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by PS# (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» Awful... but not the fault of video games
First off I would like to say that this is a terrible situation and I hope the young man pulls through. I have to say that I do not see this as a video games issue or a violence in video games issue. This is obviously a trouble young man and any number of things could have set him off. This same sort of thing could have easily happened over a game of Monopoly or who get to watch the TV. I have seen fight get out of hand between my friend and his brother on many occasions. Although I don't think it would have ever got this far, even if there was a gun around, it often got to beyond reason and someone ended up hurt. These fights where many years ago and never had anything to do with video games. I could be way off base here but that just how I would initially see this situation.
First off I would like to say that this is a terrible situation and I hope the young man pulls through. I have to say that I do not see this as a video games issue or a violence in video games issue. This is obviously a trouble young man and any number of things could have set him off. This same sort of thing could have easily happened over a game of Monopoly or who get to watch the TV. I have seen fight get out of hand between my friend and his brother on many occasions. Although I don't think it would have ever got this far, even if there was a gun around, it often got to beyond reason and someone ended up hurt. These fights where many years ago and never had anything to do with video games. I could be way off base here but that just how I would initially see this situation.
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Re: _F1 - 2006-10-24 |
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» Such a shame
It's a shame that the most important thing to some of you when reading an article like this is defending your precious video games, lest they be taken away from you.
It's a shame that the most important thing to some of you when reading an article like this is defending your precious video games, lest they be taken away from you.
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by Tom (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» Not from video games
Isn't the location that this took place at in the middle of Detroit? If so, shootings happen there at least once a day, and is not that suprising after hearing about another death every day in Detroit (I live pretty close by). So, I believe that this really isn't all about the video games. This stuff happens all of the time. As the other guy said, it could have happened over anything in Detroit. People kill eachother for their shoes there!
Isn't the location that this took place at in the middle of Detroit? If so, shootings happen there at least once a day, and is not that suprising after hearing about another death every day in Detroit (I live pretty close by). So, I believe that this really isn't all about the video games. This stuff happens all of the time. As the other guy said, it could have happened over anything in Detroit. People kill eachother for their shoes there!
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Re: Phantum Zero - 2006-10-23 |
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» Read the story
It says it was in Montgomery, Alabama
It says it was in Montgomery, Alabama
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Re: how stupid can you be (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» jeez read the damn article
wow, did you even bother to read the article?
wow, did you even bother to read the article?
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by np (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» .
i think it should be 'there is a direct link between the number of guns and the number of shootings'
you dont see things like this in europe where there arent many guns.
i think it should be 'there is a direct link between the number of guns and the number of shootings'
you dont see things like this in europe where there arent many guns.
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Re: Alex (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» guns
i libe in Canada and we have more guns per person than the US, but we still dont have this kind of thing. Canada 30 million people and 11 million guns US 300 million people and 90 million guns
i libe in Canada and we have more guns per person than the US, but we still dont have this kind of thing. Canada 30 million people and 11 million guns US 300 million people and 90 million guns
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by Heath (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» This could happen with anything
When we let our minds and emotions get wrapped up in anything this is possible. Shootings like this have happened over street ball in the hood many of times. I think we need to make sure our minds and emotions do not get directed by a video game and we make sure to seperate them from reality. To shoot a family member over a video game is a very sad glimpse of how lost our world really is.
When we let our minds and emotions get wrapped up in anything this is possible. Shootings like this have happened over street ball in the hood many of times. I think we need to make sure our minds and emotions do not get directed by a video game and we make sure to seperate them from reality. To shoot a family member over a video game is a very sad glimpse of how lost our world really is.
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by senjutsu - 2006-10-23 |
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» dah
I mean, in the US everybody have a gun so it's inevitable that some of them will use it, and add the fact that united-stadians love violence more than any other culture. I mean, in the US you are almost pushed to kill another, you have guns in your house, you listen to movies where everybody use them, you see "carnage" at school and stuff like that on the tv news who, in the US are sensation media, so they almost only show blood and murder. Put that all together, add the war the contry is doing and you have a gread salada of answer to the problem, and the video games are not in the choices...
the problem is the contry itself!
ps: I'm studying political sciences at l'université du québec à montréal and I must we all know "bush" is a contry boy who don't know anything about human rights or politics... so knowing the people elected him is like saying the united-stadians are stupid, or at least the majority ( the south ).
I mean, in the US everybody have a gun so it's inevitable that some of them will use it, and add the fact that united-stadians love violence more than any other culture. I mean, in the US you are almost pushed to kill another, you have guns in your house, you listen to movies where everybody use them, you see "carnage" at school and stuff like that on the tv news who, in the US are sensation media, so they almost only show blood and murder. Put that all together, add the war the contry is doing and you have a gread salada of answer to the problem, and the video games are not in the choices...
the problem is the contry itself!
ps: I'm studying political sciences at l'université du québec à montréal and I must we all know "bush" is a contry boy who don't know anything about human rights or politics... so knowing the people elected him is like saying the united-stadians are stupid, or at least the majority ( the south ).
