not sure right now. I'll surely lack money so I'll wait for the finals with GTA4, MGS4, GT prologue (a kind of big demo that cost too much but... I like those games :( .), motorstorm2 (liked the 1st for online :D), little big planet (I don't like this kind of games, but I have fun making levels, lol), etc. I can't remember all the games I want. Anyway I won't have the cash to buy them all... university is not cheap... :(
PS: I'm not against the x360, I'm just saying that it's better to buy a console you like, it's not like 50$ difference is really important at this price. Still, 100$ diff. would make the x360 sell well, that's why the ps3 will cut it's price if M$ cut (that's why nobody will cut, lol).
Anyway, have fun with your x360. I'll play ps3. And we'll be all happy, lol.
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Re: Koolaidsred1 - 2008-03-11 |
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» wow
Let me start by saying I'm a owner of all 3 gaming consoles.( PS3- Koolaidsred1 XBOX Live Dipsetmonkey
WII - They have online???lol) For the most part all the games you mention that are not going to pc either haven't proven anything yet or aren't even considered by the "MASSES" as a GREAT game. Gears 2 is definitely going to pc sooner or later regardless if its 5 years after 360 version. MS exclusives to go pc: Bioshock Gears of War Mass Effect Halo 2 (Halo 3 will be released to sell any new MS product most likely a new operating system) Also 80% of the titles you have mentioned that are 360 exclusives were released before a ps3 or wii were in existence. I really loved my 360 when i was playing Gears of war and my console Ringed to Death. After that Gears came to pc. Even recently iw as going to buy a 360 to try Mass Effect and now thats coming to pc. I would say Forza was great but apparently 6 tracks got sooooo repetitive by the time you reached level 25 it was ridiculous.
Great 360 Exclusives: Gears of War Halo 3 Forza 2 Mass Effect Bioshock Puzzle Quest's
Great PS3 Exclusives: Resistance Ratchet and Clank Uncharted Ninja Gaiden Sigma(not a true exclusive but still has new stuff) UT3 for now Warhawk(god i hate this game) GT5prologue(its out in japan) Mlb 08 the show
Wii: idc why haven't i sold it yet? (sorry i just hate this syetm with a passion i also didnt buy it so idc lol)
The moral to that story was for a console thats been out for half the time the excluvies are pretty much equal and on top of that Sony is going to have a WAY bigger year exclsuive wise compared to MS with HUGE third party support. Also remember games like MGS Final Fantasy GT5 Resident Evil(i know its on 360) will sell tons of consoles in japan regardless if they are on both consoles or not. Also the PS3 has been outselling the 360 for the past 2 months in Europe and Asia. The only place the 360 is doing well in is in America.
Also MGS4 sell less then 2million???????? I'm going to pretend you didn't say anything...
MGS1 (PS) 5.59 Million sold.
MGS2(PS2) 5.56 Million sold.
MGS3(PS2) 4.43 Million sold.
Yup your right mgs4 1.2 million ;)
Wow biggest post i have ever made. Please dont confuse me as a fanboy i just use my PC as a 360 i like both consoles i just prefer my PS3 and a pc(and no pcs don't cost X thousand my vid card cost me $250 8800gt)
Let me start by saying I'm a owner of all 3 gaming consoles.( PS3- Koolaidsred1 XBOX Live Dipsetmonkey
WII - They have online???lol) For the most part all the games you mention that are not going to pc either haven't proven anything yet or aren't even considered by the "MASSES" as a GREAT game. Gears 2 is definitely going to pc sooner or later regardless if its 5 years after 360 version. MS exclusives to go pc: Bioshock Gears of War Mass Effect Halo 2 (Halo 3 will be released to sell any new MS product most likely a new operating system) Also 80% of the titles you have mentioned that are 360 exclusives were released before a ps3 or wii were in existence. I really loved my 360 when i was playing Gears of war and my console Ringed to Death. After that Gears came to pc. Even recently iw as going to buy a 360 to try Mass Effect and now thats coming to pc. I would say Forza was great but apparently 6 tracks got sooooo repetitive by the time you reached level 25 it was ridiculous.
Great 360 Exclusives: Gears of War Halo 3 Forza 2 Mass Effect Bioshock Puzzle Quest's
Great PS3 Exclusives: Resistance Ratchet and Clank Uncharted Ninja Gaiden Sigma(not a true exclusive but still has new stuff) UT3 for now Warhawk(god i hate this game) GT5prologue(its out in japan) Mlb 08 the show
Wii: idc why haven't i sold it yet? (sorry i just hate this syetm with a passion i also didnt buy it so idc lol)
The moral to that story was for a console thats been out for half the time the excluvies are pretty much equal and on top of that Sony is going to have a WAY bigger year exclsuive wise compared to MS with HUGE third party support. Also remember games like MGS Final Fantasy GT5 Resident Evil(i know its on 360) will sell tons of consoles in japan regardless if they are on both consoles or not. Also the PS3 has been outselling the 360 for the past 2 months in Europe and Asia. The only place the 360 is doing well in is in America.
Also MGS4 sell less then 2million???????? I'm going to pretend you didn't say anything...
MGS1 (PS) 5.59 Million sold.
MGS2(PS2) 5.56 Million sold.
MGS3(PS2) 4.43 Million sold.
Yup your right mgs4 1.2 million ;)
Wow biggest post i have ever made. Please dont confuse me as a fanboy i just use my PC as a 360 i like both consoles i just prefer my PS3 and a pc(and no pcs don't cost X thousand my vid card cost me $250 8800gt)
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by Kingofdaberbz - 2008-03-11 |
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» .......@platon
Whether a game is hot or nor is user opinion all I'm saying is the 360 has great games for people to chose from.All I was saying people buy consoles depending on price and games that's why the ps2 outsold the xbox 1.The ps2 was cheaper and had more games.This time around it's different.All I'm saying fanboy comments won't convince someone to buy who
wants GTA and sees a $400 dollar ps3 and a $200 xbox 360 he'll go for the one with the best price and comparable games.
XBOX 360 has great upcoming and already released games it's a great buy especially at that reasonable price point.
Ninja Gaiden 2
Dungeon Hero,
White Gold,
Too Human
Left 4 Dead,
Age of Pirates: Captain's Blood,
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction,
War World,
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic: Elements,
Untitled Halo Peter Jackson project,
Tales of Vesparia,
Dungeon Hero,
Postal III
Dog Tag,
Elements of Destruction,
Harker,
Operation Darkness,
Precursors
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Lost Odyssey,
GTR
Spectral Force 3
Universe at War: Earth Assault,
Elveon,
The Secret World
Cry On,
Banjo-Kazooie 3,
Fable 2,
Dead or Alive Code: Cronus,
Castle Wolfenstein,
Kengo: Legend of the 9,
The Shadow of Aten,
Battlestar Galactica,
America's Army: True Soldiers,
All Points Bulletin,
Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures,
World in Conflict,
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2,
Huxley,
Dawn of Fantasy,
Alan Wake,
Demons of Mercy,
Dead Island
Halo Wars,
Magna Carta 2,
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel,
Gears Of War 2
Warhound,
Culdcept Saga,
Age of Pirates: Captain's Blood,
Infinite Undiscovery,
Exclusive GTA 4 Content,
Project Offset (working title)
Project Progressive,
Theseis,
New Dtp RPG 1
New Dtp RPG 2
Edge of Twilight
Crytek new game
Nippon Ichi devleopers game
Untitled Tri-ace game
2ond Lionhead game
2ond Bioware game
Culdcept Saga (Magic meets monopoly)
Already released games:
Halo 3
Saints Row
Crackdown
GEON: emotions,
Switchball,
Earth Defense Force 2017
Commanders: Attack!
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation,
Project Gotham Racing 3
Kameo: Elements of Power
Dance Dance Revolution Universe
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2,
Top Spin 2
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action,
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom,
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja
MotoGP 08,
Bioshock
Beautiful Katamari,
Viva Pinata: Party Animals,
Mass Effect
Project Gotham Racing 4,
Project Sylpheed
Bomberman Live
Carcassonne
Tenchu Z
Fuzion Frenzy 2
MotoGP 06
Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged Volume 1
World in Conflict
Kengo: Legend of the 9
WarTech: Senko No Ronde
Bullet Witch
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Prey 1
Shadowrun
WarTech: Senko no Ronde
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Dead or Alive 4
Vampire Rain
Project Sylpheed: Arc of Deception
Amped 3
Rumble Roses XX
Far Cry Instincts Predator
Gears of War
Dead Rising
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat
Quake 4
Chromehounds
Forza Motorsport 2
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Pinata
Prey
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth II
Perfect Dark Zero
Great games to wait for or buy now.
Whether a game is hot or nor is user opinion all I'm saying is the 360 has great games for people to chose from.All I was saying people buy consoles depending on price and games that's why the ps2 outsold the xbox 1.The ps2 was cheaper and had more games.This time around it's different.All I'm saying fanboy comments won't convince someone to buy who
wants GTA and sees a $400 dollar ps3 and a $200 xbox 360 he'll go for the one with the best price and comparable games.
XBOX 360 has great upcoming and already released games it's a great buy especially at that reasonable price point.
Ninja Gaiden 2
Dungeon Hero,
White Gold,
Too Human
Left 4 Dead,
Age of Pirates: Captain's Blood,
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction,
War World,
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic: Elements,
Untitled Halo Peter Jackson project,
Tales of Vesparia,
Dungeon Hero,
Postal III
Dog Tag,
Elements of Destruction,
Harker,
Operation Darkness,
Precursors
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
Lost Odyssey,
GTR
Spectral Force 3
Universe at War: Earth Assault,
Elveon,
The Secret World
Cry On,
Banjo-Kazooie 3,
Fable 2,
Dead or Alive Code: Cronus,
Castle Wolfenstein,
Kengo: Legend of the 9,
The Shadow of Aten,
Battlestar Galactica,
America's Army: True Soldiers,
All Points Bulletin,
Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures,
World in Conflict,
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2,
Huxley,
Dawn of Fantasy,
Alan Wake,
Demons of Mercy,
Dead Island
Halo Wars,
Magna Carta 2,
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel,
Gears Of War 2
Warhound,
Culdcept Saga,
Age of Pirates: Captain's Blood,
Infinite Undiscovery,
Exclusive GTA 4 Content,
Project Offset (working title)
Project Progressive,
Theseis,
New Dtp RPG 1
New Dtp RPG 2
Edge of Twilight
Crytek new game
Nippon Ichi devleopers game
Untitled Tri-ace game
2ond Lionhead game
2ond Bioware game
Culdcept Saga (Magic meets monopoly)
Already released games:
Halo 3
Saints Row
Crackdown
GEON: emotions,
Switchball,
Earth Defense Force 2017
Commanders: Attack!
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation,
Project Gotham Racing 3
Kameo: Elements of Power
Dance Dance Revolution Universe
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2,
Top Spin 2
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action,
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars
Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom,
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja
MotoGP 08,
Bioshock
Beautiful Katamari,
Viva Pinata: Party Animals,
Mass Effect
Project Gotham Racing 4,
Project Sylpheed
Bomberman Live
Carcassonne
Tenchu Z
Fuzion Frenzy 2
MotoGP 06
Xbox Live Arcade Unplugged Volume 1
World in Conflict
Kengo: Legend of the 9
WarTech: Senko No Ronde
Bullet Witch
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Prey 1
Shadowrun
WarTech: Senko no Ronde
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Dead or Alive 4
Vampire Rain
Project Sylpheed: Arc of Deception
Amped 3
Rumble Roses XX
Far Cry Instincts Predator
Gears of War
Dead Rising
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat
Quake 4
Chromehounds
Forza Motorsport 2
Ninety-Nine Nights
Viva Pinata
Prey
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth II
Perfect Dark Zero
Great games to wait for or buy now.
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by Mister Common Sense - 2008-03-12 |
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» wait for the price cut
The XBOX 360 will get a price cut soon. Since the PS3 just became more valuable with the blu ray victory, the PS3 is a better value at the moment. With a price cut already announced in Europe many people will be holding out to buy one until the price drops in North America.
The XBOX 360 will get a price cut soon. Since the PS3 just became more valuable with the blu ray victory, the PS3 is a better value at the moment. With a price cut already announced in Europe many people will be holding out to buy one until the price drops in North America.
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Re: Koolaidsred1 - 2008-03-12 |
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» we will see.
I'd personally say even without a bluray player its cheaper. My main liking with the PS3 is the internal wifi and free internet. Also Europe even though having a more expensive PS3 has been outselling the 360 by quite alot recently.
I'd personally say even without a bluray player its cheaper. My main liking with the PS3 is the internal wifi and free internet. Also Europe even though having a more expensive PS3 has been outselling the 360 by quite alot recently.
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by Kingofdaberbz - 2008-03-12 |
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» @Koolaidsred1
It's outselling it because the prices are close there's only a $50 difference between the 40gb and a $50 difference between the 120gb and the 80gb.If it is $200 a casual gamer
can easily buy a 360 on a whim unlike when it costed more.You had to save up and plan that purchase.It'll definitely increase in sales because I hope u do know when the price difference was $200 the 360 was outselling it.
It's outselling it because the prices are close there's only a $50 difference between the 40gb and a $50 difference between the 120gb and the 80gb.If it is $200 a casual gamer
can easily buy a 360 on a whim unlike when it costed more.You had to save up and plan that purchase.It'll definitely increase in sales because I hope u do know when the price difference was $200 the 360 was outselling it.
