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The (new) chip operates at 6GHz at 1.3V and is fabricated in a 65nm CMOS SOI technology. The 65nm CELL Broadband Engine design features a dual power supply, which enhances SRAM stability and performance using an elevated array-specific power supply, while reducing the logic power consumption. |
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by Vincent (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» 6ghz.,..
wow 6ghz....i could use a processor like that..... to power my son's brain.
wow 6ghz....i could use a processor like that..... to power my son's brain.
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by Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» PS4?
The PS3 actually could be worth $600 with a 6 ghz chip in it. Maybe $ony already started on the PS4 after screwing up the PS3 so bad.
The PS3 actually could be worth $600 with a 6 ghz chip in it. Maybe $ony already started on the PS4 after screwing up the PS3 so bad.
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Re: truth (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» oy
blah blah blah
the PS3 is fine. Shut up and get some of your name
blah blah blah
the PS3 is fine. Shut up and get some of your name
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Re: truth (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» PS
Common Sense
promise me you will still be around next fall when then PS3 begins to roll over he 360.
Don't run and hide k???
You stick around and eat your crow like a man.
Common Sense
promise me you will still be around next fall when then PS3 begins to roll over he 360.
Don't run and hide k???
You stick around and eat your crow like a man.
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Re: Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» the truth hurts, quit hurting yourself
I may still be around then, but the chances of the PS3 "rolling over" the 360 are completely nonexistant, unless you live in Japan that is.
I may still be around then, but the chances of the PS3 "rolling over" the 360 are completely nonexistant, unless you live in Japan that is.
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Re: PS3 bad? (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» pff ya right
I dont care what you say the ps3 is more powerful then the xbox and wii. Simply compare technical specs.
I dont care what you say the ps3 is more powerful then the xbox and wii. Simply compare technical specs.
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Re: ! (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» Gamertag: GOPAL892005
The PS3 maybe more powerfull than the X360 + a lot more than the Wii - but who will utilize this power - it will cost game developers 2 much 2 develop a game just 4 one console (unless its Sony/Microsoft game studios :D) , so in the end, it dont matter which console u go 4, most games will b on both the power hungry machines.
X360 4 me now - PS3 nxt yr (when better games com out + i save up :D)
The PS3 maybe more powerfull than the X360 + a lot more than the Wii - but who will utilize this power - it will cost game developers 2 much 2 develop a game just 4 one console (unless its Sony/Microsoft game studios :D) , so in the end, it dont matter which console u go 4, most games will b on both the power hungry machines.
X360 4 me now - PS3 nxt yr (when better games com out + i save up :D)
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Re: Survival Instincts (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» to: PS3 bad?
"I dont care what you say the ps3 is more powerful then the xbox and wii. Simply compare technical specs."
Yes, the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, but it is only slightly more powerful. Don't look at the specs and think it says everything, because it doesn't. Listen to the developers who understand the specs. Especally, listen to the developers working on both consoles creating games. They say the PS3 is slightly more powerful, FAR less than the specs suggest.
"I dont care what you say the ps3 is more powerful then the xbox and wii. Simply compare technical specs."
Yes, the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, but it is only slightly more powerful. Don't look at the specs and think it says everything, because it doesn't. Listen to the developers who understand the specs. Especally, listen to the developers working on both consoles creating games. They say the PS3 is slightly more powerful, FAR less than the specs suggest.
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Re: Deus7 - 2007-01-04 |
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» ps3 price
although it is a high price to pay for a game console (keep in mind it just came out though) the PS3 costs sony $1600 to produce. so its already worth MORE than $600.
although it is a high price to pay for a game console (keep in mind it just came out though) the PS3 costs sony $1600 to produce. so its already worth MORE than $600.
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Re: Survival Instincts (Unregistered) - 2007-01-05 |
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» ?
Deus7, the PS3 doesn't cost anywhere near $1600 to produce, the real figure is about half of that.
Deus7, the PS3 doesn't cost anywhere near $1600 to produce, the real figure is about half of that.
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by Tom (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» if its for ps3, than that means my lauch one is crap later?
that is not right.
that is not right.
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Re: ABC (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» And that's why it's not going to happen,
at least for games that is.
at least for games that is.
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by ABC (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» The Cell processor is in continuous developement...