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Re: Annony - 2006-10-23 |
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» eh?
studying political sciences at l'université du québec à montréal is like studying Home Economics taught by Anna Nicole Smith...
studying political sciences at l'université du québec à montréal is like studying Home Economics taught by Anna Nicole Smith...
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Re: LOL (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» give up schoolling
studing politics? And you can barely spell some of the common words out there, or make sense for that matter.
studing politics? And you can barely spell some of the common words out there, or make sense for that matter.
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Re: Chris (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» studing politics?
Spelling nazis that can't spell are hilarious
Spelling nazis that can't spell are hilarious
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Re: kryptin (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» guns in all us households?
the us isn't as gun crazy as you think. have you ever been to the us? i live in seattle, wa usa and don't own a gun and no one i know owns a gun either. Guns are a lot rarer around here then the news likes to say espeacially outside the southern states.. the amount of violence in the us has not risen and in fact is lower then a decade ago. At the sametime however the reportings of violence stories in the news has risen causing this bs to be thought by people in other countries such as yourself as well as a lot of people in the usa too. do yourself a favor and dont get your facts about a country from the major news outlets. all they want to do is sell a story.
/excuse the lack of caps i have a broken wrist and am typing with one hand.
the us isn't as gun crazy as you think. have you ever been to the us? i live in seattle, wa usa and don't own a gun and no one i know owns a gun either. Guns are a lot rarer around here then the news likes to say espeacially outside the southern states.. the amount of violence in the us has not risen and in fact is lower then a decade ago. At the sametime however the reportings of violence stories in the news has risen causing this bs to be thought by people in other countries such as yourself as well as a lot of people in the usa too. do yourself a favor and dont get your facts about a country from the major news outlets. all they want to do is sell a story.
/excuse the lack of caps i have a broken wrist and am typing with one hand.
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by fdfs (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» IRRISPONSIBLE PARENTING
Some kids are mature enough for video games, some are not mature enough. If you aren't able to measure your child's maturity, then you have absolutely no business being a parent.
Some kids are mature enough for video games, some are not mature enough. If you aren't able to measure your child's maturity, then you have absolutely no business being a parent.
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by Rich (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» @tom and senjutsu
MIddle of Detroit??? Are we reading the same article?? IT says Montgomery, Alabama. And how does the location matter, and i dont agree that its parenting either. These are young adults at 17 and 22 they should be able to make rational decisioins on their own. This is just one sick human being who didnt get what he wanted so he thinks that its ok the SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE CHEST.
And to Senjutsu.... My dear God please never ever make a retarded comment like that about a country and a language that you obviously know little about. Yes we know Bush is a moron but we didnt put vote him in cause hes a great leader, we voted him in due to lack of choices (and i please everyone do not turn this into a political debate... im just saying my opinion... i didnt vote in either election cause i hated all the canidates... hate me if you want but i know that there are many others that feel the same way). Please just stay in Canada and dont worry about anything the US does... until we come and burn your *****ing country to the ground
MIddle of Detroit??? Are we reading the same article?? IT says Montgomery, Alabama. And how does the location matter, and i dont agree that its parenting either. These are young adults at 17 and 22 they should be able to make rational decisioins on their own. This is just one sick human being who didnt get what he wanted so he thinks that its ok the SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE CHEST.
And to Senjutsu.... My dear God please never ever make a retarded comment like that about a country and a language that you obviously know little about. Yes we know Bush is a moron but we didnt put vote him in cause hes a great leader, we voted him in due to lack of choices (and i please everyone do not turn this into a political debate... im just saying my opinion... i didnt vote in either election cause i hated all the canidates... hate me if you want but i know that there are many others that feel the same way). Please just stay in Canada and dont worry about anything the US does... until we come and burn your *****ing country to the ground
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Re: Annony - 2006-10-23 |
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» I agree with Rich
The elements of 'having guns' and 'playing videogames' are scapegoats to the simple fact that this person was sick in the head. So if I'm playing basketball, and I shoot the guy who beat me, should we all boycott Wilson basketballs? That's retarded.
And the gun arguement... Jesus C, sheeple! Anybody ever run the stats on crime between areas with high LEGAL gun ownership among citiziens vs. not? Ever notice that fewer people will try to mug you if you're in a city where you can be licensed to carry a firearm? Or, how fewer burglaries happen in rural homes?
The gun arguement is hypocritical, because you're fighting to defend one scapegoat by creating another.
Besides, saying guns are responsible for violence is like saying a pencil is responsible for spelling errors.