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by The Obsidian - 2008-03-12 |
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» To Mister no common sense!!!!!
Its hilarious because u know u cant deny Super smash bros or Galaxy but you dodge all the awesome exclusive third party games like Zack and wiki, Nights, No more heroes, Resident evil Chronicles, and you cant forget Zelda twilight princess and Mario kart double dash is awesome look up the scores given to it! Enough already.....well no its fun to prove you wrong about the BS you say anyways XD
Its hilarious because u know u cant deny Super smash bros or Galaxy but you dodge all the awesome exclusive third party games like Zack and wiki, Nights, No more heroes, Resident evil Chronicles, and you cant forget Zelda twilight princess and Mario kart double dash is awesome look up the scores given to it! Enough already.....well no its fun to prove you wrong about the BS you say anyways XD
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-03-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Awe :( To bad I came into this one late. Not much to say that hasn't already been said except don't forget Metroid.
The price on the 360 will hardly impact the PS3. After all, no mater how much you lower the price it's still a LAST GEN console. No wifi, DVD9, No "real" HD video, No HD Audio at all.....yup, still last gen. That's why countless people call the 360 nothing more then an Xbox v1.5.
Awe :( To bad I came into this one late. Not much to say that hasn't already been said except don't forget Metroid.
The price on the 360 will hardly impact the PS3. After all, no mater how much you lower the price it's still a LAST GEN console. No wifi, DVD9, No "real" HD video, No HD Audio at all.....yup, still last gen. That's why countless people call the 360 nothing more then an Xbox v1.5.
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Re: Mister Common Sense - 2008-03-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
If you consider the XBOX 360 last gen, then the Wii is soooo much more so. No digital surround, no high def, extremely limited media functionality, little memory, slow CPU/GPU, no DVD player, That's why countless people call the Wii nothing more then a Gamecube +.
If you consider the XBOX 360 last gen, then the Wii is soooo much more so. No digital surround, no high def, extremely limited media functionality, little memory, slow CPU/GPU, no DVD player, That's why countless people call the Wii nothing more then a Gamecube +.
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Re: Koolaidsred1 - 2008-03-12 |
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» word
wii isn't next gen its a fad that hopefully dies i hate my wii :'( i cant sell it though because truthfully its not mine but its in front of me everyday. I do want Brawl though but im so scared to get it since the last game i bought for it was Galaxy and god i thought it was terrible.
Overall idc who wins i just think its going to be hard for MS to win when Europe and Japan are dominated more by Sony fans. You cannot win by the US alone.
wii isn't next gen its a fad that hopefully dies i hate my wii :'( i cant sell it though because truthfully its not mine but its in front of me everyday. I do want Brawl though but im so scared to get it since the last game i bought for it was Galaxy and god i thought it was terrible.
Overall idc who wins i just think its going to be hard for MS to win when Europe and Japan are dominated more by Sony fans. You cannot win by the US alone.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-03-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"If you consider the XBOX 360 last gen, then the Wii is soooo much more so."
No one said it wasn't. As you have been told MANY MANY times, Nintendo doesn't not advertise themselves as NextGen.
When is that going to sink into your rock solid head?
"That's why countless people call the Wii nothing more then a Gamecube +."
No Sh1t you moron. The Wii is nothing more then a supped up GC with motion sensing. That's exactly what Nintendo calls it and that's exactly what it is.
What the hell is your point? Nothing you said negates my earlier post.
Try again.
As for Koolaidsred1:
"i hate my wii"
"truthfully its not mine"
"I do want Brawl"
Wow...do you require meds to stabilize? Just playin :)
"If you consider the XBOX 360 last gen, then the Wii is soooo much more so."
No one said it wasn't. As you have been told MANY MANY times, Nintendo doesn't not advertise themselves as NextGen.
When is that going to sink into your rock solid head?
"That's why countless people call the Wii nothing more then a Gamecube +."
No Sh1t you moron. The Wii is nothing more then a supped up GC with motion sensing. That's exactly what Nintendo calls it and that's exactly what it is.
What the hell is your point? Nothing you said negates my earlier post.
Try again.
As for Koolaidsred1:
"i hate my wii"
"truthfully its not mine"
"I do want Brawl"
Wow...do you require meds to stabilize? Just playin :)
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-13 |
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» Sure ISO
"That's why countless people call the 360 nothing more then an Xbox v1.5."
Correct, and those people are usually called fanboys. ;)
Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360 when it comes to the technical quality of it's games, it shows that 'last gen' doesn't mean bad. If it works and does the job, then it's fine.
The features you mention, or lack of them, do not make the 360 last gen, just as the PS3's 'last gen' GPU doesn't make it last gen. Both are next-gen consoles, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks of the technology they have or lack. :)
"That's why countless people call the 360 nothing more then an Xbox v1.5."
Correct, and those people are usually called fanboys. ;)
Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360 when it comes to the technical quality of it's games, it shows that 'last gen' doesn't mean bad. If it works and does the job, then it's fine.
The features you mention, or lack of them, do not make the 360 last gen, just as the PS3's 'last gen' GPU doesn't make it last gen. Both are next-gen consoles, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks of the technology they have or lack. :)
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-13 |
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» Well...
Koolaidsred1 wrote: "wii isn't next gen its a fad that hopefully dies i hate my wii"
I'm not a fan of the Wii (it just doesn't appeal to me at all :|), but I think we're getting past the stage where we can simply dismissed as a fad now.
There's an appeal to the console that the others currently lack, especially to those previously considered to be non-gamers.
It is bringing in new gamers and this is great for all, since some of these new gamers will want to find out more about gaming in general, and perhaps start to show interest in consoles like the 360 and PS3.
I've seen things change thanks to the Wii and DS (more women and more elderly players), where the people who used to dismiss gaming as childish nonsense and view most gamers as geeks, losers, social misfits etc, have now begun to appreciate why we enjoy gaming so much.
A similar thing happened with the original Playstation, where even if you were not a fan of Sony's console, you had to give them credit for giving gaming a more mainstream and cooler image. With the PS, gaming was seen as an activity mostly for teenagers, whereas before the PS when Nintendo dominated, it was seen as an activity for kids.
So I welcome the Wii, but it's not for me. You see? :)
Koolaidsred1 wrote: "wii isn't next gen its a fad that hopefully dies i hate my wii"
I'm not a fan of the Wii (it just doesn't appeal to me at all :|), but I think we're getting past the stage where we can simply dismissed as a fad now.
There's an appeal to the console that the others currently lack, especially to those previously considered to be non-gamers.
It is bringing in new gamers and this is great for all, since some of these new gamers will want to find out more about gaming in general, and perhaps start to show interest in consoles like the 360 and PS3.
I've seen things change thanks to the Wii and DS (more women and more elderly players), where the people who used to dismiss gaming as childish nonsense and view most gamers as geeks, losers, social misfits etc, have now begun to appreciate why we enjoy gaming so much.
A similar thing happened with the original Playstation, where even if you were not a fan of Sony's console, you had to give them credit for giving gaming a more mainstream and cooler image. With the PS, gaming was seen as an activity mostly for teenagers, whereas before the PS when Nintendo dominated, it was seen as an activity for kids.
So I welcome the Wii, but it's not for me. You see? :)
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-03-13 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Correct, and those people are usually called fanboys. ;)"
Usually? Probably. But I have a good friend that works for MS so naturally I have other MS friends and even they agree with the comment. I am not a Sony fanboy by any means and I started saying this long before I saw others doing the same on the iNet.
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360 when it comes to the technical quality of it's games"
That's a lie. The PS3 has done plenty when it comes to exclusive titles. Seems to me you are comparing titles available on both. Plenty of devs have come out and claimed there is NO WAY their PS3 exclusive can be done on the 360.
"it shows that 'last gen' doesn't mean bad."
I've already said that plenty around these parts.
"The features you mention, or lack of them, do not make the 360 last gen"
How do you figure? As generations move forward they evolve. The 360 has NOTHING that has evolved. You can say this all you want but facts are facts. The 360 made NO advancements other then processing power. Well, and an upgraded XBL.
"just as the PS3's 'last gen' GPU doesn't make it last gen"
Alone? Of course not. How can you IGNORE all the features of the PS3 except one then call THAT one feature LastGen then call the whole console LastGen? That's just ridiculous. Having a single LastGen spec doesn't make it LastGen. Having ABSOLUTELY NO NextGen specs makes it LastGen. Why do you think the 360 has had so many changes? So many changes that have PISSED OFF SO MANY 360 owners?
"Both are next-gen consoles, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks of the technology they have or lack. :)"
So regardless of what ANYONE thinks, even those that put a standard on the term NextGen are wrong and you are right......ok.....
If all NextGen meant was to change the name of your console a few years later then yeah, the 360 is NextGen.
"Correct, and those people are usually called fanboys. ;)"
Usually? Probably. But I have a good friend that works for MS so naturally I have other MS friends and even they agree with the comment. I am not a Sony fanboy by any means and I started saying this long before I saw others doing the same on the iNet.
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360 when it comes to the technical quality of it's games"
That's a lie. The PS3 has done plenty when it comes to exclusive titles. Seems to me you are comparing titles available on both. Plenty of devs have come out and claimed there is NO WAY their PS3 exclusive can be done on the 360.
"it shows that 'last gen' doesn't mean bad."
I've already said that plenty around these parts.
"The features you mention, or lack of them, do not make the 360 last gen"
How do you figure? As generations move forward they evolve. The 360 has NOTHING that has evolved. You can say this all you want but facts are facts. The 360 made NO advancements other then processing power. Well, and an upgraded XBL.
"just as the PS3's 'last gen' GPU doesn't make it last gen"
Alone? Of course not. How can you IGNORE all the features of the PS3 except one then call THAT one feature LastGen then call the whole console LastGen? That's just ridiculous. Having a single LastGen spec doesn't make it LastGen. Having ABSOLUTELY NO NextGen specs makes it LastGen. Why do you think the 360 has had so many changes? So many changes that have PISSED OFF SO MANY 360 owners?
"Both are next-gen consoles, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks of the technology they have or lack. :)"
So regardless of what ANYONE thinks, even those that put a standard on the term NextGen are wrong and you are right......ok.....
If all NextGen meant was to change the name of your console a few years later then yeah, the 360 is NextGen.
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-13 |
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» Ok
"Usually? Probably. But I have a good friend that works for MS so naturally I have other MS friends and even they agree with the comment."
And? Ok, I don't mean to sound dismissive but come on. Shall I specify what my friends think too? :)
"That's a lie. The PS3 has done plenty when it comes to exclusive titles."
Of course it has, that's to be expected from the devs working on those games. However it's not a lie, it's evident in the specs and it has been stated by those with knowledge and experience of both consoles (not those biased by working with ONE console).
"Plenty of devs have come out and claimed there is NO WAY their PS3 exclusive can be done on the 360."
Well duh! :) What do you expect them to say. Again I say come on, are you really trying to claim that devs working exclusively on Sony consoles are going to say any different. I can produce comments from those working exclusively on the 360 saying they're doing things not possible on the PS3. Gee, now why would they say that?
The fact is, exclusive devs are the ONLY ones making such claims. Those with no allegiance to just one console and those with experience developing games on both, say the two are very similar in terms of power, fat closer than any two consoles last gen.
"The 360 has NOTHING that has evolved. You can say this all you want but facts are facts. The 360 made NO advancements other then processing power..."
The IBM designed CPU (Xenon) IS next-gen. It has 3 cores (compare to two on the PC upon release), and still has a floating-point capability beyond the best PC CPUs today (where Cell on the PS3 has in theory twice the fp power of Xernon, but half the general processing power).
The GPU is more advance the PS3's RSX, with features which were not in a PC GPU upon launch (unified shaders) and some which have yet to be included (memexport).
Yes in some other areas, the PS3 is more advanced and has more bells and whistles, but at it's core, the 360 is as advanced as the PS3.
"Having ABSOLUTELY NO NextGen specs makes it LastGen."
And as I've stated, it DOES have next-gen specs. If it had none, it would be impossible for the PS3 and 360 to be on par in games, including multi-format games. Afterall, we saw the difference in multi-format games between the XBox and PS2/GC from DAY 1 last gen!
"Why do you think the 360 has had so many changes?..."
Because gone are the days when consoles remain static throughout the gen baring cosmetic changes. From now on, they will evolve and change for different reasons, just as the PS3 has this gen.
So many changes that have PISSED OFF SO MANY 360 owners?"
"So regardless of what ANYONE thinks, even those that put a standard on the term NextGen are wrong and you are right......ok....."
And what standard may that be. I wasn't aware there was an official definition. The console generation is defined by the period where a new group of consoles are fighting for market share, with devs creating games and gamers buying them. It's not defined by the technology. Yes with ever advancing technology brings more advanced consoles to the market, but this is something we associate with next-gen consoles, but it's not a measure of how 'next-gen' a console is.
This generation sees the PS3, 360 and Wii battling for market share. These consoles ARE the CURRENT gen, and therefore they are as 'next-gen' as each other, just not as technically advanced as each other.
"Usually? Probably. But I have a good friend that works for MS so naturally I have other MS friends and even they agree with the comment."
And? Ok, I don't mean to sound dismissive but come on. Shall I specify what my friends think too? :)
"That's a lie. The PS3 has done plenty when it comes to exclusive titles."