...just like other processors, but that doesn't mean it's heading to the PS3.
The PS3 is a console, therefore the processor performance specs will remain unchanged. There's much that can be (and will be) done to reduce cost, reduce heat and increase reliability over the years, but it will still always be a 3.2GHz Cell processor with 7 active SPEs for the PS3.
If Sony choose the unusual step of producing a PS3 model with a higher spec Cell processor and perhaps more memory in future, this will only be used for the purposes of the PS3 acting as a computer, and as a games console, the Cell processor speed will drop back down to 3.2GHz with 512Mb of total memory available for games.
...just like other processors, but that doesn't mean it's heading to the PS3.
The PS3 is a console, therefore the processor performance specs will remain unchanged. There's much that can be (and will be) done to reduce cost, reduce heat and increase reliability over the years, but it will still always be a 3.2GHz Cell processor with 7 active SPEs for the PS3.
If Sony choose the unusual step of producing a PS3 model with a higher spec Cell processor and perhaps more memory in future, this will only be used for the purposes of the PS3 acting as a computer, and as a games console, the Cell processor speed will drop back down to 3.2GHz with 512Mb of total memory available for games.
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Re: ABC (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» And before anyone says anything
"but that doesn't mean it's heading to the PS3."
I know there's a Cell processor in the PS3, I'm talking about a 6Ghz version. :)
"but that doesn't mean it's heading to the PS3."
I know there's a Cell processor in the PS3, I'm talking about a 6Ghz version. :)
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by Regime2008 - 2007-01-03 |
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» .....
u spend a ***** load on a system that is PROVEN to not b as superior as its predecessor, the 360, then imagine how much the ps3 wit a 6ghz processor wud b.....even on 65nm chip.....bet it wud STILL generate lotta heat
u spend a ***** load on a system that is PROVEN to not b as superior as its predecessor, the 360, then imagine how much the ps3 wit a 6ghz processor wud b.....even on 65nm chip.....bet it wud STILL generate lotta heat
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Re: SilentTweak (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» Not Really.
It shouldn't be that hot considering it's running on 1.3V which is considerably LOW for a CPU. 1.3V with good cooling you're probably looking at overall a 200W system at MOST. Probably only generating about 50ºC on load. And maybe add 5 to 10C more for the confined space the PS3 has inside, so still no where near melting point.
It shouldn't be that hot considering it's running on 1.3V which is considerably LOW for a CPU. 1.3V with good cooling you're probably looking at overall a 200W system at MOST. Probably only generating about 50ºC on load. And maybe add 5 to 10C more for the confined space the PS3 has inside, so still no where near melting point.
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Re: Annony - 2007-01-03 |
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» Even with a 6ghz processor...
It'd be an ice-box compared to the X360
It'd be an ice-box compared to the X360
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Re: Regime2008 - 2007-01-04 |
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» ur *****in dumb
it uses up MORE den 200W, almost double 360 power usage.....so stfu noob
it uses up MORE den 200W, almost double 360 power usage.....so stfu noob
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by [BOT] Bob - 2007-01-03 |
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» It will
Its going to the PS3, SCE already stated that they intended to make a 65nm CELL asap and bring it to the playstation for cost saving benefits. Everyone else just hit the other nail on the head, for PS3 software the specs will stay the same, for other applications/operating systems and entirely different devices the sky is the limit.
Its going to the PS3, SCE already stated that they intended to make a 65nm CELL asap and bring it to the playstation for cost saving benefits. Everyone else just hit the other nail on the head, for PS3 software the specs will stay the same, for other applications/operating systems and entirely different devices the sky is the limit.
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by Dragon Quest (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» The system will rule them all Wii360
CELL=CRAP
All the games have slowdown and washed out colors and poor framerate compared to the X360 thats why i have sold mine and now a proud owner of the Wii and X360. The cell is not a gaming processor its more for multimedia like blueray movies
CELL=CRAP
All the games have slowdown and washed out colors and poor framerate compared to the X360 thats why i have sold mine and now a proud owner of the Wii and X360. The cell is not a gaming processor its more for multimedia like blueray movies
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Re: roca (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» ...
i'm skeptic about you having had a ps3
i'm skeptic about you having had a ps3
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Re: Deus7 - 2007-01-04 |
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» "framerate"
i am not saying any system is better than any other, but the reason xbox360 doesnt have slowdown is that they are aparently locked to 30fps, giving you smoother gameplay.
i am not saying any system is better than any other, but the reason xbox360 doesnt have slowdown is that they are aparently locked to 30fps, giving you smoother gameplay.