Finally:
CRITICISM OF THE PRESIDENT AND THE U.S. GOV'T IS RESERVED FOR U.S. CITIZENS! If you're not a registered voter of the U.S., then shutthef*ckup about things you don't know anything about!
The elements of 'having guns' and 'playing videogames' are scapegoats to the simple fact that this person was sick in the head. So if I'm playing basketball, and I shoot the guy who beat me, should we all boycott Wilson basketballs? That's retarded.
And the gun arguement... Jesus C, sheeple! Anybody ever run the stats on crime between areas with high LEGAL gun ownership among citiziens vs. not? Ever notice that fewer people will try to mug you if you're in a city where you can be licensed to carry a firearm? Or, how fewer burglaries happen in rural homes?
The gun arguement is hypocritical, because you're fighting to defend one scapegoat by creating another.
Besides, saying guns are responsible for violence is like saying a pencil is responsible for spelling errors.
Finally:
CRITICISM OF THE PRESIDENT AND THE U.S. GOV'T IS RESERVED FOR U.S. CITIZENS! If you're not a registered voter of the U.S., then shutthef*ckup about things you don't know anything about!
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Re: jason (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» hypocrite
How about you check your own spelling and grammar as you attack someone else for theirs?
Besides, I doubt we'll ever attack Canada, and we only know the person is studying there, he could easily be from France (damn French).
How about you check your own spelling and grammar as you attack someone else for theirs?
Besides, I doubt we'll ever attack Canada, and we only know the person is studying there, he could easily be from France (damn French).
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by BULL3TPR00F - 2006-10-23 |
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» i agree
i agree with number 1.
i agree with number 1.
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by sakura (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» taxen out of contextq
this is being blown up out of context for no reason atall, i wont be surprised if a certain lowclass lawyer ran into this one. it doesnt take a genious to realize this wasnt a game enduced crime. the brothers where playing a game and may have started arguing about it, then it escalated to personal issues, then further till it got violent and they took out the guns. same as bar fights, and ppl that start arguing with somethng small, their hormones act up and they let out their repressed emotions. lets not try and blaim this on games, and shame on you qj staff lol
this is being blown up out of context for no reason atall, i wont be surprised if a certain lowclass lawyer ran into this one. it doesnt take a genious to realize this wasnt a game enduced crime. the brothers where playing a game and may have started arguing about it, then it escalated to personal issues, then further till it got violent and they took out the guns. same as bar fights, and ppl that start arguing with somethng small, their hormones act up and they let out their repressed emotions. lets not try and blaim this on games, and shame on you qj staff lol
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by jason (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» guns don't kill people, people kill people
The same should be said about video games. I've play all sorts of games (cards, video, board, drinking) and none of them have caused me to mimic the behavior in real life (ok, except drinking games).
The reason, I was tought well by my parents and school educators that what happens in a game or a cartoon or a movie are not real. I know shooting someone is likely to kill them, if not just serious hurt them, I know what reality is and the ramifications of my actions.
The same should be said about video games. I've play all sorts of games (cards, video, board, drinking) and none of them have caused me to mimic the behavior in real life (ok, except drinking games).
The reason, I was tought well by my parents and school educators that what happens in a game or a cartoon or a movie are not real. I know shooting someone is likely to kill them, if not just serious hurt them, I know what reality is and the ramifications of my actions.
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by ContrAss - 2006-10-23 |
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» no pity
no pity what so ever. This guy is 17 years old and still doesn't realize bullets hurt people; what a *****ing moron. And not only that but he's to young to own a gun, so most likely that gun was his father's, meaning $h|ty parenting was at fault. And what happens at the very end of it all? The *****got killed his bro, disgraced his family and shoved a stick up the gaming industry's already sore butthole.
And sorry senjutsu, but your post was wwaaaayyy out of line. Being an asian American that grew up in Saudi, I faced discrimination in the face all the time but of course they never knew what the ***** they were talking about. What’s pathetic is that you’re just a stone throw away from the border and you couldn’t be anymore wrong. But I guess this is coming for a country where the best thing to come out of it is bioware and poutine. But don’t get me wrong, Canada is cool and all, but not world power great.
no pity what so ever. This guy is 17 years old and still doesn't realize bullets hurt people; what a *****ing moron. And not only that but he's to young to own a gun, so most likely that gun was his father's, meaning $h|ty parenting was at fault. And what happens at the very end of it all? The *****got killed his bro, disgraced his family and shoved a stick up the gaming industry's already sore butthole.
And sorry senjutsu, but your post was wwaaaayyy out of line. Being an asian American that grew up in Saudi, I faced discrimination in the face all the time but of course they never knew what the ***** they were talking about. What’s pathetic is that you’re just a stone throw away from the border and you couldn’t be anymore wrong. But I guess this is coming for a country where the best thing to come out of it is bioware and poutine. But don’t get me wrong, Canada is cool and all, but not world power great.