Of course it has, that's to be expected from the devs working on those games. However it's not a lie, it's evident in the specs and it has been stated by those with knowledge and experience of both consoles (not those biased by working with ONE console).
"Plenty of devs have come out and claimed there is NO WAY their PS3 exclusive can be done on the 360."
Well duh! :) What do you expect them to say. Again I say come on, are you really trying to claim that devs working exclusively on Sony consoles are going to say any different. I can produce comments from those working exclusively on the 360 saying they're doing things not possible on the PS3. Gee, now why would they say that?
The fact is, exclusive devs are the ONLY ones making such claims. Those with no allegiance to just one console and those with experience developing games on both, say the two are very similar in terms of power, fat closer than any two consoles last gen.
"The 360 has NOTHING that has evolved. You can say this all you want but facts are facts. The 360 made NO advancements other then processing power..."
The IBM designed CPU (Xenon) IS next-gen. It has 3 cores (compare to two on the PC upon release), and still has a floating-point capability beyond the best PC CPUs today (where Cell on the PS3 has in theory twice the fp power of Xernon, but half the general processing power).
The GPU is more advance the PS3's RSX, with features which were not in a PC GPU upon launch (unified shaders) and some which have yet to be included (memexport).
Yes in some other areas, the PS3 is more advanced and has more bells and whistles, but at it's core, the 360 is as advanced as the PS3.
"Having ABSOLUTELY NO NextGen specs makes it LastGen."
And as I've stated, it DOES have next-gen specs. If it had none, it would be impossible for the PS3 and 360 to be on par in games, including multi-format games. Afterall, we saw the difference in multi-format games between the XBox and PS2/GC from DAY 1 last gen!
"Why do you think the 360 has had so many changes?..."
Because gone are the days when consoles remain static throughout the gen baring cosmetic changes. From now on, they will evolve and change for different reasons, just as the PS3 has this gen.
So many changes that have PISSED OFF SO MANY 360 owners?"
"So regardless of what ANYONE thinks, even those that put a standard on the term NextGen are wrong and you are right......ok....."
And what standard may that be. I wasn't aware there was an official definition. The console generation is defined by the period where a new group of consoles are fighting for market share, with devs creating games and gamers buying them. It's not defined by the technology. Yes with ever advancing technology brings more advanced consoles to the market, but this is something we associate with next-gen consoles, but it's not a measure of how 'next-gen' a console is.
This generation sees the PS3, 360 and Wii battling for market share. These consoles ARE the CURRENT gen, and therefore they are as 'next-gen' as each other, just not as technically advanced as each other.
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-13 |
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» BTW, on my way home from work now...
...so I'll continue this later (if you respond that is).
You're a good debater ISO. I look forward to your response. :)
...so I'll continue this later (if you respond that is).
You're a good debater ISO. I look forward to your response. :)
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-03-13 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"And? Ok, I don't mean to sound dismissive but come on. Shall I specify what my friends think too? :)"
That wasn't the point. The point was that obviously (at least to me) people other then fanboys agree.
"That's a lie. The PS3 has done plenty when it comes to exclusive titles."
"Of course it has, that's to be expected from the devs working on those games."
So which is it then. Now you say of course it has? Has the PS3 shown itself to be better or not? Exclusive PS3 titles have proven the PS3 to overpower the 360. Don't say it hasn't then say "of course it has".
"However it's not a lie, it's evident in the specs"
No it's not. Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3.
"and it has been stated by those with knowledge and experience of both consoles (not those biased by working with ONE console)."
So by someone making an exclusive PS3 title you chock them up to only know about the PS3? Not sure what connection you are trying to make. I don't care WHO it is you are referring to, if anyone is to be believed I would believe the AUTHOR of the exclusive PS3 title that CAN NOT be duplicated on the 360.
"Well duh! :) What do you expect them to say."
I expect them to claim the TRUTH which they have. These are also devs for other systems, what are you trying to claim?
"Again I say come on, are you really trying to claim that devs working exclusively on Sony consoles are going to say any different."
No dude, you are NOT following along. Just because someone made a PS3 exclusive title doesn't mean they are Sony exclusive.
"I can produce comments from those working exclusively on the 360 saying they're doing things not possible on the PS3. Gee, now why would they say that?"
Beats me, let's see them. I want to see what the 360 can do, that the PS3 can't. Did they make some round about ignorant claim about the slow BR drive? Are they able to load levels faster? That doesn't mean the game can't be done on the PS3.
"those with experience developing games on both, say the two are very similar in terms of power, fat closer than any two consoles last gen."
Oh really? Then explain to us all how the 360 processes 7.1 surround? Or uncompressed audio? Or 1080p without scaling? See your comment right here is what's called a blind argument. You drop EVERYTHING ELSE just to concentrate on one specific. First off, there is no way in hell the 360 can compete in terms of CPU power. In terms of GPU power, it's a toss up. I'm sick of reading about it. So just because the two are stalemate on GPU power you drop the case and claim no winner? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. Once again we're brought back to the big picture of how the 360 is NOT a NextGen console. Just because you beef it up a LITTLE and slap a new name on it that does NOT qualify your entry into the NextGen arena. Otherwise EVERY SINGLE NEW CONSOLE ever put out on the shelf is NextGen, the term alone would have absolutely NO MEANING what-so-ever other then a different way of saying NEW.
"The 360 has NOTHING that has evolved. You can say this all you want but facts are facts. The 360 made NO advancements other then processing power..."
"The IBM designed CPU (Xenon) IS next-gen. It has 3 cores (compare to two on the PC upon release), and still has a floating-point capability beyond the best PC CPUs today (where Cell on the PS3 has in theory twice the fp power of Xernon, but half the general processing power)."
Two core to three core? And? You call that NextGen? It's not even 2 to 4! Again, that's a 1.5 step progress. Xbox v1.5. Adding a single core is nothing more then beefing it up a LITTLE.
"The GPU is more advance the PS3's RSX, with features which were not in a PC GPU upon launch (unified shaders) and some which have yet to be included (memexport)."
As I mentioned, the GPU argument goes both ways all the time. Shaders alone is not enough to judge performance. But let'
"And? Ok, I don't mean to sound dismissive but come on. Shall I specify what my friends think too? :)"
That wasn't the point. The point was that obviously (at least to me) people other then fanboys agree.
"That's a lie. The PS3 has done plenty when it comes to exclusive titles."
"Of course it has, that's to be expected from the devs working on those games."
So which is it then. Now you say of course it has? Has the PS3 shown itself to be better or not? Exclusive PS3 titles have proven the PS3 to overpower the 360. Don't say it hasn't then say "of course it has".
"However it's not a lie, it's evident in the specs"
No it's not. Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3.
"and it has been stated by those with knowledge and experience of both consoles (not those biased by working with ONE console)."
So by someone making an exclusive PS3 title you chock them up to only know about the PS3? Not sure what connection you are trying to make. I don't care WHO it is you are referring to, if anyone is to be believed I would believe the AUTHOR of the exclusive PS3 title that CAN NOT be duplicated on the 360.
"Well duh! :) What do you expect them to say."
I expect them to claim the TRUTH which they have. These are also devs for other systems, what are you trying to claim?
"Again I say come on, are you really trying to claim that devs working exclusively on Sony consoles are going to say any different."
No dude, you are NOT following along. Just because someone made a PS3 exclusive title doesn't mean they are Sony exclusive.
"I can produce comments from those working exclusively on the 360 saying they're doing things not possible on the PS3. Gee, now why would they say that?"
Beats me, let's see them. I want to see what the 360 can do, that the PS3 can't. Did they make some round about ignorant claim about the slow BR drive? Are they able to load levels faster? That doesn't mean the game can't be done on the PS3.
"those with experience developing games on both, say the two are very similar in terms of power, fat closer than any two consoles last gen."
Oh really? Then explain to us all how the 360 processes 7.1 surround? Or uncompressed audio? Or 1080p without scaling? See your comment right here is what's called a blind argument. You drop EVERYTHING ELSE just to concentrate on one specific. First off, there is no way in hell the 360 can compete in terms of CPU power. In terms of GPU power, it's a toss up. I'm sick of reading about it. So just because the two are stalemate on GPU power you drop the case and claim no winner? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. Once again we're brought back to the big picture of how the 360 is NOT a NextGen console. Just because you beef it up a LITTLE and slap a new name on it that does NOT qualify your entry into the NextGen arena. Otherwise EVERY SINGLE NEW CONSOLE ever put out on the shelf is NextGen, the term alone would have absolutely NO MEANING what-so-ever other then a different way of saying NEW.
"The 360 has NOTHING that has evolved. You can say this all you want but facts are facts. The 360 made NO advancements other then processing power..."
"The IBM designed CPU (Xenon) IS next-gen. It has 3 cores (compare to two on the PC upon release), and still has a floating-point capability beyond the best PC CPUs today (where Cell on the PS3 has in theory twice the fp power of Xernon, but half the general processing power)."
Two core to three core? And? You call that NextGen? It's not even 2 to 4! Again, that's a 1.5 step progress. Xbox v1.5. Adding a single core is nothing more then beefing it up a LITTLE.
"The GPU is more advance the PS3's RSX, with features which were not in a PC GPU upon launch (unified shaders) and some which have yet to be included (memexport)."
As I mentioned, the GPU argument goes both ways all the time. Shaders alone is not enough to judge performance. But let'
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-13 |
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» Part 1
"That wasn't the point. The point was that obviously (at least to me) people other then fanboys agree."
And the point I'm making is that what these people and yourself think is irrelevant. ALL devs working on the 360 consider it to be next-gen. ALL multi-format gaming magazines and websites consider the 360 to be next-gen. Almost all gamers who own a 360 consider it to be next-gen. So whilst a tiny insignificant few who don't consider the 360 to be next-gen gen are entitled to their opinions, their opinions holds no weight on the matter.
"So which is it then. Now you say of course it has? Has the PS3 shown itself to be better or not?"
I give credit where it's due ISO. I said the PS3 has really shown it's strength through the talents of the exclusive devs. It's not about being better or worse than the 360, but about acknowledging those able to demonstrate the excellent capabilies of the console.
"Exclusive PS3 titles have proven the PS3 to overpower the 360."
Except they haven't imo, that's just your opinion, not a fact. And for any exclusive on either console, I would expect similar quality from that dev if they were working on the other console instead!
"No it's not. Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3."
*Sigh* What gives you the idea that XDR is a point worth raising? If you think it significantly outperforms the GDDR3 ram in the PS3 and 360 (they're the same spec btw), then you simply don't under the technology. Memory is not just about the clock speed, it's about how much data is processed PER clock. XDR has a higher clock speed than GDDR3, BUT it processes less data per clock than GDDR3.
Thats 3.2 Ghz * 64 bits for XDR, and 0.7 Ghz * 128 bits * 2 for GDDR3. This gives a performance figure (bandwidth) of 25.6 GB/s for XDR compared to 22.4 GB/s for GDDR3.
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_3.htm
Note: "Main RAM: 25.6GB/s
VRAM: 22.4GB/s"
So if you think there's more to XDR compared to GDDR3, then do specify here.
And I could go on about the pros and cons of Cell vs Xenon (as specified in my previous post), and that of RSX and Xenos, and Blu-ray and DVD9 etc.
"So by someone making an exclusive PS3 title you chock them up to only know about the PS3?"
1) They have EXPERIENCE of the PS3, not the 360 (and vice-versa for 360 exclusive devs). So they are in no position to talk about the capabilities of the opposition.
2) They are going to be biased towards the console they're developing on (please don't pretend this will not happen).
3) They're going to make sure they please their 'masters' when talking about the console, even to the point of taking shots at the opposition. Again, please don't pretend this will not and does not happen.
"I would believe the AUTHOR of the exclusive PS3 title that CAN NOT be duplicated on the 360."
Good for you, so by that same logic, other gamers should believe the authors of a 360 exclusive title when they say it's doing things impossible to achieve on the PS3.
I prefer to believe the authors of those with DIRECT EXPERIENCE of working on both consoles. But hey, what do they know. ;)
"I expect them to claim the TRUTH which they have. These are also devs for other systems, what are you trying to claim?"
The devs of exclusive titles for the PS3 who claim the PS3 is far more capable than the 360, are NOT the same devs who are working on 360 titles. If you think they are, then name the dev teams who are creating seperate PS3 and 360 titles that also say the PS3 is far more powerful.
The teams saying the PS3 is far superior to the 360 are not working on 360 titles.
"That wasn't the point. The point was that obviously (at least to me) people other then fanboys agree."
And the point I'm making is that what these people and yourself think is irrelevant. ALL devs working on the 360 consider it to be next-gen. ALL multi-format gaming magazines and websites consider the 360 to be next-gen. Almost all gamers who own a 360 consider it to be next-gen. So whilst a tiny insignificant few who don't consider the 360 to be next-gen gen are entitled to their opinions, their opinions holds no weight on the matter.
"So which is it then. Now you say of course it has? Has the PS3 shown itself to be better or not?"
I give credit where it's due ISO. I said the PS3 has really shown it's strength through the talents of the exclusive devs. It's not about being better or worse than the 360, but about acknowledging those able to demonstrate the excellent capabilies of the console.
"Exclusive PS3 titles have proven the PS3 to overpower the 360."
Except they haven't imo, that's just your opinion, not a fact. And for any exclusive on either console, I would expect similar quality from that dev if they were working on the other console instead!
"No it's not. Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3."