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by my opinion (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» 360 and Wii sucks, PS3 rules all
My friend bought a 360 and 3 months later he got the lights of doom and had to send it in to get it fixed. The wii is just gay, unless your five or retarded, then you may like it. But the PS3 overpowers them both by a **** load.
My friend bought a 360 and 3 months later he got the lights of doom and had to send it in to get it fixed. The wii is just gay, unless your five or retarded, then you may like it. But the PS3 overpowers them both by a **** load.
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Re: PS3Rider (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» Yeh same
Yeh that happened to about 4 of my mates when they got theirs. And then my other mate tried installin that BC update and it messed up his xbox 360 and now it thinks that its an xbox original sometimes and refuses to play 360 games.
Yeh that happened to about 4 of my mates when they got theirs. And then my other mate tried installin that BC update and it messed up his xbox 360 and now it thinks that its an xbox original sometimes and refuses to play 360 games.
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Re: FanboyHater (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» *Yawn*
The usual "I have a friend who..." BS. Got anymore lies to tell guys?
The usual "I have a friend who..." BS. Got anymore lies to tell guys?
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Re: not my real name (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» Wii and 360 rule but the PS3 is the cream of the crap
Yeah 10 of my "mates" had their PS3 controller catch fire. I read it has the same type of battery as the sony laptops. Shutup fanboys
Yeah 10 of my "mates" had their PS3 controller catch fire. I read it has the same type of battery as the sony laptops. Shutup fanboys
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by yonith (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» i wish it would happen
i don't have a ps3 but from what i hear and read from gamespot, it seems a new proc sure would be nice to improve the low framerates in 1080p. if it would be cheaper to make the 65nm cpu, it would seem odd not to bring a better product to the table. maybe they'd market it as at "ultra edition" or something of the like, where although it may not be mandatory to have the faster proc, it would indeed help framerates.
i don't have a ps3 but from what i hear and read from gamespot, it seems a new proc sure would be nice to improve the low framerates in 1080p. if it would be cheaper to make the 65nm cpu, it would seem odd not to bring a better product to the table. maybe they'd market it as at "ultra edition" or something of the like, where although it may not be mandatory to have the faster proc, it would indeed help framerates.
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by Annony - 2007-01-03 |
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» Realistically...
There's no way in HELL they'd put in a 6ghz into a 2nd line of PS3s:
a) Developers always build games for the weaker version of a console to ensure that everyone can buy and play their games.
b) It's financial suicide. Sony is currently losing $200/PS3 (no fanboyism, it's a fact) because they're 'cutting edge'. Why would they want to upgrade after producing the 3.2ghz becomes more affordable, and PS3s become increasingly profitable for them?
Their best bet is to put the new CELL to use in PCs, HDTVs, and other new technologies.
There's no way in HELL they'd put in a 6ghz into a 2nd line of PS3s:
a) Developers always build games for the weaker version of a console to ensure that everyone can buy and play their games.
b) It's financial suicide. Sony is currently losing $200/PS3 (no fanboyism, it's a fact) because they're 'cutting edge'. Why would they want to upgrade after producing the 3.2ghz becomes more affordable, and PS3s become increasingly profitable for them?
Their best bet is to put the new CELL to use in PCs, HDTVs, and other new technologies.
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by MCP_tz (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» Cell Processor
Cell processor fabrication yield is very low currently, somewhere around 20%. Terrible.
I'd think IBM would drop to 65nm technology to increase yield, add full IEEE floating point to the SPEs, because they've spent over 400 million already they are trying to sell it to the scientific community however it doesn't sell because the cell lacks full IEEE FP. Trash IBM, trash.
"An SPE can operate on 16 8-bit integers, 8 16-bit integers, 4 32-bit integers, or 4 single precision floating-point numbers in a single clock cycle."
Not very parallel only 4 SPFP ops per cc. Why not 128 SIMD processors all capable of doing one DPFP op per cc?