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by Jin - 2006-10-23 |
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» Oh great, now Jack Thompson has ammo...
Great. Now watch, everyone, as that lunatic uses this in his campaign against videogames. God, i can imagine how he's gonna use this one as "an abomination to the western civilization." Once again this proves that games don't encourage kids to shoot people, neglegent parents do.
Great. Now watch, everyone, as that lunatic uses this in his campaign against videogames. God, i can imagine how he's gonna use this one as "an abomination to the western civilization." Once again this proves that games don't encourage kids to shoot people, neglegent parents do.
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by Chava_un_Logged (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» THis could have been over something else.
He could have shot his brother over a girl, food, or what ever else. Things like this happen all the time. People shoot one another for bumping into each other at the club.
He could have shot his brother over a girl, food, or what ever else. Things like this happen all the time. People shoot one another for bumping into each other at the club.
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by Frothy (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» This is not video game news
This posting has no place on a video game web site. By even posting this news, QJ seems to be acknowledging that video games are to blame. Do you think gunsandammo.com is going to cover this story? Certainly not, although I'm sure that their representatives feel that the act is unfortunate.
"No specific game or platform was mentioned" - what difference does the game make in an attempted murder? Why not comment that "no specific model of gun was mentioned"? People shouldn't care how a 17 year old got his hands on GTA, but how he got his hands on a gun and bullets.
This posting has no place on a video game web site. By even posting this news, QJ seems to be acknowledging that video games are to blame. Do you think gunsandammo.com is going to cover this story? Certainly not, although I'm sure that their representatives feel that the act is unfortunate.
"No specific game or platform was mentioned" - what difference does the game make in an attempted murder? Why not comment that "no specific model of gun was mentioned"? People shouldn't care how a 17 year old got his hands on GTA, but how he got his hands on a gun and bullets.
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by some dude (Unregistered) - 2006-10-23 |
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» What does this have to do with games?
They could have been arguing over money, or over which one would be borrowing their parent's car...the violence could have been influenced by anything. Just because they were arguing over a game(which would have been a Mario game for all you know) doesn't mean that the violence was inspired by the game.
They could have been arguing over money, or over which one would be borrowing their parent's car...the violence could have been influenced by anything. Just because they were arguing over a game(which would have been a Mario game for all you know) doesn't mean that the violence was inspired by the game.
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by RommelTJ - 2006-10-23 |
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» Don't say Our!
Hey Ryan A.!
AT the end of your story, you said: "Our hearts go to the wounded and the the family of the victim." I don't feel sorry for the guy that shot him, nor for the 22 year old that got shot. He was probably being a dip****.
Honestly, would it hurt you so much to pass the bloody(pun intended) controller?
Hey Ryan A.!
AT the end of your story, you said: "Our hearts go to the wounded and the the family of the victim." I don't feel sorry for the guy that shot him, nor for the 22 year old that got shot. He was probably being a dip****.
Honestly, would it hurt you so much to pass the bloody(pun intended) controller?
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by Jewels (Unregistered) - 2006-10-24 |
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» Passing the buck
The real culprit here is the breakdown of the family structure. This started back in the 60's, so it's nothing new. The only thing new is that video games are the new target. See no one likes to believe that they and/or their lifestyle is the culprit, so they pass the buck and find something or someone else to blame. Back in the 70's it was D & D (omg that is the devil corrupting our children!). Never mind in the rush to buy the newest cars, houses, toys and whatever we all workk long hours and the childern grow up with no role models except for what's on tv, music and/or movies. Before them it was books corrupting our youth! When keeping up with the Jones became more important than our children, when our older generation is shunted offf to the nursing homes and children today are some times lucky to know who there father is. That is when civilization started to backslide. So to blame inanimate objects for our own failings is ridiculous.
The real culprit here is the breakdown of the family structure. This started back in the 60's, so it's nothing new. The only thing new is that video games are the new target. See no one likes to believe that they and/or their lifestyle is the culprit, so they pass the buck and find something or someone else to blame. Back in the 70's it was D & D (omg that is the devil corrupting our children!). Never mind in the rush to buy the newest cars, houses, toys and whatever we all workk long hours and the childern grow up with no role models except for what's on tv, music and/or movies. Before them it was books corrupting our youth! When keeping up with the Jones became more important than our children, when our older generation is shunted offf to the nursing homes and children today are some times lucky to know who there father is. That is when civilization started to backslide. So to blame inanimate objects for our own failings is ridiculous.
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Re: DemonicAngel (Unregistered) - 2006-10-28 |
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» Amen.
Finally, somebody who sees the problem here.
Finally, somebody who sees the problem here.
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by Jin - 2006-10-26 |
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» hallelujah!
thank you, Finally. old people suck.
thank you, Finally. old people suck.
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