*Sigh* What gives you the idea that XDR is a point worth raising? If you think it significantly outperforms the GDDR3 ram in the PS3 and 360 (they're the same spec btw), then you simply don't under the technology. Memory is not just about the clock speed, it's about how much data is processed PER clock. XDR has a higher clock speed than GDDR3, BUT it processes less data per clock than GDDR3.
Thats 3.2 Ghz * 64 bits for XDR, and 0.7 Ghz * 128 bits * 2 for GDDR3. This gives a performance figure (bandwidth) of 25.6 GB/s for XDR compared to 22.4 GB/s for GDDR3.
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_3.htm
Note: "Main RAM: 25.6GB/s
VRAM: 22.4GB/s"
So if you think there's more to XDR compared to GDDR3, then do specify here.
And I could go on about the pros and cons of Cell vs Xenon (as specified in my previous post), and that of RSX and Xenos, and Blu-ray and DVD9 etc.
"So by someone making an exclusive PS3 title you chock them up to only know about the PS3?"
1) They have EXPERIENCE of the PS3, not the 360 (and vice-versa for 360 exclusive devs). So they are in no position to talk about the capabilities of the opposition.
2) They are going to be biased towards the console they're developing on (please don't pretend this will not happen).
3) They're going to make sure they please their 'masters' when talking about the console, even to the point of taking shots at the opposition. Again, please don't pretend this will not and does not happen.
"I would believe the AUTHOR of the exclusive PS3 title that CAN NOT be duplicated on the 360."
Good for you, so by that same logic, other gamers should believe the authors of a 360 exclusive title when they say it's doing things impossible to achieve on the PS3.
I prefer to believe the authors of those with DIRECT EXPERIENCE of working on both consoles. But hey, what do they know. ;)
"I expect them to claim the TRUTH which they have. These are also devs for other systems, what are you trying to claim?"
The devs of exclusive titles for the PS3 who claim the PS3 is far more capable than the 360, are NOT the same devs who are working on 360 titles. If you think they are, then name the dev teams who are creating seperate PS3 and 360 titles that also say the PS3 is far more powerful.
The teams saying the PS3 is far superior to the 360 are not working on 360 titles.
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Stupid post limit!!!!!! I'm not typing that all over again.
Bottom line, all you can come up with is a third core for the 360. Big whoop! There are MUCH MORE technological advances in the PS3 then the 360. So my comment still stands, the 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5. In order to be NextGen it must be enough of an advance to be considered v2.0. The NEXT step for the NEXT generation. A rehashed console is not NextGen.
I also summed up the whole issue with you trying to discredit PS3 exclusive titles because you seem to think the devs ONLY dev on the PS3. That's FALSE. I figured you would dare me to cough one up so I gave Konami. I believe they've dev'ed on just about everything?
Stupid post limit!!!!!! I'm not typing that all over again.
Bottom line, all you can come up with is a third core for the 360. Big whoop! There are MUCH MORE technological advances in the PS3 then the 360. So my comment still stands, the 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5. In order to be NextGen it must be enough of an advance to be considered v2.0. The NEXT step for the NEXT generation. A rehashed console is not NextGen.
I also summed up the whole issue with you trying to discredit PS3 exclusive titles because you seem to think the devs ONLY dev on the PS3. That's FALSE. I figured you would dare me to cough one up so I gave Konami. I believe they've dev'ed on just about everything?
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-13 |
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» PArt 2 AGAIN...oh wait
"Stupid post limit!!!!!! I'm not typing that all over again."
Just lost most of my Part 2 reply (due to my own error >:-(), and I'm not typing it all out either. But I see you're just responded so I'll reply to this new post instead....
"Bottom line, all you can come up with is a third core for the 360. Big whoop! There are MUCH MORE technological advances in the PS3 then the 360."
To be honest, I can equally take the 'big whoop' dismissive attitude to the points you've raised to :). I know you have your mind made up already, and of course I'm not going to change it, but the real bottom line is, you associate next-gen with technology, whereas I associate next-gen with the period. So we will continue to agree to disagree.
"So my comment still stands, the 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5. In order to be NextGen it must be enough of an advance to be considered v2.0."
And until you can show me the official standard which defines how much a console must advance to be called next-gen, then I don't consider YOUR opinion to be the yardstick for which next-gen-ess is measured. :) You consider the 360 to be XBox 1.5, I consider it to be as next-gen as the PS3. So again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
"I also summed up the whole issue with you trying to discredit PS3 exclusive titles because you seem to think the devs ONLY dev on the PS3."
Not once did I discredit PS3 exclusive titles! In fact, I've praise them and acknowledged the strengths of the PS3 (unlike yourself with the 360). Just because I don't agree with you on the power difference and 'next-gen-ess' between the 360 and PS3, doesn't mean it's an attack on the PS3, the devs or the games. You know, not everything has to be a case of "You're either with me or against me". :)
"I figured you would dare me to cough one up so I gave Konami. I believe they've dev'ed on just about everything?"
Before I lost my second reply (I'm still annoyed about that, ah well), I specified dev TEAMS, since large devs consists of numerous teams working on different projects for one or more consoles.
So do name the team within Konami who consider the PS3 to be far more powerful than the 360 and yet at the same time, are also working on a 360 title.
"Stupid post limit!!!!!! I'm not typing that all over again."
Just lost most of my Part 2 reply (due to my own error >:-(), and I'm not typing it all out either. But I see you're just responded so I'll reply to this new post instead....
"Bottom line, all you can come up with is a third core for the 360. Big whoop! There are MUCH MORE technological advances in the PS3 then the 360."
To be honest, I can equally take the 'big whoop' dismissive attitude to the points you've raised to :). I know you have your mind made up already, and of course I'm not going to change it, but the real bottom line is, you associate next-gen with technology, whereas I associate next-gen with the period. So we will continue to agree to disagree.
"So my comment still stands, the 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5. In order to be NextGen it must be enough of an advance to be considered v2.0."
And until you can show me the official standard which defines how much a console must advance to be called next-gen, then I don't consider YOUR opinion to be the yardstick for which next-gen-ess is measured. :) You consider the 360 to be XBox 1.5, I consider it to be as next-gen as the PS3. So again, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
"I also summed up the whole issue with you trying to discredit PS3 exclusive titles because you seem to think the devs ONLY dev on the PS3."
Not once did I discredit PS3 exclusive titles! In fact, I've praise them and acknowledged the strengths of the PS3 (unlike yourself with the 360). Just because I don't agree with you on the power difference and 'next-gen-ess' between the 360 and PS3, doesn't mean it's an attack on the PS3, the devs or the games. You know, not everything has to be a case of "You're either with me or against me". :)
"I figured you would dare me to cough one up so I gave Konami. I believe they've dev'ed on just about everything?"
Before I lost my second reply (I'm still annoyed about that, ah well), I specified dev TEAMS, since large devs consists of numerous teams working on different projects for one or more consoles.
So do name the team within Konami who consider the PS3 to be far more powerful than the 360 and yet at the same time, are also working on a 360 title.
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Except they haven't imo, that's just your opinion"
That's not opinion, that's FACT. When something is possible on the PS3 yet NOT on the 360 because the 360 can't handle it then the 360 just lost out. You keep loosing sight of that part. The PS3 offers MUCH MORE then the 360. I've already listed them all above and below.
"*Sigh* What gives you the idea that XDR is a point worth raising? If you think it significantly outperforms the GDDR3 ram in the PS3 and 360 (they're the same spec btw), then you simply don't under the technology."
I understand it just fine. You obviously never read up on the architecture behind it or the logic behind it's processing. There's a reason the PS3 doesn't contain as much memory as people would have THOUGHT it should contain. Because it's not needed. Go read up on HOW XDR moves data around.
"They have EXPERIENCE of the PS3, not the 360"
That's were you are dead wrong.
"They are going to be biased towards the console they're developing "
Wrong again. Plus, most comments come from the companies, not the devs. Remember, the companies want as much money as possible.
"other gamers should believe the authors of a 360 exclusive title when they say it's doing things impossible to achieve on the PS3."
Aside from the BR drive being slow, you haven't given any. I'm still dying to see what the 360 can do that the PS3 can't.
"To be honest, I can equally take the 'big whoop' dismissive attitude to the points you've raised to :)"
True, so think OUTSIDE the box. Picture yourself asking 100,000 people which they prefer:
1. A third core.
or
1. Real HD content that isn't upscaled. Yeah yeah, more to come.
2. HD Audio.
3. The ability to play HD discs without an addon of which the addon LACKS HD Audio!!! Now there is NO ADDON. Might change.
4. Games that are able to contain more content then could ever fit on a 360 disc.
5. A future proof HD player. Not all BR players are future proof. The HD-DVD addon sure in hell wasn't.
By all means, add to your side. Anyone know of a poll site we can put this on?
"the official standard which defines"
That standard was created by the community. Can you show me where it states "time period"? So by your theory NextGen doesn't exist at all.
"You consider the 360 to be XBox 1.5, I consider it to be as next-gen as the PS3. So again, we'll just have to agree to disagree."
Ok, so you consider nothing more then the addition of a processor core and an updated XBL to be worthy of $400. Or was it more? I forget. If 360 users are so sure these HD exclusive PS3 titles can be easily brought to the 360 then I demand Halo 3 be brought to the Xbox.
"Not once did I discredit PS3 exclusive titles!"
Correction, you didn't discredit the "titles" you attempted to discredit the "comments" from the devs and game companies making PS3 exclusives.
"I've praise them and acknowledged the strengths ...... (unlike yourself with the 360)."
Show me some! My PC can stomp the 360. Not for the price. But then again all the 360 can do is play games. However my PC can NOT stomp the PS3. Even at the time of the release of the 360, my PC played all the PC versions just fine. They looked a little better to.
"Before I lost my second reply (I'm still annoyed about that, ah well), I specified dev TEAMS, since large devs consists of numerous teams working on different projects for one or more consoles."
What does any of that have to do with what I said?
"So do name the team within Konami who consider the PS3 to be far more powerful than the 360 and yet at the same time, are also working on a 360 title."
No need to. You act as if these TEAMS act on their own accord. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Konami wants to make money, PERIOD. They good and well know what either system can and can not do. If their PS3 exclusives COULD be done on the 360, they would. Any other system for that mater. There is absolutly nothing to be gained by making an exlcusive title unless
"Except they haven't imo, that's just your opinion"
That's not opinion, that's FACT. When something is possible on the PS3 yet NOT on the 360 because the 360 can't handle it then the 360 just lost out. You keep loosing sight of that part. The PS3 offers MUCH MORE then the 360. I've already listed them all above and below.
"*Sigh* What gives you the idea that XDR is a point worth raising? If you think it significantly outperforms the GDDR3 ram in the PS3 and 360 (they're the same spec btw), then you simply don't under the technology."
I understand it just fine. You obviously never read up on the architecture behind it or the logic behind it's processing. There's a reason the PS3 doesn't contain as much memory as people would have THOUGHT it should contain. Because it's not needed. Go read up on HOW XDR moves data around.
"They have EXPERIENCE of the PS3, not the 360"
That's were you are dead wrong.
"They are going to be biased towards the console they're developing "
Wrong again. Plus, most comments come from the companies, not the devs. Remember, the companies want as much money as possible.
"other gamers should believe the authors of a 360 exclusive title when they say it's doing things impossible to achieve on the PS3."
Aside from the BR drive being slow, you haven't given any. I'm still dying to see what the 360 can do that the PS3 can't.
"To be honest, I can equally take the 'big whoop' dismissive attitude to the points you've raised to :)"
True, so think OUTSIDE the box. Picture yourself asking 100,000 people which they prefer:
1. A third core.
or
1. Real HD content that isn't upscaled. Yeah yeah, more to come.
2. HD Audio.
3. The ability to play HD discs without an addon of which the addon LACKS HD Audio!!! Now there is NO ADDON. Might change.
4. Games that are able to contain more content then could ever fit on a 360 disc.
5. A future proof HD player. Not all BR players are future proof. The HD-DVD addon sure in hell wasn't.
By all means, add to your side. Anyone know of a poll site we can put this on?
"the official standard which defines"
That standard was created by the community. Can you show me where it states "time period"? So by your theory NextGen doesn't exist at all.
"You consider the 360 to be XBox 1.5, I consider it to be as next-gen as the PS3. So again, we'll just have to agree to disagree."
Ok, so you consider nothing more then the addition of a processor core and an updated XBL to be worthy of $400. Or was it more? I forget. If 360 users are so sure these HD exclusive PS3 titles can be easily brought to the 360 then I demand Halo 3 be brought to the Xbox.
"Not once did I discredit PS3 exclusive titles!"
Correction, you didn't discredit the "titles" you attempted to discredit the "comments" from the devs and game companies making PS3 exclusives.
"I've praise them and acknowledged the strengths ...... (unlike yourself with the 360)."
Show me some! My PC can stomp the 360. Not for the price. But then again all the 360 can do is play games. However my PC can NOT stomp the PS3. Even at the time of the release of the 360, my PC played all the PC versions just fine. They looked a little better to.
"Before I lost my second reply (I'm still annoyed about that, ah well), I specified dev TEAMS, since large devs consists of numerous teams working on different projects for one or more consoles."
What does any of that have to do with what I said?
"So do name the team within Konami who consider the PS3 to be far more powerful than the 360 and yet at the same time, are also working on a 360 title."