"For double-precision, as used in personal computers, Cell performance drops by an order of magnitude"
Not very powerful. I don't know what IBM is thinking trying to sell it outside of sony's ps3.
When AMD comes out with a real SIMD co-processor with somewhere around 256+ processors each capable of doing one double precision FP op per clock cycle, the cell will seem like a bad idea.
Also, why RAMBUS? PCI-express... come on IBM.
Something cool:
"Recent tests by IBM show that the SPEs can reach 98% of their theoretical peak performance using optimized parallel Matrix Multiplication."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)#Synergistic_Processing_Elements_.28SPE.29
Cell processor fabrication yield is very low currently, somewhere around 20%. Terrible.
I'd think IBM would drop to 65nm technology to increase yield, add full IEEE floating point to the SPEs, because they've spent over 400 million already they are trying to sell it to the scientific community however it doesn't sell because the cell lacks full IEEE FP. Trash IBM, trash.
"An SPE can operate on 16 8-bit integers, 8 16-bit integers, 4 32-bit integers, or 4 single precision floating-point numbers in a single clock cycle."
Not very parallel only 4 SPFP ops per cc. Why not 128 SIMD processors all capable of doing one DPFP op per cc?
"For double-precision, as used in personal computers, Cell performance drops by an order of magnitude"
Not very powerful. I don't know what IBM is thinking trying to sell it outside of sony's ps3.
When AMD comes out with a real SIMD co-processor with somewhere around 256+ processors each capable of doing one double precision FP op per clock cycle, the cell will seem like a bad idea.
Also, why RAMBUS? PCI-express... come on IBM.
Something cool:
"Recent tests by IBM show that the SPEs can reach 98% of their theoretical peak performance using optimized parallel Matrix Multiplication."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)#Synergistic_Processing_Elements_.28SPE.29
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by CeCiL (Unregistered) - 2007-01-03 |
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» Thats more like it...
Best Processor Ever?
The Cell ... Hands down.
It's about time Sony got something right!!! Blu-Ray, The Cell...
6GHz PS3? Not happening... it wouldn't be needed.
An 8 Core 6GHz Computer... now THATS more like it!
Although i hope the do a revision on the PS3 and give it more oomph ... maybe the media-centric PS3???? OOO!!
Best Processor Ever?
The Cell ... Hands down.
It's about time Sony got something right!!! Blu-Ray, The Cell...
6GHz PS3? Not happening... it wouldn't be needed.
An 8 Core 6GHz Computer... now THATS more like it!
Although i hope the do a revision on the PS3 and give it more oomph ... maybe the media-centric PS3???? OOO!!
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by JayD (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» PS4
I'm going to guess that either this is for IBM super computers or the PS4. If it was actually for the PS4 that would be interesting. According to an IBM roadmap Cell should have 32 SPEs by then.
I'm going to guess that either this is for IBM super computers or the PS4. If it was actually for the PS4 that would be interesting. According to an IBM roadmap Cell should have 32 SPEs by then.
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by comedy - 2007-01-04 |
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» meh.
yeah, this upgrade is most likely intended for sony's next gen of high spec av stuff... we all know ps3 won't be upgraded in power terms, it would make sense to put the 65nm cell in ps3s but it wouldnt' change the actual system power.
and don't think that sony are going to make this kind of thing ps4... ridiculous! they'll be aiming way higher than a simple 1.5x cell processor...
nice to see there's still this stupid flame war though
yeah, this upgrade is most likely intended for sony's next gen of high spec av stuff... we all know ps3 won't be upgraded in power terms, it would make sense to put the 65nm cell in ps3s but it wouldnt' change the actual system power.
and don't think that sony are going to make this kind of thing ps4... ridiculous! they'll be aiming way higher than a simple 1.5x cell processor...
nice to see there's still this stupid flame war though
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by Cabogamer-homero (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» aaaaaaa ps3
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by yonith (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» ps3
so u guys think this crap performance in 1080p is something permanent?
so u guys think this crap performance in 1080p is something permanent?
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Re: Ksmooth (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» PS3
I'm not a fanboy of any system because I own them all, but when 360 came out, everybody said the system was crap. I bought one when it was released and played Call of Duty for a year. Xbox is just now making games showing the systems true potential. To me Resistance is like playing Call of duty 2, so in a year or less we will see Sony's power.