No need to. You act as if these TEAMS act on their own accord. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. Konami wants to make money, PERIOD. They good and well know what either system can and can not do. If their PS3 exclusives COULD be done on the 360, they would. Any other system for that mater. There is absolutly nothing to be gained by making an exlcusive title unless
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-03-13 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
there is a more powerful, more CAPABLE system to code for. Then you stand to lose by bringing the title down in spec for the lesser system.
If it's all about the "game play" then a slightly faster Xbox was not needed.
there is a more powerful, more CAPABLE system to code for. Then you stand to lose by bringing the title down in spec for the lesser system.
If it's all about the "game play" then a slightly faster Xbox was not needed.
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-13 |
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» It's time for bed unfortunately
Yes, some of us do have to get up early for work tomorrow (you're probably in a different time zone to me, perhaps you're even posting your replies from work :)).
So until later...... btw, I haven't read your reply yet because I *know* I'll be tempted to stay up just to reply, but I'm sure it's going to be more of the same, where we'll just have to agree to disagree in thew end...but I'll see when I read it).
In the meantime, it would be REALLY boring here on QJ if we all agreed with each other, so thanks for the discussion, I did enjoy it.
If not continued here, perhaps we'll clash again soon in another topic. :)
Yes, some of us do have to get up early for work tomorrow (you're probably in a different time zone to me, perhaps you're even posting your replies from work :)).
So until later...... btw, I haven't read your reply yet because I *know* I'll be tempted to stay up just to reply, but I'm sure it's going to be more of the same, where we'll just have to agree to disagree in thew end...but I'll see when I read it).
In the meantime, it would be REALLY boring here on QJ if we all agreed with each other, so thanks for the discussion, I did enjoy it.
If not continued here, perhaps we'll clash again soon in another topic. :)
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-03-13 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
I'm not sure how you can call it agreeing to disagree when facts are facts. Specs are specs. To this point you skipped over (every time) DVD9 versus BR (not speed!), 5.1 versus 7.1 Uncompressed audio. The ability to do 1080p without having to scale. Features are features and the facts are the PS3 has way more to offer. Not to mention games are comming out that the 360 simply can not compete with. Unless your next argument is that the 360 hasn't been fully tapped yet and we'll see MGS4 and FF13 level gaming for the 360 soon enough? Never. Even Halo 3 had to be cut back due to the limitations of the 360 and Halo 3 will NEVER complete with those two games alone.
Also, I forgot to continue one of my sentence from above:
As much as you like to claim memory is not all about clock cycles OF WHICH I NEVER SAID IT WAS. Memory is also not all about throughput. Efficiency plays a MAJOR factor of which your math does nothing to compute.
I'm not sure how you can call it agreeing to disagree when facts are facts. Specs are specs. To this point you skipped over (every time) DVD9 versus BR (not speed!), 5.1 versus 7.1 Uncompressed audio. The ability to do 1080p without having to scale. Features are features and the facts are the PS3 has way more to offer. Not to mention games are comming out that the 360 simply can not compete with. Unless your next argument is that the 360 hasn't been fully tapped yet and we'll see MGS4 and FF13 level gaming for the 360 soon enough? Never. Even Halo 3 had to be cut back due to the limitations of the 360 and Halo 3 will NEVER complete with those two games alone.
Also, I forgot to continue one of my sentence from above:
As much as you like to claim memory is not all about clock cycles OF WHICH I NEVER SAID IT WAS. Memory is also not all about throughput. Efficiency plays a MAJOR factor of which your math does nothing to compute.
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» LOL!
Just thought I'd check before switching off.
So a quick note. I will reply properly tomorrow if I have time. I didn't skip over anything, those points raised were in the second half of your post, which was the part 2 reply I lost! If you think there are no NATIVE 1080p 360 games, then I suggest look again (properly this time). And yes the 360 can compete with those games, and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense (again you conveniently ignore the fact that the PS3 and 360 share the same spec GDDR3 memory). Do expalin in detail the efficiency aspects of the PS3's XDR vs GDDR3 memory.
So I'll end for now with "I'm not sure how you can call it agreeing to disagree when facts are facts." Agreeing to disagree means we both have our opinions and are not convinced by the arguements of the other. Facts are not facts *just* because you or I say so.
That's all until tomorrow
Just thought I'd check before switching off.
So a quick note. I will reply properly tomorrow if I have time. I didn't skip over anything, those points raised were in the second half of your post, which was the part 2 reply I lost! If you think there are no NATIVE 1080p 360 games, then I suggest look again (properly this time). And yes the 360 can compete with those games, and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense (again you conveniently ignore the fact that the PS3 and 360 share the same spec GDDR3 memory). Do expalin in detail the efficiency aspects of the PS3's XDR vs GDDR3 memory.
So I'll end for now with "I'm not sure how you can call it agreeing to disagree when facts are facts." Agreeing to disagree means we both have our opinions and are not convinced by the arguements of the other. Facts are not facts *just* because you or I say so.
That's all until tomorrow
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» f'ing hell f'ing hell f'ing hell
lost my reply a-f'ing-gain !!!
lost my reply a-f'ing-gain !!!
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» ^^^ Sorry but I'm really really p***ed off now
(Note to self: From now on, use word processor for ALL long posts and then cut and paste the reply here).
I'm just going to randomly note down a few points I remember from my post to keep it brief. *Sigh*
You mention 1080p a number of times now as if the 360 doesn't have NATIVE 1080p games, but it DOES (such as NBA Street Homecourt and Virtua Tennis 3). The difference is that MS recognised that 720p is the sweetspot for gaming, hence the majority of 360 AND PS3 games are 720p.
So the PS3 has native 1080p games and upscaled 1080p games, native 720p games and upscaled 720p games. The same is true for the 360.
Regarding the CPUs and GPUs, you said "First off, there is no way in hell the 360 can compete in terms of CPU power. In terms of GPU power, it's a toss up."
Xenon has 3 cores for running main code compared to just one in Cell (it's PPE/PPU). So the 360 has MORE power for running game code compared to the PS3. However, Cell has 6 cores for arithmetic compared to just 3 in Xenon, giving it MORE power for arithmetic. So it's not a simple case of one CPU being superior to the other, both are stronger in certain areas. As this gen progresses, float-point power should become more important for games, giving Cell the edge in this respect. However the GPUs can also be used for processing (physics, particle effects etc), where 360's ATI GPU is superior to PS3's RSX in this respect (also read Folding@Home's GPU FAQ regarding ATI and NVidia GPUs).
So it's not a clear cut case for superior power on the CPUs ISO, just as it isn't for the GPUs, and hence the consoles are very close when it comes to overall power (with the PS3 having the edge).
That's it for now (I'm still fuming). You can insist you're right as much as you like, but you've done nothing to convince me of your arguments and I'm sure I've done nothing to convince you either (so we could go on like this for days). Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed? :)
(Note to self: From now on, use word processor for ALL long posts and then cut and paste the reply here).
I'm just going to randomly note down a few points I remember from my post to keep it brief. *Sigh*
You mention 1080p a number of times now as if the 360 doesn't have NATIVE 1080p games, but it DOES (such as NBA Street Homecourt and Virtua Tennis 3). The difference is that MS recognised that 720p is the sweetspot for gaming, hence the majority of 360 AND PS3 games are 720p.
So the PS3 has native 1080p games and upscaled 1080p games, native 720p games and upscaled 720p games. The same is true for the 360.
Regarding the CPUs and GPUs, you said "First off, there is no way in hell the 360 can compete in terms of CPU power. In terms of GPU power, it's a toss up."
Xenon has 3 cores for running main code compared to just one in Cell (it's PPE/PPU). So the 360 has MORE power for running game code compared to the PS3. However, Cell has 6 cores for arithmetic compared to just 3 in Xenon, giving it MORE power for arithmetic. So it's not a simple case of one CPU being superior to the other, both are stronger in certain areas. As this gen progresses, float-point power should become more important for games, giving Cell the edge in this respect. However the GPUs can also be used for processing (physics, particle effects etc), where 360's ATI GPU is superior to PS3's RSX in this respect (also read Folding@Home's GPU FAQ regarding ATI and NVidia GPUs).
So it's not a clear cut case for superior power on the CPUs ISO, just as it isn't for the GPUs, and hence the consoles are very close when it comes to overall power (with the PS3 having the edge).
That's it for now (I'm still fuming). You can insist you're right as much as you like, but you've done nothing to convince me of your arguments and I'm sure I've done nothing to convince you either (so we could go on like this for days). Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed? :)
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"And yes the 360 can compete with those games"
Then why aren't there any? How much longer has the 360 been out? You saying yes doesn't mean squat when you have nothing to back it up with.
"and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense"
That's your rebuttal? It's nonsense? That's a failed rebuttal.
"again you conveniently ignore the fact that the PS3 and 360 share the same spec GDDR3 memory"
1. I didn't ignore anything.
2. Nothing was convenient about it.
3. I NEVER discussed GDDR3. That's YOUR point, not mine.
"Do expalin in detail the efficiency aspects of the PS3's XDR vs GDDR3 memory."
Screw that! You want me to school you? Do your own research. I could probably fill up 3 posts on XDR. This is hardly the time or place. I'll get you started, how about that?
http://www.rambus.com
"Agreeing to disagree means we both have our opinions "
Wow bud, you just keep flipping dont ya. Like I said, I don't know how you can call it agreeing to disagree when FACT ARE FACTS. There is NO OPINION. The only opinion shared by me is that the 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5.
"Facts are not facts *just* because you or I say so."
While that statement in itself is true, it DOES NOT apply here because FACTS have been given. The specs of the PS3 are FACT not opinion.
"You can insist you're right as much as you like"
I don't have to insist. FACTS are right. You've done nothing to show us that the 360 can offer more then PS3. The PS3 is a true HD gamming/entertainment console from video to audio to space to included functions.
"Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed?"
Screw that. I still want facts of how the 360 can offer more then the PS3. You say the 360 WILL have FF13 and MGS4 level games. How? When? Why not yet? What are they waiting for? You skipped over the FACT that Halo 3 was degraded because the 360 couldn't handle it. If the 360 can handle 1080p without scaling then why wasn't Halo 3 in 1080p? Hell it wasn't even in 720p!!! IF and this is a big IF the 360 can handle 1080p it's painfully obvious that it can't handle 1080p for a full feature length game. Again, the 360 loses out. It simply can NOT provide a full scale HD experience.
Halo 3 was MAJOR for MS. If the 360 was capable of handling a FF13 or MGS4 level game then Halo 3 would have been it. It wasn't. It never will be.
I've given FACTS of how the PS3 can offer more then the 360. I'm still waiting for the reverse.
For anyone reading these, keep in mind I used to own a 360, I love my PC more then my Wii and I love my Wii more then my PS3. Here's an opinion for you: Every game that I've ever wanted to play for the 360 has come out for the PC and they ALL looked and played better on my PC. Which is why my 360 went on the chopping block.
Let's go back to where this all started:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360"
I've already proven your comment completely false by FEATURES (not power) alone which are FACTS. Just because you don't CARE about those features doesn't mean they don't exist for other people. Here's just ONE of them once again for you: Do you have a sound system that can reproduce 7.1 uncompressed audio without f'ing it all up? I do. So do countless others. Many more to follow. The audio in Uncharted and Heavenly Sword was AWESOME. Nothing even CLOSE can come off the 360.
Even if the 360 COULD reproduce the audio (which it cant which is what made it a FAILED HD player) it wouldn't have the room!!!!
"And yes the 360 can compete with those games"
Then why aren't there any? How much longer has the 360 been out? You saying yes doesn't mean squat when you have nothing to back it up with.
"and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense"
That's your rebuttal? It's nonsense? That's a failed rebuttal.
"again you conveniently ignore the fact that the PS3 and 360 share the same spec GDDR3 memory"
1. I didn't ignore anything.
2. Nothing was convenient about it.
3. I NEVER discussed GDDR3. That's YOUR point, not mine.
"Do expalin in detail the efficiency aspects of the PS3's XDR vs GDDR3 memory."
Screw that! You want me to school you? Do your own research. I could probably fill up 3 posts on XDR. This is hardly the time or place. I'll get you started, how about that?
http://www.rambus.com
"Agreeing to disagree means we both have our opinions "
Wow bud, you just keep flipping dont ya. Like I said, I don't know how you can call it agreeing to disagree when FACT ARE FACTS. There is NO OPINION. The only opinion shared by me is that the 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5.
"Facts are not facts *just* because you or I say so."
While that statement in itself is true, it DOES NOT apply here because FACTS have been given. The specs of the PS3 are FACT not opinion.
"You can insist you're right as much as you like"
I don't have to insist. FACTS are right. You've done nothing to show us that the 360 can offer more then PS3. The PS3 is a true HD gamming/entertainment console from video to audio to space to included functions.
"Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed?"
Screw that. I still want facts of how the 360 can offer more then the PS3. You say the 360 WILL have FF13 and MGS4 level games. How? When? Why not yet? What are they waiting for? You skipped over the FACT that Halo 3 was degraded because the 360 couldn't handle it. If the 360 can handle 1080p without scaling then why wasn't Halo 3 in 1080p? Hell it wasn't even in 720p!!! IF and this is a big IF the 360 can handle 1080p it's painfully obvious that it can't handle 1080p for a full feature length game. Again, the 360 loses out. It simply can NOT provide a full scale HD experience.
Halo 3 was MAJOR for MS. If the 360 was capable of handling a FF13 or MGS4 level game then Halo 3 would have been it. It wasn't. It never will be.
I've given FACTS of how the PS3 can offer more then the 360. I'm still waiting for the reverse.
For anyone reading these, keep in mind I used to own a 360, I love my PC more then my Wii and I love my Wii more then my PS3. Here's an opinion for you: Every game that I've ever wanted to play for the 360 has come out for the PC and they ALL looked and played better on my PC. Which is why my 360 went on the chopping block.
Let's go back to where this all started:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360"
I've already proven your comment completely false by FEATURES (not power) alone which are FACTS. Just because you don't CARE about those features doesn't mean they don't exist for other people. Here's just ONE of them once again for you: Do you have a sound system that can reproduce 7.1 uncompressed audio without f'ing it all up? I do. So do countless others. Many more to follow. The audio in Uncharted and Heavenly Sword was AWESOME. Nothing even CLOSE can come off the 360.
Even if the 360 COULD reproduce the audio (which it cant which is what made it a FAILED HD player) it wouldn't have the room!!!!
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» Last reply for now.
%u201CThen why aren't there any? How much longer has the 360 been out? You saying yes doesn't mean squat when you have nothing to back it up with.%u201D
Because it%u2019s a matter of opinion, and anything I say you%u2019re not going to agree with anyway. Besides, I%u2019m not into the pantomime exchange of %u201COh yes it is, oh no it isn%u2019t, oh YES IT IS, OH NO IT ISN%u2019T%u201D... and so on.
%u201C"and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense"
That's your rebuttal? It's nonsense? That's a failed rebuttal.%u201D
Nope. You made claims about XDR but have failed to provide anything to back it up (and no, pointing to a website is not enough). Until you specify how XDR is so much more superior to GDDR3 beyond the bandwidth I%u2019ve shown, then you have no argument, just hot air. XDR is great for the purpose, but it's nothing special to seperate the PS3 from the 360.
%u201C3. I NEVER discussed GDDR3. That's YOUR point, not mine.%u201D
You said and I quote %u201CHave you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3.%u201D
I asked you to explain what's so special about XDR in the PS3, especially compared to it's own GDDR3 memory, and you still can%u2019t answer the question, but instead you cop out with answers like %u201CScrew that! You want me to school you? Do your own research."
%u201CYou've done nothing to show us that the 360 can offer more then PS3.%u201D
And my argument was NEVER about the 360 doing MORE than the PS3. It is you who keep attempting to twist it around that way. I%u2019ve only ever said they are on par, such that your Ken Kutaragi inspired %u201CXbox 1.5%u201D comment was unjustified.
%u201C"Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed?"
Screw that. I still want facts of how the 360 can offer more then the PS3.%u201D
Again, stop twisting the argument. I said the 360 is on par in terms of power, so it%u2019s not about the 360 offering MORE.
%u201CYou say the 360 WILL have FF13 and MGS4 level games. How? When? Why not yet? What are they waiting for?%u201D
It depends on what you consider as the factors that define %u2018FF13 and MGS4 level games%u2019 and whether they have been or will be seen on the 360. So you can ask all the questions you like, we'll just have to wait and see.
%u201CYou skipped over the FACT that Halo 3 was degraded because the 360 couldn't handle it.%u201D
Because it was a pointless and meaningless remark. What is it that YOU think the 360 couldn%u2019t handle? If you talking about technical issues rather than space, then obviously the PS3 wouldn%u2019t be able to handle it either.
%u201CIf the 360 can handle 1080p without scaling then why wasn't Halo 3 in 1080p?%u201D
And why aren%u2019t the vast majority of PS3 games in 1080p? That%u2019s a nonsense statement ISO, because MOST 360 and PS3 games are 720p, with some less than that and upscaled to 720p on BOTH consoles.
%u201CIF and this is a big IF the 360 can handle 1080p%u201D
There is no IF, I listed a few games which are 1080p on the 360. Why are you in denial? You said the 360 can only do 1080p upscaled, I showed this to be false, since there are native 1080p games on the console.
%u201CI've given FACTS of how the PS3 can offer more then the 360. I'm still waiting for the reverse.%u201D
See above. Or are you still going to keep twisting it around by asking me to show you something that I never claimed ISO?
%u201CFor anyone reading these, keep in mind I used to own a 360%u2026%u201D
Well good for you. I%u2019ve never owned a 360 or a PS3 (but I do hope to buy BOTH this year IF I have time again for gaming. Currently spend more time working and buying/managing property (to let), so it's likely to be later rather than sooner).
"Let's go back to where this all started:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360""
*Sigh* Again distorting my words I see ISO. Let%u2019s see the FULL sente
%u201CThen why aren't there any? How much longer has the 360 been out? You saying yes doesn't mean squat when you have nothing to back it up with.%u201D
Because it%u2019s a matter of opinion, and anything I say you%u2019re not going to agree with anyway. Besides, I%u2019m not into the pantomime exchange of %u201COh yes it is, oh no it isn%u2019t, oh YES IT IS, OH NO IT ISN%u2019T%u201D... and so on.
%u201C"and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense"
That's your rebuttal? It's nonsense? That's a failed rebuttal.%u201D
Nope. You made claims about XDR but have failed to provide anything to back it up (and no, pointing to a website is not enough). Until you specify how XDR is so much more superior to GDDR3 beyond the bandwidth I%u2019ve shown, then you have no argument, just hot air. XDR is great for the purpose, but it's nothing special to seperate the PS3 from the 360.
%u201C3. I NEVER discussed GDDR3. That's YOUR point, not mine.%u201D
You said and I quote %u201CHave you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3.%u201D
I asked you to explain what's so special about XDR in the PS3, especially compared to it's own GDDR3 memory, and you still can%u2019t answer the question, but instead you cop out with answers like %u201CScrew that! You want me to school you? Do your own research."
%u201CYou've done nothing to show us that the 360 can offer more then PS3.%u201D
And my argument was NEVER about the 360 doing MORE than the PS3. It is you who keep attempting to twist it around that way. I%u2019ve only ever said they are on par, such that your Ken Kutaragi inspired %u201CXbox 1.5%u201D comment was unjustified.
%u201C"Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed?"
Screw that. I still want facts of how the 360 can offer more then the PS3.%u201D
Again, stop twisting the argument. I said the 360 is on par in terms of power, so it%u2019s not about the 360 offering MORE.
%u201CYou say the 360 WILL have FF13 and MGS4 level games. How? When? Why not yet? What are they waiting for?%u201D
It depends on what you consider as the factors that define %u2018FF13 and MGS4 level games%u2019 and whether they have been or will be seen on the 360. So you can ask all the questions you like, we'll just have to wait and see.
%u201CYou skipped over the FACT that Halo 3 was degraded because the 360 couldn't handle it.%u201D
Because it was a pointless and meaningless remark. What is it that YOU think the 360 couldn%u2019t handle? If you talking about technical issues rather than space, then obviously the PS3 wouldn%u2019t be able to handle it either.
%u201CIf the 360 can handle 1080p without scaling then why wasn't Halo 3 in 1080p?%u201D
And why aren%u2019t the vast majority of PS3 games in 1080p? That%u2019s a nonsense statement ISO, because MOST 360 and PS3 games are 720p, with some less than that and upscaled to 720p on BOTH consoles.
%u201CIF and this is a big IF the 360 can handle 1080p%u201D
There is no IF, I listed a few games which are 1080p on the 360. Why are you in denial? You said the 360 can only do 1080p upscaled, I showed this to be false, since there are native 1080p games on the console.
%u201CI've given FACTS of how the PS3 can offer more then the 360. I'm still waiting for the reverse.%u201D
See above. Or are you still going to keep twisting it around by asking me to show you something that I never claimed ISO?
%u201CFor anyone reading these, keep in mind I used to own a 360%u2026%u201D
Well good for you. I%u2019ve never owned a 360 or a PS3 (but I do hope to buy BOTH this year IF I have time again for gaming. Currently spend more time working and buying/managing property (to let), so it's likely to be later rather than sooner).
"Let's go back to where this all started:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360""
*Sigh* Again distorting my words I see ISO. Let%u2019s see the FULL sente
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» ^Sorry about that. Here it is again - Part 1
"Then why aren't there any? How much longer has the 360 been out? You saying yes doesn't mean squat when you have nothing to back it up with."
Because it's a matter of opinion, and anything I say you're not going to agree with anyway. Besides, I'm not into the pantomime exchange of "Oh yes it is, oh no it isn't, oh YES IT IS, OH NO IT ISN'T"... and so on.
""and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense"
That's your rebuttal? It's nonsense? That's a failed rebuttal."
Nope. You made claims about XDR but have failed to provide anything to back it up (and no, pointing to a website is not enough). Until you specify how XDR is so much more superior to GDDR3 beyond the bandwidth I've shown, then you have no argument, just hot air. XDR is great for the purpose, but it's nothing special to seperate the PS3 from the 360.
"3. I NEVER discussed GDDR3. That's YOUR point, not mine."
You said and I quote "Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3."
I asked you to explain what's so special about XDR in the PS3, especially compared to it's own GDDR3 memory, and you still can't answer the question, but instead you cop out with answers like "Screw that! You want me to school you? Do your own research."
"You've done nothing to show us that the 360 can offer more then PS3."
And my argument was NEVER about the 360 doing MORE than the PS3. It is you who keep attempting to twist it around that way. I've only ever said they are on par, such that your Ken Kutaragi inspired "Xbox 1.5" comment was unjustified.
""Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed?"
Screw that. I still want facts of how the 360 can offer more then the PS3."
Again, stop twisting the argument. I said the 360 is on par in terms of power, so it's not about the 360 offering MORE.
"You say the 360 WILL have FF13 and MGS4 level games. How? When? Why not yet? What are they waiting for?"
It depends on what you consider as the factors that define 'FF13 and MGS4 level games' and whether they have been or will be seen on the 360. So you can ask all the questions you like, we'll just have to wait and see.
"You skipped over the FACT that Halo 3 was degraded because the 360 couldn't handle it."
Because it was a pointless and meaningless remark. What is it that YOU think the 360 couldn't handle? If you talking about technical issues rather than space, then obviously the PS3 wouldn't be able to handle it either.
"If the 360 can handle 1080p without scaling then why wasn't Halo 3 in 1080p?"
And why aren't the vast majority of PS3 games in 1080p? That's a nonsense statement ISO, because MOST 360 and PS3 games are 720p, with some less than that and upscaled to 720p on BOTH consoles.
"IF and this is a big IF the 360 can handle 1080p"
There is no IF, I listed a few games which are 1080p on the 360. Why are you in denial? You said the 360 can only do 1080p upscaled, I showed this to be false, since there are native 1080p games on the console.
"Then why aren't there any? How much longer has the 360 been out? You saying yes doesn't mean squat when you have nothing to back it up with."
Because it's a matter of opinion, and anything I say you're not going to agree with anyway. Besides, I'm not into the pantomime exchange of "Oh yes it is, oh no it isn't, oh YES IT IS, OH NO IT ISN'T"... and so on.
""and the memory efficiency arguement is nonsense"
That's your rebuttal? It's nonsense? That's a failed rebuttal."
Nope. You made claims about XDR but have failed to provide anything to back it up (and no, pointing to a website is not enough). Until you specify how XDR is so much more superior to GDDR3 beyond the bandwidth I've shown, then you have no argument, just hot air. XDR is great for the purpose, but it's nothing special to seperate the PS3 from the 360.
"3. I NEVER discussed GDDR3. That's YOUR point, not mine."
You said and I quote "Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3."
I asked you to explain what's so special about XDR in the PS3, especially compared to it's own GDDR3 memory, and you still can't answer the question, but instead you cop out with answers like "Screw that! You want me to school you? Do your own research."
"You've done nothing to show us that the 360 can offer more then PS3."
And my argument was NEVER about the 360 doing MORE than the PS3. It is you who keep attempting to twist it around that way. I've only ever said they are on par, such that your Ken Kutaragi inspired "Xbox 1.5" comment was unjustified.
""Hence I think we should just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on. Agreed?"
Screw that. I still want facts of how the 360 can offer more then the PS3."
Again, stop twisting the argument. I said the 360 is on par in terms of power, so it's not about the 360 offering MORE.
"You say the 360 WILL have FF13 and MGS4 level games. How? When? Why not yet? What are they waiting for?"
It depends on what you consider as the factors that define 'FF13 and MGS4 level games' and whether they have been or will be seen on the 360. So you can ask all the questions you like, we'll just have to wait and see.
"You skipped over the FACT that Halo 3 was degraded because the 360 couldn't handle it."
Because it was a pointless and meaningless remark. What is it that YOU think the 360 couldn't handle? If you talking about technical issues rather than space, then obviously the PS3 wouldn't be able to handle it either.
"If the 360 can handle 1080p without scaling then why wasn't Halo 3 in 1080p?"
And why aren't the vast majority of PS3 games in 1080p? That's a nonsense statement ISO, because MOST 360 and PS3 games are 720p, with some less than that and upscaled to 720p on BOTH consoles.
"IF and this is a big IF the 360 can handle 1080p"
There is no IF, I listed a few games which are 1080p on the 360. Why are you in denial? You said the 360 can only do 1080p upscaled, I showed this to be false, since there are native 1080p games on the console.
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» Part 2
"I've given FACTS of how the PS3 can offer more then the 360. I'm still waiting for the reverse."
See above. Or are you still going to keep twisting it around by asking me to show you something that I never claimed ISO?
"For anyone reading these, keep in mind I used to own a 360..."