I'm not a fanboy of any system because I own them all, but when 360 came out, everybody said the system was crap. I bought one when it was released and played Call of Duty for a year. Xbox is just now making games showing the systems true potential. To me Resistance is like playing Call of duty 2, so in a year or less we will see Sony's power.
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by Angel (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» not fair
If they come out with a 6 GH's one, then I want a refund. I'm not going to be left with the *****-power-consuming ps3, while everyone else has the real ps3. Sure its great now, but what happens when there's a game out that needs 6GH's to run? Then my ps3 is fried, along with the 500 i spent. Not right. Not right at all.
If they come out with a 6 GH's one, then I want a refund. I'm not going to be left with the *****-power-consuming ps3, while everyone else has the real ps3. Sure its great now, but what happens when there's a game out that needs 6GH's to run? Then my ps3 is fried, along with the 500 i spent. Not right. Not right at all.
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by lopp (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» funny
ha ha haa haaaa you guys make me laugh. but seriouly its just a game and it time it iwll past like all the others and you'll forget all about it.
ha ha haa haaaa you guys make me laugh. but seriouly its just a game and it time it iwll past like all the others and you'll forget all about it.
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Re: lopp (Unregistered) - 2007-01-04 |
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» P.S.
P.S. i think you should wait and see all systems in about 2 years before passing judgement also you need to have some experience of playing it otherwise your opinion are just words.
P.S. i think you should wait and see all systems in about 2 years before passing judgement also you need to have some experience of playing it otherwise your opinion are just words.
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by I don't undertsand ; ; (Unregistered) - 2007-01-13 |
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» I don't understand ; ;
Why have this...? ... can we upgrade toa 6Ghz?... that's like upgrading xbox360->HD-DVD, games won't be on HD-DVD ; ; so...w/e... really...lost besides they're saying Ps3 won't win some award? kthxbai...
Why have this...? ... can we upgrade toa 6Ghz?... that's like upgrading xbox360->HD-DVD, games won't be on HD-DVD ; ; so...w/e... really...lost besides they're saying Ps3 won't win some award? kthxbai...
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by Nick (Unregistered) - 2007-01-14 |
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» 6ghz cell
I've heard issue's with how efficient the CELL BDE is. Like issues with being able to access ram once in every 8 cycles (correct me if im wrong). Now i've also heard that the ibm sever class cells dont have this issue (however they don't use custom low latency ram either). So, unless sony is going to fix this issue, why bother making the processer faster unless they plan on revising it so these issue's still don't exist. I'd buy another ps3 if they planned on fixing this issue if they do indeed plan on releaseing a 6ghz revision (highly doubtfull I might add) because it would equate to being well more than twice as powerfull. Also ppc64 architecture is pretty obscure and trying to get linux running with all the goodies is kind of difficult. Too bad running with x86 architecture is a bad idea in the aspect of ease of piracy (xbox), because alot of good comes out of it (my xbox with xbmc runs better than my linuxed ps3 w/ vlc) alright well im rambling, so i'm done.
I've heard issue's with how efficient the CELL BDE is. Like issues with being able to access ram once in every 8 cycles (correct me if im wrong). Now i've also heard that the ibm sever class cells dont have this issue (however they don't use custom low latency ram either). So, unless sony is going to fix this issue, why bother making the processer faster unless they plan on revising it so these issue's still don't exist. I'd buy another ps3 if they planned on fixing this issue if they do indeed plan on releaseing a 6ghz revision (highly doubtfull I might add) because it would equate to being well more than twice as powerfull. Also ppc64 architecture is pretty obscure and trying to get linux running with all the goodies is kind of difficult. Too bad running with x86 architecture is a bad idea in the aspect of ease of piracy (xbox), because alot of good comes out of it (my xbox with xbmc runs better than my linuxed ps3 w/ vlc) alright well im rambling, so i'm done.
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by Sam (Unregistered) - 2007-01-18 |
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» jeez
a 6ghz processor, sounds nice, no ponit if u dont have all the other hardware to go with it though. i mean a nice processor aint gonna make anything any better to look at is it. oh and real gamers play games not consoles.
a 6ghz processor, sounds nice, no ponit if u dont have all the other hardware to go with it though. i mean a nice processor aint gonna make anything any better to look at is it. oh and real gamers play games not consoles.
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