Well good for you. I've never owned a 360 or a PS3 (but I do hope to buy BOTH this year IF I have time again for gaming. Currently spend more time working and buying/managing property (to let), so it's likely to be later rather than sooner).
"Let's go back to where this all started:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360""
*Sigh* Again distorting my words I see ISO. Let's see the FULL sentence I wrote earlier:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360 when it comes to the technical quality of it's games".
Funny how you conveniently missed off the end of that sentence ISO. Gee, anyone would have thought you did that on purpose. :P
"Even if the 360 COULD reproduce the audio (which it cant which is what made it a FAILED HD player) it wouldn't have the room!!!!"
And there you have it about the audio (it was in the reply I lost). The 5.1 vs 7.1 issue is not about power, it's about hardware and software support and as YOU'VE noted already, it's about capacity as well, especially with uncompressed audio. There's enough space on one Blu-ray disc to may uncompressed audio a viable option. This is not the case with DVD, even with multiple discs.
Anyway, by all means have the last word for the moment, since I can't reply this weekend (viewing a few new builds), so perhaps we'll just have to agree to disa...oh wait... you're having none of that I see... so I guess it's just bye for now. :)
"I've given FACTS of how the PS3 can offer more then the 360. I'm still waiting for the reverse."
See above. Or are you still going to keep twisting it around by asking me to show you something that I never claimed ISO?
"For anyone reading these, keep in mind I used to own a 360..."
Well good for you. I've never owned a 360 or a PS3 (but I do hope to buy BOTH this year IF I have time again for gaming. Currently spend more time working and buying/managing property (to let), so it's likely to be later rather than sooner).
"Let's go back to where this all started:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360""
*Sigh* Again distorting my words I see ISO. Let's see the FULL sentence I wrote earlier:
"Anyway, since the PS3 shows itself to be no better than the 360 when it comes to the technical quality of it's games".
Funny how you conveniently missed off the end of that sentence ISO. Gee, anyone would have thought you did that on purpose. :P
"Even if the 360 COULD reproduce the audio (which it cant which is what made it a FAILED HD player) it wouldn't have the room!!!!"
And there you have it about the audio (it was in the reply I lost). The 5.1 vs 7.1 issue is not about power, it's about hardware and software support and as YOU'VE noted already, it's about capacity as well, especially with uncompressed audio. There's enough space on one Blu-ray disc to may uncompressed audio a viable option. This is not the case with DVD, even with multiple discs.
Anyway, by all means have the last word for the moment, since I can't reply this weekend (viewing a few new builds), so perhaps we'll just have to agree to disa...oh wait... you're having none of that I see... so I guess it's just bye for now. :)
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Because it's a matter of opinion, and anything I say you're not going to agree with anyway. Besides, I'm not into the pantomime exchange of "Oh yes it is, oh no it isn't, oh YES IT IS, OH NO IT ISN'T"... and so on."
With that you totally backed out of everything. Plus, it's not about that at all. According to this new theory of yours EVERY 360 game CAN BE the same level as FF13 and MGS4 depending on one opinion. That's a garbage point.
"Nope. You made claims about XDR but have failed to provide anything to back it up"
I backed them up just fine. I even started you on your learning path with a link.
"and no, pointing to a website is not enough"
Bull! Anything that you would have to claim would have to be point from a website. Sorry for not having PUBLISHED a research novel on XDR that I can send you in the mail. Do your own research.
"You said and I quote "Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3."
And? What's your point?
"I asked you to explain what's so special about XDR in the PS3, especially compared to it's own GDDR3 memory"
Especially compared to it's own GDDR3 why? That comparison is moot. I didn't bring it up, you did. Both the cell processor and XDR memory combined make a super efficient combo. Thus I followed up with, "The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3." Do you want just one example of why that is true? Stanford University looked at BOTH CONSOLES. They create clients for BOTH consoles. The 360's processing power was pathetic in comparison to the PS3.
"And my argument was NEVER about the 360 doing MORE than the PS3."
Oh, that's right, I forgot. You take the stance that both consoles just so happened (must have been pure magic) to be 100% equal to each other. Even though the PS3 offers much more in features. So in your school they taught you that MORE is EQUAL???
"such that your Ken Kutaragi inspired "Xbox 1.5" comment was unjustified."
I'm waiting for proof that shows it was unjustified.
"It depends on what you consider as the factors that define 'FF13 and MGS4 level games' "
I consider ALL factors. Features, length, level of content, quality of content, quality of audio, amount of content available on screen at one time, ability to display high levels of current effects. Next you're going to be telling us all games are equal?
"And why aren't the vast majority of PS3 games in 1080p?"
Since you like math so much, check this out. Get a percentage of 360 games that are 1080p. Then get a percentage of PS3 games that are 1080p. You'll find two things:
1. The 360 has a very steady of "slim to none" 1080p games.
2. The PS3 has more 1080p games and that number is rising. Keep in mind, the percentage is rising, not the actual number of games.
"I showed this to be false, since there are native 1080p games on the console."
WRONG! Just like my Rambus link is bogus, your SAYING the games are native 1080p is bogus. You're walking a fine line with the term hypocrite. When you have MAJOR TOP NOTCH game studios that are incapable of delivering SUPER ULTRA SELLERS at 1080p then yeah, I believe other game studios are LYING. Is the 360 capable of super tiny small games (XBL) at 1080p? Sure, I'll buy that. But there is NO WAY IN HELL a full (wide scale) 1080p game could fit on a DVD9.
"Funny how you conveniently missed off the end of that sentence ISO. Gee, anyone would have thought you did that on purpose. :P"
Once again, I didn't conveniently miss anything. That's included in my statement. I have given FACTS of how the PS3 offers more then the 360....EVEN WHEN YOU regard "technical quality". I think you screwed up the use of the word "technical". Because technicaly, the PS3 has MORE FEATURES that add to quality!!!! So your little side gesture of how I skipped something was pointless.
"The 5.1 vs 7.1 issue is not about power"
Your the ONLY ONE that cares abo
"Because it's a matter of opinion, and anything I say you're not going to agree with anyway. Besides, I'm not into the pantomime exchange of "Oh yes it is, oh no it isn't, oh YES IT IS, OH NO IT ISN'T"... and so on."
With that you totally backed out of everything. Plus, it's not about that at all. According to this new theory of yours EVERY 360 game CAN BE the same level as FF13 and MGS4 depending on one opinion. That's a garbage point.
"Nope. You made claims about XDR but have failed to provide anything to back it up"
I backed them up just fine. I even started you on your learning path with a link.
"and no, pointing to a website is not enough"
Bull! Anything that you would have to claim would have to be point from a website. Sorry for not having PUBLISHED a research novel on XDR that I can send you in the mail. Do your own research.
"You said and I quote "Have you read up on what the Rambus XDR memory in the PS3 can actually do? The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3."
And? What's your point?
"I asked you to explain what's so special about XDR in the PS3, especially compared to it's own GDDR3 memory"
Especially compared to it's own GDDR3 why? That comparison is moot. I didn't bring it up, you did. Both the cell processor and XDR memory combined make a super efficient combo. Thus I followed up with, "The 360 can in no way compete with the processing power of the PS3." Do you want just one example of why that is true? Stanford University looked at BOTH CONSOLES. They create clients for BOTH consoles. The 360's processing power was pathetic in comparison to the PS3.
"And my argument was NEVER about the 360 doing MORE than the PS3."
Oh, that's right, I forgot. You take the stance that both consoles just so happened (must have been pure magic) to be 100% equal to each other. Even though the PS3 offers much more in features. So in your school they taught you that MORE is EQUAL???
"such that your Ken Kutaragi inspired "Xbox 1.5" comment was unjustified."
I'm waiting for proof that shows it was unjustified.
"It depends on what you consider as the factors that define 'FF13 and MGS4 level games' "
I consider ALL factors. Features, length, level of content, quality of content, quality of audio, amount of content available on screen at one time, ability to display high levels of current effects. Next you're going to be telling us all games are equal?
"And why aren't the vast majority of PS3 games in 1080p?"
Since you like math so much, check this out. Get a percentage of 360 games that are 1080p. Then get a percentage of PS3 games that are 1080p. You'll find two things:
1. The 360 has a very steady of "slim to none" 1080p games.
2. The PS3 has more 1080p games and that number is rising. Keep in mind, the percentage is rising, not the actual number of games.
"I showed this to be false, since there are native 1080p games on the console."
WRONG! Just like my Rambus link is bogus, your SAYING the games are native 1080p is bogus. You're walking a fine line with the term hypocrite. When you have MAJOR TOP NOTCH game studios that are incapable of delivering SUPER ULTRA SELLERS at 1080p then yeah, I believe other game studios are LYING. Is the 360 capable of super tiny small games (XBL) at 1080p? Sure, I'll buy that. But there is NO WAY IN HELL a full (wide scale) 1080p game could fit on a DVD9.
"Funny how you conveniently missed off the end of that sentence ISO. Gee, anyone would have thought you did that on purpose. :P"
Once again, I didn't conveniently miss anything. That's included in my statement. I have given FACTS of how the PS3 offers more then the 360....EVEN WHEN YOU regard "technical quality". I think you screwed up the use of the word "technical". Because technicaly, the PS3 has MORE FEATURES that add to quality!!!! So your little side gesture of how I skipped something was pointless.
"The 5.1 vs 7.1 issue is not about power"
Your the ONLY ONE that cares abo
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
about power. In fact I even mentioned how I loved how you flipped this into a power debate. THE PS3 OFFERS MORE THEN THE 360. That comment doesn't NOT just mean in power. So yes, as much as you love to throw out FACTS, my comment is 100% relevant.
"Because it was a pointless and meaningless remark. What is it that YOU think the 360 couldn't handle? If you talking about technical issues rather than space, then obviously the PS3 wouldn't be able to handle it either."
See, this is where you cry out that everything is opinion and nothing is fact and everything out of the other persons mouth is pointless. If it's pointless, then stop responding. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I THINK the 360 couldn't handle. The actual DEVELOPERS have TOLD US what the 360 could NOT handle many aspects they included in the game and why they HAD to step back to (was it) 640p.
I'm done with this. Everything that someone throws at you as FACT you just step back and say it doesn't mater or call it opinion. If facts don't mater to you then there is no point in debating.
So what's the bottom line? I've given FACTS of how the PS3 offers more then the 360. Yet you want to still claim after all that the 360 is equal to the PS3. You want to claim the 360 is equal to the PS3 yet you refuse to explain to us how the 360 can offer a FULL HD EXPERIENCE in terms of a normal length game.
about power. In fact I even mentioned how I loved how you flipped this into a power debate. THE PS3 OFFERS MORE THEN THE 360. That comment doesn't NOT just mean in power. So yes, as much as you love to throw out FACTS, my comment is 100% relevant.
"Because it was a pointless and meaningless remark. What is it that YOU think the 360 couldn't handle? If you talking about technical issues rather than space, then obviously the PS3 wouldn't be able to handle it either."
See, this is where you cry out that everything is opinion and nothing is fact and everything out of the other persons mouth is pointless. If it's pointless, then stop responding. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I THINK the 360 couldn't handle. The actual DEVELOPERS have TOLD US what the 360 could NOT handle many aspects they included in the game and why they HAD to step back to (was it) 640p.
I'm done with this. Everything that someone throws at you as FACT you just step back and say it doesn't mater or call it opinion. If facts don't mater to you then there is no point in debating.
So what's the bottom line? I've given FACTS of how the PS3 offers more then the 360. Yet you want to still claim after all that the 360 is equal to the PS3. You want to claim the 360 is equal to the PS3 yet you refuse to explain to us how the 360 can offer a FULL HD EXPERIENCE in terms of a normal length game.
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» LOL! I'm back now, and I'm done with this too
"I'm done with this. Everything that someone throws at you as FACT you just step back and say it doesn't mater or call it opinion. If facts don't mater to you then there is no point in debating."
Unfortunately you've wasted your time with the replies you've giving, since I didn't bother reading them this time, as I'm sure it's just more of the same (although I did glance over them briefly).
Anyway, facts do matter to me, but obviously not to you. :) You only listen to those who say want you *want* to hear I notice, hence your naive belief in *everything* console exclusive devs tell you, and your incredibly naive belief that such devs are unbiased with their views. This is also evident when you provided a link from RAMBUS for information about THEIR XDR memory, as if they will provide an unbiased analysis on it's strengths. (Gee, let's ask MS and MS exclusive devs for an unbiased view about the 360 console *rolleyes* ;)).
I could go on, but you're just a waste of my valuable time, and after one of the best weekends I've had in years (in the housing market), you've only acted as a perfect reminder of why my time and efforts are better spent on the things and people that actually matter (i.e. where the rewards can be great), instead of wasting so much time with people like yourself online (I'll still be on QJ though, just not in these long pointless arguements :)).
That may be a bit harsh, but after the weekend I've just had, I really couldn't care less (and yes, I do have a rather smug smile on my face at present :D).
So thanks for reminding me on what's important ISO. Have a nice life :)
"I'm done with this. Everything that someone throws at you as FACT you just step back and say it doesn't mater or call it opinion. If facts don't mater to you then there is no point in debating."
Unfortunately you've wasted your time with the replies you've giving, since I didn't bother reading them this time, as I'm sure it's just more of the same (although I did glance over them briefly).
Anyway, facts do matter to me, but obviously not to you. :) You only listen to those who say want you *want* to hear I notice, hence your naive belief in *everything* console exclusive devs tell you, and your incredibly naive belief that such devs are unbiased with their views. This is also evident when you provided a link from RAMBUS for information about THEIR XDR memory, as if they will provide an unbiased analysis on it's strengths. (Gee, let's ask MS and MS exclusive devs for an unbiased view about the 360 console *rolleyes* ;)).
I could go on, but you're just a waste of my valuable time, and after one of the best weekends I've had in years (in the housing market), you've only acted as a perfect reminder of why my time and efforts are better spent on the things and people that actually matter (i.e. where the rewards can be great), instead of wasting so much time with people like yourself online (I'll still be on QJ though, just not in these long pointless arguements :)).
That may be a bit harsh, but after the weekend I've just had, I really couldn't care less (and yes, I do have a rather smug smile on my face at present :D).
So thanks for reminding me on what's important ISO. Have a nice life :)
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Anyway, facts do matter to me, but obviously not to you. :) You only listen to those who say want you *want* to hear"
Not true at all. I've proven countless times that I'm the most non biased person you'll ever meet. I'm still waiting to hear or see how the list of offerings on the PS3 IS NOT greater then the 360.
"hence your naive belief in *everything* console exclusive devs tell you,"
You know, this comment right here is hilarious especially coming from you. For three reasons:
1. You like to claim that I only hear what I want to hear, yet you prove right here that you NEVER saw my comment about this not just being the Devs. It's also the gaming company. But if you want to remain blind and keep thinking that certain individuals within dev teams run entire corporations then have fun.
2. I remember a debate over console power where your ONLY source of information was from Naughty Dog. Because a SINGLE persona made a SINGLE comment that could go a couple different ways, you picked a way and stuck to your guns. Why? Because it was NAUGHTY DOG!!!! That was your only defense.
3. EVERYTHING? All Devs? You sound as bad as an over exaggerating woman! I've done nothing to give anyone this impression. I don't blindly believe anything anyone tells me. The acts of many usualy outshine the act of one.
"I could go on, but you're just a waste of my valuable time"
Obviously it's not so valuable. Scroll up.
"you've only acted as a perfect reminder of why my time and efforts are better spent on the things and people that actually matter (i.e. where the rewards can be great), instead of wasting so much time with people like yourself online (I'll still be on QJ though, just not in these long pointless arguements :))."
HAHAHA!!!! That was great. You keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
"I really couldn't care less"
THANK YOU!!!!!! For getting that right. I'm so SICK AND TIRED of people botching that one up. People that say "I could care less" sound like such idiots!
"So thanks for reminding me on what's important ISO. Have a nice life :) "
If I remember correctly, you said almost the same thing last time. So....see you next time!
Just to restate the bottom (err...obvious) for everyone:
1. The PS3 offers MORE to consumers then the 360. Especially now with the death of HD-DVD!
2. The 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5. Which is great! If you want a tiny upgrade and much better XBL.
"Anyway, facts do matter to me, but obviously not to you. :) You only listen to those who say want you *want* to hear"
Not true at all. I've proven countless times that I'm the most non biased person you'll ever meet. I'm still waiting to hear or see how the list of offerings on the PS3 IS NOT greater then the 360.
"hence your naive belief in *everything* console exclusive devs tell you,"
You know, this comment right here is hilarious especially coming from you. For three reasons:
1. You like to claim that I only hear what I want to hear, yet you prove right here that you NEVER saw my comment about this not just being the Devs. It's also the gaming company. But if you want to remain blind and keep thinking that certain individuals within dev teams run entire corporations then have fun.
2. I remember a debate over console power where your ONLY source of information was from Naughty Dog. Because a SINGLE persona made a SINGLE comment that could go a couple different ways, you picked a way and stuck to your guns. Why? Because it was NAUGHTY DOG!!!! That was your only defense.
3. EVERYTHING? All Devs? You sound as bad as an over exaggerating woman! I've done nothing to give anyone this impression. I don't blindly believe anything anyone tells me. The acts of many usualy outshine the act of one.
"I could go on, but you're just a waste of my valuable time"
Obviously it's not so valuable. Scroll up.
"you've only acted as a perfect reminder of why my time and efforts are better spent on the things and people that actually matter (i.e. where the rewards can be great), instead of wasting so much time with people like yourself online (I'll still be on QJ though, just not in these long pointless arguements :))."
HAHAHA!!!! That was great. You keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
"I really couldn't care less"
THANK YOU!!!!!! For getting that right. I'm so SICK AND TIRED of people botching that one up. People that say "I could care less" sound like such idiots!
"So thanks for reminding me on what's important ISO. Have a nice life :) "
If I remember correctly, you said almost the same thing last time. So....see you next time!
Just to restate the bottom (err...obvious) for everyone:
1. The PS3 offers MORE to consumers then the 360. Especially now with the death of HD-DVD!
2. The 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5. Which is great! If you want a tiny upgrade and much better XBL.
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» Last but not least
LOL, sorry about that last post, I was on a massive high after the weekend (I think it showed), and I still haven't fully come down as yet :).
Anyway, just a couple of *quick* points;
"I've proven countless times that I'm the most non biased person you'll ever meet"
Nope. Moving on... :)
"I remember a debate over console power where your ONLY source of information was from Naughty Dog. "
Nice example of selective memory. Do find the link so that we can see the context of the arguements.
"THANK YOU!!!!!! For getting that right. I'm so SICK AND TIRED of people botching that one up. People that say "I could care less" sound like such idiots!"
And thank you, at least we agree on something. My other favourite is "Your an idiot". I laugh every time I read that. :)
"If I remember correctly, you said almost the same thing last time. So....see you next time!"
Yeah I know, old habits die hard. ;)
"The 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5"
In the same way I guess the PS2 was a Playstation 1.5 compared to the XBox. But hey, that's an argument for another time. ;)
LOL, sorry about that last post, I was on a massive high after the weekend (I think it showed), and I still haven't fully come down as yet :).
Anyway, just a couple of *quick* points;
"I've proven countless times that I'm the most non biased person you'll ever meet"
Nope. Moving on... :)
"I remember a debate over console power where your ONLY source of information was from Naughty Dog. "
Nice example of selective memory. Do find the link so that we can see the context of the arguements.
"THANK YOU!!!!!! For getting that right. I'm so SICK AND TIRED of people botching that one up. People that say "I could care less" sound like such idiots!"
And thank you, at least we agree on something. My other favourite is "Your an idiot". I laugh every time I read that. :)
"If I remember correctly, you said almost the same thing last time. So....see you next time!"
Yeah I know, old habits die hard. ;)
"The 360 is nothing more then an Xbox v1.5"
In the same way I guess the PS2 was a Playstation 1.5 compared to the XBox. But hey, that's an argument for another time. ;)
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"In the same way I guess the PS2 was a Playstation 1.5 compared to the XBox. But hey, that's an argument for another time."
..... v1.85..... at least it made jumps in new standards such as component video.
I'm highly suprised you haven't called my second most favorit system a v1.5....the Wii! I would have agreed in a heartbeat but then again I've stated many times around here that unit is NOT NextGen, no one claims it is, neither does Nintendo.
"In the same way I guess the PS2 was a Playstation 1.5 compared to the XBox. But hey, that's an argument for another time."
..... v1.85..... at least it made jumps in new standards such as component video.
I'm highly suprised you haven't called my second most favorit system a v1.5....the Wii! I would have agreed in a heartbeat but then again I've stated many times around here that unit is NOT NextGen, no one claims it is, neither does Nintendo.
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-19 |
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» Hmmm
"..... v1.85..... at least it made jumps in new standards such as component video."
1.85 is being way to generous under the circumstances. ;)
"I'm highly suprised you haven't called my second most favorit system a v1.5....the Wii!"
That's because for me, the Wii is also a next-gen console (and yes, I know Nintendo position it as something else). Under your definition of next-gen, some may call it a GC 1.5, but that would be ignoring the control method. So whilst I'm not a fan of the Wii personally (the games just don't appeal to me), it is a superb console which has taken motion-sensing and made it *work* for gaming, and that's a breakthrough imo.
"..... v1.85..... at least it made jumps in new standards such as component video."
1.85 is being way to generous under the circumstances. ;)
"I'm highly suprised you haven't called my second most favorit system a v1.5....the Wii!"
That's because for me, the Wii is also a next-gen console (and yes, I know Nintendo position it as something else). Under your definition of next-gen, some may call it a GC 1.5, but that would be ignoring the control method. So whilst I'm not a fan of the Wii personally (the games just don't appeal to me), it is a superb console which has taken motion-sensing and made it *work* for gaming, and that's a breakthrough imo.
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"That's because for me, the Wii is also a next-gen console (and yes, I know Nintendo position it as something else)."
See what I mean, you even go against the manufacture. Nintendo lives and operates out of reality, not yaz land.
"Under your definition of next-gen, some may call it a GC 1.5, but that would be ignoring the control method."
No, it's not. That's .3 of the .5. Yes, there is REAL math here...hahaha!
"and that's a breakthrough imo."
That's fine, if you consider "break-through" apart of the definition of NextGen. Most don't.
"That's because for me, the Wii is also a next-gen console (and yes, I know Nintendo position it as something else)."
See what I mean, you even go against the manufacture. Nintendo lives and operates out of reality, not yaz land.
"Under your definition of next-gen, some may call it a GC 1.5, but that would be ignoring the control method."
No, it's not. That's .3 of the .5. Yes, there is REAL math here...hahaha!
"and that's a breakthrough imo."
That's fine, if you consider "break-through" apart of the definition of NextGen. Most don't.
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-20 |
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» That's all folks
"See what I mean, you even go against the manufacture."
Microsoft (and almost everyone else) says the 360 is next-gen, and yet you go against the manufacturer. If it's good enough for you, then it's good enough for me. :P
"Nintendo lives and operates out of reality, not yaz land"
Yaz land is a much better place to live than the asylum known as ISO's Haven. ;)
Anyway, that's all from me here now, but by all means have the last word ISO (being a fellow sufferer from 'Lastworditis' :)).
"See what I mean, you even go against the manufacture."
Microsoft (and almost everyone else) says the 360 is next-gen, and yet you go against the manufacturer. If it's good enough for you, then it's good enough for me. :P
"Nintendo lives and operates out of reality, not yaz land"
Yaz land is a much better place to live than the asylum known as ISO's Haven. ;)
Anyway, that's all from me here now, but by all means have the last word ISO (being a fellow sufferer from 'Lastworditis' :)).
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
"Microsoft (and almost everyone else) says the 360 is next-gen, and yet you go against the manufacturer. If it's good enough for you, then it's good enough for me. :P"
HA! I knew you'd fall for that one. Sucka! ;p That is exactly my point. Just because someone DOES, doesn't mean they SHOULD have.
"Anyway, that's all from me here now, but by all means have the last word ISO (being a fellow sufferer from 'Lastworditis' :))."
You've already said this. So, like I said, until NEXT TIME. I believe you also said this twice or three time the last time to.....
"Microsoft (and almost everyone else) says the 360 is next-gen, and yet you go against the manufacturer. If it's good enough for you, then it's good enough for me. :P"
HA! I knew you'd fall for that one. Sucka! ;p That is exactly my point. Just because someone DOES, doesn't mean they SHOULD have.
"Anyway, that's all from me here now, but by all means have the last word ISO (being a fellow sufferer from 'Lastworditis' :))."
You've already said this. So, like I said, until NEXT TIME. I believe you also said this twice or three time the last time to.....
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by Binary - 2008-03-16 |
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» JESUS FACKING CHRIST
Dude you guys b**ch alot.
Heres what I think plan and simple.
360 - Cheap but good if you a gears of war fan or halo.
PS3 - Very good but not so cheap, great for MGS fan.
Wii - great for young kids that likes pokiemon, old school games, and mario.
Everybody got different taste of games, like wearing boxers or underwear.
Dude you guys b**ch alot.
Heres what I think plan and simple.
360 - Cheap but good if you a gears of war fan or halo.
PS3 - Very good but not so cheap, great for MGS fan.
Wii - great for young kids that likes pokiemon, old school games, and mario.
Everybody got different taste of games, like wearing boxers or underwear.
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-17 |
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» Hmmm
"like wearing boxers or underwear."
360 + Y-fronts
PS3 + Boxer Shorts
Wii + Thong
"like wearing boxers or underwear."
360 + Y-fronts
PS3 + Boxer Shorts
Wii + Thong
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by Wizborg - 2008-03-17 |
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» » Hmmm
lmao...
360 - Y-Fronts - Well fitting, but no room, can chafe, gets very hot, can cause damage to delicate instruments if used incorrectly.
PS3 - Boxer Shorts - Very comfortable, room for growth, but support could be better.
Wii - Thong (I'd personally say g-string) - Fanciful for a while, can get uncomfortable while using, novelty wears off after a while.
:D ;P
lmao...
360 - Y-Fronts - Well fitting, but no room, can chafe, gets very hot, can cause damage to delicate instruments if used incorrectly.
PS3 - Boxer Shorts - Very comfortable, room for growth, but support could be better.
Wii - Thong (I'd personally say g-string) - Fanciful for a while, can get uncomfortable while using, novelty wears off after a while.
:D ;P
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Re: Yaz - 2008-03-19 |
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» .
:D
:D
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by sickofitall - 2008-03-18 |
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» what
the hell kind of dissertations were these? These have to be the longest comments ever.
the hell kind of dissertations were these? These have to be the longest comments ever.
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